UN/NWO plan to reduce the world’s population by 80%

[Malmoesoldier]

And how do you suppose to do this? The UN does not control this sort of thing. They are going to need a much better plan.



You should quote where you copy and paisted this response from. You wouldn't want people to accuse you of plagiarism.

UN has much power and the fact that they actually state someting like that is sick. And as the facts show they have put in alot for work they dont only talk, they have not killed billions but they have put in work.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200212 %5CCUL20021206b.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/02/24/un.population/

[annexw]

"It is going to be a strain on the world, but it seems feasible," said Hania Zlotnik, director of the U.N. Population Division. "It doesn't seem that there is a crisis coming, [but] that doesn't mean that some countries are not facing a crisis."

That is a quote from the CNN article you linked to in regard to the worlds population topping 9.5 billion. Tell me how that supports your position please?

[Brainache]

Umm Malmoe, I asked for YOUR thoughts on these questions. What did I get? Something regurgitated from PrisonPlanet:

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/070507depopulation.htm

Do you have any thoughts of your own or do you just believe everything that the liars at PP tell you?

[mrbaracuda]

It is commonly accepted that the entire world population could all fit into the state of Texas and each have an acre of their own land.

He didn't just say that, did he? :boggled:
Anyway, answer my questions, Malmo. Especially the one about how Sweden fits into the evil plan of.. them. :boxedin:

ETA

Umm Malmoe, I asked for YOUR thoughts on these questions. What did I get? Something regurgitated from PrisonPlanet:

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Do you have any thoughts of your own or do you just believe everything that the liars at PP tell you?

:eye-poppi Oh my. It all makes sense now. But what I don't get is his post count here. :boxedin:

[dudalb]

Is Malmoesoldier trying for a Stundie Lifetime Acheivment award?

[Malmoesoldier]

Umm Malmoe, I asked for YOUR thoughts on these questions. What did I get? Something regurgitated from PrisonPlanet:

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/070507depopulation.htm

Do you have any thoughts of your own or do you just believe everything that the liars at PP tell you?

I gave you the source. the world isnt overpopulated it is a myth, like the facts show. and prisonplanet dont lie, its a site for patriots and people that are normal. You know NORMAL human beings that understand SIMPLE facts, many people here aint normal, geeky-weak minded persons who jokes about serious issues and cant understand simple words. The Geeky-geeky club which has its own religion.

He didn't just say that, did he? :boggled:
Anyway, answer my questions, Malmo. Especially the one about how Sweden fits into the evil plan of.. them. :boxedin:

I have not seen any evidence of any swedish politicians beeing involved. but almost every country today is involved in some way im sure sweden is to. the government in sweden is starting to listening to peoples phones now like they do in america etc.

[Brainache]

I gave you the source. the world isnt overpopulated it is a myth, like the facts show. and prisonplanet dont lie, its a site for patriots and people that are normal. You know NORMAL human beings that understand SIMPLE facts, many people here aint normal, geeky-weak minded persons who jokes about serious issues and cant understand simple words. The Geeky-geeky club which has its own religion.



I have not seen any evidence of any swedish politicians beeing involved. but almost every contry today is involved in some way im sure sweden is to. the government in sweden is starting to listening to peoples phones now like they do in america etc.

Is Malmoesoldier trying for a Stundie Lifetime Acheivment award?

Looks like it.

[BenBurch]

The UN is a joke. At its most powerful it is fig leaf for a majority of the nations to get together and make war on one nation they don't much care for.

Malemute, and I really mean this, you need some professional help.

And with that, you are on ignore.

[mrbaracuda]

I gave you the source. the world isnt overpopulated it is a myth, like the facts show. and prisonplanet dont lie, its a site for patriots and people that are normal. You know NORMAL human beings that understand SIMPLE facts, many people here aint normal, geeky-weak minded persons who jokes about serious issues and cant understand simple words. The Geeky-geeky club which has its own religion.

Yea, I guess SIMPLE facts are good for the street people. If this forum's so complex, why are you still here after about 170 posts? And who will tell me how I can put the fun stuff into my signature or change my avatar? :o

I have not seen any evidence of any swedish politicians beeing involved. but almost every contry today is involved in some way im sure sweden is to. the government in sweden is starting to listening to peoples phones now like they do in america etc.

Gee, I wonder why they'd do that in times like these. Anyway, what about the high quality steel your country has had to offer all the time? Smoking gun right there? And what do you do for a living? Are you complicit in supporting your country and therefore possible subsidies for the steel industry that produced who knows what kind of weapons (needles for syringes!)? :boxedin:

[Brainache]

...And who will tell me how I can put the fun stuff into my signature or change my avatar? :o


I think you just need to get your post count a bit higher and then the options appear in your User CP. The humor forum is good for this.

[mrbaracuda]

I think you just need to get your post count a bit higher and then the options appear in your User CP. The humor forum is good for this.

Thought as much. Thanks! :o

ETA

I'd still like an answer to this

Originally Posted by Malmoesoldier
"Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history." -David Rockefeller 1973 (NY Times 8-10-73)


And you quote this why exactly? Link to the full article would be nice, too.

[Jensen]

MS, except for the 30 years old UN document and your own interpretations of mainstream news stories, what evidence do you have of this conspiracy?

Feel free to include evidence from both inside and outside the box.

[Brainache]

I gave you the source. the world isnt overpopulated it is a myth, like the facts show. and prisonplanet dont lie, its a site for patriots and people that are normal. You know NORMAL human beings that understand SIMPLE facts, many people here aint normal, geeky-weak minded persons who jokes about serious issues and cant understand simple words. The Geeky-geeky club which has its own religion....

PrisonPlanet don't lie? Wanna buy a bridge? There's a big one here in Sydney I can sell you...

Normal human beings that understand simple facts... OK Mr Normal MalmoeSoldier, how can we fit 7 billion people into the state of Texas and give them an acre of land each? You apparently understand this simple fact, but I'm having trouble with it. Please help me.

Geeky weak minded JREFers always making jokes! Is that our religion? The Father, Son and Holy Jokes?

Oh well, maybe one day you will wake up to the fact that the liars at PP have been taking you for a ride. At least you can't say we didn't try..

[Malmoesoldier]

Thought as much. Thanks! :o

ETA

I'd still like an answer to this

You dont understand the quote what he says and means?. i will not bother with this thread anymore. keep spreading lies guys, cya at the battlefield.

[JimBenArm]

You dont understand the quote what he says and means?. i will not bother with this thread anymore. keep spreading lies guys, cya at the battlefield.
Only if the battlefield is in your basement, I'm sure...

[Brainache]

...i will not bother with this thread anymore. keep spreading lies guys, cya at the battlefield.

What battlefield would that be then?

Here's an idea Malmoe: Why not try checking the facts on PP? Get back to us if you actually find one.

[Malmoesoldier]

That would only work if we reduce the world's population to 170 million people. I'll alert the boys and we'll get started right away on the increased chemtrail spraying to make this happen.

The state of Texas has a land area of over 260,000 square miles. There are 640 acres to a mile. This means that the world's entire population could fit inside the state of Texas, with 1/4 acre for each man, woman and child...the rest of the world would be unpopulated.

[mrbaracuda]

You dont understand the quote what he says and means?.

That's not what I said. I repeat: Why exactly did you quote that?
And the full article would still be nice.

i will not bother with this thread anymore.

Interesting, since you were the one who started it. Now that your claims are falling apart you won't bother with it anymore? Great character you got. Still surprised about those 170+ posts.

keep spreading lies guys, cya at the battlefield.

I seriously wonder who will lead people like you. Alex Jones? He doesn't strike me as very fit or capable of anything than ranting into a bullhorn. Nor do most of the other people, since they're either fat or old.

[Pardalis]

cya at the battlefield.

You and whose army?

[Hokulele]

... cya at the battlefield.


kthxbi.

[tomwaits]

that sounds like one of ChrisA's lawsuits

and, like ChrisA, it really is just sad. especially this part:

Toward the end of this lengthy session, Dymond got Spiesel to admit that in 1965, when he'd made a trip to New Orleans, he thought he was being followed and had attempted to take depositions to this effect from the New Orleans Police Department. Said Spiesel, "At the time I was being followed around I was alone. I wanted to find out if the Police Department or the District Attorney's office was involved. But it was pretty well determined it was people from New York. I was puzzled who from New Orleans would be following me, since I knew no one here." Dymond also questioned him about whether he'd thought Aaron Kohn, the managing director of the Metropolitan Crime Commission, might also be involved. Spiesel said he had indeed and that Kohn asked him if he would accept a letter stating the Metropolitan Crime Commission was not tailing him. "I said okay," Spiesel said.

Maybe if malmo got a letter from the UN saying they weren't trying to kill everyone he would be ok with it?

[Malmoesoldier]

Every fact in this thread gets ignored.

* UN states that the world could only support 2 billion people under european standards.

* UN states that a way to reduce the population would be to cut the food production in half by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water.

* UN/America has forced sterilization on thousands of people.

* UN pedofile scandals and other scandals like working with milita groups they should be fighting never stops.

* NSSM 200 talks about using sterilization by force as a way to reduce the population.

* NSSM 200 also talks about reducing the population in big numbers.

Go out and get a copy of a book that exposes UN for what it is.

Dont forget to pick up "pawns in the game" and "tragedy and hope" also ;)

[Pardalis]

* UN pedofile scandals

I just don't see what this has to do with your reduction of the world's population theory.

If the UN was filled with paedophiles, as you say, wouldn't they want there to be more children, and continuously so?

:con2:

[TimB1]

The state of Texas has a land area of over 260,000 square miles. There are 640 acres to a mile. This means that the world's entire population could fit inside the state of Texas, with 1/4 acre for each man, woman and child...the rest of the world would be unpopulated.

No, actually, do the maths again, it's 1/40th of an acre. I was able to do that sum because I went to school - see, there are some upsides, even if you do end up being brainwashed like me.

[DGM]

The state of Texas has a land area of over 260,000 square miles. There are 640 acres to a mile. This means that the world's entire population could fit inside the state of Texas, with 1/4 acre for each man, woman and child...the rest of the world would be unpopulated.
You could put them in Massachusetts if you stack them like cord wood. What's your point.
It requires how many acres per person if you include support? You know food and stuff.

[achtung circus]

You should quote where you copy and paisted this response from. You wouldn't want people to accuse you of plagiarism.

Not that I want to give them traffic but the cut and paste is from here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm

ETA OK several people beat me to it.

[DGM]

Every fact in this thread gets ignored.

* UN states that the world could only support 2 billion people under european standards.

* UN states that a way to reduce the population would be to cut the food production in half by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water.

* UN/America has forced sterilization on thousands of people.

* UN pedofile scandals and other scandals like working with milita groups they should be fighting never stops.

* NSSM 200 talks about using sterilization by force as a way to reduce the population.

* NSSM 200 also talks about reducing the population in big numbers.

Go out and get a copy of a book that exposes UN for what it is.

Dont forget to pick up "pawns in the game" and "tragedy and hope" also ;)
Why do you tell us to read when you refuse too?

