Ron Paul so far today

[billydkid]

At this point Ron Paul has raised 16 and a quarter million this quarter and there are 4 hours left. We are on the verge of raising 6 million in single day. Some of you are so right - Ron Paul's only supporters are a few hundred D and D players living in their grandmother's basement who like to spam on line polls.

[corplinx]

Online Polls and the JREF Forums

[Checkmite]

Ron Paul's going to need as much money as possible in order to protect us from the New World Order.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

And what is he polling at?

Republican Polls
ABC News/Washington Post Poll
12/8/2007
w/o Newt Gingrich
Margin of Error = 4.1% [?]

Rudy Giuliani 25%
Mike Huckabee 19%
Mitt Romney 17%
Fred Thompson 14%
John McCain 12%
Ron Paul 3%
Duncan Hunter 2%
Unsure 4%
None of these 3%
Source



Linky (http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/polls/ABC-News-National-Polls-December-2007.html)

Wow, three percent. Still not above the margin for error...

Couldn't find the percent of the population that fit your description, but I have a feeling that it is very close...

[boloboffin]

59,000 unique donations this week -- 25,000 of those are first timers.

Ron's raised over $6 million in one day. That makes the average donation just over $100.

That puts him at $17 million for the fourth quarter.

Howard Dean was doing this kind of thing as well. 60,000 donating supporters doesn't begin to factor into 3% of America.

But with this kind of money, Paul could last long enough to grab quite a few delegates. If the convention gets brokered, he could be a kingmaker.

ETA: Sorry, he just broke $18 million for the quarter. I should have mentioned that the $17 million was that close to the line.

[rtalman]

What with all this money rolling in, you think that Paul would give back the $500 donated by Don Black (founder of www.stormfront.org (http://www.stormfront.org)) and ask stormfront.org to stop soliciting donations on his behalf...

[New Ager]

Rudy Giuliani 25%
Mike Huckabee 19%
Mitt Romney 17%
Fred Thompson 14%
John McCain 12%
Unsure 4%
Ron Paul 3%
Duncan Hunter 2%

Unsure hasn't raised any money and is beating Ron Paul. :)

I think most of you need to get off the Ron Paul train. It hasn't left the station and won't be.

[Foolmewunz]

59,000 unique donations this week -- 25,000 of those are first timers.

Ron's raised over $6 million in one day. That makes the average donation just over $100.

That puts him at $17 million for the fourth quarter.

Howard Dean was doing this kind of thing as well. 60,000 donating supporters doesn't begin to factor into 3% of America.

But with this kind of money, Paul could last long enough to grab quite a few delegates. If the convention gets brokered, he could be a kingmaker.

ETA: Sorry, he just broke $18 million for the quarter. I should have mentioned that the $17 million was that close to the line.

"If the convention gets brokered..."??????

That plays well on The West Wing, but the system's designed to make this well 'nigh impossible. The best scenario for a brokered convention is like the only one we nearly had - 1976... someone trying to take the crown away from the incumbent in a protest move (in '76 it was Reagan taking on Mr. Woebegone - Jerry Ford - and it's hard to think of that scenario repeating in the latter years).

Every four years, right about this time, we have pundits showing how we could well wind up with a brokered convention in Party A or Party B. And every four years, around March, it's all over but the shouting. And I do mean "shouting"! Only when we get the nominees settled can we really settle down to the honored tradition of innuendo, smear campaigns, mud-slinging, and hyperbole. (Hands up... every liberal who's been called a commie during an election year. And, hands up.... every conservative who's been called a fascist or nazi during an election year.)

Sometimes I agree with Samuel L. Clemens, when asked who he was supporting in an upcoming election....

"Oh, I never vote. It only encourages them."

[boloboffin]

I assure you I am categorically not on the Ron Paul train. I'm just watching a lot of fuel for its tank roll in. At the rate he's going, he might be at $7 million by dawn.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Wee. He can make fundraising money in fundraisers. Who'da thunk it.

(Incidently, some of us do play D&D)

[Foolmewunz]

I assure you I am categorically not on the Ron Paul train. I'm just watching a lot of fuel for its tank roll in. At the rate he's going, he might be at $7 million by dawn.

Oh, I didn't assume you were aboard the Choo-Choo to Nowhere.

