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PygmyPlaidGiraffe
16th September 2003, 05:32 PM
According to John Walters, Canada (http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/printarticle/gam/20021213/UMARIN)


will pose a "dangerous threat" south of the border if it brings in laws to decriminalize marijuana and if it brings in laws to decriminalize marijuana.

"It's not my job to judge Canadian policy," Mr. [John P.] Walters (http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/walters-bio.html) said. "But it is my job to protect Americans from dangerous threats, and right now Canada is a dangerous staging area for some of the most potent and dangerous marijuana at a time when marijuana is the single biggest source of dependency-production in the United States.




Walters' Testimony (http://wwwa.house.gov/international_relations/108/walt0227.htm) Although the United States enjoys an excellent level of bilateral cooperation with Canada, the United States Government is concerned that Canada is a primary source of pseudoephedrine, which is exported to the United States. Over the past few years there has been an alarming increase in the amount of pseudoephedrine diverted from Canadian sources to clandestine drug laboratories in the United States, where it is used to make methamphetamine.

The issue of (http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/samesexrights/index.html)

Naomi Klein article: Canada: Hippie Nation (http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030721&s=klein)

Walters calls [publically funded needle exchange programs] "state-sponsored personal suicide."

Another threat to American youth:

Homosexuals in Canada are fighting for the right to be legally married, with all the same benefits and responsibilities as traditional opposite-sex couples - something the federal leadership seems to support. In July 2003, the (Canadian) government unveiled draft legislation that would change the definition of marriage to include the unions of same-sex couples.

Tony
16th September 2003, 05:36 PM
Who is John Walters?

Jessica Blue
16th September 2003, 05:44 PM
He's the Director of the National Drug Control Policy in Washington, D.C. It's in the link.

Evil Canadians...corrupting all those pure American youths.

Mr Manifesto
16th September 2003, 06:37 PM
John Walters forgot to talk to Dr Craig Anderson of the University of Iowa. Otherwise, he would have added violent video games (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2003/s947262.htm)

MICHELE FONSECA: He admits to receiving piles of hate mail from 14-year-old boys.

But, in this room, the professor, currently on tour in Australia, is getting a grilling from teenage girls at Melbourne's Methodist Ladies College.

LILLEY STALEY, STUDENT, MELBOURNE'S METHODIST LADIES' COLLEGE: My brother and I, we're not violent in the slightest.

And, so how can you sort of get conclusive evidence when it's just people in different circumstances?

PROFESSOR CRAIG ANDERSON: First of all, how do you know that you're not more aggressive now than you would have been had you not had a different environment?

There's no way that you can know.

Don'tcha just love it? The professor wants a high school kid to prove a negative? ('College' usually means private school in Australia, BTW)

Let's face it, it's all bollocks. I've played every violent video game since Space Invaders, Ngggh!, I even played Doom since it was in beta GAH! and I've never had the urge to... must... kill! KILL PEOPLE WITH CHAINSAW! NYAAAAAAH!

Tony
16th September 2003, 06:43 PM
Great all we need is another freedom hating beaurocrat. :rolleyes:

Agammamon
17th September 2003, 08:58 AM
Is it just me or do these guys seem to say that whatever drug they are talking about at the moment is the most dangerous drug out there?

Tricky
17th September 2003, 09:03 AM
Michael Jackson?
The Catholic Church?

Charlie Monoxide
17th September 2003, 11:45 AM
I always thought Canadian news reporters and comedians were the biggest threat to American youth.

Charlie (Jose can you see?) Monoxide

hgc
17th September 2003, 12:05 PM
from above...
right now Canada is a dangerous staging area for some of the most potent and dangerous marijuana at a time when marijuana is the single biggest source of dependency-production in the United States.Ahem. Every 'head with a head on his shoulders knows that most kind bud comes right out of Humbolt County. What's with this Canadian giant pancake-style bud they're all talking about, anyway?