I know for a fact that you have not read any of the books that you (actually whoever is feeding you) got the quotes from. You don't even cherry pick your own material. It's all copy and paste. How much of the OP is your own words? (Be careful I've found most of it elsewhere)

Now that's a sad thing indeed.

[BenBurch]

PrisonPlanet don't lie? Wanna buy a bridge? There's a big one here in Sydney I can sell you...


Heck I have a whole airport here in Chicago to sell him! Right on the lake, convenient to downtown, and its the starting point for most versions of Microsoft Flight Simulator until the last few years;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigs_Field

[DGM]

Not that I want to give them traffic but the cut and paste is from here:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/030406massculling.htm

ETA OK several people beat me to it.
I knew that the whole OP is a copy and paste. You can tell his spelling and grammar improves considerably.

[Horatius]

It is commonly accepted that the entire world population could all fit into the state of Texas and each have an acre of their own land.



I was going to ask if you knew how big Texas was, and how many acres there were in a square mile......



The state of Texas has a land area of over 260,000 square miles. There are 640 acres to a mile. This means that the world's entire population could fit inside the state of Texas, with 1/4 acre for each man, woman and child...the rest of the world would be unpopulated.




....but you seem to know that. So, is the problem that you don't know how many men, women and children there are in the world, or can you not do simple math?

Assuming 6 billion people (that 6 000 000 000, just in case you lost few zeros), I get 0.0279 acres per person. So your 1/4 acres (that's 0.25, just in case you can't use decimals) is better than your previous attempt, but is still off by a full order of magnitude.

And why, again, should we be listening to you, if you can get such a simple thing wrong, not just once, but twice?

[BenBurch]

I knew that the whole OP is a copy and paste. You can tell his spelling and grammar improves considerably.

Well, in fairness, english is not his first language. I cut anybody slack for that, knowing how awkward and just plain bad my German is.

[DGM]

Well, in fairness, english is not his first language. I cut anybody slack for that, knowing how awkward and just plain bad my German is.
My Swedish is worse:D

I've made a game out of guessing were he got the responses from.
It wouldn't be a big problem if he wasn't trying to pass it off as his own.

[JimBenArm]

My Swedish is worse:D

I've made a game out of guessing were he got the responses from.
It wouldn't be a big problem if he wasn't trying to pass it off as his own.
You think yours is bad? Mine consists of bad imitations of the Swedish Chef from the Muppets, and Sargeant Shultz from Hogan's Heros.

Beat that for pathetic! Ha!

[dudalb]

You think yours is bad? Mine consists of bad imitations of the Swedish Chef from the Muppets, and Sargeant Shultz from Hogan's Heros.

Beat that for pathetic! Ha!

Mine consists of bad imitations of the Sheriff from "Fargo",who is a resident of "Sweden West" aka the state of Minnesota.

[BenBurch]

...Assuming 6 billion people (that 6 000 000 000, just in case you lost few zeros), I get 0.0279 acres per person. So your 1/4 acres (that's 0.25, just in case you can't use decimals) is better than your previous attempt, but is still off by a full order of magnitude. ...


And there is the minor issue of carrying capacity.

There are 148,940,000 km^2 of surface area on the planet.

Arable land is 13.13% or 19,809,020 km^2.

Permanent agriculture is 4.71% or 7,015,074 km^2

The amount of land required to feed an adult human is 2395 m^2 assuming average yields and vegetable or cereal crops.

7 million km^2 is about 7x10^12 m^2 divide by 2395 is 3,000,000,000.

Three billion.

We are at twice that now, ergo, many are malnourished. (This ignores fishing and hunting, though.)

Now, if we used 100% of all arable land at the same efficiency, the number is 8 billion.

We are almost there.

We are almost at the carrying capacity now.

And as any agronomist will tell you, you cannot farm a field continuously and still keep the yield up.

I've taken you off ignore, Malemute, so you can rebut this.

[JimBenArm]

Mine consists of bad imitations of the Sheriff from "Fargo",who is a resident of "Sweden West" aka the state of Minnesota.
Okay, you win. I can't beat that.

[BenBurch]

Oh, if we all eat only potatoes, you can about double that.

But we Irish can tell you a thing or two about basing your survival on a single crop and that one in particular.

[defaultdotxbe]

Okay, you win. I can't beat that.
at least its not imitating jamie lee curtis from the rain scene in trading places


coleman: "but youre wearing lederhosen..."
ophelia: "ja, for sure from sveden!"

[BenBurch]

at least its not imitating jamie lee curtis from the rain scene in trading places


coleman: "but youre wearing lederhosen..."
ophelia: "ja, for sure from sveden!"

I like the scene with Chris Farley from "Splash."

[bynmdsue]

Not wanting to help Malmoe out,but some perspective.
Planet Earth is loaded with room. We could put the world's entire population into the United States. Doing so would make our population density 1,531 people per square mile. That's a far lower population density than what now exists in New York (11,440), Los Angeles (9,126) and Houston (7,512). The entire U.S. population could move to Texas and each family of four would enjoy 2.9 acres of land. If the entire world's population moved to Texas, California, Colorado and Alaska, each family of four would enjoy nine-tenths of an acre of land.

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/99/Population-Control.htm

[Horatius]

So he wasn't wrong, he was just....wrong.


Okay, I'm fine with that.

[PixyMisa]

Every fact in this thread gets ignored.

* UN states that the world could only support 2 billion people under european standards.
Probably true, granted certain assumptions. Irrelevant, because that just means not everyone gets to live at European standards. Anyway, the assumptions are rapidly getting demolished by technology; already, to me, a high-speed internet connection is of more value than a car.

* UN states that a way to reduce the population would be to cut the food production in half by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water.
No they don't. This is true, but they don't make that statement.

* UN/America has forced sterilization on thousands of people.
The UN and the US are two very different things. Now, true, there were forced-sterilization programs in the first half of the 20th century, and this was misguided at best. But sterilizing thousands of people doesn't do much when you have billions of people.

* UN pedofile scandals and other scandals like working with milita groups they should be fighting never stops.
Yes. So?

* NSSM 200 talks about using sterilization by force as a way to reduce the population.
No it doesn't. In fact, the only place it mentions sterility at all is in talking about eliminating it.

* NSSM 200 also talks about reducing the population in big numbers.
Again, this is completely untrue. It talks about population growth, and reducing that growth.

While specific goals in this area are difficult to state, our aim should be for the world to achieve a replacement level of fertility, (a two-child family on the average), by about the year 2000. This will require the present 2 percent growth rate to decline to 1.7 percent within a decade and to 1.1 percent by 2000. Compared to the U.N medium projection [my emphasis], this goal would result in 500 million fewer people in 2000 and about 3 billion fewer in 2050. Attainment of this goal will require greatly intensified population programs. A basis for developing national population growth control targets to achieve this world target is contained in the World Population Plan of Action.
Look at what it actually says. Population growth is reduced from 2.0 percent to 1.1 percent. That means that the population is still growing! But instead of reaching 12 billion by 2050, the lower growth rate will only reach 9 billion.

No-one gets killed; just less people are born. The population still goes up, not down, just more slowly.

All your ranting is about people who only exist in the hypothetical.

[BenBurch]

Not wanting to help Malmoe out,but some perspective.


http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/99/Population-Control.htm

Well, now, some land would be difficult to live on;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Gloss_Mountains.jpg/640px-Gloss_Mountains.jpg

Quite a lot of it is rocky and steep!

[PixyMisa]

That just means more surface area! So everyone gets an acre... Only some of the acres are vertical.

[WildCat]

You think yours is bad? Mine consists of bad imitations of the Swedish Chef from the Muppets, and Sargeant Shultz from Hogan's Heros.

Beat that for pathetic! Ha!
Easy, all I know is "yumpin' yimminy" from Woody Woodpecker cartoons... :boxedin:

[WildCat]

Quite a lot of it is rocky and steep!
But most of the world's population is poor. They'll get the rocky and steep parts, and like it!

[bynmdsue]

Well,no-one's actually suggesting moving everyone there.I'm sure it's just a surface area thing.

[defaultdotxbe]

we talked about this sort of thing in my sophomore year chemistry class

the problem with overpopulation isnt as simple as having enough room for everyone to stand around comfortably, every person requires a certain number of acres of farmland to grow enough food to feed them, if that person prefers cows and chickens the number of required acres increases, any "overpopulation" problem would come from arable land being claimed for urban sprawl

ETA: a quick bit of googling indicates at a very minimum .2 acres of farmland is needed to support 1 person, but a typical american/european diet would require about 1.25 acres person

i guess someone could calculate arable land vs world population and figure out how much (if any) trouble we are in, lol

[BenBurch]

we talked about this sort of thing in my sophomore year chemistry class

the problem with overpopulation isnt as simple as having enough room for everyone to stand around comfortably, every person requires a certain number of acres of farmland to grow enough food to feed them, if that person prefers cows and chickens the number of required acres increases, any "overpopulation" problem would come from arable land being claimed for urban sprawl

Robert Silverberg's X-rated SF novel "The World Inside" shows the ultimate end point of growth assisted by technology; The Urban Monad. A building that would dwarf the WTC towers with an entire city inside. Everything outside was agriculture, heavily mechanized and served by small villages of humans whose culture had so diverged from the monads that they were now quite alien to one another. Each monad went with its own agricultural assets. Growth was accomplished though building new monads and calving the population of one or more overcrowded monads.

It's not a great book, so don't read it unless you also want some really bad porn too.

[tomwaits]

It's not a great book, so don't read it unless you also want some really bad porn too.


oh, i do.

[Corsair 115]

I like the scene with Chris Farley from "Splash."*cough* It was John Candy in Splash, not Chris Farley.

[Malmoesoldier]

Probably true, granted certain assumptions. Irrelevant, because that just means not everyone gets to live at European standards. Anyway, the assumptions are rapidly getting demolished by technology; already, to me, a high-speed internet connection is of more value than a car.


No they don't. This is true, but they don't make that statement.


The UN and the US are two very different things. Now, true, there were forced-sterilization programs in the first half of the 20th century, and this was misguided at best. But sterilizing thousands of people doesn't do much when you have billions of people.


Yes. So?


No it doesn't. In fact, the only place it mentions sterility at all is in talking about eliminating it.


Again, this is completely untrue. It talks about population growth, and reducing that growth.


Look at what it actually says. Population growth is reduced from 2.0 percent to 1.1 percent. That means that the population is still growing! But instead of reaching 12 billion by 2050, the lower growth rate will only reach 9 billion.

No-one gets killed; just less people are born. The population still goes up, not down, just more slowly.

All your ranting is about people who only exist in the hypothetical.


Yes they do make that statement about cuting the worlds food production by half by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water (GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761).

To give you two examples, UN did forced sterilization on people 1997 (people died in this case). America did it 1979. It happens all the time.

No NSSM 200 talks about using food as a weapon to reduce the population to countries that quote "wont control their population growth" And they state “Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be considering these possibilities now,”.

My point by the pedofile scandals is just to show that they have no respect for human life.

And its true like you all say, they havnt killed billions of people yet. Buts lets not ignore the facts in this documents and lets agree that the people writing this stuff should be kicked out of politics. Also we cant ignore the fact that governments have tested deadly pathogens, viruses, radiological and biological weapons on human populations without their knowledge (Which have resulted in many deaths) in order to advance the progress of eugenics, including the infamous Ringworm Children, who were used as guinea pigs and subjected to lethal doses of radiation by Israeli health officials, killing 6,000 and leaving the rest with lifelong debilitating illnesses.

