Ron Paul Sweeps Aol Poll Hands Down

[Astute Perspicuous]

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/21/straw-poll-dec-21-jan-4/

Ron Paul has totally dominated the AOL poll winning in 46 of 50 states.

Total Votes for Ron Paul so far 24,718 29%

Next in line is Giuliani with 14,663 17%

Huckabee 14,109 17%

Mccain 11,877 14%

Romney 11,869 14%

Thompson 7,281 8%

Hunter 886 1%

The ONLY states that Ron Paul did NOT win in are UT, NY, NJ, MA but believe it or not he is gaining on Romney in Utah and in Massachusetts and catching up to Giuliani in New Jersey and New York.

Before any of you Globalist posters say "Ron Paul supporters are spamming the polls"

Well...WRONG

It records your IP address and only lets you vote once. To test it I also tried to go to it through a few different proxy sites and it will not load so it must have proxys blocked too. The only other way a person could vote twice is by going to a whole new computer at a different IP.

We will win this primary because of this reason...

Only 5%-10% of America votes in the primaries, voter turn out for the GOP is expected to be low this year because of lack of any clear choices. Voter turn out in the primaries may be as low as 4% this year.

Also...the vote pool is spread so thin between Giuliani, Mccain, Romney, and Huckabee that if has left Ron Paul with the biggest block of devoted supporters.

and...

People from all over America are signing up or have signed up in mass to be Ron Paul delegates

and furthermore...

When someone who decides they are going to vote for Giuliani wakes up in the morning, they are going to be like "Should I go vote today, I guess I will, what the heck"

Where as...

A Ron Paul supporter will have his alarm set for 7AM and he will already wake up without the alarm at 6:30AM.

By 9AM he will be on his cell phone calling all his friends, family, and neighbors saying "DID YOU VOTE, DID YOU VOTE YET?" and he will keep calling them back until they do.

That's the difference.

Globalism just took a hard swift kick in the coin purse.

[Matteo Martini]

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/21/straw-poll-dec-21-jan-4/

Ron Paul has totally dominated the AOL poll winning in 46 of 50 states.

[..]



Good thing.
But I wonder how much this poll will be relevant during the primaries..

By the way, if only 4% of the about 200 millions ( ? ) of potential voters go to vote, you will have about 8 million Americans voting in the primaries.
RP got money from about 100000 donors, assuming that, for each donor, there would be other 9 people who are willing to vote for him, but do not want to pay for him, you will get about 1 million of potential voters for RP at the primaries.
That is about 25%

I do not know if the above calculation can be seen as correct.

[Astute Perspicuous]

I will requote myself...

When someone who decides they are going to vote for Giuliani wakes up in the morning, they are going to be like "Should I go vote today, I guess I will, what the heck"

Where as...

A Ron Paul supporter will have his alarm set for 7AM and he will already wake up without the alarm at 6:30AM.

By 9AM he will be on his cell phone calling all his friends, family, and neighbors saying "DID YOU VOTE, DID YOU VOTE YET?" and he will keep calling them back until they do.

[Brainster]

The poll seems to be reasonably accurate, once you throw out the Ron Paul votes.

[fuelair]

I will requote myself...

But, presumably the genes will be better for intelligence in the family and friends and they won't vote for the Kucinich of the right.:)

[UserGoogol]

There are other ways to cheat on Internet polls besides going to proxies. (Also, it's possible that the proxies you went to had already been used up by other Ron Paul guys. Or, that you just suck at the Internet.)

I suppose there is some merit in the idea that with low turnouts, Ron Paul's "small but insanely dedicated" fanbase may be able to win at least some states. That said, I don't think things would go that far. If Ron Paul did really good in some states, I strongly suspect that the effect would be dampened by many Republicans taking an "anyone but Paul" approach in response to this. (Especially because Republican primaries use a winner-takes-all system for allotting delegates for the convention, so it's a lot harder for a person like Paul to get delegates in the Republican party than in the Democratic party.)

[OldTigerCub]

Online polls done by AOL or any other entity have a few flaws that you might have overlooked. Granted, IP tracking can help to prevent spamming, but it is not infallible.
The biggest flaw in online polls is the ability to determine the eligibility of the voters in the sample group as compared to the eligibility of those voters actually participating in the election. Since anyone under 18 years of age is not entitled to take part in the electoral process, as are individuals who are not citizens of the U.S, there is no way to verify that their votes would correspond to any legal election. Other individuals ineligible would include convicted felons in prison, on probation or on parole.
Another flaw is that the age group that takes part in online polls typically falls into the under 30 range, while the majority of voters who show up at the polling places in the largest numbers with any regularity is in the over 40 age group.
The fact that other polls are aimed more at the general population makes them more accurate, though not perfect by any means, and most of them show Ron Paul as pretty much an also-ran in the Republican party.

