New Project; Debunking FEMA camps

[BenBurch]

OK, this is for JREFers in the USA.

I have a thought; Lets get together a list of the locations of these supposed FEMA camps, and then visit each one of them that we can and see what is there and take a picture? We could start with getting the satellite imagery for each to see the lay of the land; Some things will wind up being in places you cannot trespass, but some of them will also be places you can visualize from a distance and so photograph.

I don't propose that we get "in the field" before the weather gets nice again, because its not so much a job as a "snipe hunt" and should be a good excuse for touring the countryside. Since we are ALL over, we should be able to each tick off a few "camps" without any difficulty whatsoever.

What do you think? I have ample web hosting for any need.

[T.A.M.]

I am sure this was Spawned by Malmoe's presentation of a letter about PRISON INMATE LABOR CAMPS. How does one make the gigantic logical leap from these camps to "They will be used by FEMA to house civilians during martial law".

JHC.

TAM:)

[Gravy]

Just check the "Fema Camp" videos on YouTube. They show things like train stations and defunct military bases. Basically, anything with a chain-link fence qualifies. Not a Chinese guillotine in sight.

[BenBurch]

And a labor camp, as Herr Himmler's example shows, has to be right next to an INDUSTRY.

[BenBurch]

Just check the "Fema Camp" videos on YouTube. They show things like train stations and defunct military bases. Basically, anything with a chain-link fence qualifies. Not a Chinese guillotine in sight.

I never think to look there... I'm not a visual person. I never watch television. Looking...

[DGM]

I never think to look there... I'm not a visual person. I never watch television. Looking...
Ben;
Any "good" (for lack of better word) sites to look these up on?

[Gravy]

I never think to look there... I'm not a visual person. I never watch television. Looking...Your name isn't Area Man (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694), is it? :biggrin:

[Gravy]

Ben;
Any "good" (for lack of better word) sites to look these up on?

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=fema+death+camp&search=Search

[BenBurch]

Your name isn't Area Man (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694), is it? :biggrin:

LOL! I own FIVE TV sets! I used to work in Zenith's Advance R&D group. But I'd rather slit a wrist than watch TV for any length of time.

[Brainster]

Just check the "Fema Camp" videos on YouTube. They show things like train stations and defunct military bases. Basically, anything with a chain-link fence qualifies. Not a Chinese guillotine in sight.

James B found out that what they are hyperventilating about turn out to be Chinese guillotine presses (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3000-MINIMUM-PART-EX-NEW-115-PROGRAMMATIC-GUILLOTINE_W0QQitemZ270158946678QQihZ017QQcategory Z26244QQcmdZViewItem), which he pointed out bear the same resemblance to a guillotine as a wolf spider bears to a wolf.

[Swing Dangler]

You might want to wait before visiting the camps...I think Halliburton has to construct them first.

Halliburton subsidiary "KBR has been awarded a contract announced by the Department of Homeland Security’s United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component. The Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contingency contract is to support ICE facilities and has a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term. The contract provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the United States, or to support the rapid development of new programs". Source-Cheneyburton (http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/corpnws_012606.pdf)

Feel free to read about the Army Regulation 210-35 discussing Civilian Inmate Labor Programs here. (http://libertyforlife.com/jail-police/concentration_camp_army_regulation_21035.htm)

Congressman Bill Hefner apparently confirms these camps....here. (http://libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration-camps-Congressman-Bill-Hefner.htm)

Take it all with a grain of salt before arriving at your own conclusion. I do agree a cross country FEMA prison camp tour would be a nice vacation.;)

[BenBurch]

James B found out that what they are hyperventilating about turn out to be Chinese guillotine presses (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3000-MINIMUM-PART-EX-NEW-115-PROGRAMMATIC-GUILLOTINE_W0QQitemZ270158946678QQihZ017QQcategory Z26244QQcmdZViewItem), which he pointed out bear the same resemblance to a guillotine as a wolf spider bears to a wolf.

I'd still not stick my head in one! ;)

[BenBurch]

Hahaha! Another KBR grab for money with no deliverables? If you haven't figured out Killthem, Burn and Loot yet, Swangler, you need some schooling!

[~enigma~]

You might want to wait before visiting the camps...I think Halliburton has to construct them first.

Halliburton subsidiary "KBR has been awarded a contract announced by the Department of Homeland Security’s United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component. The Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contingency contract is to support ICE facilities and has a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term. The contract provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the United States, or to support the rapid development of new programs". Source-Cheneyburton (http://www.halliburton.com/default/main/halliburton/eng/news/source_files/press_release/2006/corpnws_012606.pdf)

Feel free to read about the Army Regulation 210-35 discussing Civilian Inmate Labor Programs here. (http://libertyforlife.com/jail-police/concentration_camp_army_regulation_21035.htm)

Congressman Bill Hefner apparently confirms these camps....here. (http://libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration-camps-Congressman-Bill-Hefner.htm)

Take it all with a grain of salt before arriving at your own conclusion. I do agree a cross country FEMA prison camp tour would be a nice vacation.;)
So they haven't been built yet? Then how come some people are making the idiotic leap in logic that these will be death camps ala Auschwitz? Personally, i believe anyone who believes in death camps is full of guano.

[Gravy]

James B found out that what they are hyperventilating about turn out to be Chinese guillotine presses (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3000-MINIMUM-PART-EX-NEW-115-PROGRAMMATIC-GUILLOTINE_W0QQitemZ270158946678QQihZ017QQcategory Z26244QQcmdZViewItem), which he pointed out bear the same resemblance to a guillotine as a wolf spider bears to a wolf.Paper cutters, actually. I used to sell them. I didn't just become evil when I signed up here, you know.

[Swing Dangler]

So they haven't been built yet? Then how come some people are making the idiotic leap in logic that these will be death camps ala Auschwitz? Personally, i believe anyone who believes in death camps is full of guano.

Well at least Hali hasn't built their fair share or they may have...:confused:
But Hali's are temporary, which might suggest to some the othe rcamps are already in place.

Why the leap in logic? Apparently some people feel like there are already camps in place or facilities in place to be used to harvest the sheeple.

[Dave Rogers]

Congressman Bill Hefner apparently confirms these camps....here. (http://libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us-concentration-camps-Congressman-Bill-Hefner.htm)

That's a covering letter that says there is a policy, and I've seen it cited on quite a few sites. Surprisingly, none of them contain the actual information that Hefner forwarded with the letter. Could that perhaps be because the policy, on closer inspection, is something completely innocent that would blow the conspiracy theory out of the water, and the conspiracy theorists are just cherry-picking the covering letter because it implies something underhand?

"Apparently confirms" doesn't cut it.

Dave

[Stellafane]

OK, this is for JREFers in the USA.

I have a thought; Lets get together a list of the locations of these supposed FEMA camps, and then visit each one of them that we can and see what is there and take a picture? We could start with getting the satellite imagery for each to see the lay of the land; Some things will wind up being in places you cannot trespass, but some of them will also be places you can visualize from a distance and so photograph.

I don't propose that we get "in the field" before the weather gets nice again, because its not so much a job as a "snipe hunt" and should be a good excuse for touring the countryside. Since we are ALL over, we should be able to each tick off a few "camps" without any difficulty whatsoever.

What do you think? I have ample web hosting for any need.

I like it. Any in or near Vermont? I'd be happy to stop by and check them out, it'll be worth a laugh or two. (And if you never hear from me again, you can all contact Dylan Avery and beg his forgiveness.)

[T.A.M.]

Dear Lord, god, heaven and earth, joseph and mary!!!!!

