[Merged]Xena's no plane threads

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/7C5AF157976F4DDBA59B8680F6FF55BA/foxed-out-part1.aspx

http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/657CD4D25BE94F1F8D9BEF38371BDF58/foxed-out-part2-reloaded-.aspx

[maxpower1227]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/maxpower01/facepalmgp4.gif

[Gazpacho]

I've never seen the city of New York except in MSM footage. How can I be sure it exists?

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

Come on...

This is a good video.

I expected more from you guys.

[Gravy]

Ah, I didn't know Xena was one of these people. How sad. Off to ignore she goes.

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/1666F9D3661E461EA858D7300117BAEF/911taboo-trial-cut-part-1.aspx

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/20B1D80FABD140D28DA9B5FFB0A2CB3E/911taboo-trial-cut-part-2.aspx

[Totovader]

Come on...

This is a good video.

I expected more from you guys.

When you provide no argument, this is all you deserve.

:drool:

[Totovader]

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/1666F9D3661E461EA858D7300117BAEF/911taboo-trial-cut-part-1.aspx

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/20B1D80FABD140D28DA9B5FFB0A2CB3E/911taboo-trial-cut-part-2.aspx

Reported for spamming.

You need to stop this.

[PixyMisa]

Well, I'm convinced. Fox News is an inside job!

[Plantfoam]

Good job...way to take audio clips from the initial confusion and then use that confusion as "proof" that there were no planes. Genius.

Also, why do these videos always start out with quotes from Hitler or Goerring?

I guess it doesn't surprise me.

[Corsair 115]

All I can say from a quick view of the start of it is the point at 7:21 about the skyline uses two completely different camera angles. The second angle was taken from a higher elevation than the first and is looking in a different direction.

This negates the idea that the background should have necessarily been visible in the 9/11 camera shot.


I like the caption given to the video:

"IT'S CASE CLOSED FOR 9/11 TV FAKERY. I WILL NOW CONFIDENTLY STATE IT IS UTTERLY UNDISPROVABLE"

Undisprovable? Is that a word?

[boloboffin]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/boloboffin2/911/omgcolapslike.jpg

[qarnos]

Undisprovable? Is that a word?

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

[PixyMisa]

Undisprovable? Is that a word?
It's a perfectly cromulent word.

[LashL]

http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/7C5AF157976F4DDBA59B8680F6FF55BA/foxed-out-part1.aspx

http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/657CD4D25BE94F1F8D9BEF38371BDF58/foxed-out-part2-reloaded-.aspx



It is poor form to post links to videos without any comment or explanation whatsoever of what they are about.

So, what are these videos about and what is your take on them?

[Hokulele]

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

It's a perfectly cromulent word.


OK, that's funny.

[Plantfoam]

All I can say from a quick view of the start of it is the point at 7:21 about the skyline uses two completely different camera angles. The second angle was taken from a higher elevation than the first and is looking in a different direction.

This negates the idea that the background should have necessarily been visible in the 9/11 camera shot.


I like the caption given to the video:

"IT'S CASE CLOSED FOR 9/11 TV FAKERY. I WILL NOW CONFIDENTLY STATE IT IS UTTERLY UNDISPROVABLE"

Undisprovable? Is that a word?

Maybe? I'm confuddled.

In general, it seems as if no-planers have difficulty accepting that light from different angles has inherently different qualities.

*blocks out the sun with hand* Oh noes, my hand is black now!!

[Corsair 115]

I had to go look up what cromulent meant... and now a new word has entered my vocabulary!

[qarnos]

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

Ha! I winz! :D

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

Ah, I didn't know Xena was one of these people. How sad. Off to ignore she goes.
Mark Roberts.... what do you mean "one of these people"?

I am a person too....

[fromdownunder]

OK, Xena we have evidence of your ability to post links. How about evidence that you can use a keyboard for other purposes - like putting a case. Oh, wait. Please refrain from personal insults.
Norm

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

It is poor form to post links to videos without any comment or explanation whatsoever of what they are about.

So, what are these videos about and what is your take on them?
It is??? Poor form???

Is there a link that explains proper JREF forum etiquette?

[Corsair 115]

Mark Roberts.... what do you mean "one of these people"?I believe he is referring to "no planers," that is, folks who think no aircraft hit the WTC towers and that all the video footage was faked, and that all the eyewitnesses were mistaken - or fooled - or something (explaining away the many eyewitnesses has always been problematic for no planers).

[PixyMisa]

Ha! I winz! :D
Pppptp! :pitongue:

[Coffee]

Mark Roberts.... what do you mean "one of these people"?

I am a person too....

You're a person he has put on ignore therefore a response from him may not be forthcoming. Get it?

[Good Lt]

Failpost.

[Corsair 115]

It is??? Poor form???

Is there a link that explains proper JREF forum etiquette?I think this would fall under the term "common courtesy." It's just courteous to let folks know what a link contains so they have some idea if it's something they want to follow or not.

