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saizai
17th December 2007, 08:03 PM
I'm too lazy to explain AK and priming here; so please google them. "Priming" is a term from cognitive linguistics.

AK may be useless for testing the properties of a substance or its interaction with someone's body, but... it is probably effective as one test of priming. (E.g. someone thinks x is bad -> holding x makes them act weakly, & vice versa)


Perhaps this would in itself be useful, e.g. as a psychometric test?

athon
17th December 2007, 10:56 PM
What do you mean by 'test of priming'? You can prime an individual, but your statement of 'test of priming' makes no sense.

Maybe it's best if you don't be lazy and actually a) explain what you think priming means (and applied kinesiology, for that matter), and b) how you think they can be used in conjunction with one another in a psychometric test.

Athon

saizai
17th December 2007, 11:31 PM
I mean a 'test of priming' as in e.g. "the reaction time to determine hidden racial / gender / etc biases" test that you can find online. Google it.

arthwollipot
17th December 2007, 11:41 PM
OK, I'll bite - I'm familiar with the type of test you describe (it was covered in the book Blink), but I'm not seeing how it relates to applied kinesiology. Is there a link that I've missed?

And please don't ask me to google it.

saizai
18th December 2007, 12:13 AM
The link is just that the effects of non-blinded AK are, presumably, psychosomatic in the same way as those of the reaction time tests.

And thus, you could use it to test, not the effects of the item, but the subject's (subconscious or conscious) beliefs / attitudes about it.

Dunno how *useful* that is, but hey at least it's something?

casebro
18th December 2007, 07:35 AM
Saizai is saying that 'priming' is the ideomotor effect, I guess? Duh.

saizai
18th December 2007, 02:49 PM
I'm presuming it's an ideomotor effect, because I've read multiple studies that show (and leverage) this.

What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose.

athon
18th December 2007, 03:21 PM
I'm presuming it's an ideomotor effect, because I've read multiple studies that show (and leverage) this.

What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose.

Perhaps. Need to see the evidence of it in action.

Athon

arthwollipot
18th December 2007, 06:25 PM
What I'm talking/asking about is whether this particular one might serve some actually useful purpose.As much as a placebo, I suppose.

Henners
19th December 2007, 01:43 AM
What do you mean by 'test of priming'? You can prime an individual, but your statement of 'test of priming' makes no sense.

Maybe it's best if you don't be lazy and actually a) explain what you think priming means (and applied kinesiology, for that matter), and b) how you think they can be used in conjunction with one another in a psychometric test.

Athon

Priming:

Ask someone to spell "SHOP"

Then ask them what they do when they come to a green light.

Works 90% of the time.

Henners
19th December 2007, 03:04 AM
It has occurred to me that if you are one of the 90%, you may not get it.

On encountering a green light, you go.

Soapy Sam
19th December 2007, 03:10 AM
I'm too lazy to google.
Can someone explain what this is about?

Jekyll
19th December 2007, 03:59 AM
I'm too lazy to google.
Can someone explain what this is about?

You know that thing where you hold something, in a box in your hand, and people attempt to see if you have an allergy to it by whether you get weaker from holding it?
(It's like superman with kryptonite)

That's the AK stuff Salizi is talking about. He's just brainstorming for an actual use for the method.

Soapy Sam
19th December 2007, 04:06 AM
I hadn't heard of that. I just tried it though.
It seems I'm allergic to tools.

Actually, there may be something to this...