THERE ARE NO FEMA PRISON/DEATH CAMPS!!!

I am so GD tired of the truther paranoia....******* INSANE!!!!

TAM

[uk_dave]

Dear Lord, god, heaven and earth, joseph and mary!!!!!

THERE ARE NO FEMA PRISON/DEATH CAMPS!!!

I am so GD tired of the truther paranoia....******* INSANE!!!!

TAM

Yeah well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

I wanna know where's my fema death camp? I mean, the US can't have all the fun on it's own because, despite what 'truthers' appear to believe, there's a big ol' world out there and we're not going to sit by and let you guys have all the fun playing with your cattle trucks and your concentration camps. Hell, if we can't have some of that for ourselves we might just start to pull all investment out of the US and maybe even impose trade sanctions until you agree to play nice and share.

[twinstead]

Yeah well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

I wanna know where's my fema death camp? I mean, the US can't have all the fun on it's own because, despite what 'truthers' appear to believe, there's a big ol' world out there and we're not going to sit by and let you guys have all the fun playing with your cattle trucks and your concentration camps. Hell, if we can't have some of that for ourselves we might just start to pull all investment out of the US and maybe even impose trade sanctions until you agree to play nice and share.

You're just jealous of our freedoms, that's why you hate us.

[dudalb]

Latest Varitation on the "Government is building Concentration Camps" rumors that started in the late 60's.
And Swing brings evidence that proves nothing,as usual.

[~enigma~]

Well at least Hali hasn't built their fair share or they may have...:confused:
But Hali's are temporary, which might suggest to some the othe rcamps are already in place.

Why the leap in logic? Apparently some people feel like there are already camps in place or facilities in place to be used to harvest the sheeple.
You misunderstood what I mean by leap in logic, at least the subject of the leap. Why the leap that they are death camps?

[DGM]

State by state list of sites:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm

MASSACHUSETTS
Camp Edwards / Otis AFB - Cape Cod - This "inactive" base is being
converted to hold many New Englander patriots. Capacity unknown. Ft. Devens
- Active detention facility. More data needed.


Otis was part of 9/11 OMG it's got to be true.:rolleyes:

[Swing Dangler]

That's a covering letter that says there is a policy, and I've seen it cited on quite a few sites. Surprisingly, none of them contain the actual information that Hefner forwarded with the letter. Could that perhaps be because the policy, on closer inspection, is something completely innocent that would blow the conspiracy theory out of the water, and the conspiracy theorists are just cherry-picking the covering letter because it implies something underhand?

"Apparently confirms" doesn't cut it.

Dave

Good point...it confirms the policy I suppose.

MASSACHUSETTS
Camp Edwards / Otis AFB - Cape Cod - This "inactive" base is being
converted to hold many New Englander patriots. Capacity unknown. Ft. Devens
- Active detention facility. More data needed.

Maybe that is why Bill cheated, to keep his team out of the death camps.

dudalb Latest Varitation on the "Government is building Concentration Camps" rumors that started in the late 60's
Source?

~enigma~You misunderstood what I mean by leap in logic, at least the subject of the leap. Why the leap that they are death camps?

Alex Jones and his fear industry? Heck I have no idea. I would buy into the inmate labor camps....of course to do the jobs illegal immigrant workers don't want to do.

[Hellbound]

Army Regulation 210-35 (http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r210_35.pdf).

That's the actual army regulation from the Army Publishing Directorate.

A few choice quotes:
Sources of civilian inmate labor are limited to on— and off—post Federal corrections facilities, State and/or local corrections facilities operating from on—post prison camps pursuant to leases under Section 2667, Title 10, United States Code (10 USC 2667), and off—post State corrections facilities participating in the demonstration project authorized under Section 1065, Public Law (PL) 103—337. Otherwise, State and/or local inmate labor from off—post corrections facilities is currently excluded from this program.



b.
Except for the 3 exceptions listed in paragraph 2–1d below, installation civilian inmate labor programs may use
civilian inmate labor only from Federal corrections facilities located either off or on the installation




d. However, there are 3 exceptions to using State or local civilian inmate labor from off–post corrections facilities—
(1) Section 1065, PL 103–337, allows the Army to conduct a demonstration project. This demonstration project tests
the feasibility of providing prerelease employment training to nonviolent offenders in a State corrections facility. The
demonstration project is limited to 3 Army installations. The 3 Army installations participating in the demonstration
project may use inmates from an off–post State corrections facility.
(2) Army National Guard units leasing facilities from the Army or occupying State–owned land or facilities may use
inmates from an off–post State and/or local corrections facility.
(3) The prohibition against use of State and/or local civilian inmate labor from off–post corrections facilities does
not apply to Civil Works projects where the Army has statutory authority to accept voluntary contributions in the form
of services from State or local governments. If contributed, inmate services are combined with materials or services
paid for with Federally appropriated funds; the use of civilian inmate labor must also comply with the provisions of EO
11755. The use of civilian inmate labor under these exceptions must still comply with the requirements of this
regulation.




When you actually read this, instead of accepting the first bit of CTer nonsense you come across without actually looking at the source (and I find it telling that your source does NOT list a link to the actual regulation), this is nothing sinister at all. In fact, one of these programs operates at a local National Guard base here...they run a camp for juvenile delinquents, sort fo a labor/basic training cross type thing. Been a good program, too...they do a lot of the facilities maintenance and yard work, and they get a bit of discipline instilled.

It's a Swing and a miss!

[In My Spare Time]

Halliburton subsidiary "KBR has been awarded a contract announced by the Department of Homeland Security’s United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component. The Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity contingency contract is to support ICE facilities and has a maximum total value of $385 million over a five year term. The contract provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the United States, or to support the rapid development of new programs".

You are aware that there's a fair amount of political time and effort being spent on illegal immigration issues, right? And that there's been a fair amount of legislation proposed about potentially ramping up inforcement with new immigration programs, right?
To make the leap that immigration enforement, regardless of how you feel about that policy, converts to death camps is...well rather paranoid at least.


Also, has anyone taken the time to try to list these supposed sites yet? If there are any in Western Washington I'd be happy to take a peek when I get a chance.

ETA: Thanks, DGM. Missed your list first time 'round

[BenBurch]

...
I wanna know where's my fema death camp? ...

I believe they call yours Nottinghamshire.

[jhunter1163]

Some of the sites on that list are just noted as "FEMA detention site" with no further info at all. It also looks like there are some federal prisons on there, as well as a couple of military bases. I suppose bases have brigs which could be used to detain people. But to detain the number of people they're talking about, wouldn't you need some pretty big facilities?

[afinemadness]

State by state list of sites:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm



Otis was part of 9/11 OMG it's got to be true.:rolleyes:

I was just wondering since Ft Dix is on the list does this mean the 6 guys that they picked up for planning to blow it up were actually patriots?

[In My Spare Time]

WASHINGTON
Seattle/Tacoma - SeaTac Airport: fully operational federal transfer center
Okanogan County - Borders Canada and is a site for a massive concentration
camp capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people for slave labor.
This is probably one of the locations that will be used to hold hard core
patriots who will be held captive for the rest of their lives.
Sand Point Naval Station - Seattle - FEMA detention center used actively
during the 1999 WTO protests to classify prisoners.
Ft. Lewis / McChord AFB - near Tacoma - This is one of several sites that
may be used to ship prisoners overseas for slave labor.
Seatac: is a major commercial airport. The biggest one in the Northwest. Good security, lots of upgrades going on and no free wireless:mad:. Not exacly FEMA camp material.