Edit: Paultard Poll Punking techniques were exposed in a thread on Little Green Footballs a few days ago:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28364_Ron_Paul_Poll_Punking_Techniques_Expo sed&only

[WildCat]

Globalism just took a hard swift kick in the coin purse.
Jeez, one minute Ron Paul is saying "trade, not invade" the next he's saying how NAFTA will lead to a North American Union and kicking "globalism".

Does Ron Paul support free trade or not?

[LawnOven]

Dude... internet polls are never scientific or statistically accurate... That poll is completely meaningless!

(besides any university student could go to their library and go down the row of computers voting for ron paul... which kinda bursts your, "this poll is totally legitimate" bubble)

[Astute Perspicuous]

OK...who wants to make a bet?

Screen name for screen name?

Who has what it takes?

If Ron Paul loses the primaries then I will give up my screen name to you.

If Ron Paul wins the primaries you give me your screen name...

First taker gets the bet.

[littlehulkster]

Oh no! 25,000 votes! That's true election winning power right there.

Too bad it's fake anyway:http://ronpaulgw.googlepages.com/polls

[Astute Perspicuous]

Oh no! 25,000 votes! That's true election winning power right there.

Too bad it's fake anyway:http://ronpaulgw.googlepages.com/polls

No...actually I am currently uploading the video RIGHT NOW that proves that the page YOU LISTED above is a fake.

I just made a video with a screen recording program that proves it's a fake...

WANT PROOF?!?!

1. This video proves it. The quality is a lil low because of google vids reformatting but you get the jist. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6466174647586574826

2. If you want MORE PROOF that the anonymz is fake, do a simple test. Got to the home page at http://anonymz.com. Input the web address http://whatismyip.com copy the referrer link and past it in your browser bar. The whatsmyip.com will STILL pull up your IP adress.

3. Still want more proof? Go to the AOL straw poll at http://news.aol.com/political-machin...-dec-21-jan-4 and vote for a certain candidate...Then, go back to this guys FAKE anonymz page at http://ronpaulgw.googlepages.com/polls and see if it lets you vote again...IT WILL NOT

You are so BUSTED. You prob created this thing to try and discredit us, but it will not work. Can't win fair and square eh?

And...btw...In reply to your lil cocky smarmy attitude when you said;

Oh no! 25,000 votes! That's true election winning power right there.

I reply to that with;

Oh no! 14,663 votes! (Giuliani Totals) That's true election winning power right there.
Total Votes for Ron Paul so far 24,718 29%

Next in line is Giuliani with 14,663 17%

Huckabee 14,109 17%

Mccain 11,877 14%

Romney 11,869 14%

Thompson 7,281 8%

Hunter 886 1%

Put your money where you mouth is...Take the bet I offered above or stick a sock in it. Your tricks may work on your little buddies here, but not me.

[Rika]

AOL. Urk. You are seriously pointing to AOL? OK.

Fascinatingly, AP, you are right. It doesn't hidet he IP. However, taking such an hostile tone may not help you.

(If anyone you know, bothered to look atthe top .com, it simply hides referrals.)

[Astute Perspicuous]

AOL. Urk. You are seriously pointing to AOL? OK.

Fascinatingly, AP, you are right. It doesn't hidet he IP. However, taking such an hostile tone may not help you.

(If anyone you know, bothered to look atthe top .com, it simply hides referrals.)

Bingo my point...

And someone like littlehulkster is trying to make it look like we are rigging the polls.

Like I said B4...we have the numbers. That is way beyond obvious. Just because the news does not report it means diddly.

Also, the phone polls are rigged. When you get a call from the phone poll it says...

Please press one for Giuliani
Press two for Romney
Press three for Mccain
Press four for Huckabee
Press five for other
Press six to be taken off the calling list

When you press five it says.

"THANK YOU, YOUR NUMBER HAS BE REMOVED FROM OUR SYSTEM"

The phone polls are completely rigged.

[Astute Perspicuous]

This is setting up to be one of the biggest upsets in US history. If Ron Paul wins the nomination I will make sure to have a;

RON PAUL - I TOLD YOU SO

shirt printed up just for the occasion

[hgc]

A poll with a self-selecting sample is about as useful as a sand merchant at the beach.