SHE IS NOT PART OF THE UN

Elizabeth Dowdeswell went from being a schoolteacher in Swift Current to becoming a leading international figure in environmental advocacy.

In 1992, she became Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), the first woman to do so. There she led the agency's involvement in implementing sustainable development throughout the entire U.N. system. She also developed programs in state-of-the-environment assessment and reporting, environmental law, and trade and globalization. She served concurrently as Under Secretary General of the United Nations.

http://www.econet.sk.ca/sk_enviro_champions/dowdeswell.html

Get your facts right DGM.

I've taken you off ignore, Malemute, so you can rebut this.

World population models routinely show that the earth's population will level out at 9 billion in 2050 and slowly decline after that. So there are no need to reduce the population, just type "overpopulation myth" into google and you will find all the answers you need.

[TriskettheKid]

World population models routinely show that the earth's population will level out at 9 billion in 2050 and slowly decline after that. So there are no need to reduce the population, just type "overpopulation myth" into google and you will find all the answers you need.

Are you familiar with the term "carrying capacity" and how it would apply in this instance?

[BenBurch]

*cough* It was John Candy in Splash, not Chris Farley.

Hence why I hate the orange squares on Trivial Pursuit.

[abenja1]

I think a great point that was already made was if they are pedophiles, wouldn't killing children be counter-productive?

[hellaeon]

I gave you the source. the world isnt overpopulated it is a myth, like the facts show. and prisonplanet dont lie, its a site for patriots and people that are normal. You know NORMAL human beings that understand SIMPLE facts, many people here aint normal, geeky-weak minded persons who jokes about serious issues and cant understand simple words. The Geeky-geeky club which has its own religion.

lots of lol

[BenBurch]

I think a great point that was already made was if they are pedophiles, wouldn't killing children be counter-productive?

Unless, of course, they are vampiric pedophiles...

[BenBurch]

Are you familiar with the term "carrying capacity" and how it would apply in this instance?

He's never heard of a die-off;

Take a small space like an island which has no indigenous terrestrial animals. Introduce to that island a small, fast breeding herbivore. Initially the herbivores do famously, and soon the island is full of them. But they grow to the point where they exhaust the available food plants and many, many starve. The plant life then recovers to a degree before the herbivores can re-establish enough to crash the system again.

Ultimately, we are herbivores, as even our meat comes from the products of the land. And we've about grown to the point where we will have exhausted the food plants, the point where there is such starvation that we eat the seed corn.

You do not want to be there when this happens.

[timhau]

So he wasn't wrong, he was just....wrong.


Okay, I'm fine with that.

Maybe he suggested that we should keep killing until everyone has an acre of Texas? (An acre of Alaska would be easier, but honestly, what do you do with an acre of Alaska unless you're lucky enough to get one with oil?)

[PixyMisa]

Yes they do make that statement about cuting the worlds food production by half by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water (GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761).
No they don't.

To give you two examples, UN did forced sterilization on people 1997 (people died in this case). America did it 1979.Cite.

It happens all the time.No it doesn't.

No NSSM 200 talks about using food as a weapon to reduce the population to countries that quote "wont control their population growth"You have that completely backwards! That paragraph is talking about rationing food in America so as to provide increased aid to other countries.

And they state “Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be considering these possibilities now,”.They do say that, but you are removing all context. I'll put the context back:

The above basic strategy assumes that the current forms of assistance programs in both population and economic and social development areas will be able to solve the problem. There is however, another view, which is shared by a growing number of experts. It believes that the outlook is much harsher and far less tractable than commonly perceived. This holds that the severity of the population problem in this century which is already claiming the lives of more than 10 million people yearly, is such as to make likely continued widespread food shortage and other demographic catastrophes, and, in the words of C.P. Snow, we shall be watching people starve on television.

The conclusion of this view is that mandatory programs may be needed and that we should be considering these possibilities now.In other words, if voluntary measures to avert the population crisis prove to be insufficient, it may be necessary to consider mandatory action (China's one child policy is an example of this).

I have three comments on this point: First, this hasn't happened - with the exception of China. Second, it hasn't been necessary. Population growth is slowing purely by voluntary adjustment. Third, no matter what, they still aren't talking about killing anyone.

My point by the pedofile scandals is just to show that they have no respect for human life.So?

And its true like you all say, they havnt killed billions of people yet.Yes. I'm sure someone would have noticed.

Buts lets not ignore the facts in this documentsBut that's exactly what you are doing. You're ignoring what the documents actually say and making stuff up.

and lets agree that the people writing this stuff should be kicked out of politics.They're not in politics.

Also we cant ignore the fact that governments have tested deadly pathogens, viruses, radiological and biological weapons on human populations without their knowledge (Which have resulted in many deaths)Yes. So?

in order to advance the progress of eugenics, including the infamous Ringworm Children, who were used as guinea pigs and subjected to lethal doses of radiation by Israeli health officials, killing 6,000 and leaving the rest with lifelong debilitating illnesses.No.

Between 1949-1960 approximately 100,000 immigrants to Israel, many of them from North African countries, were irradiated against ringworm of the scalp. This medical procedure was a recognized mainstream medical treatment at the time. Yet the scale and scope of this mass public health program put the Israeli case as a unique one in the world. The newly established Israeli State invested tremendous efforts in absorption of hundreds of thousands of immigrants and the public health domain was a crucial part of it.

According to the official narrative this was a success story: ringworm and other infectious disease rates declined relatively rapidly. But the consequences were severe. Several decades after the x-ray treatment the immigrants irradiated developed complications ranging from ugly scars to life threatening complications such as meningioma, thyroid cancers and more. In 1994 the Israeli State enacted a compensation law that established a bureaucratic apparatus of committees evaluating the damages and claims.
The Israeli government applied what was at the time a standard treatment for ringworm (actually a fungus) to Jewish immigrants. Decades later, people started suffering side effects from the treatment. They'd already stopped using irradiation to treat ringworm by the time the side effects started to appear; the first effective anti-fungal medicines appeared around 1960. And that wasn't exactly without side effects either. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griseofulvin#Side_effects)

What you're saying is that of 100,000 patients, between 47 and 58 years later 6% of them have died. Once again, that's a remarkably ineffective way to kill people.

World population models routinely show that the earth's population will level out at 9 billion in 2050 and slowly decline after that.Yes, in 2007, world population models show that. In 1973, they did not.

So there are no need to reduce the population, just type "overpopulation myth" into google and you will find all the answers you need.There never was any intention of reducing the population. Only of reducing population growth. And that is exactly what has happened. The only reason you can make the claim that overpopulation is a myth and have it retain any attachment to reality is that population growth rates came down, just like the guys who wrote NSSM 200 were hoping.

And the funny thing is that no-one had to kill anybody.

[funk de fino]

http://www.econet.sk.ca/sk_enviro_champions/dowdeswell.html

Get your facts right DGM.



I thought you actually were going to stun us with a correct claim there malmoe, but once again you fall short.

She is NOT part of the UN. She WAS part of the UN but is no longer. Scarily she now works for the NWMO

What you really should have said she was in the past, part of a UN program

You need to get your facts correct before saying this unto others Malmoe, you are getting very close to being as blind as the poster quoted in my sig

ps. I would call you a liar straight to your face, pray tell what would stop me? You have proved in here you are one of them

[westprog]

Well, now, some land would be difficult to live on;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/Gloss_Mountains.jpg/640px-Gloss_Mountains.jpg

Quite a lot of it is rocky and steep!

That looks like Acoma - maybe not steep enough.

[Horatius]

Yes they do make that statement about cuting the worlds food production by half by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water (GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761).



No they don't. Once again, you fail to distinguish between acknowledging a fact, and advocating an action.

"That fetilizers have played an essential part in producing the world's harvest is undisputed: Lean et al. (1980) estimate that if the use of fetilizers ceased, the world's agricultural harvests would be cut almost in half."


Where in that do they advocate taking the action of cutting production? Again, keep walking in that direction, and you'll fall in a hole!





No NSSM 200 talks about using food as a weapon to reduce the population to countries that quote "wont control their population growth" And they state “Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be considering these possibilities now,”.



Not it doesn't. Once again, it acknowledges, it does not advocate. Read for comprehension.

[Malmoesoldier]

I think a great point that was already made was if they are pedophiles, wouldn't killing children be counter-productive?

Yes that was a great! point. LOL

Where you serious when you typed that?


No they don't.

Cite.

No it doesn't.

You have that completely backwards! That paragraph is talking about rationing food in America so as to provide increased aid to other countries.

They do say that, but you are removing all context. I'll put the context back:

In other words, if voluntary measures to avert the population crisis prove to be insufficient, it may be necessary to consider mandatory action (China's one child policy is an example of this).

I have three comments on this point: First, this hasn't happened - with the exception of China. Second, it hasn't been necessary. Population growth is slowing purely by voluntary adjustment. Third, no matter what, they still aren't talking about killing anyone.

So?

Yes. I'm sure someone would have noticed.

But that's exactly what you are doing. You're ignoring what the documents actually say and making stuff up.

They're not in politics.

Yes. So?

No.


The Israeli government applied what was at the time a standard treatment for ringworm (actually a fungus) to Jewish immigrants. Decades later, people started suffering side effects from the treatment. They'd already stopped using irradiation to treat ringworm by the time the side effects started to appear; the first effective anti-fungal medicines appeared around 1960. And that wasn't exactly without side effects either. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griseofulvin#Side_effects)

What you're saying is that of 100,000 patients, between 47 and 58 years later 6% of them have died. Once again, that's a remarkably ineffective way to kill people.

Yes, in 2007, world population models show that. In 1973, they did not.

There never was any intention of reducing the population. Only of reducing population growth. And that is exactly what has happened. The only reason you can make the claim that overpopulation is a myth and have it retain any attachment to reality is that population growth rates came down, just like the guys who wrote NSSM 200 were hoping.

And the funny thing is that no-one had to kill anybody.

Again. GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761

And yes never mind that they have killed thousands of kids, never mind, the government would never carry out 9-11. They really care about people.

Stop with your lieing and grow up please. Dont try to tell me that a text says something else then what it does. leave this thread

I will give the facts do you very disturbed individuals one more time.

"Land...cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals.... Private land ownership is...a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes.... Public control of land use is therefore indispensable...."

They State that the human population has exceeded earth's biosphere capacity and set the parameters for recovery (Propaganda):

an 'agricultural world' in which most human beings are peasants, should be able to support 5 to 7 billion people.... In contrast, a reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be one billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2-3 billion would be possible"

There is no discussion in the GBA of how 2/3 of the earth's human population might be eliminated, but it does give some clues. Agricultural practices are sharply condemned,

Overwhelming evidence leads to the conclusion that modern commercial agriculture has had a direct negative impact on biodiversity at all levels.... Agriculture may be one of the most important causes of pollution, by the production of sediments, by the generation of chemical wastes, or by the use of pesticides."

