cross-referencing truth movement claims

[defaultdotxbe]

is there a document or database anywhere that lists major claims and arguments of the truth movement, along with who supports them? (and if not, would anyone be interested in compiling one?)

i was thinking of something like this (the information is not exhaustive and may not be accurate):

Claim: A 757 did not hit the Pentagon.
Originator: Thierry Meyssan (9/11: The Big Lie)

Proponents: Dylan Avery/Korery Rowe/Jason Bermas (Loose Change), In Plane Sight, Merc/Lyte Trip (The PentaCON)

Opponents: Steven Jones

Argument: 16 Foot Hole
Originator: ?

Proponents: Loose Change, In Plane Sight

Opponents: ?


Argument: North of Citgo Flight Path
Originator: The PentaCON

Proponents: Pilots4Truth
and so on like that

i think it would be valuable in compiling counter-arguments to videos, even if no one has written a specific rebuttal for that video, also it would reduce the effectiveness of "X is a strawman, the real evidence is in Y" type arguments, since it can be shown that X and Y use all the same arguments

[jhunter1163]

I think Ref's guide was structured like that. It's been de-hosted for now but will soon be back up, I'm sure.

[Brainster]

Dylan backed away from the "no-planes at the Pentagon" theory in the latest version; suddenly he's got lots of examples of plane parts found there.

Good opponents of that theory (while still Truthers) include JREF forum member Caustic Logic:

http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com

I think Catherder was a Truther too, and his post is terrific:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

and Jim Hoffman:

http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/noplane/index.html

[T.A.M.]

I was working on such a document, but put it aside when I realized just how many insanotruthers there were, and the crazy diversity in their claims.

Good luck with it def...

TAM:)

[defaultdotxbe]

I was working on such a document, but put it aside when I realized just how many insanotruthers there were, and the crazy diversity in their claims.

Good luck with it def...

TAM:)
see ive been coming to the opposite conclusion, fringe members like merc/lyte an dkilltown aside there is very little diversity in their claims, despite what they would have you believe, so when someone says "loose change isnt representative of the movement, you shoudl watch 9.11 mysteries instead" you find that mysteries is just rehashing all the same claims and evidence as loose change, they seem to think that by renaming and repackaging it they are somehow undoing any previous debunking, lol

[StickMan2008]

I don't know how wide the original hole of the Pentagon was but it wasn't 90 feet like Popular Mechanics tried to deceive people into believing.


It was only that wide after the wall collapsed.

[Mr. Skinny]

I don't know how wide the original hole of the Pentagon was but it wasn't 90 feet like Popular Mechanics tried to deceive people into believing.


It was only that wide after the wall collapsed.
So, are you saying th wall collapsed well beyond the impact area?

What should the impact area measurement have been then, if 90 ft is not correct?

[T.A.M.]

I don't know how wide the original hole of the Pentagon was but it wasn't 90 feet like Popular Mechanics tried to deceive people into believing.


It was only that wide after the wall collapsed.

Dear God in Heaven.

PROOF that the hole WAS NOT 90 feet (you stated as fact that it wasnt). PROOF that it was only this wide AFTER the collapse.

Thanks in advance

TAM:)

[chillzero]

I don't know how wide the original hole of the Pentagon was but it wasn't 90 feet like Popular Mechanics tried to deceive people into believing.


It was only that wide after the wall collapsed.

Stick - start a new thread. Please stop derailing threads with these arguments that are not about what the OP lays out.

[8den]

Argument: North of Citgo Flight Path
Originator: The PentaCON

Proponents: Pilots4Truth

Opponents: Everyone with half a brain in their head.