Government, once again, proves it's ineptitude

[Tony]

http://www.cjad.com/content/cjad_news/article.asp?id=n091543A ...full article

OTTAWA (CP) - Some of the first patients to smoke Health Canada's government-approved marijuana say it's "disgusting" and want their money back.

"It's totally unsuitable for human consumption," said Jim Wakeford, 58, an AIDS patient in Gibsons, B.C. "It gave me a slight buzziness for about three to five minutes, and that was it. I got no other effect from it."

Barrie Dalley, a 52-year-old Toronto man who uses marijuana to combat the nausea associated with AIDS, said the Health Canada dope actually made him sick to his stomach.

"I threw up," Dalley said Monday. "It made me nauseous because I had to use so much of it. It was so weak in potency that I really threw up."

[KelvinG]

That story does make the government look ridiculous. We've been smoking "BC Bud" here in these parts for many years, and it's commonly regarded as some of the best pot in the world.
There is plenty of great grow ops that could be helping the government out, but they choose to grow their own.

That's seems to have turned out just wonderfully.:rolleyes:

[American]

Smoking anything is very bad for you. Why on earth they don't prescribe it in some oral form (perhaps eaten with food?) is beyond me.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by American
Smoking anything is very bad for you. Why on earth they don't prescribe it in some oral form (perhaps eaten with food?) is beyond me.

If I had AIDS I don't think I would be worried about getting lung cancer thirty years from now. I would be more interested in easing my symptoms, even if it did involving inhaling toxic fumes.

And I'm no expert here, but I don't believe an oral version of marijuana would have the same effectiveness as smoking it. It wouldn't get through your system as quickly. (Someone feel free to correct me on this one if I'm wrong.)

[Zep]

Seems this is about medicinal use of marijuana. I agree with American here - I have it on fairly good source that consumed pot produces a longer lasting and more intense effect, but it is slower to come on to full effect.

Hash brownies, anyone?

[shanek]

Originally posted by American
Smoking anything is very bad for you. Why on earth they don't prescribe it in some oral form (perhaps eaten with food?) is beyond me.

There are several reasons, starting with the fact that it needs to be introduced into the body quickly up to the change in the form needed for oral consumption (which would require digestion) would be counteractive. That's why Marinol, a very expensive (even compared to marijuana, the price of which has been artificially inflated by its illegality) synthetic version of THC, doesn't work at all for that purpose, and isn't anywhere near as effective as marijuana for other purposes.

[corplinx]

Medicinal THC is fine with me. Put in an inhaler, make a sublingual solution, whatever. How you can do real quality control with leaves and rolling papers is beyond me. We want to relieve pain and increase appetite in the terminally ill, not promote the stoner lifestyle.

[shanek]

Originally posted by corplinx
Medicinal THC is fine with me. Put in an inhaler, make a sublingual solution, whatever.

What's the difference between that and smoking marijuana, especially given that smoking marijuana is much, much more effective?

How you can do real quality control with leaves and rolling papers is beyond me.

Argument from incredulity.

We want to relieve pain and increase appetite in the terminally ill, not promote the stoner lifestyle.

This sentence exposes your bias. I challenge you to go to Steve Kubby, who will (barring a medical miracle) never again enjoy a full night's sleep because he has to smoke medical marijuana every hour to prevent his adrenal cancer from building up to lethal levels. I challence you to tell that to the loved ones of Peter McWilliams. Go to these people and say they're stoners. I dare you.

[mjv]

Originally posted by shanek


This sentence exposes your bias. I challenge you to go to Steve Kubby, who will (barring a medical miracle) never again enjoy a full night's sleep because he has to smoke medical marijuana every hour to prevent his adrenal cancer from building up to lethal levels.

He MUST smoke very hour or risk allegedly lethal levels? Must have been a miracle that he didn't die while waiting to get released on bond when he got popped for posession. Another miracle in the courtroom as well, but I imagine the court let him slip out every hour on the hour to go out his VW bus.

Then again, maybe the magic mushrooms he had helped.

[Ziggurat]

Originally posted by American
Smoking anything is very bad for you. Why on earth they don't prescribe it in some oral form (perhaps eaten with food?) is beyond me.

Actually, there's a very simple reason for this: when you smoke marijuana, the THC goes directly into your bloodstream, for a quick and powerful efffect. When you ingest it, not only does it take longer to get to the bloodstream, but it gets filtered by the liver, which can remove some of the THC.

There is a third option, though, which gets the active ingredient straight into the bloodstream without filtering through the liver, and without having to fill your lungs with smoke. It's called a suppository.:(

[Wally]

Originally posted by Ziggurat



There is a third option, though, which gets the active ingredient straight into the bloodstream without filtering through the liver, and without having to fill your lungs with smoke. It's called a suppository.:(

But how do you keep it lit?:eek:

[shemp]

Originally posted by UndeadCorpse


But how do you keep it lit?:eek:

With this:

[shanek]

Originally posted by mjv
He MUST smoke very hour or risk allegedly lethal levels?