Never mind that US agricultural practices have reduced these impacts to all time lows. The use of fertilizers would be sharply reduced if the GBA recommendations were implemented, in spite of the realization "that fertilisers have played an essential part in producing the world's harvests is undisputed. It is estimated that if the use of fertilisers ceased, the world's harvests would be cut almost in half." cutting the world's food production in half would certainly produce massive starvation and pestilence and cut human population by at least half.

NSSM 200. “Would food be considered an instrument of national power? ... Is the U.S. prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't control their population growth?”´

WONT... They are talking about using food as a weapon to contries/people that wont accept it.

Now leave this thread please. Sheeps

[SDC]

Now leave this thread please. Sheeps

Why are you asking everyone to leave this thread? I thought you wanted to convert/ convince people of your point of view.

There is a contradiction there somewhere... wait, let me think...

[chillzero]

Malmoesoldier, stop referring to other members in such derogatory terms. Additionally, stop 'ordering' people out of threads. This is not the way to conduct civil discussions on the forum.

[JimBenArm]

He's afraid of us. He's starting to question some of his cherished misconceptions, and it's frightening to him.

[funk de fino]

... They are talking about using food as a weapon to contries/people that wont accept it.

You are a liar and you are copying someone elses replies straight into your posts and not citing them. Very dishonest. What is the matter do you not have a reply of your own?

They are talking about why should America accept food rationing when other countries who will not curb their population growth could do more to stop the situation arising in the first place. Do you think you should have to go without because Indians are using all the food in the world and breeding like buggery?

Now leave this thread please. Sheeps

I see you got the warning you deserved

[JimBenArm]

You dont understand the quote what he says and means?. i will not bother with this thread anymore. keep spreading lies guys, cya at the battlefield.
You posted this a while back. You didn't keep your promise.

[Malmoesoldier]

You are a liar and you are copying someone elses replies straight into your posts and not citing them. Very dishonest. What is the matter do you not have a reply of your own?

They are talking about why should America accept food rationing when other countries who will not curb their population growth could do more to stop the situation arising in the first place. Do you think you should have to go without because Indians are using all the food in the world and breeding like buggery?



I see you got the warning you deserved

As always you have no clue what you are talking about. you lie over and over again, you use NIST to explain the collapse of WTC etc, you are a lier and you have showed it over and over again. Grow up and lets talk facts or dont bothter to respond to me please. NSSM and the UN documents is propaganda talking about killing people which they already have done over and over again. And it is proven that the world is "overpopulated" is a myth. only people that trys to explain the WTC collapse with NIST documents wont understand that.

There were several measures that Kissinger advocated to deal with this alleged threat, most prominently, birth control and related population-reduction programs. He also warned that “population growth rates are likely to increase appreciably before they begin to decline,” even if such measures were adopted.

A second measure was curtailing food supplies to targetted states, in part to force compliance with birth control policies: “There is also some established precedent for taking account of family planning performance in appraisal of assistance requirements by AID [U.S. Agency for International Development] and consultative groups. Since population growth is a major determinant of increases in food demand, allocation of scarce PL 480 resources should take account of what steps a country is taking in population control as well as food production. In these sensitive relations, however, it is important in style as well as substance to avoid the appearance of coercion.”

“Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be considering these possibilities now,” the document continued, adding, “Would food be considered an instrument of national power? ... Is the U.S. prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't control their population growth?”

Kissinger also predicted a return of famines that could make exclusive reliance on birth control programs unnecessary. “Rapid population growth and lagging food production in developing countries, together with the sharp deterioration in the global food situation in 1972 and 1973, have raised serious concerns about the ability of the world to feed itself adequately over the next quarter of century and beyond,” he reported.

The cause of that coming food deficit was not natural, however, but was a result of western financial policy: “Capital investments for irrigation and infrastucture and the organization requirements for continuous improvements in agricultural yields may be beyond the financial and administrative capacity of many LDCs. For some of the areas under heaviest population pressure, there is little or no prospect for foreign exchange earnings to cover constantly increasingly imports of food.”

“It is questionable,” Kissinger gloated, “whether aid donor countries will be prepared to provide the sort of massive food aid called for by the import projections on a long-term continuing basis.” Consequently, “large-scale famine of a kind not experienced for several decades—a kind the world thought had been permanently banished,” was foreseeable—famine, which has indeed come to pass.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

For those not agriculturally inclined (1/40) acre = 1089 square feet. In that space they would have to have housing, gardening, waste disposal, energy production, etc

[Stellafane]

I guess the lesson to be learned here is that everyone should be bucking up and raising bigger families. Except "bucking" is a typo.

[BenBurch]

He's afraid of us. He's starting to question some of his cherished misconceptions, and it's frightening to him.

It takes courage to realize that you've been used as a tool for a lie.

[Horatius]

Malmoe's latest cut-n-paste job come from this website:

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html


What is the Schiller Institute? (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/about/about.html)

The Schiller Institute is working around the world to defend the rights of all humanity to progress --material, moral and intellectual. It is named after Friedrich Schiller, the great 18th-century German poet and playwright, whose works have inspired republican opposition to oligarchic tyranny worldwide.

In America, the Institute, a non-profit corporation headquartered in Washington, D.C., was founded in May 1984. The Schiller Institute is also established in Australia, Canada, Russia, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Slovakia, Sweden, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, Peru, and has a growing influence in Asia, Africa and the Middle East.

Helga Zepp LaRouche, the founder of the Schiller Institute internationally, is also Chairman of its Board of Directors in the United States. A German citizen, Mrs. Zepp LaRouche is wife of Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., statesman and economist, who, with his wife, is a true citizen of the world, in Schiller's sense. In her Founding Message for the American Schiller Institute, in 1984, Chairman Helga Zepp LaRouche outlined the Institute's objectives as follows:




So, once again, one paranoid CT nutbar is quoted by another, to support their "theories".

Yawn.

[BenBurch]

For those not agriculturally inclined (1/40) acre = 1089 square feet. In that space they would have to have housing, gardening, waste disposal, energy production, etc

About the size of my very small house, with its very small mortgage payment.

In the city plan it is referred to as "Gable-front cottage circa 1870" but really its a shack that I barely keep watertight...

[BenBurch]

Horatius,

Some people believe I am a nutbar, but I've always used the conclusions of "Limits To Growth" as my bible for what would happen to us if we did not limit population and move into nuclear energy full steam and without looking back.

Time for that is getting really short.

-Ben

[abenja1]

Malmosoldier. Yes, I was serious. You know why? Because that is one of the many arguments that crushes yours. Along with the fact that um..... well The UN never saying they wanted to kill people.

[funk de fino]

As always you have no clue what you are talking about. you lie over and over again, you use NIST to explain the collapse of WTC etc, you are a lier and you have showed it over and over again. Grow up and lets talk facts or dont bothter to respond to me please. NSSM and the UN documents is propaganda talking about killing people which they already have done over and over again. And it is proven that the world is "overpopulated" is a myth. only people that trys to explain the WTC collapse with NIST documents wont understand that.

Bolded part, you have again lied about this. You have showed nowhere that says this. if you are going to call me a liar because you cannot understand what you read at least spell it correctly malmoe.

You have no facts you just have stuff you have stolen from other sites, you are a fraud. Do you not think it is so obvious when your english is so poor that when you steal something from another site we can spot it.

Do not tell me not to reply to you again as you have just had a warning for it. If you do not like what you see then there must be a reason for it. Probably the fact you have been caught lying.

ps You have not read NIST and even if you did you would not understand it, you do not have the education I'm afraid

[Horatius]

Horatius,

Some people believe I am a nutbar, but I've always used the conclusions of "Limits To Growth" as my bible for what would happen to us if we did not limit population and move into nuclear energy full steam and without looking back.

Time for that is getting really short.

-Ben


I agree that there are some ultimate limits to what we can do, but I'm not really concerned about those questions here. I'm just pointing out that the documents he's citing do not advocate the policies he claims they do. Despite the fact that his Laroushie buddies claim he did advocate for them. Warning =/= advocating.

The issue of what the ultimate carrying capacity of the Earth is, and the effects that current and future technologies may have on that number, are a side issue. Clearly, things have gone a lot better than the guys in the 1970s thought they would.

Discussing these issues is complicated enough as it is, without paranoid freaks jumping up and down about genocide everytime someone discusses an unpleasant possibility.





P.S. Go Nuclear! CANDU Can Do!

;)

[Malmoesoldier]

Bolded part, you have again lied about this. You have showed nowhere that says this. if you are going to call me a liar because you cannot understand what you read at least spell it correctly malmoe.

You have no facts you just have stuff you have stolen from other sites, you are a fraud. Do you not think it is so obvious when your english is so poor that when you steal something from another site we can spot it.

Do not tell me not to reply to you again as you have just had a warning for it. If you do not like what you see then there must be a reason for it. Probably the fact you have been caught lying.

ps You have not read NIST and even if you did you would not understand it, you do not have the education I'm afraid

The UN laid out detailed plans of how they can murder half the world’s population by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water (GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761). KEEP IGNORING THE FACTS.

I dont understand NIST?. Funny the Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent investigation and says that NIST hasnt explained the collapse, that the evidence got destroyed etc. Which is very easy for a sane person to understand because that IS what the documents says, but then again people here are far from normal, like you, wake up to reality sometime.

Also wake up to who runs the world. you have no right to your own facts. How many books about NWO/illuminati have you read? zero?. funny that i have a couple of books that backs up claims they make and proves things. Its hard to understand the world inside the box, step out and read some books or keep being a geeky weak minded person that spread lies. Would you take an RFID chip in your body/brain if the government told you to?.

[PixyMisa]

Again. GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761
And what does it say, Malmoe? We've demonstrated that in every case you are misquoting or misrepresenting the source material. Now fair warning, I've looked up what this section says, and I know that you're misrepresenting the text again, but this time I'd like you to do some work.

And yes never mind that they have killed thousands of kids, never mind, the government would never carry out 9-11. They really care about people.
They - and I can only assume you're referring to the Israeli anti-ringworm measures here - did not kill "thousands of kids". They treated tens of thousands of people for ringworm, using the standard procedure for the time. Some of them died from side effects decades later. Child plus several decades = adult.

Stop with your lieing and grow up please. Dont try to tell me that a text says something else then what it does. leave this thread
Point out one thing I have lied about and I will apologise unreservedly and leave the thread as you wish.

I will give the facts do you very disturbed individuals one more time.
Why not address the points we have raised that already prove that you are completely wrong?

But first, let me quote in full that edited passage you just provided:
1. Land, because of its unique nature and the crucial role it plays in human settlements, cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals a subject to the pleasures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. Social justice, urban renewal and development, the provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interests of society as a whole.

2. Instead, the pattern of land use should be determined by the long-term interests of the community, especially since decisions on location of activities and therefore of specific land uses have a long-lasting effect on the pattern and structure of human settlements. Land is also a primary element of the natural and man-made environment and a crucial link in an often delicate balance. Public control of land use is therefore indispensable to its protection as an asset and the achievement of the long-term objectives of human settlement policies and strategies.
Now to me this looks like a load of socialist twaddle guaranteed to summon the three-headed dragon of unintended consequences, but you haven't actually stated why you object to it. Apart from the fact that it appears in exactly the edited form you presented on any number of conspiracy sites.