[maxpower1227]

There are other ways to cheat on Internet polls besides going to proxies. (Also, it's possible that the proxies you went to had already been used up by other Ron Paul guys. Or, that you just suck at the Internet.)

I suppose there is some merit in the idea that with low turnouts, Ron Paul's "small but insanely dedicated" fanbase may be able to win at least some states. That said, I don't think things would go that far. If Ron Paul did really good in some states, I strongly suspect that the effect would be dampened by many Republicans taking an "anyone but Paul" approach in response to this. (Especially because Republican primaries use a winner-takes-all system for allotting delegates for the convention, so it's a lot harder for a person like Paul to get delegates in the Republican party than in the Democratic party.)

Indeed. Cult of Personality is a powerful thing. The rabid zealotry of Ron Paul supporters is quite frightening imo.

[Donal]

How about a counter bet, AP? If Ron Paul wins the nomination, myself and any other taker who has been slamming on Paul and his monkey brigade has to Google bomb in favor of him, starting with long appologies here and changing our sigs.

However, when Paul drops out well short of the RNC convention, you(and if any other Paulite has the cajonnes) post a nice, long heartfelt apology admitting you were wrong, Paul's voter base is completly irrelevent (someone wanna throw in some other stuff here) and when you are voting age, you vote for whomever the forum decides (through a poll).

You gonna man up?

[Kerberos]

OK...who wants to make a bet?

Screen name for screen name?

Who has what it takes?

If Ron Paul loses the primaries then I will give up my screen name to you.

If Ron Paul wins the primaries you give me your screen name...

First taker gets the bet.
I'm not really sure what possible use I could have of your screen name, but I can take that bet sure. I assume that loosing/winning the primaries means getting the normination right? Just so that there's no doubt. As a bonus, and in honour of Jerome let's say that you also win if the NWO assassinates Ron Paul. For our purposes Ron Paul is considered to have been assassinated by the NWO if he dies at any point where he has more delegates than any other republican candidate.

Still as I said I don't need your screen name, so unless you object I'd prefer that when Ron Paul doesn't get the normination you instead of ditching your screen name youlet me pick you avatar and sig line from the Republican convention to the election. It would be a of a presidential candidate of my choice and a sig line of "[the candidate of my choice] for president."

In the monstrously unlikely case that Ron Paul wins (or is assassinated by the NWO) you can have my screen name and I'll use a picture of Ron Paul and the sigline "Ron Paul for president" untill the election.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

OK...who wants to make a bet?

Screen name for screen name?

Who has what it takes?

If Ron Paul loses the primaries then I will give up my screen name to you.

If Ron Paul wins the primaries you give me your screen name...

First taker gets the bet.

I´ll take that bet.

My screen name is safe. And I don´t want yours.

[fuelair]

No...actually I am currently uploading the video RIGHT NOW that proves that the page YOU LISTED above is a fake.

I just made a video with a screen recording program that proves it's a fake...

WANT PROOF?!?!

1. This video proves it. The quality is a lil low because of google vids reformatting but you get the jist. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6466174647586574826

2. If you want MORE PROOF that the anonymz is fake, do a simple test. Got to the home page at http://anonymz.com. Input the web address http://whatismyip.com copy the referrer link and past it in your browser bar. The whatsmyip.com will STILL pull up your IP adress.

3. Still want more proof? Go to the AOL straw poll at http://news.aol.com/political-machin...-dec-21-jan-4 and vote for a certain candidate...Then, go back to this guys FAKE anonymz page at http://ronpaulgw.googlepages.com/polls and see if it lets you vote again...IT WILL NOT

You are so BUSTED. You prob created this thing to try and discredit us, but it will not work. Can't win fair and square eh?

And...btw...In reply to your lil cocky smarmy attitude when you said;



I reply to that with;

Oh no! 14,663 votes! (Giuliani Totals) That's true election winning power right there.
Total Votes for Ron Paul so far 24,718 29%

Next in line is Giuliani with 14,663 17%

Huckabee 14,109 17%

Mccain 11,877 14%

Romney 11,869 14%

Thompson 7,281 8%

Hunter 886 1%

Put your money where you mouth is...Take the bet I offered above or stick a sock in it. Your tricks may work on your little buddies here, but not me.
Well, you have proved to us all you have learned from your leader -Ron Paul. You sound just like him and are just as certian of winning the election as he is.

(That is a subtle hint that with the post quoted above you have demonstrated a strong similarity to the troofers.):)

[OneShotKi11]

IO agree with his sentiments and logic on Paul supporters. I am going to be very interested in the turnout of these primary's.