[Good Lt]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/boloboffin2/911/omgcolapslike.jpg
LOLz

[Coffee]

I think this would fall under the term "common courtesy." It's just courteous to let folks know what a link contains so they have some idea if it's something they want to follow or not.

Exactly.

Example: If someone posts a video of two lepers wrestling naked in vanilla pudding, people would like to know that before they clicked the link. I mean something like that shouldn't be a surprise.

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

You're a person he has put on ignore therefore a response from him may not be forthcoming. Get it?
No... I don't get it. Can you explain this to me Coffee. Why would he put me on ignore? Is Mark Roberts unable to debunk no plane theory or tv fakery???

[Totovader]

Can I just point out that the "no plane theory" and "tv fakery" debunks itself?

Typical conspiracist credo, however: if someone ignores me, it's because I'm on to something.

Tell me, Xena- how do you know the difference between someone ignoring you because you're bat-poo deranged, and someone ignoring you because they're oh-so-scared of your intelligence?

Posting a bunch of links is supposed to be threatening, right?

[~enigma~]

No... I don't get it. Can you explain this to me Coffee. Why would he put me on ignore? Is Mark Roberts unable to debunk no plane theory or tv fakery???
Mark Roberts doesn't want to waste his time and neither do I because all the people that believe no planes hit the wtc are more crazy than a long ton of guano and the most disrespectful and insensitive bunch of idiots in existance. Welcome to ignore from me also.

[Hokulele]

No planes have been discussed in these threads:

http://forums.randi.org/tags/index.php/no-planes/

and these:

http://forums.randi.org/tags/index.php/no-planers/

these:

http://forums.randi.org/tags/index.php/no-planer/

and this:

http://forums.randi.org/tags/index.php/no-plane/

And the TV nonsense has been discussed to death in these:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=88695
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=82280


After reading through this material, let me know if you have any specific questions.

[Good Lt]

You do realize, Hokulele, that Xena won't read any of those links.

It's inconvenient and damaging to the Troofer mind to read such things.

[Hokulele]

You do realize, Hokulele, that Xena won't read any of those links.

It's inconvenient and damaging to the Troofer mind to read such things.


What can I say, I'm bored. Maybe this will be helpful for someone who hasn't seen this rubbish before. :)

[Coffee]

No... I don't get it. Can you explain this to me Coffee. Why would he put me on ignore? Is Mark Roberts unable to debunk no plane theory or tv fakery???

I cannot speak for Mark Roberts as I do not know him, therefore I will not assume to speculate on the reason why he has you on ignore. Also I cannot vouch for what he can or cannot debunk. I can only tell you that he has put you on ignore because he stated as much in this very thread. I was merely pointing out to you that you should not expect a reply from him that is all.

[Good Lt]

Is Mark Roberts unable to debunk no plane theory or tv fakery???

Here's a thought experiment. I'm not going to respond to your no-planer conspiracy fantasies because they are so ludicrous that they do not merit serious attention.

THAT MUST LOGICALLY MEAN I CAN'T DEBUNK THE NO-PLANERS!!! OH NOES!!!2

That's how it works, no?

[tomwaits]

For God's sake, Xena, you are unhealthily obsessed with Mark Roberts. Perhaps you should discuss this with your shrink?

[joobz]

I think we have another problem here. Please note the time stamps of these two posts.

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

They are both at 1:02am EST.

Now, how can the EXACT SAME POST, come up at the EXACT SAME TIME, from two different people?!?!?!
I think the secret is in the screen names
now, qarnos is an anogram for "Roq ons" or "Rock ons!"
While PixyMisa is obviously a subtle change from "PixyMesa"
Pixy implies little.
Mesa is a geological formation.

from dictionary.com
land formation, less extensive than a plateau, having steep walls and a relatively flat top and common in arid and semiarid parts of the southwestern U.S. and Mexico

Now, what little mesa do we all know of?
The Mash Patato scene from Close encounters of a third kind.

So we have here is a coded message to
"Rock Ons the mashed Patatoes"

I think we all must be willing to accept the very real possibility that
qarnos and PixyMisa are, in fact, Aleins trying to cover up 9/11.

[Arus808]

I ask that we stop responding to truthers, who refuse to learn, and rather just come here to stir the @#$%

[LashL]

It is??? Poor form???

Yes, it is.

It is apparent to anyone with at least two arcing braincells that posting a link to a video, without providing any comment or context, is poor form. You should know that if you've been posting on internet forums for any length of time.

It's not a "rule", of course, that you have to do so, but among intelligent people, it is expected that some context and comment will be provided.


Is there a link that explains proper JREF forum etiquette?

Of course, there is. Did you not read the membership agreement when you signed up?

That said, the membership agreement does not address posting links to videos without comment or context because, as mentioned above, it is not a "rule". It is a matter of common courtesy and "internet courtesy" which should not have to be incorporated into a "rule".