Okanogan County: the entire county?!? For those not familiar with it, Okanogan county is indeed huge and bordering Canada. It is home to a mountain range, the giant Okanogan national forest and part of the Okanogan reservation. Beautiful area.


Sand Point Naval Station: (actually Sand Point Naval Air Station) is in Seattle. It is a tiny space surrounded by Magnusson Park, where I frequently play frisbee. It's possible it was used during the 1999 riots in Seattle, since it is government property not far from downtown and there were numerous arrests. Those riots were huge and dangerous. Completely out of control. As for FEMA camp use, totally unrealistic. Too small. I'm nearly certain there's no housing facilities there even, and an ariel view seems to confirm that. Fort Lawton in the Magnolia neighborhood would be far more realistic parinoia.


Fort Lewis: They say this would be used to ship prisioners overseas. Fort Lewis has 1 (one) dock. It looks like a fishing pier. Like with Sand Point above, there are other military facilities nearby that make more sense for this parinoia. The Bremerton ship yard, Keyport engineering station and Bangor Sub Base all jump to mind. ETA: Whoops! Fort Lewis has a second, much larger dock. It is in American Lake. No ocean access.

[Plantfoam]

There is a death camp right down the road from me in Flint, Michigan. It is a really big one too, so I win the contest. I guess.

It has all of the features of the youtube FEMA camps....turnstiles, barbed wire, huge HVAC units, cameras everywhere, radio towers, and a huge warehouse with train tracks conveniently running THROUGH the building.

Currently, it is disguised as "GM Truck and Bus Assembly". I have heard that the poor people inside conduct manual labor for a substandard wage of $38 an hour.

[Gravy]

Okanogan County: the entire county?!? For those not familiar with it, Okanogan county is indeed huge and bordering Canada. Okanogan is the third largest county in the continental U.S. It took me three days to walk across it. You could fit a lot of people there, but you'd have to build enormous secure facilities in the forested mountains. I say, save the money and kill those people.

[funk de fino]

Well at least Hali hasn't built their fair share or they may have...:confused:
But Hali's are temporary, which might suggest to some the othe rcamps are already in place.

Why the leap in logic? Apparently some people feel like there are already camps in place or facilities in place to be used to harvest the sheeple.

Source - From 2006 and Hali no longer own KBR - unlucky

I would say its more a leap in stupidity.

[The Silver Shadow]

I remember seeing a video of a "FEMA death camp" with revolving doors! I'm not kidding, revolving doors! Can anyone find that since I forgot where this place was, and I think Alex Jones was doing something on it (But don't hold me to it that it was Alex Jones)

[dudalb]

I remember this exact same crap during the Clinton Administration.
Fact is, a lot of the truthers garbage is just recycled from Conspiracy crap that has been around for a long time.

[BenBurch]

This is supposed to be one of them, Rt 17 and Main in Kankakee, IL;

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=route+17+and+Main,+Kankakee,+IL&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.841773,89.472656&ie=UTF8&ll=41.119897,-87.897416&spn=0.006078,0.010922&t=h&z=17&om=1

Typical midwestern brownfield site. Looks like 1000 others like it. Near rail, of course, they all were and as advertised it has a water tower, another big surprise! The copyright on Google's Imagry is 2007.

Yeah right, like I am supposed to believe this? Give me some time with Google Earth and I'll have you a hundred "camps" just like this one.

According to denizens of "Eddie's Bar & Grill" where I just telephoned, it is the shuttered GMB plant.

[jaydeehess]

If one wants a swim in the pool of FEMA death camp woo
http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-52567.html

11th post on page 7 By LCPL-QUIK
After having gone over my past posts, it seems some information is missing or lacking.

This thread is here to present the fact that OUR government has and IS creating prisons, 'confinement' areas/concentration camps, and detention facilities. All of which have been mildly top secret for almost 2 decades.

I was a Level 1 to Level 6 Federal Correctional Specialist. Marine Corps trained and certified. I had a 'Q' clearance and an 'Eyes Only' sidebar. Essentially it means I had a clearance 'outside' the norm. I was able to view pertinent information without the normal restrictions of clearance due to my job.

This means of clearance allowed me to view several venues of information, which led me to 'SEE' certain projects and situational events during my time in the Corps.

I was researching the Federal Correctional System in the SecNav computer I had access to. With my clearance, I was able to view, project requests and work order requests ALL over the country, relating to prisons being built by civilian contractors.

[BenBurch]

I couldn't even begin to go to many of these places as the description of the location is so vague that no matter where I went, the idjits could tell me I was in the wrong place. Like the one for Marseilles, IL. off I 80 along I 6 in Marseilles. Well, 80 passes about 2 miles north of 80, and never intersects 6 in Marseilles. Along the river there are a lot of industrial sites; This was also along the old Illinois and Michigan Canal, and was one of the earliest areas served by Rock Island Line (dooming the Canal.) So, there are abandoned things everywhere. The Industrial Midwest is full of the rotting hulks of heavy industry.

[Reality Believer]

I think locating the death camps is as easy as driving down the street and looking for the sign. My neighbor, who spent time in one said, "It was absolute hell."

Here is the sign, I think it stands for Kill Our Americans:

[BenBurch]

BTW, in Illinois (and this will make you cringe) "Marseilles" is pronounced mär-sālz.

[Alareth]

What about the secret coded markings on highway signs to guide prisoner transports to their destinations?

I no longer have any links to supporting woo sites, but it was a "popular" theory for around 15 minutes.

[BenBurch]

I have a secret mark on my door that stray animals put there that says "no sales resistance."

[jhunter1163]

Seatac: is a major commercial airport. The biggest one in the Northwest. Good security, lots of upgrades going on and no free wireless:mad:. Not exacly FEMA camp material.


Okanogan County: the entire county?!? For those not familiar with it, Okanogan county is indeed huge and bordering Canada. It is home to a mountain range, the giant Okanogan national forest and part of the Okanogan reservation. Beautiful area.


Sand Point Naval Station: (actually Sand Point Naval Air Station) is in Seattle. It is a tiny space surrounded by Magnusson Park, where I frequently play frisbee. It's possible it was used during the 1999 riots in Seattle, since it is government property not far from downtown and there were numerous arrests. Those riots were huge and dangerous. Completely out of control. As for FEMA camp use, totally unrealistic. Too small. I'm nearly certain there's no housing facilities there even, and an ariel view seems to confirm that. Fort Lawton in the Magnolia neighborhood would be far more realistic parinoia.


Fort Lewis: They say this would be used to ship prisioners overseas. Fort Lewis has 1 (one) dock. It looks like a fishing pier. Like with Sand Point above, there are other military facilities nearby that make more sense for this parinoia. The Bremerton ship yard, Keyport engineering station and Bangor Sub Base all jump to mind. ETA: Whoops! Fort Lewis has a second, much larger dock. It is in American Lake. No ocean access.

I grew up in Spokane, so I'm more than passingly familiar with the Okanogan. I'm not exactly sure what the detainees would do out there, since the number-one industry in Omak is taking bottles back to the store, but I guess that's for the NWO to figure out.

[In My Spare Time]

I grew up in Spokane, so I'm more than passingly familiar with the Okanogan. I'm not exactly sure what the detainees would do out there, since the number-one industry in Omak is taking bottles back to the store, but I guess that's for the NWO to figure out.

The number 2 industry is living elsewhere. There's only 35K people in the county.

[BenBurch]

The number 2 industry is living elsewhere. There's only 35K people in the county.

If you claim your camps are not in the middle of nowhere, you are easily debunked, as in the Kankakee case.