Why didn't you look at the original, Malmoe?

They State that the human population has exceeded earth's biosphere capacity and set the parameters for recovery (Propaganda)
No they don't. They don't say either of those things, even in the edited excerpt you've provided. Now, the full text isn't available online, and the book costs four hundred dollars second hand, but this is the age of Google and Amazon, and nothing remains secret forever, even if I do need to retype it:
Whittaker and Likens (1975) have estimated than an 'agricultural world' in which most human beings are peasants, should be able to support 5 to 7 billion people, probably more if the large agricultural population were supported by and industry-promoting agricultural activity. In contrast, a reasonable estimate for an industrialized world society at the present North American material standard of living would be one billion. At the more frugal European standard of living, 2-3 billion would be possible. These figures repesent not just the contrasting material demands of developed and developing societies but also their contrasting dietary habits. Huxley (1984) considers that dietary habits lie at the root of many of our troubles and calculates that the average Westerner consumes 65kg of grain per year while the meat consumed accounts for over 900kg of grain. The average Chinese consumes 160kg of grain and under 20kg of meat per year. In short, the range of food required to feed 200 million in the West would feed 1500 million Chinese. However, the current change in the economic status of China and Southeast Asian countries will result in a shift towards Western levels of consumption with drastic implications for world food reserves and future demand, and resulting impacts on biodiversity.
Now, again we're dealing with socialist claptrap ("an 'agricultural world' in which most human beings are peasants" :boggled:) and 1975 estimates of future food production (which have been proven to be completely wrong). What we're not dealing with is any plan to kill anyone.

There is no discussion in the GBA of how 2/3 of the earth's human population might be eliminated, but it does give some clues. Agricultural practices are sharply condemned,
Of course there's no discussion of this idea, because the idea isn't in the book.

Overwhelming evidence leads to the conclusion that modern commercial agriculture has had a direct negative impact on biodiversity at all levels.... Agriculture may be one of the most important causes of pollution, by the production of sediments, by the generation of chemical wastes, or by the use of pesticides."
And do you know what the very next paragraph says? No, you don't, because you've never even looked at the book, you've only ever taken other people's word for what it contains.

But here, I'll tell you:

On the other hand, modern intensive agriculture has enabled substantial human population to be fed, without resorting to extensive forms of agriculture which might cause even worse losses of biodiversity. Current information does not allow any general conclusion on this point, but further examination of the issues involved may lead to improved understanding.

If you can see a call for genocide in that text, you've got sharper eyes than I.

Never mind that US agricultural practices have reduced these impacts to all time lows. The use of fertilizers would be sharply reduced if the GBA recommendations were implemented, in spite of the realization "that fertilisers have played an essential part in producing the world's harvests is undisputed. It is estimated that if the use of fertilisers ceased, the world's harvests would be cut almost in half." cutting the world's food production in half would certainly produce massive starvation and pestilence and cut human population by at least half.
Well, duh. Which is why they don't suggest anyone does that.

NSSM 200. ´

WONT... They are talking about using food as a weapon to contries/people that wont accept it.
Nope. You are completely, utterly, hopelessly wrong.

Here's that quote in context:

Should the U.S. set even higher agricultural production goals which would enable it to provide additional major food resources to other countries? Should they be nationally or internationally controlled?

On what basis should such food resources then be provided? Would food be considered an instrument of national power? Will we be forced to make choices as to whom we can reasonably assist, and if so, should population efforts be a criterion for such assistance?


Is the U.S. prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't control their population growth?


Should the U.S. seek to change its own food consumption patterns toward more efficient uses of protein?
They are talking about rationing food in the United States in order to provide more aid to other countries. Once again, this is the diametric opposite of what you claim it says.


Now leave this thread please. Sheeps
Waiting.

[abenja1]

Also wake up to who runs the world. you have no right to your own facts. How many books about NWO/illuminati have you read? zero?. funny that i have a couple of books that backs up claims they make and proves things. Its hard to understand the world inside the box, step out and read some books or keep being a geeky weak minded person that spread lies. Would you take an RFID chip in your body/brain if the government told you to?.

I'm going to call you out on this because no CTer I have ever talked has ever been able to answer this question. Who is the NWO? And I want names and reliable sources (that means no Alex Jones, David Icke, or any of that ilk).

[Malmoesoldier]

And what does it say, Malmoe? We've demonstrated that in every case you are misquoting or misrepresenting the source material. Now fair warning, I've looked up what this section says, and I know that you're misrepresenting the text again, but this time I'd like you to do some work.


They - and I can only assume you're referring to the Israeli anti-ringworm measures here - did not kill "thousands of kids". They treated tens of thousands of people for ringworm, using the standard procedure for the time. Some of them died from side effects decades later. Child plus several decades = adult.


Point out one thing I have lied about and I will apologise unreservedly and leave the thread as you wish.


Why not address the points we have raised that already prove that you are completely wrong?

But first, let me quote in full that edited passage you just provided:

Now to me this looks like a load of socialist twaddle guaranteed to summon the three-headed dragon of unintended consequences, but you haven't actually stated why you object to it. Apart from the fact that it appears in exactly the edited form you presented on any number of conspiracy sites.

Why didn't you look at the original, Malmoe?


No they don't. They don't say either of those things, even in the edited excerpt you've provided. Now, the full text isn't available online, and the book costs four hundred dollars second hand, but this is the age of Google and Amazon, and nothing remains secret forever, even if I do need to retype it:

Now, again we're dealing with socialist claptrap ("an 'agricultural world' in which most human beings are peasants" :boggled:) and 1975 estimates of future food production (which have been proven to be completely wrong). What we're not dealing with is any plan to kill anyone.


Of course there's no discussion of this idea, because the idea isn't in the book.


And do you know what the very next paragraph says? No, you don't, because you've never even looked at the book, you've only ever taken other people's word for what it contains.

But here, I'll tell you:



If you can see a call for genocide in that text, you've got sharper eyes than I.


Well, duh. Which is why they don't suggest anyone does that.


Nope. You are completely, utterly, hopelessly wrong.

Here's that quote in context:


They are talking about rationing food in the United States in order to provide more aid to other countries. Once again, this is the diametric opposite of what you claim it says.



Waiting.

You are being brainwshed by propaganda, the documents is propaganda. lets take NIST, they speculate and give very little facts, so many people get confused and think that when they are speaking in speculation they are speaking in fact.

The only thing you need from the UN document is the quotes i gave you, everything else has nothing to do with it, nothing at all. thoes quotes PROVES what i say, the rest of the text is just propaganda. read thoes quotes and leave the rest. And they do give the recommendation to cut the world production in half, so dont lie.

Read the truth here: http://www.discerningtoday.org/world_govn_outline.htm#N_26_

education with no real history lessons and fluoride in the water really works to dumb people down.

[JimBenArm]

Also wake up to who runs the world. you have no right to your own facts.
But I do have the right to CORRECT facts. Lies are not facts. Deal with it.
How many books about NWO/illuminati have you read? zero?. funny that i have a couple of books that backs up claims they make and proves things.
I read the Illuminatus Trilogy. Does that count?
Seriously, just because some bozo puts it on paper doesn't mean it's true. You need to develop a BS detector. Yours is obviously defective.
Its hard to understand the world inside the box, step out and read some books or keep being a geeky weak minded person that spread lies.
Geeky? What's wrong with that?
And geeky is not synonomous with weak minded.
And I don't spread lies. That's what paranoid conspiracy morons do.
Would you take an RFID chip in your body/brain if the government told you to?.
Which government? Local? State? County? Federal? Which part of the federal government? The FBI, CIA, USDA, FEMA, DoD, IRS, DoJ? Clay County Collector's Office? Kansas City Parks and Recreation Department?
The "government" is not a monolithic agency. To throw stuff like this out shows how misinformed and ignorant you really are.

Sorry. You lose yet again.

Now, we get to put the RFID chip in your eye. Hold still, this won't hurt me a bit...

[Firestone]

The only thing you need from the UN document is the quotes i gave you, everything else has nothing to do with it, nothing at all. thoes quotes PROVES what i say, the rest of the text is just propaganda. read thoes quotes and leave the rest. And they do give the recommendation to cut the world production in half, so dont lie. Absolutely brilliant!

The best apology for quote-mining ever written.

[Dave Rogers]

The only thing you need from the UN document is the quotes i gave you, everything else has nothing to do with it, nothing at all. thoes quotes PROVES what i say, the rest of the text is just propaganda.

I'm going to be the first to Stundie this one!

Dave

[Dave Rogers]

You need to develop a BS detector. Yours is obviously defective.

I think it works fine, it's just wired the wrong way round.

Dave

[Malmoesoldier]

I'm going to call you out on this because no CTer I have ever talked has ever been able to answer this question. Who is the NWO? And I want names and reliable sources (that means no Alex Jones, David Icke, or any of that ilk).

I have many books after a chapter of óne book i have in front of me there are 90 sources. You know a book often is about 400 pages or more, do you know why? because there are alot of information, do you want me to write 400 pages because you are lazy and wont read anything else then the news paper?, no thanks. People should think that books that talk about NWO etc looks interesting with all the well knows facts like the bushes funded hitler and the iran contra scandal etc, but you never pick up a book and just keep spreading lies. you know something is wrong, no WMDS in iraq, strange laws after 9-11 etc, most people know, but they dont want to find out the truth because they can't handle it.

[PixyMisa]

You are being brainwshed by propaganda, the documents is propaganda.
Malmoe, I have just demonstrated that the documents say the opposite of what you claim they say. You are taking your claims word-for-word from conspiracy websites. Therefore, provably, you are being brainwashed by propaganda.

Sorry.

lets take NIST, they speculate and give very little facts, so many get people get confused and think that when they are speaking in speculation they are speaking in fact.Have you read the NIST report?

The only thing you need from the UN document is the quotes i gave you, everything else has nothing to do with it, nothing at all.That's complete nonsense. What you are presenting aren't accurate quotes; they are removed from context and edited to conform to a false picture of what they are supposed to say.

thoes quotes PROVES what i sayNo. Distorted as they are, they still don't support your claims.

the rest of the text is just propaganda.How do you know?

read thoes quotes and leave the rest.Read your carefully selected, edited, out-of-context quotes and ignore every fact that contradicts your position? Why the hell would I do that?

And they do give the recommendation to cut the world production in half, so dont lie.If they say that, you will be able to provide the quote, complete, unedited, in context, which makes that recommendation. Not something you've misinterpreted, but a clear and direct call to cut world food production in half.

I'll be here when you're ready.

Read the truth here: http://www.discerningtoday.org/world_govn_outline.htm#N_26_Sorry, I've looked, and I can't find any truth there.

I consider the UN to be comprised of equal parts greed, corruption, and fuzzy-minded wishful thinking, but that page is... Let's just say, unsupported by the evidence.

education and fluoride in the water really works to dumb people down.But they're great for your teeth! :D

[abenja1]

I have many books after a chapter of óne book i have in front of me there are 90 sources. You know a book often is about 400 pages or more, do you know why? because there are alot of information, do you want me to write 400 pages because you are lazy and wont read anything else then the news paper?, no thanks. People should think that books that talk about NWO etc looks interesting with all the well knows facts like the bushes funded hitler and the iran contra scandal etc, but you never pick up a book and just keep spreading lies. you know something is wrong, no WMDS in iraq, strange laws after 9-11 etc, most people know, but they dont want to find out the truth because they can't handle it.