It seems that you are trying awfully hard to avoid commenting on or providing any context for the video that you linked. That seems silly to me. This is a discussion forum, after all. Do you have nothing to say about your posted link? No opinion to share? No position to argue?

Why are you so afraid to provide any comment or context, and so afraid to offer your opinion about something that you posted yourself? The only conclusion that I can draw is that it is because you are unwilling and/or incapable of supporting your views.

[Arus808]

reported for spamming. xena, would do well not to post links to video, unless she states why she is posting it and what relevance they have to us and to her

[Gazpacho]

Xena, can you help me understand why someone's first reaction to something in a TV video they don't understand would be "the MSM conspired in the deaths of 3000 civilians" as opposed to "there are things about the TV business and technology that I don't know"?

[1337m4n]

Spamming links with no explanation or description whatsoever.

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/97/Gtfo5.jpg

[uk_dave]

Xena, can you help me understand why someone's first reaction to something in a TV video they don't understand would be "the government / NWO conspired to kill 3000 civilians" as opposed to "there are things about the TV business and technology that I don't know"?

I'll hazard a guess that it's because 'truthers' believe they know everything about everything (unlike us poor blinkered sheeple), that they can do any job without any training, can solve any equation without any education and can claim '911 woz an inside job' without having a single clue.

[leftysergeant]

Frankly, I consider the entire September Clues series to be more than a little misleading and totally lacking in evidenciary value. Like in the second clip, where we are supposed to track the movements of the helicopters labeled Jim and Bob. To me they appeared synchronized, but not to the poster of the video clips. It would appear to me that he deliberately used different camera angles and expected us to assume that both objects would folow the same trajectory when viewed from different angles.

Simply put, he's a freaking moron who thinks himself a better analyst than he actually is. If this jerk is not Killclown, he could well be his mentor.

[waltdakind]

So after being chided for failing to provide commentary or context for the links to video in the previous post Xena's response was to post two more links without commentary or context?

This does so little for promoting reasonable discourse. It is entirely non-cromulent.

Once banned (for spamming), my guess is that Xena's claim will be that the JREF tried to suppress the message because it contained too much truth.

(The second post was probably made by a CIA stooge who is set upon discrediting Xena)

[jhunter1163]

JREF: Promoting Cromulence Since 1996.

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

Reported for spamming?

Are you serious????

I thought skeptics debunked 9/11 "truthers"?

What a joke.

Either debunk it, or don't respond to the thread. You are all an embarrassment...

[Brainache]

Reported for spamming?

Are you serious????

I thought skeptics debunked 9/11 "truthers"?

What a joke.

Either debunk it, or don't respond to the thread. You are all an embarrassment...

What's to debunk? What's it about Xena? My computer isn't playing videos right now, care to summarise?

[LashL]

Reported for spamming?

Are you serious????

I thought skeptics debunked 9/11 "truthers"?

What a joke.

Either debunk it, or don't respond to the thread. You are all an embarrassment...

Unlike the twoofer sites that you are used to, little man, around here we expect comment and context, and not just spam. Comment and context are important as they give rise to rational discussion and debate. Spamming links to videos without comment or context, on the other hand, is just stupid and juvenile.

[Gazpacho]

Xena, can you explain to me why someone's first reaction to something in a TV video they don't understand would be "the MSM conspired in the deaths of 3000 civilians and fabricated an entire day of history" as opposed to "there are things about the TV business and technology that I don't know"?

[Oliver]

Reported for spamming?

Are you serious????

I thought skeptics debunked 9/11 "truthers"?

What a joke.

Either debunk it, or don't respond to the thread. You are all an embarrassment...


You should add a description or introduction to a new topic,
just posting some links without any information is pretty
impolite - unless everyone knows what the links are about,
for example:

"Paris Hilton Prison Video

Enjoy:
[Videolink]"

[fromdownunder]

Reported for spamming?

Are you serious????

I thought skeptics debunked 9/11 "truthers"?

What a joke.

Either debunk it, or don't respond to the thread. You are all an embarrassment...

Thank you for showing that you are totally incapable of articulating your own arguments. You are a beacon of light, showing us the full capabilties and debating skills of the truth movement.

Norm

[Gazpacho]

Also, Xena, fabricating an entire day of terrifying events right smack in the most densely populated part of the US seems like a rather risky thing to do in one take, so have your no-planer buds uncovered any evidence of test runs for this specific sort of fakery?

[Normal Dude]

I didn't click on the link. I was too scared of the Truth.

[Stellafane]

I take this thread as further proof the 9/11 CT movement is dead. When your entire argument consists of links and insults, you're done, no more relevant than passed gas on an elevator (and no more worthy of notice or comment). The level of discussion for 9/11 CTers recently have obviously gone downhill -- which, considering the low level they originally started at, I scarcely thought was even possible.

