What do you know? Fuel fire melting steel...

[BenBurch]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/12/05/tanker_explodes_engulfing_nearby_buildings_in_ever ett/?p1=MEWell_Pos1

Hmmmm... Obviously another NWO plot!

[CurtC]

It doesn't say that steel was melted.

[TheRedWorm]

The intense heat melted metal light poles.

I think that's pretty close

[Minadin]

We have to be careful here with how we use terms, and how they're largely used by the public. A light pole which was deformed by the heat of a fire might be described as "melted" by a reporter, even though it didn't liquify at any time, for instance. Similar to how the steel elements in the WTC didn't need to melt to lose strength in those fires.

Light poles are also often made of aluminum, which has a lower melting point than steel, as we all know. But we don't know what they were composed of, as the article just said "metal".

(I'm sure you meant this all tongue in cheek since that's so similar to how conspiracy theorists have twisted things, so I'm not rebuking you. I just want to know how those light poles were destroyed if there's no evidence of a plane. Was the gas tanker from Citgo?)

[BenBurch]

It doesn't say that steel was melted.

Said nothing was left of the truck... That implies either steel melting or steel burning.

[Unsecured Coins]

it was dustified by clunkity clunk elves

[CurtC]

Said nothing was left of the truck... That implies either steel melting or steel burning.

No it doesn't - it says "All that remained of the tanker truck was a debris field of charred metal."

[BenBurch]

No it doesn't - it says "All that remained of the tanker truck was a debris field of charred metal."

I visualize it burning to the ground in place. I have seen other vehicle fires where body steel melted right through. Perhaps I have the wrong idea here and it was more an explosive event and less a fire event that I thought?

If anybody else has a clearer account, post it, please!

[tsig]

We have to be careful here with how we use terms, and how they're largely used by the public. A light pole which was deformed by the heat of a fire might be described as "melted" by a reporter, even though it didn't liquify at any time, for instance. Similar to how the steel elements in the WTC didn't need to melt to lose strength in those fires.

Light poles are also often made of aluminum, which has a lower melting point than steel, as we all know. But we don't know what they were composed of, as the article just said "metal".

(I'm sure you meant this all tongue in cheek since that's so similar to how conspiracy theorists have twisted things, so I'm not rebuking you. I just want to know how those light poles were destroyed if there's no evidence of a plane. Was the gas tanker from Citgo?)

North of the Citgo. Then it flew over.

[Vincent Vega]

http://www.tfhrc.gov/pubrds/02sep/05.htm

This bridge didn't 'melt' either.

http://www.tfhrc.gov/pubrds/02sep/images/05i65bridge1.jpg

[Gravy]

Here's a light pole. Not melted.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/12/05/Scenes_from_the_Everett_fire?pg=15

The only photos of the truck on that page are of parts left, presumably after the main portion had been removed.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/12/05/Scenes_from_the_Everett_fire?pg=32

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/12/05/Scenes_from_the_Everett_fire?pg=33

[jaydeehess]

Here's a light pole. Not melted.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/12/05/Scenes_from_the_Everett_fire?pg=15

The only photos of the truck on that page are of parts left, presumably after the main portion had been removed.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/12/05/Scenes_from_the_Everett_fire?pg=32

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/12/05/Scenes_from_the_Everett_fire?pg=33

Going through some of the photos I see a lot of evidence that a DEW was used. Partiallly burned cars, large burn holes in buildings , and that tanker!!!11!!,,,,,,,, where's the TANK!!11!!1eleventy!! Dustified it was!! What can do that? A liquid fuel fire:rolleyes:

[Mr. Skinny]

Those light poles were made of mercury. That's a metal!!!!

[1337m4n]

Obviously a false-flag with the purpose of reinforcing the "fire melts metal" meme. Only holographic thermite delivered by outer-space death rays can melt metal.

[Apollo20]

Well I have it all figured out!

Megan Woodhouse, the reporter, is actually an engineering professor. It is a well-known fact that many engineering professors, (unlike chemistry professors!), believe that hydrocarbon fires can and do melt steel.

It happened in the Twin Towers don't you know!

Go ask engineers like Richard Behr, John Knapton, Eduardo Kausel, Chris Wise....

[jaydeehess]

Well I have it all figured out!

Megan Woodhouse, the reporter, is actually an engineering professor. It is a well-known fact that many engineering professors, (unlike chemistry professors!), believe that hydrocarbon fires can and do melt steel.

It happened in the Twin Towers don't you know!

Go ask engineers like Richard Behr, John Knapton, Eduardo Kausel, Chris Wise....