I'm curious what he's doing with the money. So far, he's spent nothing on staff, infrastructure, or advertising (last financial breakdown I saw). Shouldn't his big hope be Iowa (conservative cornbelt/bible belt) and New Hampshire (cantankerous, like a lonewolf), and shouldn't he be blitzing the states?

Maybe he's saving it all, hoping that Huckleberry and McCain (or Giuliani) split the first two, and then Ron spends it all in South Carolina? I don't know. If he hasn't started spending his millions by the second week in January, then look for a 3rd Party run. (Or look for him dressed as a girlscout heading to Tahiti with a suitcase stuffed with hundred dollar bills.)

[Mister Agenda]

I know he's got commercial spots on national radio and TV spots in NH (where I believe his poll numbers are up around 7-8%, putting him in 4th place in NH among the Repub candidates) and Iowa. There's a RP campaign headquarters here in Columbia, SC.

Seems like he's spending his money pretty much like the other candidates do.

[IllegalArgument]

The more success Ron Paul has, the happier the Democrats.

[Brainster]

59,000 unique donations this week -- 25,000 of those are first timers.

Ron's raised over $6 million in one day. That makes the average donation just over $100.

That puts him at $17 million for the fourth quarter.

Howard Dean was doing this kind of thing as well. 60,000 donating supporters doesn't begin to factor into 3% of America.

But with this kind of money, Paul could last long enough to grab quite a few delegates. If the convention gets brokered, he could be a kingmaker.

The Dean comparison is ridiculous. Dean had real support, which showed up in both polling and in the blogosphere, where major liberal bloggers were pushing his candidacy. By contrast, Paul is nowhere in the polls and nowhere in the conservative blogosphere. All he has is the money, and even there it's comical how reluctant he is to spend it. I saw a story the other day that the Ron Paul campaign HQ in New Hampshire (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/06/politics/washingtonpost/main3585224.shtml) just broke down in late November and invested in some frivolous equipment--telephones. Seriously, five weeks before the election, with plenty of funds on hand, and Paul's just getting telephones for the Granite State? I admire the frugality (it's one area where he contrasts well with Dean, who managed his money like a drunken sailor), but at some point you have to decide to compete.

He has no chance of capturing any significant number of delegates to the convention. Republicans still insist on "Winner Take All" for their primaries, so you won't have a situation where Paul picks up a couple of delegates for finishing third, like Dennis Kucinich did in Ohio and Minnesota in 2004. And brokered conventions are a thing of the past; the rapid campaign schedule virtually guarantees that those who win a couple early contests will run the table.

I can understand why everybody finds the guy entertaining. And his supporters are easily the most fervent, and some of them even appear to have something in their wallets. But there just aren't anywhere near enough of them to make a difference once real Republicans start voting. Remember, in the Ames Iowa contest everybody was blown away by all the Ronulans. And then the guy finishes fifth in a contest (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/11/romney-wins-straw-poll/) that did not (officially) include Giuliani, McCain or Fred Thompson.

[ZenFountain]

The Dean comparison is ridiculous. Dean had real support, which showed up in both polling and in the blogosphere, where major liberal bloggers were pushing his candidacy. By contrast, Paul is nowhere in the polls and nowhere in the conservative blogosphere. All he has is the money, and even there it's comical how reluctant he is to spend it. I saw a story the other day that the Ron Paul campaign HQ in New Hampshire (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/06/politics/washingtonpost/main3585224.shtml) just broke down in late November and invested in some frivolous equipment--telephones. Seriously, five weeks before the election, with plenty of funds on hand, and Paul's just getting telephones for the Granite State? I admire the frugality (it's one area where he contrasts well with Dean, who managed his money like a drunken sailor), but at some point you have to decide to compete.

:eye-poppi

I endorese Brainster's sentiments on the Paul campaign in entirety.

[boloboffin]

True -- Dean was polling at 19% before Iowa. Paul's never pulled a double digit, much less one-fifth of his party.

And I didn't know Paul wasn't spending the cash. Could he be angling for a veep slot now?

[Brainster]

True -- Dean was polling at 19% before Iowa. Paul's never pulled a double digit, much less one-fifth of his party.

And I didn't know Paul wasn't spending the cash. Could he be angling for a veep slot now?

I think he's just so used to being a libertarian strapped for cash all the time, that he's unwilling to spend it while he's got it. He may decide (as you've alluded) that it's worth staying in the race just to keep getting his views out, and therefore he's not investing the money necessary to make a serious run at one of the early states like New Hampshire, in order to be able to stick around longer despite not winning.