9/11 Truth Movement: rest in peace, you oxymoronic little cult.

[Malamule]

wow, it's hard for me to actually gin up enough effort to hit the ignore list but this woo was enough.

[jhunter1163]

I take this thread as further proof the 9/11 CT movement is dead. When your entire argument consists of links and insults, you're done, no more relevant than passed gas on an elevator (and no more worthy of notice or comment). The level of discussion for 9/11 CTers recently have obviously gone downhill -- which, considering the low level they originally started at, I scarcely thought was even possible.

9/11 Truth Movement: rest in peace, you oxymoronic little cult.

This is incorrect. Passed gas on an elevator is FAR more noticeable and worthy of comment than the Truth movement.

[JimBenArm]

This is incorrect. Passed gas on an elevator is FAR more noticeable and worthy of comment than the Truth movement.
And far more socially acceptable!

[jhunter1163]

I imagine that elevator gas-passers have more than 4.6% support among the general population.

[MetalliSociety]

Ok, using a completely minor fraction of quotes from that day, what about the people that said they did see a plane, are they government shills or something?

And using certain videos or right as the explosion happened in the 2nd towers, or using the angles that are on the other side from where the plane hit is their evidence? And you're calling us pathetic. This is rediculous.

And don't even try to say that no noe at groud zero saw no planes.

They wonder why most people aren't paying attention to the second plane until seconds before impact. maybe cause the other tower was burning like mad?

I begin to see why even the delusional Dylan Avery bans no planers from his forum.

[MetalliSociety]

And isn't the outside portion of the building made of aluminum?

[TjW]

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

That double-post bug is getting stranger.

[BenBurch]

I'm no sheeple.

I'm also not willing to take down Bush with a lie because that is how HE operates. (And because it never pays to lie.)

We have to be *better* than he is at all times and in all respects or we are no alternative at all.

[BenBurch]

Well, I'm convinced. Fox News is an inside job!

Pass the loofah.

[Architect]

I'm no sheeple.

I'm also not willing to take down Bush with a lie because that is how HE operates. (And because it never pays to lie.)



His chopper flew in to Prestwick during the G8 summit and flew about 400 yards south of my house. I could have taken him down with a missle, but alas........

[BenBurch]

...(explaining away the many eyewitnesses has always been problematic for no planers).

Well, they don't so much try to explain them away as say that NOBODY was looking except on TV. I had one tell me "OK, so you are in Chicago near the Sears Tower, how often do you look up at it?" And was told I was a liar when I said. "Every few seconds."

And its true, skyscrapers fascinate me as machines and as the most audacious of human creations; I have to look at them.

[parky76]

I have to agree. Unless some monunmental new evidence comes out, or Bill Clinton becomes a truther, the Truth Movemant is indeed over. I think it died after LC:FC failed to spark a revolution...or even a gathering of atleast 1,000 people at GZ on 9-11.

[Stellafane]

...I expected more from you guys.

And I expect nothing from people who contributions consist solely of links and middle-school insults. The difference is, my expectations are usually met.

[Par]

Is this fellow P'Dope or Killtown or someone like that?

[Drudgewire]

Can I just point out that the "no plane theory" and "tv fakery" debunks itself?
I believe the scientific term for debunking those particular theories is "they're so [rule10]ing stupid no sane person could possibly take them seriously."

[T.A.M.]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_107614750a95093d8c.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9517)

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_107614750a95093d8c.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=9517)

Two for two on starting Threads no-planer.

TAM:)

[BenBurch]

His chopper flew in to Prestwick during the G8 summit and flew about 400 yards south of my house. I could have taken him down with a missle, but alas........

That darned Guy Fawkes law! ;)

[beachnut]

http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/7C5AF157976F4DDBA59B8680F6FF55BA/foxed-out-part1.aspx

http://www.livevideo.com/video/socialservice/657CD4D25BE94F1F8D9BEF38371BDF58/foxed-out-part2-reloaded-.aspx
Moronic tripe. What is the problem, are you unable to recognize total junk from liars and morons? This stuff is so bad, it reflects on the poster who is unable to make a rational comment.

See the first few post, they sum it up much more eloquently.

[beachnut]

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/1666F9D3661E461EA858D7300117BAEF/911taboo-trial-cut-part-1.aspx

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/20B1D80FABD140D28DA9B5FFB0A2CB3E/911taboo-trial-cut-part-2.aspx
Why do you post the most moronic tripe videos on the internet? By not having rational comments to explain this moronic puke, you become one with the lies these videos fail to make stick. Failure is the key as others have posted.

Why post lies? Oh, this is all 9/11 truth has! pathetic

weak

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You do realize, Hokulele, that Xena won't read any of those links.

It's inconvenient and damaging to the Troofer mind to read such things.
That begs the question; you're assuming they have a mind to damage.

[Good Lt]

You're right.

It's damaging to the hivemind. That's probably more accurate.