Nyarlathotep
17th September 2003, 12:09 PM
Hmmm, why does South Park suddenly spring to mind

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southparkbiggerlongeruncut/blamecanada.htm

tedly
17th September 2003, 12:19 PM
Hungary!
The "Hungarian-born" (All quotes from this morning's National Post up here in Soviet Kanuckistan) "Mr. Soros" who is the "Billionaire [who] puts millions behind bid to dump Bush".

Apparently the un-Patriotic Mr Soros doesn't like Ashcroft either.

This kind of big money influence could destroy American Democracy as we know it!

PygmyPlaidGiraffe
20th September 2003, 08:00 PM
to counter the threats to young Americans




On January 29, 2001 George Bush made good on a campaign promise by announcing the creation, by executive order (http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/executive-orders.html) , of a new White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/) .

Bush gathered a group of religious leaders in Austin, Texas and said: "This is one of the most important initiatives that my administration will implement."

"In every instance where my administration sees a responsibility to help people, we will look first to faith based organizations that have shown their ability to save and change lives."

Bush signed an executive order he said would clear away "regulatory barriers that make private groups hesitate to work with government.'' Bush directed the departments of Justice, Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Labor and Education to open faith-based centers within 45 days to help eliminate regulatory and other obstacles to faith-based participation in providing social services.

evildave
20th September 2003, 09:50 PM
Who is a threat to young Americans?

If you mean, below 18 years of age...

It's CARS!

Cars kill them!

More than anything else in the world. By a minimum factor of more than twice as many (as cancer). For accidental deaths, drowning is a distant second.

If we're looking for "just non-fatal injuries", falling, getting hit by things, overexerting, getting cut (all very common and every-day), and... CARS.

As far as I can tell, banning privately owned vehicles is the way to go, if you really want to protect the children. We could reduce our dependence on foreign oil drastically at the same time by banning these child killing contraptions immediately.

For the year 1999-2000, according to CDC:
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
Leading causes of death 1-17

#1 is unintentional injury,
Cause of Death

Number
of Deaths
Percentage of Deaths
MV Traffic 4,648 57.9%
Drowning 1,085 13.5%
Fire/burn 601 7.5%
Suffocation 302 3.8%
Other Land Transport 225 2.8%
Pedestrian, Other 213 2.7%
Poisoning 198 2.5%
Firearm 149 1.9%
Fall 108 1.3%
Other Transport 96 1.2%
Struck by or Against 89 1.1%
Natural/ Environment 80 1.0%
Unspecified 70 0.9%
Other Spec., classifiable 65 0.8%
Pedal cyclist, Other 42 0.5%
Other Spec., NECN 32 0.4%
Machinery 23 0.3%
Cut/pierce 6 0.1%
Total Deaths

8,032

According to their injury statistics (2001 and later)
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/nfilead2001.html

10 Leading Causes of Nonfatal Injury, United States
2002, All Races, Both Sexes, Disposition: All Cases

To obtain the percentage of all injuries by cause, select the age group category at the top of each column.


Age Groups
Rank
1-17

1

Unintentional
Fall
2,467,561

2

Unintentional
Struck by/
Against
1,804,396

3

Unintentional
Overexertion
689,169

4

Unintentional
Cut/Pierce
503,740

5

Unintentional
MV-Occupant
472,598

6

Unintentional
Pedal Cyclist
324,403

7

Unintentional
Other Bite/
Sting
314,884

8

Unintentional
Unknown/
Unspecified
304,031

9

Other AssaultA
Struck by/
Again
299,938

10

Unintentional
Foreign Body
203,585

Shinytop
20th September 2003, 09:55 PM
I consider a government that incarcerates people because of marijuana much more of a threat to its citizens than the government of Canada.

PygmyPlaidGiraffe
21st September 2003, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by Shinytop
I consider a government that incarcerates people because of marijuana much more of a threat to its citizens than the government of Canada.

The number of American adults under correctional supervision (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25819) hit a record high, in the zealous effort to "Get tough on crime" and with the effective "War on Drugs" waged on American citizens.

