Disrespect for parents by wooest woo

[~enigma~]

At

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=20086&view=findpost&p=14724751

look-up tells his mother...

I told my mom the other day, "soon people like you will be thanking people like me for speaking out"...

Best argument for abortion I ever heard. This is a prevalent trend among the 9/11 woo. From this I can see that it isn't just an anti-government or woo perspective but it seems more like a distrust and lack of respect for ANYONE in authority or ANYONE older (most notably parents). So now the question is do we blame 9/11 woo on being the product of "bad" parenting?

[Praktik]

I blame society

[Redtail]

But it's look_up. I mean later on in the thread he says about the 9/11 South Park Ep.

wasn't it obvious that it was the most immature episode of south park ever? It didn't even have the usual "message" that put everything into context and actually had moral grounding...

either that it was a ploy as you describe, or it was neutral and just a piece of comedy that wasn't meant to portray the truth at all.

I know one thing for sure. It wasn't a hit piece. Because millions of people logged on to the web as soon as it was over and learned the truth.I really don't know if parents can help him.

[MIKILLINI]

At

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=20086&view=findpost&p=14724751

look-up tells his mother...



Best argument for abortion I ever heard. This is a prevalent trend among the 9/11 woo. From this I can see that it isn't just an anti-government or woo perspective but it seems more like a distrust and lack of respect for ANYONE in authority or ANYONE older (most notably parents). So now the question is do we blame 9/11 woo on being the product of "bad" parenting?

Collectively, I say no. But you can't say enough about blaming it on ignorance, stubborness, or just plain stupidity of the individual.

[Coffee]

Bad parenting could play a part. Also teen angst, gullibility, ignorance, the need to belong, the need for attention and mental illness have a role in why truthers believe the woo.

[~enigma~]

Bad parenting could play a part. Also teen angst, gullibility, ignorance, the need to belong, the need for attention and mental illness have a role in why truthers believe the woo.
Interestingly enough in a PM last year look-up mentioned that he was tired of being "outside" and felt that since becoming a truher he was part of an accepted (among themselves) group.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Sounds to me as though his mother looks down on troofiness already. Hence the "someday you'll see I was right" vibe.

Sometimes good parents can have stupid children.

[Drudgewire]

I told my mom the other day, "soon people like you will be thanking people like me for speaking out"
Mom should have responded "people like me? You mean people whose children were life-crushing accidents?'"

[PetersCreek]

According to his profile, he's 26. Mom should kick him out of the house.

[scissorhands]

Heres a good example of just wanting to be wanted.

Gideon524
Posted: Nov 25 2007, 11:37 PM
Group: Admin
Posts: 455
Member No.: 729
Joined: 27-October 06


This is going to sound really corny, but I just need to vent.

I'm watching Final Cut once again and reflecting on the last week I just had at work. I'm a cook at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in east Tennessee so you can probably imagine the resistance I face when I discuss 9/11 Truth. I was even called a communist a week ago by a fellow cook for my "Investigate 9/11" bumper stickers. No matter how good a job I do there, it seems people are just determined to find something about me to complain about and boy does it really piss me off. It happens so often, that it tends to make me believe that I actually deserve the harassment sometimes. It is very hard to feel loved when you believe what I believe and have to interact with so many sheep on a daily basis and literally everywhere you go.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I am extremely grateful for all of you out there in the movement, whether we agree or disagree on certain facts. The 9/11 Truth Movement has been the most positive influence in my life and has made me a better person in the last year since I’ve gotten to meet and know a lot of you.

I know we all have our differences, but it's the similarities that I like to focus on, the main one being that we all know that we're being lied to. I marched with my high school band 4 years, my college band for 5, and poured my blood, sweat, and tears into the music department all those years and still never truly felt as accepted with those groups as I do with this one. When I visited NYC for the first time on the fifth 9/11 anniversary, I felt alive for probably the first time in years.

Anyways, I just wanted to throw a positive vibe out there for everybody because I'm tired of all the negativity not just within the movement, but life in general. Just because we all know we're being ****ed by the powers-to-be doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy life.

I've also decided to unsuspend tossthekitty with a simple request to all...

Lay off the name-calling and personal attacks. I don’t tolerate them and if I come across them, the rules will be enforced.

Disagreements are going to happen and you don't have to resort to insults to make your point.

Happy Holidays everybody.

Love you guys...

[Gravy]

It takes a village to raise an idiot.

[~enigma~]

It is very hard to feel loved when you believe what I believe and have to interact with so many sheep on a daily basis and literally everywhere you go.
No it's hard to feel loved nor does one deserve it when their attitude is believe like me or you are one of the surrounding sheep.

[Redtail]

According to his profile, he's 26. Mom should kick him out of the house.