[Quad4_72]

No... I don't get it. Can you explain this to me Coffee. Why would he put me on ignore? Is Mark Roberts unable to debunk no plane theory or tv fakery???

Most of the posters here do not tolerate such a low form of intelligence. Some are bold enough to actually discuss ridiculous matters as no planes but the rest of us it just hurts the brain to much.

[MetalliSociety]

No... I don't get it. Can you explain this to me Coffee. Why would he put me on ignore? Is Mark Roberts unable to debunk no plane theory or tv fakery???

He put you on ignore for the same reason Dylan Avery bans you no planers from his LC Forum. Because no plane theories are so stupid and impossible that not even LTW believes it.

This like the other videos you posted, are terrible.

[A W Smith]

Xena there is no need to .. ahem.. "debunk a visual fakery no plane theory" The subscription to such a theory itself results in a diagnosis of mental illness.. Once a person had made this leap off the precipice of sanity. There is no logical reason to debate. Which is why you are on ignore. Please seek professional help.

[tomwaits]

Watch any amateur video that shows the planes hitting the towers.

There, I just debunked no-plane theory.

[BenBurch]

Xena there is no need to .. ahem.. "debunk a visual fakery no plane theory" The subscription to such a theory itself results in a diagnosis of mental illness.. Once a person had made this leap off the precipice of sanity. There is no logical reason to debate. Which is why you are on ignore. Please seek professional help.

Absolutely. Denying the evidence of ones senses to the point where an object is not even seen is a serious problem and requires medical intervention, sometimes even involuntary intervention.

[tomwaits]

Incompetence.

[pomeroo]

No... I don't get it. Can you explain this to me Coffee. Why would he put me on ignore? Is Mark Roberts unable to debunk no plane theory or tv fakery???


It is understandable that Mark refuses to dignify the no-planers with a response as they are insane. For what it's worth, here's how I sent Morgan Reynolds running away with his tail between his legs in our recent e-mail debate.

Reynolds blathers nonsense about video fakery, the same nonsense Ace Baker used to peddle on this forum. People here who know a great deal about video analysis patiently explained the errors he was making, but Ace, sad to say, is incapable of challenging his crippling delusions. The no-plane madness doesn't require recourse to video analysis, however.

People who watched Flight 175 crash into the South Tower from the street, from their cars as they crossed the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges, and from their office and apartment windows number in the tens of thousands. Quite possibly there are as many as a quarter of a million eyewitnesses. I happen to know three people who watched the crash. I questioned one of them, the wife of one of my closest friends, and informed her of the existence of lunatics who pretend that no planes hit the Towers. She responded in a way that speaks for all those who have had this tragic event stamped on the brains for the rest of their lives. She wanted to know how the no-planers' deception is supposed to work. She and and several co-workers gathered by a window of their office building on East 39 Street, all eyes riveted on the WTC complex. That scene was duplicated in every office in the building. Do the loons, she wants to know, imagine they can trick her into thinking that she didn't actually see a plane hit the South Tower? Or, do they imagine they can sell the idea that she and her co-workers are operatives in the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy?

You see, the greatest problem facing the no-planers is that the thousands of people who observed the crash of Flight 175 with their own eyes will not be talked out of their most indelible memory. The eyewitnesses will always regard the no-planers as exactly what they are: raving maniacs.

[Brainache]

I take this thread as further proof the 9/11 CT movement is dead. When your entire argument consists of links and insults, you're done, no more relevant than passed gas on an elevator (and no more worthy of notice or comment). The level of discussion for 9/11 CTers recently have obviously gone downhill -- which, considering the low level they originally started at, I scarcely thought was even possible.

9/11 Truth Movement: rest in peace, you oxymoronic little cult.

I think you made a typo in that last line...

[qarnos]

I think you made a typo in that last line...

When I first read it, I thought he had. :D

[A W Smith]

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/1666F9D3661E461EA858D7300117BAEF/911taboo-trial-cut-part-1.aspx

http://www.livevideo.com/video/genghis6199/20B1D80FABD140D28DA9B5FFB0A2CB3E/911taboo-trial-cut-part-2.aspx


yeah? so? whats your point? why are you posting two identical OP creating two identical threads? You know thats spamming don't you? is this suicide by mod? I will answer your OP with a nearly identical answer i gave you on your other carbon copy thread.

here goes

Xena Worrisome Princess there is no need to debunk a claim of visual fakery or no plane theory. The subscription to such a theory itself results in a diagnosis of mental illness.. Once a person had made this leap off the precipice of sanity. There is no logical reason to debate. Please seek professional help.

[A W Smith]

Well, they don't so much try to explain them away as say that NOBODY was looking except on TV. I had one tell me "OK, so you are in Chicago near the Sears Tower, how often do you look up at it?" And was told I was a liar when I said. "Every few seconds."