[Gravy]

If you claim your camps are not in the middle of nowhere, you are easily debunked, as in the Kankakee case.Here is the Shadow Gravy in Okanogan County, searching for FEMA concentration camp entrances. They must have been well-hidden.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/shadowwalk.jpg

[R.Mackey]

Okanogan is the third largest county in the continental U.S. It took me three days to walk across it. You could fit a lot of people there, but you'd have to build enormous secure facilities in the forested mountains. I say, save the money and kill those people.

I'm reasonably certain that San Bernardino (California), Coconino (Arizona), and Nye (Nevada) Counties are numbers 1 through 3 in terms of area. However, none of this changes the fact that Okanogan is also enormous. Or that it would be a totally ridculous place for a "FEMA Camp." Or that the whole idea of FEMA Camps is utterly barking mad.

Think about it -- imagine the fuel you would need, just the fuel, to move vast numbers of people to that location. Assuming the roads or rails existed. Or that you had a place to put them. Or housing for the guards. Etc. Logistically, it makes no sense at all.

Wake up, paranoiacs: The mythical NWO that you fantasize about would not be stupid. Anyone dumb enough to make such a poor facility decision as this could not possibly hope to dominate the human race.

[Gravy]

I'm reasonably certain that San Bernardino (California), Coconino (Arizona), and Nye (Nevada) Counties are numbers 1 through 3 in terms of area.Thanks for the correction. I had gotten that info from Okanogan County's website (http://www.okanogancounty.org/Local.htm), but looking at a U.S. county map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_USA_with_county_outlines.png), it might only be in the top 50 or 60 largest counties in the contiguous 48 states. Serves me right for not being geographically skeptical. I dashed them off a correction.

[Reality Believer]

As long as we are scouting locations, I recommend Death Valley. Several favorable attributes:
Has "Death" in the name
Government Owned
Remote
Really big
Really hot
Really low
Hungry coyotes
Charles Manson lived there
Only visited by French and German tourists in the summer.The perfect place.

[Hellbound]

Ohh, I like!

"Death Valley Area Detention and Re-Education Center"
Also Known as
"The D-VADR Center"

*Insert heavy breathing sounds*

Luke, *gasp* I'm you're father!

[R.Mackey]

Thanks for the correction. I had gotten that info from Okanogan County's website (http://www.okanogancounty.org/Local.htm), but looking at a U.S. county map (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_USA_with_county_outlines.png), it might only be in the top 50 or 60 largest counties in the contiguous 48 states. Serves me right for not being geographically skeptical. I dashed them off a correction.

Doesn't surprise me. I've also "heard" from Washington State tourist literature that Mt. Ranier is the highest peak in the Lower 48. I guess they never heard of Whitney, Elbert, or Massive... :D

ETA: Or Harvard. I haven't been on that one, so I keep forgetting.

[Gravy]

Ohh, I like!

"Death Valley Area Detention and Re-Education Center"
Also Known as
"The D-VADR Center"

*Insert heavy breathing sounds*

Luke, *gasp* I'm you're father!Outstanding. Better get that trademarked.

[Reality Believer]

Ohh, I like!

"Death Valley Area Detention and Re-Education Center"
Also Known as
"The D-VADR Center"

*Insert heavy breathing sounds*

Luke, *gasp* I'm you're father!
Nice!
Here is a promotional video I put together on my last trip out there.
punPxZsq2VI

[Gravy]

Doesn't surprise me. I've also "heard" from Washington State tourist literature that Mt. Ranier is the highest peak in the Lower 48. I guess they never heard of Whitney, Elbert, or Massive... :D

ETA: Or Harvard. I haven't been on that one, so I keep forgetting.In Colorado, Elbert, Massive, and Harvard are 1,2,3. I climbed Elbert and Harvard on the same walk in which the photo above was taken. I remember these tiny, brilliant blue flowers poking through the ice in places at the summits. I couldn't believe anything so delicate and pretty could live in such a harsh environment.

[BenBurch]

As long as we are scouting locations, I recommend Death Valley. ...

And the rocks move by themselves;

http://www.billandcori.com/deathvalley/images/mr_1.jpg

[Gravy]

And the rocks move by themselves;Sneaky bastards. They'll need to be tracked with RFID chips. I know just the man (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100189) for the job.

[JamesB]

Here is the Shadow Gravy in Okanogan County, searching for FEMA concentration camp entrances. They must have been well-hidden.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/shadowwalk.jpg

I used to go to Boy Scout camp in Okanogan County.

Hey, wait a minute....

[Reality Believer]

And the rocks move by themselves;

http://www.billandcori.com/deathvalley/images/mr_1.jpg
Oh yes, the Racetrack. Been there. The (space) aliens have a nice lemonade stand set up for refreshments while they demonstrate their technique.

[JamesB]

Sand Point Naval Station: (actually Sand Point Naval Air Station) is in Seattle. It is a tiny space surrounded by Magnusson Park, where I frequently play frisbee. It's possible it was used during the 1999 riots in Seattle, since it is government property not far from downtown and there were numerous arrests. Those riots were huge and dangerous. Completely out of control. As for FEMA camp use, totally unrealistic. Too small. I'm nearly certain there's no housing facilities there even, and an ariel view seems to confirm that. Fort Lawton in the Magnolia neighborhood would be far more realistic parinoia.


Sandpoint would definitely win for the nicest concentration camp. I want to be stationed there when I get my NWO death camp guard assignment. :degrin:

http://www.sandpointcc.com/sites/images/350/hole18aerial.jpg

[R.Mackey]

In Colorado, Elbert, Massive, and Harvard are 1,2,3. I climbed Elbert and Harvard on the same walk in which the photo above was taken. I remember these tiny, brilliant blue flowers poking through the ice in places at the summits. I couldn't believe anything so delicate and pretty could live in such a harsh environment.

Yup. Life is hard to kill.

Many of my ancestors were hard rock miners and merchants in Leadville, Colorado. I've been back there several times, including last year. Massive and Elbert dominate the view from the town, but Harvard, not so much, which is probably why I always forget about it.

Here's a view from last summer, when I climbed Massive:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_919347562e176d224.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9582)

This is looking west from the ridge at Mosquito Lakes, just under a kilometer below.

And so chillzero doesn't hurt me, let me also add that while I was hiking up there, I thought about what a terrible place for a FEMA Camp that summit would make. ;) Or anywhere in the rugged lands westward, for that matter. One might be tempted to herd people into the Climax Mine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climax%2C_Colorado), perhaps, but I think somebody would notice the population of the town suddenly booming a hundred fold just to man the stockades...

[Gravy]

Yup. Life is hard to kill.

Many of my ancestors were hard rock miners and merchants in Leadville, Colorado. I've been back there several times, including last year. Oh, Leadville rocks! (Pun intended.) I have a photo of miners hand-drilling by candlelight from the museum there. When I strolled into town (after walking there from South Carolina) the first two people I met asked me if I was there for the run. They were talking about the Leadville 100-mile run. Leadville, at 10,200 feet (IIRC), is the starting point, and the run mostly goes up from there. Maybe there should be a FEMA camp there: those people are nuts. You're from hardy stock, R. Mackey!

[R.Mackey]

Oh, Leadville rocks! (Pun intended.) I have a photo of miners hand-drilling by candlelight from the museum there. When I strolled into town (after walking there from South Carolina) the first two people I met asked me if I was there for the run. They were talking about the Leadville 100-mile run. Leadville, at 10,200 feet (IIRC), is the starting point, and the run mostly goes up from there. Maybe there should be a FEMA camp there: those people are nuts. You're from hardy stock, R. Mackey!


A good portion of the material in the Mining Museum was ... ah, "appropriated" from the hills by my great-uncle Murrill.