Will the passionate ready and willing supporters of DR. Paul prevail over those who support other candidates but might not be as passionate or willing to get there voice heard!

[brodski]

This is setting up to be one of the biggest upsets in US history. If Ron Paul wins the nomination I will make sure to have a;

RON PAUL - I TOLD YOU SO

shirt printed up just for the occasion

Can I borrow it when he crashes out of the race?

[Astute Perspicuous]

I'm not really sure what possible use I could have of your screen name, but I can take that bet sure. I assume that loosing/winning the primaries means getting the normination right? Just so that there's no doubt. As a bonus, and in honour of Jerome let's say that you also win if the NWO assassinates Ron Paul. For our purposes Ron Paul is considered to have been assassinated by the NWO if he dies at any point where he has more delegates than any other republican candidate.

Still as I said I don't need your screen name, so unless you object I'd prefer that when Ron Paul doesn't get the normination you instead of ditching your screen name youlet me pick you avatar and sig line from the Republican convention to the election. It would be a of a presidential candidate of my choice and a sig line of "[the candidate of my choice] for president."

In the monstrously unlikely case that Ron Paul wins (or is assassinated by the NWO) you can have my screen name and I'll use a picture of Ron Paul and the sigline "Ron Paul for president" untill the election.

OK...you were the first one so it's on.


One major point though. If there is any election fraud like what went on down in Florida with the black vote not being counted or a bunch of voting machines don't work or something, the bet is off, even if Ron Paul wins.

I wish we would go back to the old paper system.

[billydkid]

Indeed. Cult of Personality is a powerful thing. The rabid zealotry of Ron Paul supporters is quite frightening imo.You are missing the point completely. It is exactly NOT a cult of personality. Ron Paul is about as charismatic as your 8th grade history teacher. It is the message. I really can't believe people are so intensely dim about this. People want peace, people want liberty, people want to own and control their own lives, people don't want their money and savings becoming progressively more worthless with each passing year and people do not want to leave their children a country mired in debt. The truth is, for the first time many millions of people are hearing a political message that truly resonates with them. All those people who never voted or were involved in politics feel for the first time there is a candidate representing their views. This is so obvious I'm amazed people don't see it. I don't know if Dr. Paul can or will win the nomination, but either way you are way off base and completely not understanding the movement.

[Astute Perspicuous]

You are missing the point completely. It is exactly NOT a cult of personality. Ron Paul is about as charismatic as your 8th grade history teacher. It is the message. I really can't believe people are so intensely dim about this. People want peace, people want liberty, people want to own and control their own lives, people don't want their money and savings becoming progressively more worthless with each passing year and people do not want to leave their children a country mired in debt. The truth is, for the first time many millions of people are hearing a political message that truly resonates with them. All those people who never voted or were involved in politics feel for the first time there is a candidate representing their views. This is so obvious I'm amazed people don't see it. I don't know if Dr. Paul can or will win the nomination, but either way you are way off base and completely not understanding the movement.

There is no use in trying to explain to many of these people because they already know. In the thread listed below I show that almost 1/3 of the people on this forum support a NORTH AMERICAN UNION and alsmot another 1/4 are not sure if they support it.

The only clear number is that 48.65% of the people on this forum DO NOT SUPPORT a NAU. With less than half of the people here against the NAU you can start to see why many of these people do not support Ron Paul.

29.73% are complete traitors to America
21.62% are not sure if they are traitors to America
48.65% have loyalty to America

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100392

Yes 22 29.73%
No 36 48.65%
Not Sure 16 21.62%

[Astute Perspicuous]

Indeed. Cult of Personality is a powerful thing. The rabid zealotry of Ron Paul supporters is quite frightening imo.

In your opinion? This coming from a guy that's whole belief system can be summed up with his avitar.

IMO, your opinion is about as relevant as an episode of South Park.

[Kerberos]

OK...you were the first one so it's on.


One major point though. If there is any election fraud like what went on down in Florida with the black vote not being counted or a bunch of voting machines don't work or something, the bet is off
Very sensible of you, it's always wise to ensure you have a way out.

even if Ron Paul wins.
How generous of you.

[billydkid]

There is no use in trying to explain to many of these people because they already know. In the thread listed below I show that almost 1/3 of the people on this forum support a NORTH AMERICAN UNION and alsmot another 1/4 are not sure if they support it.