And its true, skyscrapers fascinate me as machines and as the most audacious of human creations; I have to look at them.

Ahh but what if the sears tower was on fire before a second plane would hit it? how many people would you think would focus on it from all 360 degrees? Half million?

[T.A.M.]

Well given the premise of the thread is ridiculous anyway, until it gets sent to AAH or politics, why not derail....

TAM:)

[Coffee]

Well given the premise of the thread is ridiculous anyway, until it gets sent to AAH or politics, why not derail....

TAM:)

< begin no planer mode> You people are purposely derailing this thread because you cannot debunk the video! Your tactics are despicable!!! You cannot debunk it! You cannot debunk it! You cannot debunk! < end no planer mode>

[dbalsdon]

Anyone retarded enough to believe it wasn't a plane, that struck the first tower, based on the footage in the first minute or two of that video, should be put down with an incisively witty comment.

[uk_dave]

Anyone retarded enough to believe it wasn't a plane, that struck the first tower, based on the footage in the first minute or two of that video, should be put down.

....with an incisively witty comment, of course.

[dbalsdon]

Yeah, ofcourse. Sorry, can't believe I completely forgot to put that bit in. :rolleyes: Thanks for the correction.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

< begin no planer mode> You people are purposely derailing this thread because you cannot debunk the video! Your tactics are despicable!!! You cannot debunk it! You cannot debunk it! You cannot debunk! < end no planer mode>
Some things just do not have easy explanations, however that does not make them untrue, regardless of if they are seen on MSN or on Fox.

http://http://chainsawsanders.com/Untitled_20070325_1.MOV


Debunking the impossible is not necessary, because it is impossible on the improbable can exist in this universe not the impossible. NO planers are just impossible.

[dbalsdon]

Sorry, double post.

[Coffee]

Some things just do not have easy explanations, however that does not make them untrue, regardless of if they are seen on MSN or on Fox.

http://http://chainsawsanders.com/Untitled_20070325_1.MOV


Debunking the impossible is not necessary, because it is impossible on the improbable can exist in this universe not the impossible. NO planers are just impossible.

You crushed a rock in your hand???? That's impossible! Fake video! Fake video! :)

[brodski]

politics derail moved here http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100747

[hellaeon]

xena, seriously, you honestly think there were no planes? You cannot concede even slightly this borders on completely ridiculous?

[BenBurch]

How does one reach people like this?

They deny reality and no proof will satisfy them, which sounds like some sort of brittle dogma to me. Funny thing is that a brittle dogma usually is attendant upon some cult figure like Koresh, Jone, or Applewhite, and I cannot imagine who is filling that role here.

[Pardalis]

One can only hope that this kind of person is being monitored by professionals. :(

[peteweaver]

Using a couple of links to back up a reasoned argument of your own is one thing, posting links without any reasoned argument of your own, is another thing entirely...

[fromdownunder]

Xena, I actually have a bonr for you:

There is an Australian pro 9/11 conspiracy site that desparately wants a no planer to play with. I will even link to the thread for you:

http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=1187

Since they believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and that there is a huge cover up, you should have no trouble convincing them to go that one step further and accept that there were not even any planes. From the debating skills you have shown in this thread, it should be a piece of cake.

Norm

[jhunter1163]

Xena, I actually have a bonr for you:

There is an Australian pro 9/11 conspiracy site that desparately wants a no planer to play with. I will even link to the thread for you:

http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=1187

Since they believe that 9/11 was an inside job, and that there is a huge cover up, you should have no trouble convincing them to go that one step further and accept that there were not even any planes. From the debating skills you have shown in this thread, it should be a piece of cake.

Norm

You have a what for Xena?

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You crushed a rock in your hand???? That's impossible! Fake video! Fake video! :)

My whole life seems to be a faked video, no one would believe I was actually real.

http://chainsawsanders.com/Untitled_20061201_1.WMV

[Coffee]

Xena, I actually have a bonr for you:


You have a what for Xena?

I suspect there's an "e" missing from the word "bonr". The question is: does the missing "e" come before the "r" or should the missing "e" be in place of the "r" ?

Either way both instances are open to different interpretations. :)

[jhunter1163]

Typo of the year, either way.... ;)

[Coffee]

Typo of the year, either way.... ;)

Sure is. Could be signature material.

[tomwaits]

I approve the enema that this thread went under. Now we can take the time to discuss more important things....like how a real human could believe that there were no planes that hit the world trade center!!!

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I approve the enema that this thread went under. Now we can take the time to discuss more important things....like how a real human could believe that there were no planes that hit the world trade center!!!


I propose that Xena is not a real human, and that we're all being fooled in some overly-complicated, fanciful, and utterly unnecessary scheme to convince us to attack the "truth movement".

[annexw]

I don't understand what the videos are trying to prove.

That the different new agencies used each others video coverage and reporters during 9/11? Makes sense to use who ever is on the street, that way less people change channels looking for news. Ditto for the footage, use the best.