Interesting guy, he was. "Nuts" barely scratches the surface. If I ever catch up with you in NYC, I could tell you about adventures with dynamite... got to love those mining towns.

And so I don't anger the Off-Topic Furies, let me also remark that Manhattan would seem to be a far better place for a FEMA Camp. I mean, haven't these people ever seen "Escape from New York?"

[TjW]

I'm reasonably certain that San Bernardino (California), Coconino (Arizona), and Nye (Nevada) Counties are numbers 1 through 3 in terms of area. However, none of this changes the fact that Okanogan is also enormous. Or that it would be a totally ridculous place for a "FEMA Camp." Or that the whole idea of FEMA Camps is utterly barking mad.

Think about it -- imagine the fuel you would need, just the fuel, to move vast numbers of people to that location. Assuming the roads or rails existed. Or that you had a place to put them. Or housing for the guards. Etc. Logistically, it makes no sense at all.

Wake up, paranoiacs: The mythical NWO that you fantasize about would not be stupid. Anyone dumb enough to make such a poor facility decision as this could not possibly hope to dominate the human race.

You just don't have the right point of view:
Needing all that fuel is why they have to go to war for oil! OMG! It's all starting to make sense!

[Alareth]

Sandpoint would definitely win for the nicest concentration camp. I want to be stationed there when I get my NWO death camp guard assignment. :degrin:

http://www.sandpointcc.com/sites/images/350/hole18aerial.jpg (http://www.sandpointcc.com/sites/images/350/hole18aerial.jpg)


Why yes, the U.S. Navy is VERY proud of it's golf courses. Really.

[Dave Rogers]

Army Regulation 210-35 (http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r210_35.pdf).

When you actually read this, instead of accepting the first bit of CTer nonsense you come across without actually looking at the source (and I find it telling that your source does NOT list a link to the actual regulation), this is nothing sinister at all. In fact, one of these programs operates at a local National Guard base here...they run a camp for juvenile delinquents, sort fo a labor/basic training cross type thing. Been a good program, too...they do a lot of the facilities maintenance and yard work, and they get a bit of discipline instilled.



What I find interesting is this:
I took a look at the covering letter and immediately thought "This looks like a program for using Army facilities for the incarceration and labour of convicts." When I found the actual policy, it turned out I was right, but I wanted to check just to make sure because I'm prepared to believe I might be wrong. The conspiracy theorist thinks, "This looks like a program for imprisoning everybody in labour camps under martial law", and he doesn't need to look for the actual policy because he's certain he's right. And that's why, I think, so many CT'ers keep posting links that utterly refute their arguments; they're so convinced they're right that they don't think they need to actually read their sources.

Dave

[timhau]

What about the secret coded markings on highway signs to guide prisoner transports to their destinations?

I no longer have any links to supporting woo sites, but it was a "popular" theory for around 15 minutes.

The theory is no less true today. (http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com/index.html) You just can't find the evidence anywhere, because the NWO switched the internet off to erase it all.

[timhau]

Damn it.

OK, so which one of you NWO Internet Cleanup Squad bozos missed this site (http://earthevolution.blogspot.com/2007/02/tackamarks.html)? Or this one (http://www.pbn.4mg.com/tacmars.html)? Wasn't the idea to get zero hits upon googling "tackamarks"?

[chillzero]

And so chillzero doesn't hurt me, let me also add that while I was hiking up there, I thought about what a terrible place for a FEMA Camp that summit would make. ;) Or anywhere in the rugged lands westward, for that matter. One might be tempted to herd people into the Climax Mine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climax%2C_Colorado), perhaps, but I think somebody would notice the population of the town suddenly booming a hundred fold just to man the stockades...

:cool:

Maybe some people would be thrilled to be told they were going to Climax. :boxedin:

[leftysergeant]

I've already personally checked out the one that shows up on Google Earth at 47*07'01.83"N 122"37'26.11*W. You do not want to be incarcerated there. Right next to the road and the cold wind comes a honkin' in off Puget Sound. And it rains there. Stand in one place too long, and stachybotris grows all over you. Blood dreadful weather, year round. People coming up from California find it too dark and dpressing most of the year.

It was obviously selected for the rail lines that run right through it, and the old disused warehouses.

[HawksFan]

What? Not a single one in Iowa? I'm getting ripped off.

Oh well, my backyard is fenced in. Perhaps I can get that registered as a camp.

Woo hoo! First one on my block to be Kommandant of my very own FEMA death camp! :D

[Hellbound]

Hawksfan:

I thought Iowa was already a concentration camp...I don't know anyone who's ever escaped alive...

;)

[Stellafane]

I'm pretty sure my town is a death camp. Sooner or later everyone who lives here dies!

[BenBurch]

Key West, in fact the whole of the Keys, would make a great FEMA camp. Only one road (suspiciously called US 1) goes there.

[Stellafane]

Just checked the list, no camps in Vermont. There is one in Lake Francis (http://travel.yahoo.com/p-parks-217183-lake_francis_state_park-i) in the very northern tip of New Hampshire, though. Since the average winter temp up there is a balmy 19 degrees F, I think I'll wait until spring to check things out. If it turns out there really is a FEMA camp there, I hope that's the one they send me to, so I can spend all day fishing for salmon in the lake. (As they say, one man's death camp is another man's dream vacation.)

[BenBurch]

I've already personally checked out the one that shows up on Google Earth at 47*07'01.83"N 122"37'26.11*W. You do not want to be incarcerated there. Right next to the road and the cold wind comes a honkin' in off Puget Sound. And it rains there. Stand in one place too long, and stachybotris grows all over you. Blood dreadful weather, year round. People coming up from California find it too dark and dpressing most of the year.

It was obviously selected for the rail lines that run right through it, and the old disused warehouses.

If I converted the DMS to fractions right; here that is;

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=47.117175+N+122.623919+W&ie=UTF8&ll=47.117161,-122.623901&spn=0.043923,0.087376&t=h&z=14&iwloc=addr&om=1

[Sabrina]

Fort Lewis: They say this would be used to ship prisioners overseas. Fort Lewis has 1 (one) dock. It looks like a fishing pier. Like with Sand Point above, there are other military facilities nearby that make more sense for this parinoia. The Bremerton ship yard, Keyport engineering station and Bangor Sub Base all jump to mind. ETA: Whoops! Fort Lewis has a second, much larger dock. It is in American Lake. No ocean access.

I've been to Fort Lewis, both before and after I was in the military (had to go there as a cadet for what was then called Advanced Camp and is now called Basic Officer Leadership Course, or BOLC, and was a Guard Force OIC in 2004 while a first lieutenant and on active duty). Unless you want to call the WWII era barracks the cadets had to stay in until recently detention centers, there's nothing there that could possibly qualify as such.

I can't access the list from work; can anyone tell me what the sites in Virginia and DC are?

[Unsecured Coins]

MARYLAND, and DC
Ft. Meade - Halfway between the District of Criminals and Baltimore. Data
needed. Ft. Detrick - Biological warfare center for the NWO, located in
Frederick.

[jhunter1163]

Redtail or UC's avatar.. who's got the better 'fro?