Sigh... As much as i hate to (somewhat) defend him, I will say that without knowing his background if he recently went through a messy divorce It is (IMO) ok to shack up at Mom & Dad's for a while. :boxedin:

ETA: Granted by "while" I mean a few months.

[Coffee]

Quote:
Gideon524
Posted: Nov 25 2007, 11:37 PM
Group: Admin
Posts: 455
Member No.: 729
Joined: 27-October 06


This is going to sound really corny, but I just need to vent.

I'm watching Final Cut once again and reflecting on the last week I just had at work. I'm a cook at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in east Tennessee so you can probably imagine the resistance I face when I discuss 9/11 Truth. I was even called a communist a week ago by a fellow cook for my "Investigate 9/11" bumper stickers. No matter how good a job I do there, it seems people are just determined to find something about me to complain about and boy does it really piss me off. It happens so often, that it tends to make me believe that I actually deserve the harassment sometimes. It is very hard to feel loved when you believe what I believe and have to interact with so many sheep on a daily basis and literally everywhere you go.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I am extremely grateful for all of you out there in the movement, whether we agree or disagree on certain facts. The 9/11 Truth Movement has been the most positive influence in my life and has made me a better person in the last year since I’ve gotten to meet and know a lot of you.

I know we all have our differences, but it's the similarities that I like to focus on, the main one being that we all know that we're being lied to. I marched with my high school band 4 years, my college band for 5, and poured my blood, sweat, and tears into the music department all those years and still never truly felt as accepted with those groups as I do with this one. When I visited NYC for the first time on the fifth 9/11 anniversary, I felt alive for probably the first time in years.

Anyways, I just wanted to throw a positive vibe out there for everybody because I'm tired of all the negativity not just within the movement, but life in general. Just because we all know we're being ****ed by the powers-to-be doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy life.

I've also decided to unsuspend tossthekitty with a simple request to all...

Lay off the name-calling and personal attacks. I don’t tolerate them and if I come across them, the rules will be enforced.

Disagreements are going to happen and you don't have to resort to insults to make your point.

Happy Holidays everybody.

Love you guys...


The guy who wrote that diatribe is 26?? Emotionally he is an adolescent and he sees the truther movement as his refuge. He's a weak person trying to escape the real world.

[T.A.M.]

Bad parenting could play a part. Also teen angst, gullibility, ignorance, the need to belong, the need for attention and mental illness have a role in why truthers believe the woo.

Bingo!!!

Angry Young Boy!!!!!!!

TAM:)

[PetersCreek]

Sigh... As much as i hate to (somewhat) defend him, I will say that without knowing his background if he recently went through a messy divorce It is (IMO) ok to shack up at Mom & Dad's for a while.


I wasn't commenting so much on his reason(s) for living at home...if indeed, he is. I was referring more to his lack of respect for his mother.


The guy who wrote that diatribe is 26??


I dunno about that guy. I was talking about "look-up" from the OP.

[~enigma~]

The guy who wrote that diatribe is 26?? Emotionally he is an adolescent and he sees the truther movement as his refuge. He's a weak person trying to escape the real world.
look-up is 26. Don't know how old Gideon is but I haven't found him to be anywhere near as childish as look-up.

[scissorhands]

I wasn't commenting so much on his reason(s) for living at home...if indeed, he is. I was referring more to his lack of respect for his mother.





I dunno about that guy. I was talking about "look-up" from the OP.

Gideon is an admin at LCF.

[Sporanox]

Just because we all know we're being ****ed by the powers-to-be doesn't mean we shouldn't enjoy life.


Right. You should ENJOY LIFE living under the shadow of a mass-murdering government. And you should probably realize that if that government is as fascist as you believe, then you would probably be in real serious trouble.

Really, how did truthers figure they could get away with all this "the government murdered people" garbage right under the government's nose? It makes absolutely no sense at all.

[16.5]

Say, I don't see Rev19something or other around there any more.

Has he bailed, or don't I look enough?

[Brainster]

Anybody remember the Truther kid whose dad grabbed him from behind, stuck a boxcutter up to his throat and asked him if he thought it was funny now?

Now that's parenting!

[tsig]

I blame society

I blame Lisa.

[Alferd_Packer]

I blame Canada. (29021732)

[Alferd_Packer]

I'm a cook at a Cracker Barrel restaurant in east Tennessee . . . I marched with my high school band 4 years, my college band for 5, and poured my blood, sweat, and tears into the music department all those years

A cook who can play the tuba, now there's a resume to be proud of.

[Wildy]

Anybody remember the Truther kid whose dad grabbed him from behind, stuck a boxcutter up to his throat and asked him if he thought it was funny now?

Now that's parenting!

Wait. That actually happened?

Did the Truther kid just go back to the same worn out diatribe after that was all over?

[Redtail]

Wait. That actually happened?

Did the Truther kid just go back to the same worn out diatribe after that was all over?