I don't see how he fills out anybody's ticket. Sure, they'd love to have those hardcore activists working for them, but there's always the "heartbeat away from the presidency" argument that says you'd have to be as nutty as he is to pick him for the #2 slot.

[Solitaire]

I don't see how he fills out anybody's ticket. Sure, they'd love to have those hardcore activists working for them, but there's always the "heartbeat away from the presidency" argument that says you'd have to be as nutty as he is to pick him for the #2 slot.


He'd make a fine James Stockdale to someone's Ross Perot. :)

P.S. Obligatory video for Oliver. (http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/350/index.html)

[Swagomatic]

Has anyone else seen the seemingly handpainted "Ron Paul for President" signs? I've seen them popping up all over around the Phoenix area. I was wondering if they are really hand stenciled or are they professionally printed and meant to appear hand stenciled. It seems to me that they are trying to get some sort of a "Who is John Galt" vibe going.

[Brainster]

He'd make a fine James Stockdale to someone's Ross Perot. :) [/URL]

Just a friendly nay on the Stockdale/Paul comparison. Stockdale was an amazing man, a hero and a poet (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/06/AR2005070600231.html) and an inspiration to all who encountered him. He made the mistake of being bad on television the one night everybody was watching, but he earned the right to be on that stage.

[MaGZ]

What with all this money rolling in, you think that Paul would give back the $500 donated by Don Black (founder of www.stormfront.org (http://www.stormfront.org)) and ask stormfront.org to stop soliciting donations on his behalf...

Just think how much publicity that $500 will buy for Stormfront when the mainstream media runs with the story. Maybe JREF should make a donation to Ron Paul.

[MaGZ]

Oh, I didn't assume you were aboard the Choo-Choo to Nowhere.

I'm curious what he's doing with the money. So far, he's spent nothing on staff, infrastructure, or advertising (last financial breakdown I saw). Shouldn't his big hope be Iowa (conservative cornbelt/bible belt) and New Hampshire (cantankerous, like a lonewolf), and shouldn't he be blitzing the states?

Maybe he's saving it all, hoping that Huckleberry and McCain (or Giuliani) split the first two, and then Ron spends it all in South Carolina? I don't know. If he hasn't started spending his millions by the second week in January, then look for a 3rd Party run. (Or look for him dressed as a girlscout heading to Tahiti with a suitcase stuffed with hundred dollar bills.)

Ron Paul said a week or two ago on CNN that his campaign will be fully funded up to Feb 5 (Super Duper Tuesday). Paul will still be in the race after half of the field has dropped out.

[rtalman]

Just think how much publicity that $500 will buy for Stormfront when the mainstream media runs with the story.The Houston Chronicle has already ran with the story. The MSM yawned, because Ron Paul and his dozens of supporters nationwide are a non-story. His only function in the media is to fill the David Duke roll in embarrassing the Republican party.
JREF should make a donation to Ron Paul.Irrational fear of the non-existant NAU, denial of the Theory of Evolution... yes, he seems to fit the skeptical thinking of JREF to a tee.

[rtalman]

Ron Paul said a week or two ago on CNN that his campaign will be fully funded up to Feb 5 (Super Duper Tuesday). Paul will still be in the race after half of the field has dropped out.And will still finish a distant sixth place behind write-ins for Snoopy and Ronald McDonald.

[Mister Agenda]

Has anyone else seen the seemingly handpainted "Ron Paul for President" signs? I've seen them popping up all over around the Phoenix area. I was wondering if they are really hand stenciled or are they professionally printed and meant to appear hand stenciled. It seems to me that they are trying to get some sort of a "Who is John Galt" vibe going.

They probably ARE hand-stenciled. It's become a cottage industry for RP Meetups. You are probably also correct about the vibe they are going for, trying to get people curious enough to check out the RP 2008 website.

[joobie]

\aul's just getting telephones for the Granite State?

telephones are not explicitly authorized by the constitution, hence his reluctance.

:)

[Mister Agenda]

Erm, he's spending millions on television spots in NH and Iowa. Maybe he prioritized increasing his name recognition over phone canvassing, which his supporters pretty much take care of on their own anyway. Maybe too much, I keep running into people complaining about all the Ron Paul calls.