PygmyPlaidGiraffe
21st September 2003, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by evildave
Who is a threat to young Americans?

If you mean, below 18 years of age...

It's CARS!

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Thank you for giving us perspective. I wonder though if Walters and the Bush Adminsitration would not just say that so many MV fatalities and drownings were caused by B.C. bud, so the "War on Drugs/High Americans" must continue.

evildave
21st September 2003, 10:54 AM
Well, you know, Caused or Prevented by "God", Caused or Prevented by B.C.

Same fallacy, different day.

sorgoth
21st September 2003, 06:52 PM
You know, I would mention a point or two about freedom, but I'd be preaching to the choir. All I have to say is this is one more thing that makes me happy I live in Canada. :)

Zep
21st September 2003, 07:28 PM
Sounds like John Walters was bitten by a Canadian dog or something, so he HAS to take it out on somebody...

PygmyPlaidGiraffe
24th February 2004, 02:47 PM
The National Education Association, an organisation of 2.7 million teachers, is a terrorist organisation (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/24/paige.terrorist.nea/index.html)


http://www.nea.org/

Zero
24th February 2004, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by PygmyPlaidGiraffe
The National Education Association, an organisation of 2.7 million teachers, is a terrorist organisation (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/24/paige.terrorist.nea/index.html)


http://www.nea.org/ Wow, the head of the DoE is anti-educator...what a surprise!

rustypouch
24th February 2004, 03:33 PM
I think this guy will have to be silenced.

I mean, we can't let everyone onto our evil plan now, can we?

First the wacky tobaccy will be decriminalised, gays will be allowed to marry, and the next thing you know everyone will be bowing down to their Northern Overlords.

Wait, forget I ever said that. We are not going to take over your country, and have no plans to do so.

patnray
24th February 2004, 05:18 PM
For at least 10 years the Anti Drug Lords have been warning us of the growing danger of ever more potent pot. They say it is more dangerous than ever because it is so much more potent these days.

They admit that it is freely available in every city in the country. And the sellers have no restraints on who they sell it to or where they sell it.

Then they claim that pot is a "controled substance".

It ain't controlled if it is freely available with no restriction on the potency or purity.

If they want to "control" it, then license the production, potency, and distribution.

Real control instead of pretend control...

Nah. Too rational. Plus the dealers, prison guards, and drug agents would lose jobs, so they are all against any real control...

Bearguin
24th February 2004, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by hgc
from above...
Ahem. Every 'head with a head on his shoulders knows that most kind bud comes right out of Humbolt County. What's with this Canadian giant pancake-style bud they're all talking about, anyway?

Ahem.

No.

B.C. Bud has always been one of the highest quality and we grow a friggin huge amount of it.

Due to recent problems with rental homes being used as grow ops, it is now law that you have to disclose if your home has been used as a grow op when selling. There are some communities in B.C. where 20% of the rental homes are grow ops.

As soon as you Mericans stop buying the stuff, we'll stop growing the stuff.

(And for the reocrd, I've never touched any illegal drugs, only alcohol).

NightG1
25th February 2004, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by Tricky
Michael Jackson?
The Catholic Church?
David Bowie?

"All night
She wants the young American
Young American, young American, she wants the young American
All right
She wants the young American"

Sorry, that was bad.

PygmyPlaidGiraffe
22nd March 2004, 04:31 PM
I am eagerly awaiting the Bush Administration's reaction to this (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/03/21/canada/marijuana_040321)

the department is changing the regulations to allow participating pharmacies to stock marijuana for sale to approved patients without a doctor's prescription.

:)

UserGoogol
22nd March 2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
Hmmm, why does South Park suddenly spring to mind

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southparkbiggerlongeruncut/blamecanada.htm

Or our friend Michael Moore's comedy Canadian Bacon (http://imdb.com/title/tt0109370/). (John Candy's last role before he died, incidentally.)

jj
22nd March 2004, 06:43 PM
'W'

Be the first one on your block
To have your boy come home in a box!