What he said. I don't remember that one.

[MetalliSociety]

I believe the great Duke Nukem said it.

"You make a good argument for birth control!"

[FactCheck]

These are some e-mails I got from readers...

_____________________________________

My husband started with the 9/11 Truth bandwagon. I will try to spare you the details, because we our situation is probably pretty typical. He is a 9/11 conspiracy nut, I am not. I found your site some months ago and tried to show him the real truth, but nothing will convince him. We are in marital counseling now. This is not our only problem, but it is a big part of it. I write to you to ask if you have any advice on how to bring somebody back once they have obviously flipped like he has. Our counselor, a Psychologist (PhD), has told me that we are better off not trying that route because it is very difficult. I am hoping that with your extensive knowledge and experience with these people, you might have some advice. Please, my situation is real and I am pretty desperate for help.

Any advice?
___________________________

Thank you for your website! My dad has gone crazy and I have to hear everything new the conspiracy theorists come up with. Sites like yours help keep me sane so I can keep up with the propaganda thrown at me in my own house.

I thought you might enjoy the compliment as payment for your work, sir.
___________________________

9/11 conspiracies have real effects on real people. I bet Alex Jones doesn't give a rats patootie how many families he destroys.

[MetalliSociety]

OF course he doesn't. Just as long as these woos keep him from going in the red for his funding of LCFC, he could care less about peoples families.

[Praktik]

These are some e-mails I got from readers...

Wow... had me stopping and thinking there with those letters... I know in my own experience that 9/11 Truth has inserted some distance between myself and what I considered to be one of my closest friends. It wasn't even so much the fact we argued - I've had intense political disagreements with lots of people with no impact to the closeness of the relationship -> it was the style.

I had trouble staying level when accused of not being able to "open my eyes" or that I "blindly accept what the media tell me".

I probably let a little condescension slip into my tone - and that left him feeling like I thought he was a flake. Which I guess, is true now...

:)

MY Uncle told me of a friend he no longer hangs out with all that often because of this stuff.

I really think its the Truther tendency to believe that they're "through the veil" - it tightens their social links with each other, gives them a stronger identity, with the consequence that those who are not "behind the veil" must be "outside the veil", still stuck in their miserly state, unable to see through the lies that truthers have so boldy challenged.

Without that mindset, these little "blips" in relations between people would be much smaller. People don't like being called sheep, and if you're a rational person, then truthers really seem, well, kind of "flaky" and silly.

Not conducive to the positive growth of friendships/marriage what have you.

I applaud the wife that wrote you though - it really seems like she's trying her best to find a way through all this - I wish them luck.

[Horatius]

I really think its the Truther tendency to believe that they're "through the veil" - it tightens their social links with each other, gives them a stronger identity, with the consequence that those who are not "behind the veil" must be "outside the veil", still stuck in their miserly state, unable to see through the lies that truthers have so boldy challenged.





It's just like recruiting for a cult - get a bunch of vulnerable people with low self-esteem, feed them a line about how "special" they are, encourage them in behaviours that distance them from family and friends, and get them thinking that they really only "belong" when they're with the cult. Do all that, and you'll have a steady stream of minions to do you dirty work and funnel you money.

[T.A.M.]

These are some e-mails I got from readers...

_____________________________________

My husband started with the 9/11 Truth bandwagon. I will try to spare you the details, because we our situation is probably pretty typical. He is a 9/11 conspiracy nut, I am not. I found your site some months ago and tried to show him the real truth, but nothing will convince him. We are in marital counseling now. This is not our only problem, but it is a big part of it. I write to you to ask if you have any advice on how to bring somebody back once they have obviously flipped like he has. Our counselor, a Psychologist (PhD), has told me that we are better off not trying that route because it is very difficult. I am hoping that with your extensive knowledge and experience with these people, you might have some advice. Please, my situation is real and I am pretty desperate for help.

Any advice?
___________________________

Thank you for your website! My dad has gone crazy and I have to hear everything new the conspiracy theorists come up with. Sites like yours help keep me sane so I can keep up with the propaganda thrown at me in my own house.

I thought you might enjoy the compliment as payment for your work, sir.
___________________________

9/11 conspiracies have real effects on real people. I bet Alex Jones doesn't give a rats patootie how many families he destroys.

Those stories are very sad, especially the first one. I am sure if it results in a separation or divorce, it will not be the first one resulting from "the truth".

Advice (for the first scenario)...difficult, because every situation is different and we do not have the details of this particular one. In general, I would say that keeping the issues of 9/11 out of the conversation entirely is a good first step. Conversion back to reality at this stage, from what I can gather, is unlikely. He seems like he is really deep down the rabbit hole. An agreement from both people to NOT DISCUSS 9/11 is perhaps the best approach. If this proves too much, than a decision has to be made of what is more important for you at this stage in your life...your marriage or standing your ground. The trouble is, if you decide the marriage is more important, than it will require you lieing about your views on 9/11 in order to save it. This is something you would have to live with. If children are involved, it makes the situation that more complex. Marital counselling will definitely help, and should be continued.