Yep. After more than an hour, he starts having violent spasms due to the adrenaline levels. Four days without marijuana, and he will die. That's according to one of the leading cancer experts and the leading expert on adrenal cancer.

Another miracle in the courtroom as well, but I imagine the court let him slip out every hour on the hour to go out his VW bus.

Your bigoted blathering aside, they actually did suspend court every hour so he could take his medicine when the US government tried to have him extradited from Canada.

[mjv]

Originally posted by shanek


Your bigoted blathering aside, they actually did suspend court every hour so he could take his medicine when the US government tried to have him extradited from Canada.

So these two unnamed experts say marijuana is the best medicine ever for high blood pressure.

Wow, they must be smart. All those other doctors all over the US are still prescribing legal drugs for high blood presure.

So the court let him out hourly to take his "medicine", huh? I notice you ignored the fact he also got popped for 'shrooms, were they included as MEDICINAL too?

As an aside, I have in personal experience in Texas and Alaska seen people react very violently to smoking marijuana because they had panic attacks. Anecdotal yes, but it suggests to me that marijuana may not be the anti-adrenaline wonder drug you think it is.

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Ziggurat

There is a third option, though, which gets the active ingredient straight into the bloodstream without filtering through the liver, and without having to fill your lungs with smoke. It's called a suppository.:(

Ever notice that there are no recreational drugs taken in supository form?
- George Carlin

[Tony]

Originally posted by Segnosaur


Ever notice that there are no recreational drugs taken in supository form?
- George Carlin

There is, I have known people who have taken X as a supository.

[shanek]

Originally posted by mjv
So these two unnamed experts say marijuana is the best medicine ever for high blood pressure.

When did I say anything about high blood pressure? We're talking about levels of adrenaline in the bloodstream being abnormally high due to adrenal cancer. And marijuana is the only substance that has been shown to be effective in reducing these levels. Marijuana has kept Kubby alive for over a decade while so many others don't make it five years.

So the court let him out hourly to take his "medicine", huh? I notice you ignored the fact he also got popped for 'shrooms, were they included as MEDICINAL too?

Yes, but that was his wife, not him.

As an aside, I have in personal experience in Texas and Alaska seen people react very violently to smoking marijuana because they had panic attacks. Anecdotal yes, but it suggests to me that marijuana may not be the anti-adrenaline wonder drug you think it is.

Take it up with Dr. Vincent DeQuattro, who was the world's leading expert on adrenal cancer, and who dared to disagree with you...

[mjv]

Shanek, my man, you are not even trying to check these things out!

Originally posted by shanek


When did I say anything about high blood pressure? We're talking about levels of adrenaline in the bloodstream being abnormally high due to adrenal cancer. And marijuana is the only substance that has been shown to be effective in reducing these levels. Marijuana has kept Kubby alive for over a decade while so many others don't make it five years.

You didn’t have to say anything about high blood pressure, he did:

"If I don't smoke pot," he said, "my blood pressure goes through the roof and would either burst a blood vessel or cause a heart attack."

Those are Steve Kubby’s own words (as printed in the esteemed online journal “Cannibus News”, September 7, 2002).



Originally posted by shanek
Yes, but that was his wife, not him.

He was convicted of felony possession, got a sympathetic judge, and it was lowered to a misdemeanor. They were HIS illegal mushrooms.

In what far away bastion of secret knowledge did I find this? From his own freaking website!!!:

“SAN FRANCISCO -- The California Supreme Court refused Wednesday to grant an appeal of a felony conviction for Steven Wynn Kubby, the medical-marijuana activist convicted of possession of mescaline.”

http://www.kubby.com/index.html


Originally posted by shanek
Take it up with Dr. Vincent DeQuattro, who was the world's leading expert on adrenal cancer, and who dared to disagree with you...

Ah, and last but not least, the good Dr. DeQuattro:

In the obituary for the esteemed Cardiologist, Dr. Vincent DeQuattro, USC talks about many of his impressive achievements such as being an expert in hypertension. They seem real proud of him, mentioning many accomplishments:

"He was a member of the High Blood Pressure Council of the American Heart Association, the American Society of Hypertension, the Inter-national Society of Hypertension and a fellow of the American College of Cardiology and the American College of Physicians.

Author of more than 140 peer reviewed articles and more than 40 chapters in medical texts, DeQuattro's research focused on the causes, prevention and treatment of hypertension and heart failure. "

Now, I wonder why they left off the part about his being the WORLD’S LEADING EXPERT ON ADRENAL CANCER?

I know! Maybe USC doesn’t like to brag about the staff…

http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/pr/1volpdf/pdf01/722.pdf

Reply if you want to, but I am through reading anything you post. Its hard to respect your intentions If two minutes and a Google search gives me better data than you have.