[Unsecured Coins]

SWEET!! No wonder I just got reassigned there!
Ft. Hood (Killeen) - Newly built concentration camp, with towers, barbed
wire etc., just like the one featured in the movie Amerika. Mock city for
NWO shock- force training. Some footage of this area was used in "Waco: A
New Revelation"

Actually, that's not a concentration camp, that's just to keep 1-5 Cav from going out on the town on weekends. Within my first MONTH of being at Hood in 1998 with the 2-12 Cav, 1st Cav Division, we had a guy from 1-5 go to Sandy's with a shotgun and start popping rounds off into the ceiling so some woman would dance with him, another guy got busted in Austin for just about everything you could imagine, and one monday morning when I showed up for PT there were MP's in front of my company building making little circles on the ground were bullet fragments were from the night before's incident - an NCO from 1-5 Cav managed to get from the club to the barracks drunk but safely, and when the Staff Duty NCO came out to assist him, he pulled out a pistol to "make him dance".

[Hellbound]

Hmmm.

Ft. Hood is a major staging area for troops heading to/returning from Iraq.

You'd think all these FEMA detainees would get in the way of that.

Unsecured: You still there? It's about time for my return trip to the desert (no official word yet that I'll be going, but a lot of the "unofficial" signs in the unit). If you're there, I could give you a yell when I pass through :)

[Unsecured Coins]

I'll be there for ROUND 3 in January

[Sabrina]

Fort Meade and Fort Detrick.

That's it?

Someone wanna explain to me why the heck we would want to build "FEMA death camps" on a post that either holds humongous amounts of military and government secrets (NSA on Fort Meade) or holds dangerous illnesses (Fort Detrick) never meant to see the light of day, especially when you consider that we do our darndest to ensure that wrong-headed people never get near either of those?

There weren't any in Virginia? Come on; I KNOW that Fort Pickett or Fort AP Hill have to be on the list; and what about Bolling AFB?

I'll have to tell my friend that info about Fort Hood; he's returning there temporarily right now. He'll get a kick out of it. :D

[Hellbound]

I'll be there for ROUND 3 in January

I doubt mine will be that soon. Still, I'll maintain a forum presence, so maybe we'll catch each other along the way or in the sandbox :)

[Unsecured Coins]

VIRGINIA
Ft. A.P. Hill (Fredericksburg) - Rex 84 / FEMA facility. Estimated capacity
45,000.
Petersburg - Federal satellite prison camp, south of Richmond.

[Unsecured Coins]

I doubt mine will be that soon. Still, I'll maintain a forum presence, so maybe we'll catch each other along the way or in the sandbox :)

either way, look for the tank with the flame paint job

[Checkmite]

I think Hurricanes Katrina and Rita pretty much proved beyond a reasonable doubt that FEMA isn't a threat to anybody, except maybe themselves. They can't coordinate crap.

[afinemadness]

:cool:

Maybe some people would be thrilled to be told they were going to Climax. :boxedin:

I believe a variation on the old joke would be "if you have to be told you are going to climax it probably is not worth it"

[Sabrina]

VIRGINIA
Ft. A.P. Hill (Fredericksburg) - Rex 84 / FEMA facility. Estimated capacity
45,000.
Petersburg - Federal satellite prison camp, south of Richmond.

See, I KNEW AP Hill had to be in there.

Never mind the fact that it's solely used as a training facility these days; nope, it's gotta be the death camp.

And you have GOT to be kidding me; they're accusing an entire city of being a FEMA camp? Is this just because Fort Lee is right there? I imagine the good citizens of Petersburg might be surprised to learn that they're in a prison camp, seeing as how they can all drive around and out of it. :rolleyes:

[Unsecured Coins]

I spent 8 weeks at FT Lee. I kinda agree with them about it being a prison camp on that one

[Cuddles]

I think Hurricanes Katrina and Rita pretty much proved beyond a reasonable doubt that FEMA isn't a threat to anybody, except maybe themselves. They can't coordinate crap.

Clearly you haven't played Deus Ex enough. If they can create nano-viruses to wipe out most of the world's population and overthrow the New World Order with an Even Newer World Order, a few happy camps shouldn't be a problem at all.

Hey, if truthers are allowed to have TV shows talk to them, I'm allowed to get my facts from computer games.:)

[afinemadness]

Correct me if I am wrong but I seem to remember that when the base closing commission was set up one of the options was to turn the empty bases into prisons. I think this is more likely the source of the misstated information. I also remember someone here asked why FEMA would run the camps. We have yet to hear an answer to that. I have only one question Are the black helicopters on the pads yet? I just want to know so I can plan dinner. I would hate to take something out and have it go bad on the counter while I am in the interment camp.

[Sabrina]

I spent 8 weeks at FT Lee. I kinda agree with them about it being a prison camp on that one

I'm stationed there, at least for now (unit's deactivating next September); I agree as well. But they didn't say Fort Lee, did they? They said Petersburg. Fort Lee may be next to Petersburg, but it's not Petersburg.

[Unsecured Coins]

nope, nothing on Ft Lee. But I giggled at this

Ft. Lewis / McChord AFB - near Tacoma - This is one of several sites that
may be used to ship prisoners overseas for slave labor.

[BenBurch]

nope, nothing on Ft Lee. But I giggled at this

Ft. Lewis / McChord AFB - near Tacoma - This is one of several sites that
may be used to ship prisoners overseas for slave labor.

Wouldn't that also include any port or airport?

Obviously those ports are evil and we should shut them all down NOW!
:jaw-dropp

[In My Spare Time]

Wouldn't that also include any port or airport?

Obviously those ports are evil and we should shut them all down NOW!
:jaw-dropp

They did include SeaTac Airport for Washington.

[jaydeehess]

Any camps in Canada?
I mean, like, I have the perfect area. I live in NorthWestern Ontario, an area pretty much the same size as France and sparsely populated. We have two major railroads through here, a major highway and the airports could be upgraded easily. Hell we are even at the northern end of the NAFTA highway.

The only sticky point would be that it is about as far from any major port as you can get in N.America so the slave debarking points may have to be elsewhere. Some slave traffic could go out via Thunder Bay, Ont. and Churchill, Manitoba in the summer months though.

[uk_dave]

Any camps in Canada?
I mean, like, I have the perfect area. I live in NorthWestern Ontario, an area pretty much the same size as France and sparsely populated.

Yeah, well, we have France. Beat that!

(waves owl feathers in your general direction)

[BenBurch]

What if we just use Quebec as a death camp? Most Canadians wouldn't even miss it. :D

[Unsecured Coins]

oh, you mean, make it official, right?

[BenBurch]

oh, you mean, make it official, right?

Naturally! Then Nova Scotia can start calling a Pizza a Pizza rather than a "Donair."

[GT/CS]

I grew up in Spokane, so I'm more than passingly familiar with the Okanogan. I'm not exactly sure what the detainees would do out there, since the number-one industry in Omak is taking bottles back to the store, but I guess that's for the NWO to figure out.

Hey, I grew up in Omak, and......

Never mind, you're right.

You know it's a small town when we considered a town of 10,000 (Wenatchee) to be big-time!

[HawksFan]

Hawksfan:

I thought Iowa was already a concentration camp...I don't know anyone who's ever escaped alive...

;)

Yeah, crap. Ya got a point there.

[GT/CS]

Hey, I grew up in Omak, and......

Never mind, you're right.

You know it's a small town when we considered a town of 10,000 (Wenatchee) to be big-time!

Although, we do have the "World Famous" Suicide Race. That's where idiots pumped up on testosterone and alcohol ride horses down an insanely steep hill and across a river, to entertain the masses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Race#_note-ICT090704

Hmmm, maybe this is like the Romans of old, forcing prisoners to fight wild animals. OMG maybe Omak really is a secret FEMA camp!!!

[Sabrina]

Well, then, how do you explain the cheese-rolling races you hear about?

Does that make the town in England or wherever they're held FEMA camps as well? 'Cause I gotta say, chasing a wheel of cheese down a really frickin' steep hill sure seems like lunacy to me.