Typical CTer doublespeak. I will assume those "many" books are Jones and Icke as you did not name any. In case if you did not read my post I asked for sources, not a book summary. You know something I've come to realize you truthers are no different than Bush 43. You spread lies through fear, exaggerations, unproven facts and panic. You try to get into the hearts and minds of people all because you have an unproven agenda that gets trounced by the most scientific and logical of minds. And btw you still haven't addressed a question another poster said: if the UN is trying to prevent people from giving birth, then how will they be able to fulfill their pedophile insincts. As well you haven't addressed the question if they want to kill us or enslave us: sorry but they can't do both. Now if you don't mind I have to go back and tell Ms. Rothschild.... I mean I have to go to study.

[funk de fino]

The UN laid out detailed plans of how they can murder half the world’s population by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water (GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761). KEEP IGNORING THE FACTS.

Liar, they never say anywhere they will murder anyone, the word is not even in the doc

I dont understand NIST?. Funny the Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent investigation and says that NIST hasnt explained the collapse, that the evidence got destroyed etc. Which is very easy for a sane person to understand because that IS what the documents says, but then again people here are far from normal, like you, wake up to reality sometime.

You do not understand what his problem with the NIST report is do you?

Derail anyway and you still have not read it have you?

Also wake up to who runs the world. you have no right to your own facts. How many books about NWO/illuminati have you read? zero?. funny that i have a couple of books that backs up claims they make and proves things. Its hard to understand the world inside the box, step out and read some books or keep being a geeky weak minded person that spread lies. Would you take an RFID chip in your body/brain if the government told you to?.

Have you ever been out of sweden? Have you ever been shot at? Have you ever had missiles fired at you? Have you ever fired a weapon of any kind? Do you have medals for fighting in wars?

I can answer yes to all above so i claim that I am not geeky. Tell me what you have done action man?

ETA: And no I would not take a RFID chip because my govt told me to. Be careful though my govt is probably not who you think they are

[Malmoesoldier]

Typical CTer doublespeak. I will assume those "many" books are Jones and Icke as you did not name any. In case if you did not read my post I asked for sources, not a book summary. You know something I've come to realize you truthers are no different than Bush 43. You spread lies through fear, exaggerations, unproven facts and panic. You try to get into the hearts and minds of people all because you have an unproven agenda that gets trounced by the most scientific and logical of minds. And btw you still haven't addressed a question another poster said: if the UN is trying to prevent people from giving birth, then how will they be able to fulfill their pedophile insincts. As well you haven't addressed the question if they want to kill us or enslave us: sorry but they can't do both. Now if you don't mind I have to go back and tell Ms. Rothschild.... I mean I have to go to study.

Yes its that simple, i can write two words and you will have the proof, maybe! its not that simple, there are so much proof that i cant write it all here and you haft to connect the dots. I dont think it mather if i give you some names of some book you wont read theme anyway right, beacuse you already know how the world works beacuse you learn that in school. lol

Dont trust people like gravy, funk de fino etc they are all liers that never reads anything else then the news they are totaly brainwashed by the system.

You do not understand what his problem with the NIST report is do you?

Yes that NIST dont explains the collapse in the NIST report. I know you dont understand that, because that IS what he says, and when ever a text says something you give the words new meanings, because you are not a sane person.

And now you will probably awnser "But he dont think it was a controlled demolition!"

Inside the box inside the box.....

[abenja1]

Yes its that simple, i can write two words and you will have the proof, maybe!.

I guess you never read my post, I asked you to name books and that are reliable. Not a book summary.

its not that simple, there are so much proof that i cant write it all here and you haft to connect the dots. I dont think it mather if i give you some names of some book you wont read theme anyway right, beacuse you already know how the world works beacuse you learn that in school. lol.!.

You don't want to give them to me, because if I did look at those books, I would be able to find 10,000 books that disproved any CT those books had. And at least the teachers I had never deliberatly lied, unlike you.


Dont trust people like gravy, funk de fino etc they are all liers that never reads anything else then the news they are totaly brainwashed by the system..

I trust these people because they are logical and don't use put fear in people in the hopes that they follow their agenda, unlike you whose crying the "THE UN WANTS TO KILL YOU." BTW, don't even bring up the news. You truthers are A+ hypocrites when it comes to the news. You will cite mainstream news sources that will help your agenda, but yet when they talk about any issue that disagrees with your agenda, you whine "THE MEDIA IS CONTROLLED BY THE GOVT." You can't have it both ways. And I've been in newsrooms unlike you and you have a warped view on what you think goes on behind the scenes in news venues. BTW you have also not addressed any of the questions I have brought up in the previous post.

[JimBenArm]

Yes its that simple, i can write two words and you will have the proof, maybe! its not that simple, there are so much proof that i cant write it all here and you haft to connect the dots. I dont think it mather if i give you some names of some book you wont read theme anyway right, beacuse you already know how the world works beacuse you learn that in school. lol
Actually, I learned how the world works by actually being out in the world, not hiding away in a basement play-acting that I'm some soldier in a non-existent revolution. I quit playing connect-the-dots puzzles at 3 years old because they are incredibly boring. Much like your arguments.

Dont trust people like gravy, funk de fino etc they are all liers that never reads anything else then the news they are totaly brainwashed by the system.

But be sure to trust people like you who constantly can't read properly, refuse to do anything more than post innuendo and childish insults? Oh, yeah, that works for me! I'm convinced!


Yes that NIST dont explains the collapse in the NIST report. I know you dont understand that, because that IS what he says, and when ever a text says something you give the words new meanings, because you are not a sane person.

You are qualified to comment on someone's sanity because...?

And now you will probably awnser "But he dont think it was a controlled demolition!"
Mostly because he never said it was. Why don't you ask him, and find this out for yourself.

Inside the box inside the box.....
Actually, it's you who cannot think outside of the box you've placed yourself in. Paranoia and fear is no way to live your life. Ten years from now, you'll wonder what happened to all the years you wasted on this nonsense. Meanwhile, those of us who aren't trapped in a self-made prison of terror will have actually accomplished things (hell, I already HAVE accomplished a lot), and will just sadly laugh at you. Well, okay, not sadly...

[achtung circus]

I know that you are stuck in a loop but this:

Yes its that simple, i can write two words and you will have the proof...

followed by

there are so much proof that i cant write it all here


is a classic.:jaw-dropp

Have you tried a hard reboot?

[Malmoesoldier]

I guess you never read my post, I asked you to name books and that are reliable. Not a book summary.

Sure, some good books you should read is

tragedy and hope.

Pawns in the game.

The coming battle: A complete history of the national banking money power in the United States.

circle of intrigue.

Start with those books

[JimBenArm]

You should start with Dr. Seuss. They make a lot more sense than these do.

Try "Green Eggs and Ham" to start.

[mrbaracuda]

Originally Posted by Malmoesoldier
You dont understand the quote what he says and means?. i will not bother with this thread anymore. keep spreading lies guys, cya at the battlefield.

You posted this a while back. You didn't keep your promise.

And I'm still waiting for a reply written by him why exactly he quotes that one. :(

So, Malmoesoldier, would you please tell me why you quoted that and what it means to you and how it relates?

By the way, funny how this got from "UN killing 80% of the world's population" to "someone told me the NIST-report is propaganda so it has to be true".

[...]fluoride in the water really works to dumb people down.

Hey, my salt got fluoride added to it. Phew, thank god I use more nampla than that salt. :rolleyes:

[Malmoesoldier]

You should start with Dr. Seuss. They make a lot more sense than these do.

Try "Green Eggs and Ham" to start.

Nothing makes sense to you because you dont read anything you just talk trash. "tradekey and hope" by the way is written by the elit.

Jimbenarm the next step for you should be to debunk that the world and life exists. But you dont haft to because nothing exist in your religion anyway right, words have new meanings when ever you like theme to have it.

[T.A.M.]

I normally don't like to point out spelling errors, but you have made a number of them. Take a little time to (proof) read your posts before hitting the reply button please.

TAM:)

[Jonnyclueless]

Say, did that truther claim from the 60s about the government plot to put LSD in the water supply ever pan out?

[mrbaracuda]

No offense, Malmoesoldier, but let's try something here!

Yes its ... simple, i can write two words... proof, maybe! its ... simple, ... i cant write ... dots. I dont think ... anyway right, beacuse ... school. lol

... trust people like gravy, funk de fino etc they are ... anything else then the news ...



Yes ... NIST ... explains the collapse in the NIST report. I know you ...understand that, because ... you are ... a sane person.

....

Am I qualified to create my own CT page or what? :rolleyes:

[JimBenArm]

Nothing makes sense to you because you dont read anything you just talk trash. "tradekey and hope" by the way is written by the elit.

Jimbenarm the next step for you should be to debunk that the world and life exists. But you dont haft to because nothing exist in your religion anyway right, words have new meanings when ever you like theme to have it.
Who is "elit"? Is that supposed to be T. S. Eliot? You're trying to foist a book on poetry off on me? No way, I'm too manly for that! I'll leave that sissy stuff to you!

Actually, the next step for me is to keep doing what I do. I have no religion, and I don't debunk. I only mock the obviously stupid things posted here. Hence, my adoration of you.

I don't understand what "theme" my words have, other than being very funny and way beyond your comprehension level. Ah, well, too bad! Just means more room at the NWO table for me, and none for you!

Oh, and Yay, me! Again!

[timhau]

The UN laid out detailed plans of how they can murder half the world’s population by restricting fertilizers and access to irrigation water (GBA Section 11.2.2.5 page 761). KEEP IGNORING THE FACTS.

Half? Did a lucky 30% just get promoted?


Also wake up to who runs the world. you have no right to your own facts.

:id:

[timhau]

I have many books after a chapter of óne book i have in front of me there are 90 sources.

It's not the quantity of your sources, it's the quality. As incredible as it may sound to you, crap doesn't magically turn to gold when there's a huge pile of it.

[BenBurch]

Say, did that truther claim from the 60s about the government plot to put LSD in the water supply ever pan out?

I had friends in the SDS when I was in college (told you I'm a radical) and they say that they seriously DID plan to put LSD into the Chicago Water Supply in 68. I forget now why they say they didn't do it, I think it was a sudden flash of sanity, but they were quite serious that they had planned it to the point of acquiring the LSD. (It later was sold at Grateful Dead concerts as blotter acid.)

So, it was a (possibly) real plot, but not a real government plot.

[achtung circus]

I had friends in the SDS when I was in college (told you I'm a radical) and they say that they seriously DID plan to put LSD into the Chicago Water Supply in 68. I forget now why they say they didn't do it, I think it was a sudden flash of sanity, but they were quite serious that they had planned it to the point of acquiring the LSD. (It later was sold at Grateful Dead concerts as blotter acid.)

So, it was a (possibly) real plot, but not a real government plot.