Wow... had me stopping and thinking there with those letters... I know in my own experience that 9/11 Truth has inserted some distance between myself and what I considered to be one of my closest friends. It wasn't even so much the fact we argued - I've had intense political disagreements with lots of people with no impact to the closeness of the relationship -> it was the style.

I had trouble staying level when accused of not being able to "open my eyes" or that I "blindly accept what the media tell me".

I probably let a little condescension slip into my tone - and that left him feeling like I thought he was a flake. Which I guess, is true now...

:)

MY Uncle told me of a friend he no longer hangs out with all that often because of this stuff.

I really think its the Truther tendency to believe that they're "through the veil" - it tightens their social links with each other, gives them a stronger identity, with the consequence that those who are not "behind the veil" must be "outside the veil", still stuck in their miserly state, unable to see through the lies that truthers have so boldy challenged.

Without that mindset, these little "blips" in relations between people would be much smaller. People don't like being called sheep, and if you're a rational person, then truthers really seem, well, kind of "flaky" and silly.

Not conducive to the positive growth of friendships/marriage what have you.

I applaud the wife that wrote you though - it really seems like she's trying her best to find a way through all this - I wish them luck.

It is very difficult. I have a friend who is full blown, at this for 2 years truther. Occasionally we get into a bit of a heated discussion about it, but we both usually drop it after a few exchanges, knowing neither can be convinced, and knowing the relationship is more important.

In the end you have to look at it this way....

1. Is the truther-friend in question a good person? Is their heart in the right place? If yes, then you have to bite your tongue, and realize that in the end, neither you and I, or them, are going to make a row of beans difference. Let them have their beliefs. People believe in all sorts of things.

2. If they have gone over the edge in a more dangerous way, calling for armed revolution, or swearing they would kill debunkers, that sort of thing, then a friendly nudge towards psych counselling may well be in order. Possibly even a severance of the relationship.

TAM:)

[tomwaits]

This is not our only problem, but it is a big part of it. I write to you to ask if you have any advice on how to bring somebody back once they have obviously flipped like he has. Our counselor, a Psychologist (PhD), has told me that we are better off not trying that route because it is very difficult.

From my experience on this board, it isn't just "very difficult", it's damn near impossible.

[uk_dave]

In some ways I have a modicum of respect for those who allow their belief in the 911ct change their lives. I mean, it damn well should change a persons life. Sadly, of course, they are barking (mad) up the wrong tree.

But the ones I can have no respect for are those who claim to believe this outrageous 911ct fantasy, and yet, apart from losing some friends in the real world and finding some new friends online, it appears to have no impact on their lives whatsoever.

They don't give up their jobs and sell the house and head to the hills.

They don't put themselves in any personal danger (apart from the thrilling imaginary danger in their heads....which soon dissipates when they have a video to promote and need to come out from behind their screen names)

They just .... talk. Endlessly.

[T.A.M.]

Most truthers are examples of that which they despise. They are the people who will not speak out for fear of losing a job, or being called crazy by their friends. You think about it, if what they suggest happened, really happened, then they are standing around allowing the perps to go free, with little more than a cyber-whimper.

Pathetic really.

TAM:)

[LashL]

In some ways I have a modicum of respect for those who allow their belief in the 911ct change their lives. I mean, it damn well should change a persons life. Sadly, of course, they are barking (mad) up the wrong tree.

But the ones I can have no respect for are those who claim to believe this outrageous 911ct fantasy, and yet, apart from losing some friends in the real world and finding some new friends online, it appears to have no impact on their lives whatsoever.

They don't give up their jobs and sell the house and head to the hills.

They don't put themselves in any personal danger (apart from the thrilling imaginary danger in their heads....which soon dissipates when they have a video to promote and need to come out from behind their screen names)

They just .... talk. Endlessly.

Very well said, that.

[CptColumbo]

The problem today is that parents aren't strict.

My dad was so strict he didn't allow any drinking in the house.

Two of my brothers died of thirst.:)

[Arus808]

eeghad. i have a co-worker who believes what Alex Jones says. I even had an argument with him about it, since i said that Alex JOnes was a fraud. He flipped. Now, I just never mention alex jones in front of him.

[uk_dave]

eeghad. i have a co-worker who believes what Alex Jones says. I even had an argument with him about it, since i said that Alex JOnes was a fraud. He flipped. Now, I just never mention alex jones in front of him.

That really should be the other way round.....

He should never mention Alex Jones in front of you.

[Stellafane]

It takes a village to raise an idiot.

I strongly resemble this remark!