[Unsecured Coins]

not if you really want that cheese, it doesn't

[Sabrina]

They're called cheese shops; maybe those lunatics should look them up. :p

[Unsecured Coins]

They're called cheese shops; maybe those lunatics should look them up. :p

I've had just about enough logic out of you, young lady.

[Sabrina]

I've had just about enough logic out of you, young lady.

What're you gonna do? Spank me? :p

[Unsecured Coins]

if need be, I'll get my henchman to pay you a visit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/bighandsej0.jpg

[BenBurch]

Hey! Lets all converge on the Mars Cheese Castle in Wisconsin! No reason, just a flash mob. ;)

[Blackwell]

I can't believe they haven't included the former El Toro Marine Base in Orange County, CA in their list of camps; that place has everything: existing military buildings and infrastructure, air strip for bringing in detainees, currently vacant military "housing" completely surrounded by barbed wire. They're even psychologically grooming the locals to accept whatever goes on there by renaming the area the Great Park (http://www.ocgp.org/). Insidious bastards. And they're offering rides to civilians on what's being called the Great Park Balloon (http://www.ocgp.org/gpb/), which obviously is just a centrally-located observation and sniper platform.

[TjW]

if need be, I'll get my henchman to pay you a visit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/bighandsej0.jpg

That's clearly not a henchman, but a handyman.

[Gazpacho]

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002

designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.It's scary because the postal service has no legitimate need for such a thing!

[mrn838]

Would anybody like to go troll the prisonplanet forums on this topic?

[Gravy]

Would anybody like to go troll the prisonplanet forums on this topic?No thanks, but welcome to the forums, and have fun storming the sewer!

[tomwaits]

You guys are missing the point here. The NWO operates beyond the five senses in a manner that objectivity could not penetrate (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100575). Of course you wouldn't be able to find the camps!

[mrn838]

No thanks, but welcome to the forums, and have fun storming the sewer!
Thanks but my application for the prisonplanet forums has been pending for the past four days.

[jhunter1163]

if need be, I'll get my henchman to pay you a visit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/powers05/bighandsej0.jpg

I know that guy. He conducted my last prostate exam.

[jhunter1163]

Although, we do have the "World Famous" Suicide Race. That's where idiots pumped up on testosterone and alcohol ride horses down an insanely steep hill and across a river, to entertain the masses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Race#_note-ICT090704

Hmmm, maybe this is like the Romans of old, forcing prisoners to fight wild animals. OMG maybe Omak really is a secret FEMA camp!!!

Are they still doing that? I thought the PETA people had made them stop.

It was a helluva show though. I've seen it several times.

And both my parents were born in Wenatchee, cultural center of the universe that it is.

[TjW]

Well, if the link works, here's (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Manzanar,+CA&ie=UTF8&ll=36.725195,-118.150406&spn=0.008771,0.015879&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1) a genuine camp used to hold United States citizens against their will. A little run-down, now, it's true. Still, a coat of paint, some curtains... Should I be worried that the parking lot appears freshly paved?

[BenBurch]

Is that a former japanese interment camp?

[GT/CS]

Are they still doing that? I thought the PETA people had made them stop.

It was a helluva show though. I've seen it several times.

And both my parents were born in Wenatchee, cultural center of the universe that it is.

PETA, and other groups, keep trying to shut it down from a distance. None of the groups are brave enough (or dumb enough) to go into the middle of Omak to try to stop the armed drunk rednecks, cowboys, and native Americans, from running their race.

[JimBenArm]

I don't understand why the twoofers think we need to be afraid of the death camps. After all, we're the ones that'll be running them, so what's to be afraid of?

[TjW]

Is that a former japanese interment camp?

Well, an American-of-Japanese-ancestry internment camp at any rate. It's Manzanar, in the Owens Valley. It's a historical site now, thus the freshly paved parking lot at the visitor center. I had to scroll Google a little south and zoom in to keep the label from appearing.

Isn't it odd that a repressive government would spend money to remind citizens that it has done bad things in the past?

I suppose it might make sense if it were a representative government. But for a government run by a shadowy cabal, it seems a strange behavior.

[JimBenArm]

Well, an American-of-Japanese-ancestry internment camp at any rate. It's Manzanar, in the Owens Valley. It's a historical site now, thus the freshly paved parking lot at the visitor center. I had to scroll Google a little south and zoom in to keep the label from appearing.

Isn't it odd that a repressive government would spend money to remind citizens that it has done bad things in the past?

I suppose it might make sense if it were a representative government. But for a government run by a shadowy cabal, it seems a strange behavior.
Well, we do it to keep the sheeple off-balance, don't ya know!

[Cuddles]

Well, we do it to keep the sheeple off-balance, don't ya know!

I still think my plan of selling shoes with one sole thinner than the other would be more fun.

[DRBUZZ0]

Well I think I've thouroughly debunked at least one FEMA camp: http://depletedcranium.com/?p=273

I'll have to see if I can find some others

[NikZeta302]

Here in Austin, Robert Mueller Municipal airport is considered by some loons to be a FEMA Camp but the main problem is that the entire site is being ether converted into a suburb or the old hangers are being used as movie sets.

[defaultdotxbe]

not much to look at on google but this is another place in america where people were held against their will

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=N41.5513,+W87.61449&ie=UTF8&ll=41.551021,-87.614492&spn=0.002927,0.005021&t=k&z=18&iwloc=addr

not americans though, its the site of a POW camp for german prisoners during WWII (my great grandfather spent some time there) the barracks were later converted to a girl scout camp (my mother spent some time there) interesting story, its on the forums somewhere, lol

[ktesibios]

Army Regulation 210-35 (http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r210_35.pdf).

That's the actual army regulation from the Army Publishing Directorate.

A few choice quotes:






When you actually read this, instead of accepting the first bit of CTer nonsense you come across without actually looking at the source (and I find it telling that your source does NOT list a link to the actual regulation), this is nothing sinister at all. In fact, one of these programs operates at a local National Guard base here...they run a camp for juvenile delinquents, sort fo a labor/basic training cross type thing. Been a good program, too...they do a lot of the facilities maintenance and yard work, and they get a bit of discipline instilled.

It's a Swing and a miss!



Y'know, Huntsman, as I mentioned back in July (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2781197&postcount=31), the last time this topic came up, that Army regulation can be found with the most rudimentary InvestiGoogling.

You're right, it is telling. Either the proprietors of paranoid conspiracist Web sites haven't got enough simple monkey curiosity to look for more information about things they think interesting, or they studiously avoid actually telling anyone about what they find out, in favor of posting scans of letters with the scary words circled for emphasis.

Brain-dead, dishonest or both? Anybody got a three-sided die handy?

[Walter Ego]

And a labor camp, as Herr Himmler's example shows, has to be right next to an INDUSTRY.

Here's one that is (or was) an industry you can even tour it.

The one "outside of Indianapolis" is known to sane people and railfans
worldwide as the Amtrak "Beech Grove Shops". Guess what? It was built a
long time ago, and like any other place where people work on rail
equipment, the buildings need heat, and that requires FURNACES. Every so
often, furnaces need to be replaced. After all, it was built like 100
years ago. Big gas furnaces don't make very good "crematorium", but
don't let reality get in the way of your delusions.


Um, you can tour the "concentration camp", if you ask nicely:


http://www.trainweb.org/chris/beech.html


You would probably have to be escorted by a responsible adult, since
someone like you can't be allowed to run loose in a place where there
are safety hazards..you might get put out of your misery if something
fell on you.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rasap/msg/f594eb3ea21ce5b6

[Drs_Res]

Ft. Irwin - FEMA facility near Barstow. Base is designated inactive but has staffed camp.

http://www.irwin.army.mil/channels

I helped install the on base movie Theatre back in 1999 (I think that was the year we turned the auditorium into the 2 screen Theatre) Sorry, I did not take any pictures.

