Roy Moore: unclear on the concept

[ceo_esq]

Moore has now offered the infamous monument to Congress for the purpose of permanent display at the U.S. Capitol building.

(Meant to put this in P&CE, but goofed.)

[Suddenly]

He's very clear on the concept: "Keep your name in the papers as long as possible." If nothing else he's going to cash in on lecture fees from the fundies once he gets bounced from politics.

[mjv]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
Moore has now offered the infamous monument to Congress for the purpose of permanent display at the U.S. Capitol building.

(Meant to put this in P&CE, but goofed.)


Wait a minute, wasn't this goofball, or at least his supporters, arguing that putting in the state courthouse was okay since the establishment clause ONLY applied to the federal government??

How did this man become a judge?

[Ipecac]

Moore met with several members of Congress last week in Washington to discuss public displays of the Ten Commandments, said his spokeswoman Jessica Atteberry. She declined to identify the lawmakers.

Alabama Sen. Richard Shelby issued a statement calling on Congress to accept Moore's "gracious offer."

:rolleyes:

Gracious offer. What an idiot.

[Barkhorn1x]

Originally posted by ceo_esq
Moore has now offered the infamous monument to Congress for the purpose of permanent display at the U.S. Capitol building.

(Meant to put this in P&CE, but goofed.)

Oh, I think he understands the concept just fine. And when his generous offer is refused (duh!!), he will use this refusal in his campaign as a good reason why he is needed in Washington - to combat all those “gutless” lawmakers.

It's ALL politics w/ this guy.

Same w/ the Alabama Senator - what harm is there in proposing something that plays well w/ the home folks when you know that the likelihood of passage is nil?

It's a no lose situation - and - he kisses up to a guy who may end up being his colleague in the near future.

Barkhorn.

[Silicon]

Originally posted by Barkhorn1x


Oh,
It's a no lose situation - and - he kisses up to a guy who may end up being his colleague in the near future.


Jesus?

[Yahzi]

Hmm... a ceo_esq post that doesn't defend religion regardless of context.

Yahzi makes a checkmark in his little blue book.

[DanishDynamite]

Originally posted by Yahzi
Hmm... a ceo_esq post that doesn't defend religion regardless of context.

Yahzi makes a checkmark in his little blue book. Hmm....a Yahzi post that doesn't rant for hours about the supposed negative quailities of a poster.

DD makes a checkmark in his little red and white book.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by DanishDynamite
Hmm....a Yahzi post that doesn't rant for hours about the supposed negative quailities of a poster.

DD makes a checkmark in his little red and white book. Hmm....Upchurch doesn't follow the crowd and posts something entirely unique.

Upchurch makes a checkmark in his little mauve book ...and winces with sudden realization and erases the checkmark.

[Upchurch]

As much as Moore is a hypocrite, does anyone know if his ploys are working?

[Yahweh]

If that Moore fella had the least bit of common sense, he'd just do the smart thing and auction the monument on Ebay...

Of course he doesnt have a habit of showing common sense, he'd do something stupid with the money like investing it into Intelligent Design research...

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Yahweh
If that Moore fella had the least bit of common sense, he'd just do the smart thing and auction the monument on Ebay...



Thhe shipping will cost more than the monument! Did you read about all the trouble they had originally moving it around, and how they store it in a basement so it won't strain the floor?!?!

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Andonyx


Thhe shipping will cost more than the monument! That's true, but some might consider it a piece of history and pay the big bucks.

I wonder if you could pass of small pieces of rock as a "shard" of the monument and sell it in Alabama? hm....

[Andonyx]

Originally posted by Upchurch
That's true, but some might consider it a piece of history and pay the big bucks.

I wonder if you could pass of small pieces of rock as a "shard" of the monument and sell it in Alabama? hm....

Hmm, I could probably chip off a piece of my countertops and try that anyway.....

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Andonyx

Hmm, I could probably chip off a piece of my countertops and try that anyway..... If a little wood comes with it, that's okay. Its a piece of the true cross.

[EdipisReks]

Originally posted by Upchurch
If a little wood comes with it, that's okay. Its a piece of the true cross. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Ladewig]

If I were a congressman, I'd accept the monument and pass a bill to start a Consititution Museum. I think Judge Moore's washing-machine-size stone block would make an excellent exhibit in the Hall of Constitutional Violations. We could put it a few steps down from the Ollie North exhibit.

[Zep]

Graciously accept it, but have Congress stipulate that it MUST be stored on the front lawn of the house of the donor, at his/her expense, in perpetuity, removal to be a jailable offense.

(And I don't know the mechanics of how this might be done...)

[WildCat]

It'd make a fine anchor for a buoy in Mobile Bay, you could start a diving school for fundies and they could go see it... praise Jeeeeeezus!

[Brown]

Personally, I think it would be a swell idea to commission a pedestal for Roy's Rock, and then erect the monument on top of the pedestal.

The monument and pedestal would then be a work of art. They could be on display as a permanent exhibit at an art museum.

