View Full Version : National Dems To Michigan: Screw You
WildCat
1st December 2007, 12:05 PM
From the AP (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD8T8P7I80):
Democratic leaders voted Saturday to strip Michigan of all its delegates to the national convention next year as punishment for scheduling an early presidential primary in violation of party rules.
Of course, Michigan Dems continue to hope that they'll be rewarded for their insolence:
Michigan officials anticipated the action by the Democratic National Committee's rules panel. But Michigan Democratic Chairman Mark Brewer said before the vote that he didn't think the delegates would be lost for good. He expects the nominee will insist the state's delegates be seated at the convention.
I hope the national Dems resist the pressure to seat the Michigan delegates, elections are long enough as it is without this latest idiocy the states are engaging in by pushing the primaries up even further.
Screw 'em.
BPSCG
1st December 2007, 01:07 PM
This just in:New Hampshire to Reschedule 2032 Presidential Primary; Now Set for May 15, 2009
In the latest development in what pundits are calling the "Push to the Front of the Line" primary season, DNC Chair George W. Bush IV announced that the move will result in the de-certification of New Hampshire's delegates this coming Tuesday, and they will not be seated at the national convention, scheduled for July 26-31, 2032.
This leaves only the states of Nebraska, Puerto Rico, Quebec, and Iraq with valid credentials for the nominating convention. Nebraska has the earliest primary in the nation for the 2032 election; it is scheduled for January 2, 2024.
Election day, 2032, will be November 5, 2024.
TragicMonkey
1st December 2007, 02:26 PM
If any candidate were actually running on a platform of "Screw Michigan!", I'd totally vote for him or her.
Unless the opposition was running on "To Hell With New Jersey!" or "Flaming Hellstorm of Nothingness to Nebraska!" I guess I'm an issues voter. Which state should be destroyed the most? I need all the candidates to answer that question before I could decide.
Dorian Gray
1st December 2007, 03:04 PM
I'd vote for someone who promised to build a huge mountain range in Kansas as a make-work project.
Charlie Monoxide
1st December 2007, 03:14 PM
If it's any consolation, Roger Smith just died ....
Charlie(totally non sequitor) Monoxide
TragicMonkey
1st December 2007, 04:05 PM
I'd vote for someone who promised to build a huge mountain range in Kansas as a make-work project.
I think digging up the entire state and turning into an inland sea would be better. That would give all the landlocked states bordering it beaches and stuff. The dirt and rocks removed could be used to build a land bridge to Japan, for tourism.
fuelair
1st December 2007, 05:04 PM
From the AP (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5igrYLRrHG3P6lIbs2E7pSH0bxhvgD8T8P7I80):
Of course, Michigan Dems continue to hope that they'll be rewarded for their insolence:
I hope the national Dems resist the pressure to seat the Michigan delegates, elections are long enough as it is without this latest idiocy the states are engaging in by pushing the primaries up even further.
Screw 'em.
Disagree - I am getting bored with (and have been for a long time - I'm 61) New Hampshire always being the opener. I have nothing against New Hampshire but it is not, say, New York and I really don't think a low population state should have that kind of political effect. Either rotation or a big state or (my favorite) all on the same day.
Puppycow
2nd December 2007, 02:11 AM
I agree that a rotation would be fair.
The Painter
2nd December 2007, 02:47 PM
I agree that a rotation would be fair.
Are you kidding? This is politics, there's nothing fair about it.
Who gives a rat's ass who goes first? Well, I guess all those who want to be first, for reasons unknown to me. I say put it out to bid. Let them buy it. Now that's politics.
Democratic leaders voted Saturday to strip Michigan of all its delegates to the national convention next year as punishment for scheduling an early presidential primary in violation of party rules.
Man those Dems really are Nazis
Beerina
3rd December 2007, 08:26 AM
I'm from Michigan. I'm embarassed about this nonsense my state is trying. Here's what it's about:
Michigan has been suffering badly due to auto jobs moving overseas. The "big 3" are opening factories in Mexico even as they close them here. The UAW has slowed this greatly, for better or for worse, but it still goes on. They've even conceded to a two-tier wage system, where newbies get much lower salaries. This is in the latest negotiations this summer.
So the UAW, who manhandles the Michigan Democrats easily, wants to get their problems at the national (read: presidential) level. Hence advance the state's primaries so they'll have an important early influence on who wins, which is to say, the candidate who loudly kow-tows to UAW issues the most.
The national Democrats want no part of this. They know that "supporting the auto unions" has low national appeal, and is quite possibly a net loser for them. Therefore the UAW's influence on picking the Democratic nominee must be stomped out, fast and hard.
And that's what they did. It's not about stopping the political season from growing. If this benefitted the Democrats, rest assured they'd extend it.
It's about crushing not a proliferation in the length, but rather a proliferation of locally popular but nationally loser issues from gaining national prominence for Democrats, thus assuring a loss at the presidential poll.
dudalb
3rd December 2007, 04:06 PM
Let's just have one National Primary Day and be done with it.
WildCat
3rd December 2007, 04:50 PM
Disagree - I am getting bored with (and have been for a long time - I'm 61) New Hampshire always being the opener. I have nothing against New Hampshire but it is not, say, New York and I really don't think a low population state should have that kind of political effect. Either rotation or a big state or (my favorite) all on the same day.
I'd prefer some sort of regional primaries. Northeast, south, midwest, big square states, west coast. Rotate every 4 years.
GodMark2
3rd December 2007, 05:35 PM
I'd prefer some sort of regional primaries. Northeast, south, midwest, big square states, west coast. Rotate every 4 years.
I'd prefer primaries to be eliminated altogether, and if the Big 2 parties want to run their own polls to determine which candidate they want to promote for the November general election, they can do it with their own money, and not my tax dollars. As I'm registered as neither a Republican nor a Democrat, I'm not allowed to vote in either primary, but my money is being used to pay for the expenses to run those "elections".
As for the Michigan Dem's, they had clear rules laid out for them, and they chose to ignore those rules. They now will reap what they had sown.
ServiceSoon
3rd December 2007, 09:03 PM
Let's just have one National Primary Day and be done with it.Yay, a smart person who can solve disputes.
Darth Rotor
4th December 2007, 08:48 AM
Michigan has been suffering badly due to auto jobs moving overseas. The "big 3" are opening factories in Mexico even as they close them here. The UAW has slowed this greatly, for better or for worse, but it still goes on. They've even conceded to a two-tier wage system, where newbies get much lower salaries. This is in the latest negotiations this summer.
So the UAW, who manhandles the Michigan Democrats easily, wants to get their problems at the national (read: presidential) level. Hence advance the state's primaries so they'll have an important early influence on who wins, which is to say, the candidate who loudly kow-tows to UAW issues the most.
And Ross Perot's "Great Sucking Sound" was laughed at, by some. The big 3 did themselves few favors.
Last guy out of Detroit, please turn off the lights.
DR
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