Why do conspiracy nuts worship the Founding Fathers, yet hate the Freemason/Elites?

[NikZeta302]

One of the things I seem to notice in Conspiracy circles is they have this great admiration for the Founding Fathers yet they hate the Freemasons which some were and the Elite which all of them were. This paradox surprises me in that they have this hate for "the New World Order" yet treat there predecessors as perfect Demi-gods of ideology and government. Why do they treat the FF so, when all what most of them were elitist rich old white men?

[Davidlpf]

One of the things I seem to notice in Conspiracy circles is they have this great admiration for the Founding Fathers yet they hate the Freemasons which some were and the Elite which all of them were. This paradox surprises me in that they have this hate for "the New World Order" yet treat there predecessors as perfect Demi-gods of ideology and government. Why do they treat the FF so, when all what most of them were elitist rich old white men?

They probably want to be seen as some great person in history like the US FF, like a lot of people who think of a new thoery of the how universe works tried compare themselves to Einstein.

[NikZeta302]

But why the FF, most Historians say that Lincoln and FDR are the best US leaders in history but the nuts consider them two as "New World Order"?

[Davidlpf]

But why the FF, most Historians say that Lincoln and FDR are the best US leaders in history but the nuts consider them two as "New World Order"?

Look what Lincoln and FDR did, to some this may seemed like they betrayed certain groups and gave more power to other groups.

[NikZeta302]

Look what Lincoln and FDR did, to some this may seemed like they betrayed certain groups and gave more power to other groups.

George Washington marched the US army into the backwoods of America because some drunks refused to pay alcohol taxes, if Alex Jones lived back in that time he would be calling Washington "a tax loving Mason King".

[gtc]

I think that they have forgotten the origins of their CT.

In the 1800s and early 1900s the Jews/Zionists/Freemasons/Illuminati/Knights Templar/Man of the Mountain etc were blamed for the US revolution, just as they were blamed for the French revolution, democracy, socialism, capitalism etc.

Today, it is much harder to argue that the US revolution was a bad thing (although I love reading alternative history novels about British North America), so CTers now conveniently ignore the fact that Washington was once thought to be part of the illuminati etc.

[leftysergeant]

They want this country to go back to being the way it never was.

[timhau]

One of the things I seem to notice in Conspiracy circles is they have this great admiration for the Founding Fathers yet they hate the Freemasons which some were and the Elite which all of them were. This paradox surprises me in that they have this hate for "the New World Order" yet treat there predecessors as perfect Demi-gods of ideology and government. Why do they treat the FF so, when all what most of them were elitist rich old white men?

It couldn't possibly be that they're illogical, inconsistent twits, could it?

[JimBenArm]

Happy Birthday, lefty!

[jezcoe]

From what I have had Alex Jones explain was that they were a different kind of Mason and didn't know about the Lucifer Worship. Of course Texe Marrs sees the revolution being funded by the Rothschilds through their surrogate Jew, Haym Salomon, who funded much of the war. When he died he was buried Mikveh Israel Cemetery, mere blocks from were the Federal Reserve in Philly is. OMG INSIDE JOB.
The weird thing about the CTers is that they can see a taint of Illuminati/NWO on anything an everything and they have to do some seriuos mental gymnastics to make it all fit... kinda.

[dudalb]

Oh,the way the CT kooks get around the Freemason issue is that the vast majority of masons are innocent dupes of a small elite leadership secret even from the average masons. This helps them ..at least they think...get around the basic idiocy of saying that those guys in fezzes who drive the little cars in charity parades are part of a evil conspriacy.
Of course, the "secret Leadership" theory is pure crap.

[afinemadness]

They want this country to go back to being the way it never was.
Happy Birthday Leftysergeant.

[NikZeta302]

From what I have had Alex Jones explain was that they were a different kind of Mason and didn't know about the Lucifer Worship.

So there was different group that has the same name, symbols and handshakes but has nothing to do with the Masons. Okay?:confused:

[Checkmite]

So there was different group that has the same name, symbols and handshakes but has nothing to do with the Masons. Okay?:confused:

Well they're the 238th-degree Masons. Apparently you have to be an alien-demon hybrid to be able to obtain that degree.

[Architect]

They want this country to go back to being the way it never was.

In my experience this is a near universal myopia.

[leftysergeant]

Pssst! Guys....

Do ya have to remind me I'm getting a bit old? After a point, I try to ignore certain marks on the calender.

Appreciate the sentiment, though.:)

Of course, I am also old enough to remember the McCarthy era and all the damage that that did to the national psyche. And I see a lot of it cropping up in the twoofer movement,, from another vector, a different Other. The goal is still the same. Keep the sheeple frightened and feeling in need of a savior.

[JimBenArm]

Pssst! Guys....

Do ya have to remind me I'm getting a bit old? After a point, I try to ignore certain marks on the calender.

Appreciate the sentiment, though.:)

Of course, I am also old enough to remember the McCarthy era and all the damage that that did to the national psyche. And I see a lot of it cropping up in the twoofer movement,, from another vector, a different Other. The goal is still the same. Keep the sheeple frightened and feeling in need of a savior.
Yeah, I know, buddy. Just a few behind you, and I quit counting them past the half-century mark also. I kept losing track of how many times I'd used each digit already.

Thankfully, McCarthy was just a bit before my time. Not sorry I missed that national disgrace.

[Hans]

They want this country to go back to being the way it never was.
In my experience this is a near universal myopia.

This is a common trait, both in societies and people, the myth of a "golden age" - "if we can only go back to that everything will be great". For Muslim fundamentalists its the 7th century. While for fundamentalist Christians this means waiting for someone to bring them into another golden age by taking charge, etc etc

[Cuddles]

(although I love reading alternative history novels about British North America)

And that's what's so great about the NWO. You really believe there was a revolution? Even though gravity clearly can't melt aircraft in a vacuum? North America is British (yes, even the French bits), we just had to pretend to give it away and set up a shadowy elite to rule over you because when you translate Nostrodamus into the Mayan calendar, you actually can deduce the price of cheese three weeks in advance.

[gtc]

And that's what's so great about the NWO. You really believe there was a revolution? Even though gravity clearly can't melt aircraft in a vacuum? North America is British (yes, even the French bits), we just had to pretend to give it away and set up a shadowy elite to rule over you because when you translate Nostrodamus into the Mayan calendar, you actually can deduce the price of cheese three weeks in advance.

Actually, as an Australian, you still do rule over me.

Although as I hold a British passport, I get to rule over myself every once in a while.

[Cuddles]

Although as I hold a British passport, I get to rule over myself every once in a while.

Doesn't that make you go blind?