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Caper
7th December 2007, 03:52 PM
http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzRmMjdiODg3OWMyMzFkZTYwMmJjNWI2MGJhOTZmMzY=

Re the breaking news that the CIA destroyed the videotapes of interrogations with 2 terror suspects, you might have seen that the tapes of the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah were destroyed.

You might also recall that in my 2003 NYT bestseller (reached #2), Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, my last chapter was titled, "The Interrogation." Based on two active US intelligence sources, I was the first to disclose Zubaydah's interrogation. To date, I am the only reporter to have printed the info about what happened to him.

Zubaydah, wounded when he was captured in Pakistan, was fooled in a fake flag operation to believe that the Saudis held him. Instead of being afraid of the ‘Saudis,’ he demanded to talk to three Saudi princes (one, the nephew of the King, who happened to be in the U.S. on 9/11). He gave his interrogators the private cell phone numbers of all 3. He did the same regarding the chief of Pakistan's air force.

After the U.S. told the Saudis and Pakistanis of Zubaydah's finger pointing, all four men had tragic 'accidents.' The King's nephew died of complications from liposuction at the age of 43. A day later, the 41 year old Prince named by Zubaydah died in a one-car accident on his way to the funeral of the King’s nephew. The third named prince, age 25, died a week later of "thirst," according to the Saudi Royal Court. And shortly after that, the chief of Pakistan’s air force died when his plane exploded with his wife and 15 of his top aides on board

When my book was published, CIA officials trashed it 'off the record,' but made no public comment. I have always held the same position. There is (or was) firm evidence of what transpired, of whether my reporting was accurate or not. Make the interrogation tapes public and then we'll know whether one of the top al Qaeda operatives accused leading Saudi royals and a top Pakistani military man - now all dead - of being his sponsors. And accused two of them – the King’s nephew and the Pakistani air force chief – of having advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks. Now, suddenly coincidence of coincidence, the CIA says the Zubaydah interrogation tapes are destroyed. How convenient.

Gravy
7th December 2007, 04:17 PM
That's a juicy one. Has anyone read Frum's 9/11 book?

gumboot
7th December 2007, 04:58 PM
It's important to note that we have no independent evidence that Zubaydah ever named these people. It's worth pointing out that all died before Posner published his book, and all other sources have denied that Zubaydah ever named these people.

In particular Prince Ahmed bin Salman invested heavily in the US horse racing industry and was known to have eagerly embraced American western culture.

The four "mysterious" deaths are not really so mysterious. There's about 7,000 members of the House of Saud (as many as 25,000 by some accounts). Based on Saudi Arabia's death rate of 3.7, 26 members of the Royal Family die every year. Or 2 a month.

The first was a heart attack - not a surprising fate for the member of a family that lives a live of gross excess. The second was a car accident - again unsurprising given the famous love of powerful cars that many members of that family have (and how they drive them). The last died of thirst in the Arabian Desert in temperatures of 45 degrees C.

The Pakistani chief of Air Force died in a plane crash, and often conspiracy sites cite that it was perfect weather. In reality a multitude of news reports from the time of the crash report the mountainous region where the aircraft crashed had experienced bad weather for many days leading up to the crash with strong winds and heavy rain. Conditions on the Thursday itself were poor as well.

The aircraft the chief was flying in was a Fokker F-27 Friendship. With 793 aircraft built, and 160 hull losses (a rate of 20.1%), this 50 year old aircraft has a pretty poor safety record.

-Gumboot

Brainster
7th December 2007, 05:07 PM
Good job, Andrew! This bit makes me very suspicious:

There is (or was) firm evidence of what transpired, of whether my reporting was accurate or not.

LashL
7th December 2007, 10:41 PM
That's a juicy one. Has anyone read Frum's 9/11 book?


As far as I know, Frum hasn't written a book about 9/11, so the answer is 'no'.

(Am I giving away the plot by mentioning that the book referred to in the cited post is more Gerald Posner conspiracy nonsense?)

Jonnyclueless
8th December 2007, 04:31 AM
watch out for those fake flags!

LastChild
8th December 2007, 06:57 AM
Now, suddenly coincidence of coincidence, the CIA says the Zubaydah interrogation tapes are destroyed. How convenient.

Coincidence of coincidence seems to be the running theme of the official version so just throw it on the pile with the rest of the nonsense.

gumboot
8th December 2007, 12:02 PM
Coincidence of coincidence seems to be the running theme of the official version so just throw it on the pile with the rest of the nonsense.

It's rather convenient for Posner.

-Gumboot

LashL
8th December 2007, 10:28 PM
Coincidence of coincidence seems to be the running theme of the official version so just throw it on the pile with the rest of the nonsense.

1) What do you mean by "coincidence of coincidence"?

2) Are you suggesting that coincidences do not occur, and that if they do occur, they are somehow suspect? Please elaborate.

3) What is "the nonsense" to which you refer? Please be specific.