IIRC LSD is broken down very quickly in the presence of chlorine. That Chicago uses chlorine to disinfect the water would put a crimp in that plan.

Hey, chlorine/flouride, is there a Government connection?

[abenja1]

Sure, some good books you should read is

tragedy and hope.

Pawns in the game.

The coming battle: A complete history of the national banking money power in the United States.

circle of intrigue.

Start with those books

Tragedy and Hope is a book written by CFR archiver Carroll Quigley. I thought you weren't supposed to trust those people. William Guy Carr who Pawns in the Game could not backup his 3 world wars hypothesis when he was given the chance and when he had oppurtunities. Circle of Intrigue is written by one of the most anti-semitic pigs ever. He could make Mel Gibson look like a rabbi. THe Coming Battle looks like it may have any importance as it is about US Debt but of course it blames the Rothschilds and blah blah. I will be on the lookout for those "reliable" books in my library. BTW you have not still addressed my questions so I will ask them again:

1. Who is in the NWO?

2. How can the UN fufill its pedophiliac fantasies if they are going to kill children?

3. Do they want to enslave us or kill us? They cant do both

4. If you truthers are so anti-MSM, then why do you cite them when the story fits your agenda but cry "MSM is part of the govt" when they don't?

[Malmoesoldier]

Tragedy and Hope is a book written by CFR archiver Carroll Quigley. I thought you weren't supposed to trust those people. William Guy Carr who Pawns in the Game could not backup his 3 world wars hypothesis when he was given the chance and when he had oppurtunities. Circle of Intrigue is written by one of the most anti-semitic pigs ever. He could make Mel Gibson look like a rabbi. THe Coming Battle looks like it may have any importance as it is about US Debt but of course it blames the Rothschilds and blah blah. I will be on the lookout for those "reliable" books in my library. BTW you have not still addressed my questions so I will ask them again:

1. Who is in the NWO?

2. How can the UN fufill its pedophiliac fantasies if they are going to kill children?

3. Do they want to enslave us or kill us? They cant do both

4. If you truthers are so anti-MSM, then why do you cite them when the story fits your agenda but cry "MSM is part of the govt" when they don't?


Pawns in the game tells the truth about the illuminati mafia that runs the world.

Circle of Intrigue is very well writen book, Texe Marrs is a good person, but i dont agree with him on some of his belifies from the bible, but there are many interesting things from the bible that he mentions in some of his books.

Tragedy and Hope, I was looking for a good review of this book but couldnt find it.

"Quigley, having been given access to the private records of the "Insiders," spills the beans about the identity (Rothschild, Morgan, etc.) and the world-wide works of those Insider elites.

A review of the Coming Battle

These are the first-hand accounts and articles that document the collusion of international banks to form the Federal Reserve and gain control of America.

Read about the manipulation of our money and its supply, the intentional creation of recessions, depressions and panics. The manipulation of the stock markets. The demonetization of silver. A breathtaking history told in the words of a contemporary witness to these events.

The Coming Battle documents from congressional records, newspaper reports and writings by the founding fathers and others a chronology of events long forgotten that shaped our fledgling nation from 1776 to 1899.

Now, read for the first time in almost a century, the book that documents how and why our elected representatives and the banking money power deliberatly created the national debt. The Coming Battle, first published in 1899, is the chronological history of the usurping of every American's sovereign rights by the unseen money powers and their agents.

READ how recessions, depressions, and panics are created at will and how the stock markets are manipulated for power and gain.

READ how the manufacturers, with the backing of the money power, import cheap foreign labor, resulting in countless labor riots.

READ how the money power took control of the influential colleges and universities in the United States.

READ how the money power created starvation and suffering in a nation of plenty and how small family farms are set up for foreclosures.

READ how silver was demonetized by the money power, resulting in a five -year depression, that devastated the people and the western regions of the United States.

READ about the Democratic platform of 1840.

READ how the banking money power fleeced the treasury of our gold and silver and replaced it with their worthless paper money.

READ how legislation was signed and passed into law pledging every American citizen as collateral for the repayment of all government debts in gold and silver.

READ about Napoleon The III, attempting to unite nations under a common currency.

READ about the corporate takeover of America.

Told in breathtaking detail with proof-positive evidence taken from Congressional records, newspaper reports, writings of the day, and statements by our founding fathers.

After you have read the Coming Battle, the documentary america freedom to fascism is a most watch.

1. Who is in the NWO?

2. How can the UN fufill its pedophiliac fantasies if they are going to kill children?

3. Do they want to enslave us or kill us? They cant do both

4. If you truthers are so anti-MSM, then why do you cite them when the story fits your agenda but cry "MSM is part of the govt" when they don't

1. David rockefeller, henry kissinger, bill clinton, do you want me to go on forever?. Its all kind of people not just americans.

2. You mean there wont be any children on the earth if the population only is around 1 billion?.

3. They want to enslave us, i have never said they want to kill all of us.

4. A smart person understands when the news tells the truth and when they lie, you can look things up and see if its true or not, look up "operation mockingbird". Every time a news paper talks about global warming today they say that it is real, yet the majority of scientist says it is not. today canada-mexico-amerca is under the way to become one contry with their own money and the media doesn't talk about it, etc

[Malmoesoldier]

An inconvenient new peer-reviewed study published in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology Finds ‘Warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence’

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/117857349/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/908

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/121107_global_warming.htm

The evidence already show this, its a fraud just like overpopulation and UN wants a tax, isnt the NWO controll freaks satisfied with their illegal income tax?.

The creeping fascism of globan warming hysteria: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/watson021307.htm

Look to Mars for the truth on global warming: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0

Schools must warn of Gore climate film bias: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=485336&in_page_id=1811 and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/111007Gore.htm

A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200608/NAT20060804c.html and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/050806history.htm

"Stranded Polar Bears" Global Warming Hoax Exposed: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/130707_b_polarbears.htm

Oldest DNA ever recovered shows warmer planet report: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070705191403.gahmdtoi&show_article=1

Definitive Proof: Majority Of Scientists Do Not Support Man Made Warming Theory: http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/300807Warming.htm

[abenja1]

4. A smart person understands when the news tells the truth and when they lie, you can look things up and see if its true or not, look up "operation mockingbird". Every time a news paper talks about global warming today they say that it is real, yet the majority of scientist says it is not. today canada-mexico-amerca is under the way to become one contry with their own money and the media doesn't talk about it, etc

I'll rephrase this. When it conforms to your version of the truth, then its okay. When its not, its baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddd

[DGM]

An inconvenient new peer-reviewed study published in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology Finds ‘Warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence.
Have you read the original paper or is that just propaganda too.

[DavidJames]

An inconvenient new peer-reviewed study published in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology Finds ‘Warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence’

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/117857349/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/908

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/121107_global_warming.htm

The evidence already show this, its a fraud just like overpopulation and UN wants a tax, isnt the NWO controll freaks satisfied with their illegal income tax?.

The creeping fascism of globan warming hysteria: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/watson021307.htm

Look to Mars for the truth on global warming: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0

Schools must warn of Gore climate film bias: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=485336&in_page_id=1811 and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/111007Gore.htm

A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200608/NAT20060804c.html and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/050806history.htm

"Stranded Polar Bears" Global Warming Hoax Exposed: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/130707_b_polarbears.htm

Oldest DNA ever recovered shows warmer planet report: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070705191403.gahmdtoi&show_article=1

Definitive Proof: Majority Of Scientists Do Not Support Man Made Warming Theory: http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/300807Warming.htm

Thank you so much for this information. Any doubts I may have had about global warming being real have now been erased. If you think it's a hoax then it must be real.

Please seek profession help.

[PixyMisa]

An inconvenient new peer-reviewed study published in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology Finds ‘Warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence’
Has global warming killed 80% of the world's population? If not, why are you raising it as a topic?

[stateofgrace]

An inconvenient new peer-reviewed study published in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology Finds ‘Warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence’

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/117857349/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/908

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/121107_global_warming.htm

The evidence already show this, its a fraud just like overpopulation and UN wants a tax, isnt the NWO controll freaks satisfied with their illegal income tax?.

The creeping fascism of globan warming hysteria: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/watson021307.htm

Look to Mars for the truth on global warming: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0

Schools must warn of Gore climate film bias: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=485336&in_page_id=1811 and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/111007Gore.htm

A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200608/NAT20060804c.html and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/050806history.htm

"Stranded Polar Bears" Global Warming Hoax Exposed: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/130707_b_polarbears.htm

Oldest DNA ever recovered shows warmer planet report: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070705191403.gahmdtoi&show_article=1

Definitive Proof: Majority Of Scientists Do Not Support Man Made Warming Theory: http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/300807Warming.htm

This is great news, I'm off out to buy that really big car I always wanted, the one that really guzzles all the gas. Even better those dam trees that have been sat at the end of my garden, they are gone, and they are total firewood. Who needs them?
Oh boy that suddenly reminds me, I am a bit chilly, best I crank up my central heating to max. Oh hang on I just had to switch on every single electrical appliance in my house, because hey nothing I do contributes to global warming or climate change.

Thanks for the heads up

Ps, I am being sarcastic.

[JimBenArm]

Has global warming killed 80% of the world's population? If not, why are you raising it as a topic?
Just throwing random stuff to see what sticks, is my guess.

[Cuddles]

It's not the quantity of your sources, it's the quality. As incredible as it may sound to you, crap doesn't magically turn to gold when there's a huge pile of it.

Sure it does. You just need a really, really huge pile of it. Just let it collapse into a ball under it's own weight and wait for the carbon to finish fusing. You should get a nice little explosion at that point that will produce all the gold you can eat.

[BenBurch]

Looks like Malmoe is doing some research; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#carrying_capacity

:D

[Mince]

Sadly (and typically), Alex Jones associates population control with population reduction; and, of course, their are many people who indiscrimately believe his gospel. The human race cannot continue to expand and expect to survive on this planet's finite resources. So we do need population control. Of course that means reducing the rate at which our population expands, not annihilating existing population. But with our system of free speech, Jones is free to believe (and convince others), on the radio and without substantive proof, that an omnipotent and as yet unnammed controlling body wants to destroy the greater majority of humanity. Excuse me while I laugh when Jones then claims our First Amendment rights have been stripped.

[BenBurch]

Mince,

Perversely, acting as Jones would have us act guarantees that we will have a reduction of at least 80% when we all starve to death.

Isn't that sick?

-Ben

[dudalb]

Regarding Texe Marrs as a reliable source deserves a automatic Stundie nomination.

[Malmoesoldier]

Mince,

Perversely, acting as Jones would have us act guarantees that we will have a reduction of at least 80% when we all starve to death.

Isn't that sick?

-Ben

Stop the personal attacks and insults.

Now sick stuff is

To state that the earths natural resources only could sustain 1-2 billion people.

To state that a way to reduce the population would be cutting the worlds food production in half.

To have one child policy

To sterilize people with force

To murder children and people

To want a tax because we humans breath.

[tomwaits]

To quote Derek Smart, "Some people have even questioned my insanity. But, I never doubt."

[Malmoesoldier]

Thank you so much for this information. Any doubts I may have had about global warming being real have now been erased. If you think it's a hoax then it must be real.