I don't work in TV, but when something major happens and one network has good feed, don't all the other networks attempt to jump on for a price? If yes, that's what happened here.

The FOX removed the footage of the second plane crashing from the archive? While I find that odd, I can understand it. Epically since it was affiliate coverage.

The claim of 'this resembles no photo ever' (to paraphrase): Well, no. its medium to high res video on zoom. Which explains the 'odd' wildlife in the background, they wouldn't be in good focus, the eye catches them.

The "5 sec fade to black?" NY Today says on the first video that their transponder was on one of the twin towers. It got hit, the 'fade' happened, switched to a back-up transponder.

Someone else has covered the two helicopters and the different angles on the film, so no need to over that.

I have, officially, spent to much time on this.

[Stellafane]

I think you made a typo in that last line...

Not really. Most twoofers know what it's like to be inside a cult.

[BenBurch]

Correct, feeds to disasters often come from a local affiliate and go to all major networks. And they do pay for it, bit mostly it is a mutual aide agreement.

[Gazpacho]

Anyone who has worked in video technology (and that doesn't mean just watching videos on the internet or editing videos on your PC) knows that it is near impossible to get two different systems to reproduce the same colors. Nobody has to "tamper" with video to mess up the color. It happens for free.

[BenBurch]

Anyone who has worked in video technology (and that doesn't mean just watching videos on the internet or editing videos on your PC) knows that it is near impossible to get two different systems to reproduce the same colors. Nobody has to "tamper" with video to mess up the color. It happens for free.

That is changing, but in 2001 everything was still all analog, or had analog steps in the process.

[qarnos]

That is changing, but in 2001 everything was still all analog, or had analog steps in the process.

Well, the photons are still analog. :D

[gumboot]

Xena, I actually have a bonr for you:


I always preferred Gabrielle myself. Especially once she had short hair.

-Gumboot

[abenja1]

No plane theory........
Worst. CT. Ever.

[Corsair 115]

Anyone who has worked in video technology (and that doesn't mean just watching videos on the internet or editing videos on your PC) knows that it is near impossible to get two different systems to reproduce the same colors.I remember a guy familiar with the technical side of television saying it this way: "NTSC — Never Twice the Same Colour." :D

[uk_dave]

And PAL is 'Picture Always Lousy' :D

[tomwaits]

I suspect there's an "e" missing from the word "bonr". The question is: does the missing "e" come before the "r" or should the missing "e" be in place of the "r" ?

Either way both instances are open to different interpretations. :)

By looking at the keyboard and letters that are next to eachother, I've determined the word was either "bong", "bohr" (as in Niels Bohr), or Bond....james bond.

[eromitlab]

just to see how ridiculous the claims are. The deal with the Fox 5 clip being credited as WABC and shown on CNN and WTTG (Fox 5 in Washington DC; Fox's New York City affiliate WNYW also goes by Fox 5) is that WABC and WTTG have something in common... an affiliation with CNN. Mostly, this affiliation has to do with getting broadcast material from CNN. WABC has a live camera trained on WTC after the crash, as part of their coverage of the crash. Since it's a pretty major disaster, their feed is uplinked to CNN. WTTG, as a CNN affiliate, dials it up on their satellite receiver and throws it on air as part of their local coverage of the national disaster, before the national coverage kicks in.

Where is the Manhattan skyline? The camera was shooting from Midtown towards the Financial District and the background would be Staten Island or possibly the docks around Jersey City. Plus, there was smoke from, you know, the plane hitting and exploding into a fireball.

Next, the shot of the tower and the interview on the street. Virtually all TV stations have the capability of putting two pictures side-by-side. At my station, it's called (appropriately enough) a double box. Two sources (sometimes more, with snazzier equipment) can be routed and positioned under a graphic. Usually, it's an anchor on one side and reporter on the other. In this case, it's a CNN satellite with the smoking tower and a Fox reporter on the street in New York City, with the WABC courtesy applied locally to the wider smoking tower shot and the change to WNYW to denote a different live camera, the one that's closer in.

I don't know for sure, since I don't work there and wasn't working there that day, but the signal for the live reporter was likely lost due to the local affiliate tuning something in on that satellite without it being cleared from air. TV people aren't infallible. Communication breaks down sometimes in the mad rush to get something on TV.

The switch with the "Good Day NY" logo appearing under the Fox 5 logo isn't confusing at all... the director at WTTG dissolved from the smoking tower alone from WNYW to the uplink of WNYW's broadcast provided by Fox, which had the same smoking tower shot up, and a separate system at WTTG kept their Fox 5 logo on top of it. The director of the local broadcast in Washington still had control over what they were putting on their own channel, hence the switch to the CNN tower shot from WABC to mix things up rather than sit on the same thing. Directors like a little variety every now and then. If they don't, there's likely a producer or manager on the news side of the operation who does, and they don't hesitate to call or visit the booth to order an immediate change.