My idea for the pedestal is this:

The pedestal is a statue of Moses, and Moses is carrying Roy's Rock. Moses's back is bent, he is having trouble keeping his balance, and his face is contorted in pain, because the damned thing is so freaking heavy. The statue would also show Moses suffering a hernia, with his intestines spooling out from under his robes.

Now that, my friends, is true art.

[Zep]

I still reckon it would look just dandy in Roy's front yard. After all, he paid for the dern thing!

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by Upchurch

I wonder if you could pass of small pieces of rock as a "shard" of the monument and sell it in Alabama? hm....

Selling shards on eBay is the best idea. There are plenty of fundies who would buy a piece of martyrdom to Roy's stupid cause. Others might buy it as ironic keepsakes. Think of it as being like selling pieces of the Berlin Wall.

In pieces the thing is probably worth a hell of a lot more than it is intact. Of course, we're speaking financially, not politically. Politically, this thing is the opposite of a hot potato. Politicians will line up to accept the hideous thing.

AS

[c4ts]

Originally posted by Upchurch
If a little wood comes with it, that's okay. Its a piece of the true cross.

And if you cut yourself, it's the blood of a saint.

[Upchurch]

So, any more on this? (No pun intended) Has congress turned him down flat yet?

[Brown]

On a somewhat related matter, the Iowa Supreme Court has turned down an offer to post the Ten Commandments on its premises, along with other historical documents. You can read the story here (http://www.theiowachannel.com/news/2493084/detail.html) or here. (http://www.dmregister.com/news/stories/c4780934/22282879.html)

A Christian group (surprise!) wants to give a gift of "historic legal documents" for display at the Iowa Supreme Court's new building. The "historic legal documents" include the Magna Carta (which makes repeated references to "God"), the Declaration of Independence (which refers to "Creator" and "Nature's God," among other things), the Bill of Rights (which mentions freedom of religion and prohibits establishment), "The Star-Spangled Banner" (a very famous legal document, which includes the words "And this be our motto, 'In God is our trust'"), and the preamble to the Iowa Constitution (which reads: "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF IOWA, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of those blessings, do ordain and establish a free and independent government, by the name of the State of Iowa, the boundaries whereof shall be as follows...."

This is just a guess, but I suspect that the group selectively edited some of these documents. After all, some of them are quite lengthy. It would not surprise me if the references to "God" in the Magna Carta were given special emphasis, for example, or if the "boundaries" part of the Iowa Preamble was stricken but the "Supreme Being" part was retained in its entirety.

And, of course, the group insists upon including one of the many versions of the Ten Commandments.

The Iowa Supreme Court said, "No thanks."State Court Administrator David Boyd said he declined the framed display because "it could be viewed as an unconstitutional endorsement of religion by the state and would therefore likely embroil the Iowa judicial branch in controversy and possibly a lawsuit."
...
Rebecca Colton, the court's chief executive assistant...said she told donor Diane McLavey of Urbandale that she thought the documents would be a nice gift but that, "for obvious reasons," the justices were likely to decline the Ten Commandments.The folks who want to push the display naturally behave as though they don't have the first clue as to why there could be any problem.

The budget for the Iowa judicial department already gets short shrift (so to speak) as it is, and the department doesn't need to waste its money buying a lawsuit.

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by Brown
On a somewhat related matter, the Iowa Supreme Court has turned down an offer to post the Ten Commandments on its premises, along with other historical documents. You can read the story
How very odd - one of the most relevant historical documents, the U.S. constitution, seems to be missing from their list.

[AmateurScientist]

Well, at least I hope the Iowa story causes some people to understand that Alabama has no monopoly on overzealous religious nuts. I'm getting sick of the snickering in the national press and elsewhere about how stupid all those people in Alabama must be.

AS

[AmateurScientist]

Originally posted by arcticpenguin

How very odd - one of the most relevant historical documents, the U.S. constitution, seems to be missing from their list.

Yeah well, they probably didn't have the room. Hey, they had to cut one of them out.

AS

[Brown]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist
Well, at least I hope the Iowa story causes some people to understand that Alabama has no monopoly on overzealous religious nuts. I'm getting sick of the snickering in the national press and elsewhere about how stupid all those people in Alabama must be.Iowa usually is tops in the nation when it comes to school quality... and yet, Iowa has its share of stupid people, too. Polls consistently show that Iowans think it would be a swell idea to have a public display of the Ten Commandments, by about a 2-to-1 margin. Most of them aren't religious nuts, of course; they just can't see beyond their own self-interest. They personally believe that the Commandments are binding (or at least are goals to which they aspire), and so they cannot understand why anyone could possibly be against the proposal of posting the Commandments for everyone to see.

[Brown]

Originally posted by AmateurScientist
Yeah well, they probably didn't have the room. Hey, they had to cut one of them out.I'm pretty suspicious about this. I'll bet this group had to do a LOT of editing, and I'll bet that none of the principal references in the documents to the Almighty was edited out.

Groups like this call themselves "Christians," but I wouldn't trust them to buy me a pack of chewing gum, much less edit the documents in a historically meaningful manner.