Please seek profession help.

WHATS THE MATTER YOU DONT LIKE THE FACTS? SORRY THAT I OFFENDED YOUR RELIGION

[uk_dave]

Malmoesoldier,

It is apparent that you will never convince anyone on this forum to believe what you believe. Likewise, it seems apparent that no one has managed to penetrate your certainty in your beliefs.

I suggest you try preaching somewhere else. There are other forum out there where people may be more receptive to your view of the world. I believe one of them is called the 'Loose Change Forum'.

There are people who post on there who don't quite match up to your level of... belief in the evil of the nwo (or whatever), but I am sure they would appreciate you visiting there to educate them. They're almost there, they just need someone such as you to come and give them a little push.

How about it? You'll feel much better and won't have to skirt so close to being censured by the mods here....and we'll all feel alot better too.

Just a thought.

[Mince]

Ben you are a satanist if you know it or not and having thoes beliefs you have will only get you shoot.

Now sick stuff is

To state that the earths natural resources only could sustain 1-2 billion people.

So tell me then, in your expert opinion, exactly how many people can Earth's resources support? And don't forget that "space" is a resource too. Also, does it make sense to you that if we keep burying our dead in the ground, that someday we are going to run out of space to bury people?

[mrbaracuda]

After I read uk dave's reply I thought to myself: the sole fact Malmoesoldier's still posting here - is it like an outcry, seeking help? His last huge and bold reply looked to me as if he's on the edge of a mental breakdown because his claims are being profoundly challenged and he can't handle it.

But then again, I guess he's just another disinfo agent from the NWO to discredit the twoof movement and everything related to it. :boxedin:

[Jonnyclueless]

IIRC LSD is broken down very quickly in the presence of chlorine. That Chicago uses chlorine to disinfect the water would put a crimp in that plan.

Hey, chlorine/flouride, is there a Government connection?


That must be why they switched to chamtrails.

[JimBenArm]

That must be why they switched to chamtrails.
Is that where they spray ground-up chameleons to hide the chemtrails?

[BenBurch]

I was gonna twit Malmoe by posting a "Hail Satan" bumpersticker, but what's the point?

At this point it has become clear that he is self-parodying, and I wonder if he isn't a hoax somebody is playing on us?

[BenBurch]

You are not offending our religions, Malmoe, I think you will find that a fairly large number of us here are atheists or agnostics.

[timhau]

You are not offending our religions, Malmoe, I think you will find that a fairly large number of us here are atheists or agnostics.

Thats what you say you satanist NWO people but I have seen the facts in a book I picked up you looser. Now tell me: do you support killing people or not? Its simple, if you think the earth can only support a few billion people, you support killing them. This has been proved on prisonplanet over and over again. Now get out of this thre...

*gasp*

Oh my FSM. It's contagious!

[ArmillarySphere]

education with no real history lessons and fluoride in the water really works to dumb people down.
Hey, my salt got fluoride added to it. Phew, thank god I use more nampla than that salt. :rolleyes:
I found that quote hilariously ironic, since if Malmoesoldier is a Swede, he's probably been drinking fluoride with his tap water all his life. I'm not sure just what that says about his theory... :p

Salt commonly has added iodine here, to combat those Russki nukes we were expecting in the '80s.

[Malmoesoldier]

I found that quote hilariously ironic, since if Malmoesoldier is a Swede, he's probably been drinking fluoride with his tap water all his life. I'm not sure just what that says about his theory... :p

Salt commonly has added iodine here, to combat those Russki nukes we were expecting in the '80s.

Not so ironic if you know the facts. We dont have much floride in the water in sweden, dont you know?. but it has been a big problem worldwide, many people has had brain damage, liver and kidney damage etc.

Two good swedish articles about floride
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Study/2653/dafreeworld/fluor.htm
http://www.sund.nu/docs/printArtikel.asp?art=533&tem=2&und=0

[PixyMisa]

Ben you are a satanist if you know it or not and having thoes beliefs you have will only get you shoot.
Why would it get him shoot? I mean shot? Isn't it the satanist NWO who are shooting people?

Now sick stuff is

To state that the earths natural resources only could sustain 1-2 billion people.
The statement is that for a given standard of living, the Earth's resources can support a given number of people. This requires certain assumptions, but once you make those assumptions, the calculations aren't complicated.

How is this sick?

To state that a way to reduce the population would be cutting the worlds food production in half.
This statement appears nowhere in any of the documents you have cited.

To have one child policy
Disagreeable, maybe. Depends on how the policy is enforced. But when your country already has a population over a billion, it may be better than the alternative.

To sterilize people with force

To murder children and people
I'll grant you those, but who is doing this? Specifics, please. Who, when, where, how many, that sort of detail.

To want a tax because we humans breath.
Now what are you talking about?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Not so ironic if you know the facts. We dont have much floride in the water in sweden, dont you know?.


Do Swedes brush their teeth?

[Foolmewunz]

I just read through this entire thread. (Yeah, I'm a massochist.)

This is *Pillory, right? Having a lark after going through a bottle of Absinthe, no doubt.


*Except that Pillory makes more sense.


So, have we missed anything?
NWO? Check!
Illuminati? Check!
Chemtrails? Check!
Forced Sterilization? Check!
Paedophile Conspiracy? Check!
Texas? Check!
911? Check!
Grampa Bush? Check!
Evil UN? Check!
Kissinger? Check!

Okay, I think I missed Holocaust, JFK and Apollo. Other than that, looks like we've got the full set.

[BenBurch]

The males don't. Thats why Swedish women would rather wrap themselves around one of us toothy Americans.

[Corsair 115]

Okay, I think I missed Holocaust, JFK and Apollo. Other than that, looks like we've got the full set.Pearl Harbor, don't forget Pearl Harbor!

[PixyMisa]

And Free Silver! I mean, wow, 19th century conspiracy theories. :cool:

[hellaeon]

It would be interesting to meet someone like MS in real life, listen to him go on for days, just nodding and saying 'ok' then at the end of his tyrade, just say 'Nah, your wrong, cheers'....
Not sure if it is my sadistic streak or what but I would find the look on his face highly entertaining

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Ben you are a satanist if you know it or not and having thoes beliefs you have will only get you shoot.
. . .
Why, I mean, why do you paranoids continually assume that if you ever get around to revolting (rather than being revolting) that no one would protect themselves from your lynch-mob vigilantism?

[Pardalis]

I'm kind of waiting for him to say that Global Warming is part of the plan too...

An inconvenient new peer-reviewed study published in the December 2007 issue of the International Journal of Climatology Finds ‘Warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence’

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/117857349/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/908

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/121107_global_warming.htm

The evidence already show this, its a fraud just like overpopulation and UN wants a tax, isnt the NWO controll freaks satisfied with their illegal income tax?.

The creeping fascism of globan warming hysteria: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/watson021307.htm

Look to Mars for the truth on global warming: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0

Schools must warn of Gore climate film bias: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=485336&in_page_id=1811 and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/111007Gore.htm

A Bit of History for Global Warmers: Look at 1930: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200608/NAT20060804c.html and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/050806history.htm

"Stranded Polar Bears" Global Warming Hoax Exposed: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/130707_b_polarbears.htm

Oldest DNA ever recovered shows warmer planet report: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070705191403.gahmdtoi&show_article=1

Definitive Proof: Majority Of Scientists Do Not Support Man Made Warming Theory: http://infowars.net/articles/august2007/300807Warming.htm

Oh yeah baby! What do I win?

[Tolls]

It would be interesting to meet someone like MS in real life, listen to him go on for days, just nodding and saying 'ok' then at the end of his tyrade, just say 'Nah, your wrong, cheers'....
Not sure if it is my sadistic streak or what but I would find the look on his face highly entertaining

From where I'm sat that sounds more masochistic than sadistic!
:eek:

[BenBurch]

Why, I mean, why do you paranoids continually assume that if you ever get around to revolting (rather than being revolting) that no one would protect themselves from your lynch-mob vigilantism?

I keep my shotgun loaded.

[achtung circus]

Pearl Harbor, don't forget Pearl Harbor!

Did I miss the FEMA death camps??

[LashL]

I just read through this entire thread. (Yeah, I'm a massochist.)

This is *Pillory, right? Having a lark after going through a bottle of Absinthe, no doubt.


*Except that Pillory makes more sense.


So, have we missed anything?
NWO? Check!
Illuminati? Check!
Chemtrails? Check!
Forced Sterilization? Check!
Paedophile Conspiracy? Check!
Texas? Check!
911? Check!
Grampa Bush? Check!
Evil UN? Check!
Kissinger? Check!

Okay, I think I missed Holocaust, JFK and Apollo. Other than that, looks like we've got the full set.

I have to admit that I get a bit of a giggle out of seeing tinhatters melt down and spew all manner of conspiracy nonsense, as Malmo has done here, since it nicely serves as further evidence that 9/11 conspiracy fantasists are full of crap.

Does finding amusement in the derangement of others make me a bad person? Maybe.

But, well done, malmo!

[mrbaracuda]

You know, I actually wish he had a chip implanted so we can track him down on the internets in order to make fun of him, whatever forum he visits.

[timhau]

Sometimes, one can't help but wonder why they're called chips instead of flakes.

[Horatius]

Not that I want to give Malmoe any more ammo, but it turns out the UN is still admiting they need fertilizer to feed 9 billion humans:

http://www.reason.com/blog/show/124001.html

http://www.fao.org/newsroom/en/news/2007/1000726/index.html


Judicious use of chemical inputs, especially fertilizers, could help significantly boost food production in Sub-Saharan Africa, where farmers use less than one tenth of the fertilizer applied by their Asian counterparts, Dr. Diouf said. Much of African soil suffers from constraints such as acidity and lowered fertility and is greatly in need of soil amendments and nutrients.

In its annual World Development Report, the World Bank noted this year, that “low fertilizer use is one of the major constraints on increasing agricultural productivity in Sub-Sahara Africa”.

Malawi, for years a recipient of food aid, has recently boosted its maize production after adopting a policy of providing small-scale farmers with seeds and fertilizers.

“However, chemical inputs must be used with care,” Dr. Diouf said. “You have to choose the right inputs, right amounts, and apply them in the right way and at the right time."





When will these Evil Fiends learn?

[uk_dave]

Not that I want to give Malmoe any more ammo, but it turns out the UN is still admiting they need fertilizer to feed 9 billion humans:



Are DVD's biodegradeable?

[timhau]

Are DVD's biodegradeable?

Alex Jones's DVDs might be, because they're so full of [rule10].

[maxpower1227]

OMG....

The following graph was published in a book I just purchased today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/maxpower01/Picture1.png

DEBUNK THAT YOU SHILLS!!!112!ONE!!E11!!!

[Ladewig]

Also, if the UNNWO have been working for over thirty years to eliminate 80% of the world population, I think we can conclude that they're not very good at it.

The past 4 years seems to indicate that negative progress is being made toward the ultimate goal.

[Robrob]

I assume in the previous billion or so posts, someone has brought up if the worlds population was reduced by 80% industry and commerce would fail and we'd probably be on the slippery slope to hunter gatherer again.

I guess the UNNWO is incompetent as well as cunning in its plan to take over the planet?