The Washington anchors "disappearing" by "listening in" on the local coverage is their way of deferring to the national coverage. In all likelihood, WTTG had someone in management (news director or general manager most likely) who saw other networks picking up on the WTC crash on their live national morning shows, felt that Fox was "missing out on the biggest news story of all times !" and felt like they needed to step in locally until Fox picked it up nationally. And given the fact the local anchors stopped in mid-sentence to "listen in" on the local coverage, I'd guess whoever was in the booth producing told them in their earpieces to pitch out to the national coverage. However, the Washington station kept their local on-air operation going through their news control room; I could hear the ambient noise of the Washington anchors' mics being left open, which is common among audio ops to do in case the anchors want to jump in with their insight, or new information. Also, that's why the shot changes... incidentally, back to WABC's shot via CNN.

Different satellite receivers can produce different colors on the same image. There's any number of things... how it was tuned in locally, how it's coming through the satellite uplink via CNN, and any piece of equipment along the line. For example... at my station, when we send our satellite truck out for a story and do a live shot for a newscast, our master control will make the shot available on at least two satellite receivers and sometimes an ENG receiver at our transmitter. Why? Well, in case the shot isn't stable on one receiver, or the lip sync is off, or the color doesn't look right, or the audio isn't as good, or in case the video and/or audio drops out due to signal loss on one receiver.

And wow... it's the same exact time on both broadcasts. ZOMG conspiracy!!!!11!!! Two different TV stations, in cities hundreds of miles apart have their clocks synched up to the minute? That's unpossible! Unless the Bilderbergs got involved, that is.

I have to stop for now... I can feel brain cells dying. Those videos constitute the worst 9/11 conspiracy evidence ever. Ever.

[The Shank]

You should add a description or introduction to a new topic,
just posting some links without any information is pretty
impolite - unless everyone knows what the links are about,
for example:

"Paris Hilton Prison Video

Enjoy:
[Videolink]"


I have spent the last five minutes clicking where it says "Paris Hilton Prison Video".

Why am I not seeing a Paris Hilton Prison Video?

I demand to see it, NOW godammit.

[PB2007]

I have spent the last five minutes clicking where it says "Paris Hilton Prison Video".

Why am I not seeing a Paris Hilton Prison Video?

I demand to see it, NOW godammit.

You can't see it, because you don't want to see it.

Open your eyes.

[/twoofer]

[T.A.M.]

I think XWP is the proxy of Ace Baker (Seek Username: Truthseeker1234 here at JREF...now Banned).

It has been a long time since we had a no-planer to pla--, to discuss things with.

Refreshing.

TAM:)

[chillzero]

Do you think we can get this thread back out of the gutter, and on topic?

I'll have a look at merging them later, if appropriate.

[JimBenArm]

Do you think we can get this thread back out of the gutter, and on topic?

I'll have a look at merging them later, if appropriate.
But we like the gutter! It's where we feel most at home!
At least I do.

[pomeroo]

Reported for spamming?

Are you serious????

I thought skeptics debunked 9/11 "truthers"?

What a joke.

Either debunk it, or don't respond to the thread. You are all an embarrassment...



Uh, "Xena" (funny name for a guy), how about responding to the FACT that made the deranged Morgan Reynolds flee from his e-mail debate with me? I'm talking about the 100,000-250,000 EYEWITNESSES to Flight 175's crash into the South Tower. Some of us live in NYC, you know.

[pomeroo]

I think you made a typo in that last line...


Twoofers took the "oxy" out of "oxymorons."

[BenBurch]

And remember; With WTC went a lot of television assets. They had to work with what they had in terms of remaining equipment.

[Belz...]

I always preferred Gabrielle myself. Especially once she had short hair.

-Gumboot

Ahhh... Callisto...

[TjW]

Let us pray to Aphrodite
She wears a see-through nighty
When she inhales, god almighty!
It's good enough for me.

[fromdownunder]

For those that were kind enough to comment on my typo:

Lucy Lawless: add an "e" between "n" and "r"
Xena Poster: remove the "r", replace with "e"

Norm

[fromdownunder]

Ahhh... Callisto...

Mmmmmmm.... Hudson Leik

Norm

[tomwaits]

Incompetence.

LOL, this quote was actually meant to be in the politics derail of the thread in which i was talking about bush...but it still fits the context of the truthers.




Anyway, I think I have this figured out. "Xena" is actually, in fact, supposed to be "Xenu", the 75 million year old galactic dictator who brought humans to earth and killed them using hydrogen bombs according to L. Ron Hubbard (blessed be his name). We're through the looking glass here people...:eye-poppi

[jhunter1163]

For those that were kind enough to comment on my typo:

Lucy Lawless: add an "e" between "n" and "r"
Xena Poster: remove the "r", replace with "e"

Norm

I wholeheartedly concur.