The only clear number is that 48.65% of the people on this forum DO NOT SUPPORT a NAU. With less than half of the people here against the NAU you can start to see why many of these people do not support Ron Paul.

29.73% are complete traitors to America
21.62% are not sure if they are traitors to America
48.65% have loyalty to America

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100392

Yes 22 29.73%
No 36 48.65%
Not Sure 16 21.62%I am very glad to have you supporting Dr. Paul, but this whole traitor thing is a little over top and not going persuade anyone to even consider reconsidering their views. I am open enough to believe that people can have honest disagreement about these issues without being traitors. To me that's Ann Coulter territory and we don't need to stoop to that. I think that people (myself included) do not fully understand the implications involved in some of these issues, but I do see certain dangers inherent in unification and the loss of sovereignty as with the EU.

I think as a general principle the more over-arching government is - whether it is family vs. local government or state vs. local, or federal vs. state or multi-national vs. national - the more at risk our liberty is as it was originally envisioned for the USA. Some good people don't see it this way, but I disagree strongly. I do not want to see Americans being sent to war at the behest of multinational government or the UN and I do not want a union of nations deciding what the laws are within the country.

It isn't that other countries are bad and we are good, but just as individuals are better judges of what is in their best interests in terms of their personal lives than are governments, the citizens of individual nations are better judges of and should alone have the right to decide what is in the best interests of their own nation. I am anti-collectivist and not just as a matter of principle - although that is certainly true.

The practical reality is that the broader the brush with which we determine the codes of conduct of our societies, the less able we are to tailor those codes to actual needs of the people involved and with no uncertainty the greater the risk of injustice. Government is a rough and unforgiving instrument and the less government the better. It should be the people with the most personal stake in all decisions who are allowed to make those decisions. Our life decisions should not be made by beauracrats (spelling) who have no stake or personal investment in the outcome. We have seen all throughout history the dangers and even horrors of centralized power and however benevolent the intention might be, it can never render anything like justice and certainly fosters injustice - it happens over and over again, but still some just don't see it.

We just "didn't have the right people" dictating to others. It isn't beauracracy itself, they might say. It was that we had wrong people in positions of authority and if we just get "good" people making this decisions and having power over people's lives we'll be okay. People have fooled themselves about this over and over again throughout history and the founders knew that. It IS the government itself and all the good intentions and all the noble talk of "great societies" won't change that.

Government is inflexible and does not suffer the consequences of bad decisions in the way that individuals do. We see this happen all the time in the way government dispenses "social services". Government is absolutely the worst tool except in cases where is it the only possible tool and that is a principle that can be extended across the board whether we are talking about the kind of thinking and beauracracy that leads to "zero tolerance" policy or mandatory minimum sentencing or we are talking about world government.

[Ausmerican]

Well it's true then AOL really is "The internet...for dummies."

[Elizabeth I]

Dude... internet polls are never scientific or statistically accurate... That poll is completely meaningless!

(besides any university student could go to their library and go down the row of computers voting for ron paul... which kinda bursts your, "this poll is totally legitimate" bubble)

Or the public library. Or in a city with lots of branch libraries, EVERY public library.

[Library Lady and any other library employees who might be around: sshhh, I know, but it will keep them occupied.]

[Rob Lister]

Before any of you Globalist posters say "Ron Paul supporters are spamming the polls"

Well...WRONG

It records your IP address and only lets you vote once. To test it I also tried to go to it through a few different proxy sites and it will not load so it must have proxys blocked too. The only other way a person could vote twice is by going to a whole new computer at a different IP.


You are mistaken. It is cookie based. I just proved it by opening the page, voting, closing the page, removing all new cookies, and voting again.

eta: rcp has him nationally holding (ha!) at 4% with rudy in the lead at 21% and the huskster closely behind at 18%

rcp is a statistical compilation of all major polling houses.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national-primary.html

[maxpower1227]

You are mistaken. It is cookie based. I just proved it by opening the page, voting, closing the page, removing all new cookies, and voting again.

What do you know! It works!

Care to revise your earlier boastful comments, Astute Perspicuous?

[maxpower1227]

In your opinion? This coming from a guy that's whole belief system can be summed up with his avitar.

IMO, your opinion is about as relevant as an episode of South Park.

1) It's "avatar"

2) A Ron Paulbot making a derisive comment about South Park, a show produced by two very outspoken Libertarians? That's interesting...

[WildCat]

The Ron Paul juggernaut is unstoppable!

[the escape plan]

Jeez, one minute Ron Paul is saying "trade, not invade" the next he's saying how NAFTA will lead to a North American Union and kicking "globalism".