When the Airbus went down in Queens shortly after Sept 11/01 I watched an NTSB news briefing live. I saw the NTSB spokesperson describing the g acellerations that the aircraft experienced, '1.5 g vertical, 2.3 g to port' things like that. I understood and could picture in my mind's eye what it would feel like in the cabin of that aircraft being thrown from full right rudder to full left rudder, loosing its vertical stabilzer and entering a flat spin.(IIRC)

Then I got to witness the reporters asking questions such as
"Could you explain what 'g' is?" (asked several times from multiple reporters)
"Could you explain what acelleration is?" (asked several times from multiple reporters)
"What do you mean by 'force'?" (asked several times from multiple reporters)

Nah, I can't believe that a reporter is an engineer anymore than I could believe that one is a chemist.;)


I can believe that a reporter, who's university courses included film studies, history, English literature and Political Science (an oxymoron IMHO) would see a metal object that had twisted or bent over in the heat of a fire and characterise this as it having been "melted".

On a bright note, many journalism schools now include some science classes in the curriculum, Carleton U. in Ottawa for eg.

I can also envision an engineer saying that steel had melted before actually looking up the relevent numbers (flame temp/liquification temp), or making the same generalization that the reporter would make where softened=melted.

[sarcasm]To an engineer a metal that has lost 50% of its strength would be of little use in construction and might as well be liquid:D:D

Reminds of the joke;;;;

Premise: all odd numbers are prime numbers

Physics approach
1 prime
3 prime
5 prime
7 prime
9 divisible by 3 - original premise is incorrect

Engineering approach
1 prime
3 prime
5 prime
7 prime
9 divisible by 3 - possible experimental error
11 prime
13 prime
15 divisible by 3 and 5 - possible experimental error
17 prime
19 prime
Premise is correct at least 80% of the time and therefore a good approximation.

[Kent1]

Well I have it all figured out!

Megan Woodhouse, the reporter, is actually an engineering professor. It is a well-known fact that many engineering professors, (unlike chemistry professors!), believe that hydrocarbon fires can and do melt steel.

It happened in the Twin Towers don't you know!

Go ask engineers like Richard Behr, John Knapton, Eduardo Kausel, Chris Wise....
From my understanding hydrocarbon fires can and do melt steel. Although I don't believe its as nearly as common as the news reports often claim.

http://www.atslab.com/fire/PDF/MeltedSteel.pdf

The apparently melted ends of each of the four springs were cut off and mounted in a metallurgical mounting medium, polished, etched, and examined at up to 500x. Three of the four springs exhibited a decarburized ferrite microstructure, with oxidation on the top surface. Such a microstructure is typical of steel exposed to temperatures in the range of 1800°F [982 °C].

One of the wire ends exhibited a ferrite microstructure with oxidation on the top surface and incipient melting at the grain boundaries. This particular wire end had attained temperatures of between 2100°F [1148 °C] and 2200°F [1204 °C]. This wire end had, in fact, just begun to melt, which is what we would expect if there was melting further down the wire.

[CurtC]

Premise: all odd numbers are prime numbers

Physics approach
1 prime
I have to maintain my reputation as a pedant and point out that 1 is not considered to be among the prime numbers.

[Sunstealer]

From my understanding hydrocarbon fires can and do melt steel. Although I don't believe its as nearly as common as the news reports often claim.

http://www.atslab.com/fire/PDF/MeltedSteel.pdf

The apparently melted ends of each of the four springs were cut off and mounted in a metallurgical mounting medium, polished, etched, and examined at up to 500x. Three of the four springs exhibited a decarburized ferrite microstructure, with oxidation on the top surface. Such a microstructure is typical of steel exposed to temperatures in the range of 1800°F [982 °C].

One of the wire ends exhibited a ferrite microstructure with oxidation on the top surface and incipient melting at the grain boundaries. This particular wire end had attained temperatures of between 2100°F [1148 °C] and 2200°F [1204 °C]. This wire end had, in fact, just begun to melt, which is what we would expect if there was melting further down the wire.I would say that what you are describing and what can be seen from those micrographs (photgraphs of the microsections) is what I would describe as liquation. Typically this occurs at grain boundaries because of the chemical make up of those areas.

About 10 years ago I used to work in a Materials Lab for a company that built satellites. Aluminium alloy (silicon mainly iirc) waveguides were produced by 3 companies. We used to have to examine test pieces for each waveguide (metallurgical mounting medium, polished, etched, and examined etc) that these companies produced. The fabrication consisted of square or rectangular aluminium tubes brazed to other tubes or flanges. A very low temperature process and one that required alot of skill. One week we found that every single test piece from one company failed due to liquation which could be seen as intergranular gaps whereby the grain boundaries had melted causing shrinkage on solidification. Turned out that one of their competitors had pillaged their brazers with better offers and so they had to use employees with less experience! We had to help them qualify which took some time.

So yes you could argue that those springs had seen melting but no metallurgist would use that term to describe what is seen without including the words "of the grain boundary" which then properly characterizes what is observed. Melting implies liquification on a macro not micro scale.