Wow, look, it is still running:
http://www.aafes.com/ems/conus/irwin.htm

[defaultdotxbe]

http://www.irwin.army.mil/channels

I helped install the on base movie Theatre back in 1999 (I think that was the year we turned the auditorium into the 2 screen Theatre) Sorry, I did not take any pictures.

Wow, look, it is still running:
http://www.aafes.com/ems/conus/irwin.htm
are you kidding me? they are spending my tax dollars to show a larry the cable guy movie?

what is the world coming to

[Drs_Res]

Actually, the movies are not free, at least at the time we installed the Theatre.

The Theatre on the base is much cheaper than going to an off base local Theatre though.
Much more affordable for the service men and their families.

[The Lone German]

I was born and raised in Rantoul, Illinois. Chanute Air Base was closed down shortly after Clinton took office. There has since been a re-industrialization of the base. Renting out the former barracks, a handful of business have moved into some of the buildings out there. As for the hospital, the last I checked it was occupied by vagrant Mexican immigrants (more than likely, illegal). I recall a nursing home is also used in one of the buildings and there's a place called Lincoln's Challenge which is basically boot camp school for kids who can't get their act together in regular school. There is an Air Force Museum there and they still use the air strip for whenever air shows come through, has been a hot spot for skydiving and balloon conventions and whatnot over the years. I know the base like the back of my hand, and there's not a shred fo evidence indicating that there's one of these ludicrous FEMA camps there.

CTs will probably say its underground or something stupid like that. I can get pics if you all deem its absolutely necessary. To be fair, I used to buy into this theory, and given the text of laws and whatnot it can be a deceptively plausible one. So unless they've been building a secret FEMA deathcamp under the base withou ANYONE noticing I'd say that the air base being a camp is debunked. If you don't believe me, I dare you to visit there. You'll see just as much and no more.

[Bobert]

Take it all with a grain of salt before arriving at your own conclusion. I do agree a cross country FEMA prison camp tour would be a nice vacation.;)
Yes you would have the joy of driving around endlessly and finding nothing substantial.
Sounds about as exciting as watching paint dry, just replace, "are we there yet" with, "is it dry yet?".

[Bobert]

State by state list of sites:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm



Otis was part of 9/11 OMG it's got to be true.:rolleyes:
Are you saying that they just want to house NFL teams?
Sheesh start with the Cleveland Browns.

[Bobert]

Seatac: is a major commercial airport. The biggest one in the Northwest. Good security, lots of upgrades going on and no free wireless:mad:. Not exacly FEMA camp material.
I think you may want to reconsider this because WITHOUT FREE WIRELESS....THEY CANNOT HEAR YOU SCREAM!

[Bobert]

I used to go to Boy Scout camp in Okanogan County.

Hey, wait a minute....
James,
You were OBVIOUSLY chipped during these supposed trips with your supposed Boy Scout troop.
I find it pretty convenient that now you are a debunker.
Hmmmm

[Tandem Thinking]

ALASKA
Wilderness - East of Anchorage. No roads, Air & Railroad access only. Estimated capacity of 500,000 Elmendorf AFB - Northeast area of Anchorage - far end of base. Garden Plot facility.
Eielson AFB - Southeast of Fairbanks. Operation Garden Plot facility.
Ft. Wainwright - East of Fairbanks

I can check out Eielson AFB and Ft. Wainwright during springbreak (I'm going to be trapped up here anyways and I haven't been on-base yet).
Anchorage is kinda far away (like 350 miles), so I'll just snoop it out using the clever Twoofer satellite network known as Google Earth.

Forgive me if my woo is showing, but what is Operation Garden Plot?

[Horatius]

Forgive me if my woo is showing, but what is Operation Garden Plot?



That's the part of the plan my buddy Greg contributed. We knew from the get-go that we were going to kill off 80% of humanity, but we were stymied trying to find a reason to do that.


So Greg did the math, and it turns out, that's just enough people to fertilize the entire Sahara Desert.

[parky76]

One could argue that the idea that FEMA has secretly set up detention camps around the country to intern millions of Americans...is self-debunking.

Since when could FEMA or any other government agency keep a secret?

[Tandem Thinking]

That's the part of the plan my buddy Greg contributed. We knew from the get-go that we were going to kill off 80% of humanity, but we were stymied trying to find a reason to do that.


So Greg did the math, and it turns out, that's just enough people to fertilize the entire Sahara Desert.


The sad thing is, it took me two reads to get it.
hardy-har-har.
:D

[Horatius]

The sad thing is, it took me two reads to get it.
hardy-har-har.
:D



No, the sad part is, I didn't even make all that up. My friend Greg really did do the math once.


It's a complicated relationship.

[mortimer]

Looks like the FEMA camp at Robert Mueller airport (replaced a decade ago by Austin-Bergstrom airport) in Austin, TX is going to be pretty comfy. Here's a Google street view:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=30.29196,-97.704592&spn=0,359.981675&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=30.294192,-97.704831&panoid=1XBUbrON1qwU_-S_iw5JDQ&cbp=12,138.424557030349,,0,0.39427423927972693

[ElMondoHummus]

I was born and raised in Rantoul, Illinois. Chanute Air Base was closed down shortly after Clinton took office. There has since been a re-industrialization of the base. Renting out the former barracks, a handful of business have moved into some of the buildings out there. As for the hospital, the last I checked it was occupied by vagrant Mexican immigrants (more than likely, illegal). I recall a nursing home is also used in one of the buildings and there's a place called Lincoln's Challenge which is basically boot camp school for kids who can't get their act together in regular school. There is an Air Force Museum there and they still use the air strip for whenever air shows come through, has been a hot spot for skydiving and balloon conventions and whatnot over the years. I know the base like the back of my hand, and there's not a shred fo evidence indicating that there's one of these ludicrous FEMA camps there.

CTs will probably say its underground or something stupid like that. I can get pics if you all deem its absolutely necessary. To be fair, I used to buy into this theory, and given the text of laws and whatnot it can be a deceptively plausible one. So unless they've been building a secret FEMA deathcamp under the base withou ANYONE noticing I'd say that the air base being a camp is debunked. If you don't believe me, I dare you to visit there. You'll see just as much and no more.

In case nobody else says it: Welcome!

Pictures are always appreciated, but they're by no means required. The personal testimony of someone like you who knows the area well should be sufficient. At least, it should be for rational people; whether conspiracy addicts believe it is a whole other matter, but little tends to impress that group anyway, so I wouldn't go out of my way to try.

Maybe others can expand on his point about the text of the laws, but: Aside from temporary emergency disaster refugee housing, is there in fact any law that can actually be misinterpreted enough to suggest that such camps might be distantly plausible? I confess, I haven't looked into that part of the conspiracy fantasy; I've only seen the photographic end of the silliness, not the "explanatory" end of it.

[Tandem Thinking]

No, the sad part is, I didn't even make all that up. My friend Greg really did do the math once.


It's a complicated relationship.

:eye-poppi
I see.

[Bobert]

Do you think we will get to drive around in golf carts while confined in the FEMA Death CampsTM?

[Walter Ego]

We have a FEMA concentration camp in Savannah which doubles as a National Monument run by the U.S. Park Service. :rolleyes:

http://savannah911truth.blogspot.com/2008/04/fema-concentration-camp-in-savannah.html