Does Ron Paul support free trade or not?
I have been asking the same question myself. He says he is all for free trade, but his voting record shows that he has not voted for a free trade agreement.

[littlehulkster]

No...actually I am currently uploading the video RIGHT NOW that proves that the page YOU LISTED above is a fake.

I just made a video with a screen recording program that proves it's a fake...

WANT PROOF?!?!

1. This video proves it. The quality is a lil low because of google vids reformatting but you get the jist. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6466174647586574826

2. If you want MORE PROOF that the anonymz is fake, do a simple test. Got to the home page at http://anonymz.com. Input the web address http://whatismyip.com copy the referrer link and past it in your browser bar. The whatsmyip.com will STILL pull up your IP adress.

3. Still want more proof? Go to the AOL straw poll at http://news.aol.com/political-machin...-dec-21-jan-4 and vote for a certain candidate...Then, go back to this guys FAKE anonymz page at http://ronpaulgw.googlepages.com/polls and see if it lets you vote again...IT WILL NOT

You are so BUSTED. You prob created this thing to try and discredit us, but it will not work. Can't win fair and square eh?

And...btw...In reply to your lil cocky smarmy attitude when you said;



I reply to that with;

Oh no! 14,663 votes! (Giuliani Totals) That's true election winning power right there.
Total Votes for Ron Paul so far 24,718 29%

Next in line is Giuliani with 14,663 17%

Huckabee 14,109 17%

Mccain 11,877 14%

Romney 11,869 14%

Thompson 7,281 8%

Hunter 886 1%

Put your money where you mouth is...Take the bet I offered above or stick a sock in it. Your tricks may work on your little buddies here, but not me.


Internet.

SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[Axiom_Blade]

So, Ron Paul gets the AOL vote?
Why am I not surprised by this??

[Kerberos]

The Ron Paul juggernaut is unstoppable!

He shall rule Teh INTEWEB!

[Rika]

It's cookie based? Lazy programmers. It's nearly trivial to get the IP of hte website visiting you, put it in a db, and when youvote, run a check against it. Lazy.

[Rob Lister]

It's cookie based? Lazy programmers. It's nearly trivial to get the IP of hte website visiting you, put it in a db, and when youvote, run a check against it. Lazy.

The problem with basing it on IP is that you exclude a large percentage of voters; those that share an IP.

[SDC]

Dude... internet polls are never scientific or statistically accurate... That poll is completely meaningless!

(besides any university student could go to their library and go down the row of computers voting for ron paul... which kinda bursts your, "this poll is totally legitimate" bubble)

That's it, blame the librarians.

[SDC]

A poll with a self-selecting sample is about as useful as a sand merchant at the beach.

I brought this up before in a discussion with Oliver but think it bears repeating. In 1936, an important poll predicted Alf Landon would beat FDR in a landslide. See http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5168/

This is exactly what happened: a self-selecting sample.

That said, I have no idea who the Repubs are going to nominate and don't care too much at this point. The present crowd is enough to make me yearn for ... gack ... Reagan. At least he could tell a joke.

[D'rok]

There is no use in trying to explain to many of these people because they already know. In the thread listed below I show that almost 1/3 of the people on this forum support a NORTH AMERICAN UNION and alsmot another 1/4 are not sure if they support it.

The only clear number is that 48.65% of the people on this forum DO NOT SUPPORT a NAU. With less than half of the people here against the NAU you can start to see why many of these people do not support Ron Paul.

29.73% are complete traitors to America
21.62% are not sure if they are traitors to America
48.65% have loyalty to America

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100392

Yes 22 29.73%
No 36 48.65%
Not Sure 16 21.62%


I voted in your little poll. I voted against the idea of a NAU, and I have exactly zero loyalty to America.

Can you guess why? Can you then extrapolate that revelation to the AOL poll and then re-think your conclusions? (Hint: I also voted in the AOL poll)

[fuelair]

There is no use in trying to explain to many of these people because they already know. In the thread listed below I show that almost 1/3 of the people on this forum support a NORTH AMERICAN UNION and alsmot another 1/4 are not sure if they support it.

The only clear number is that 48.65% of the people on this forum DO NOT SUPPORT a NAU. With less than half of the people here against the NAU you can start to see why many of these people do not support Ron Paul.

29.73% are complete traitors to America
21.62% are not sure if they are traitors to America
48.65% have loyalty to America

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100392

Yes 22 29.73%
No 36 48.65%
Not Sure 16 21.62%

I have to ask and am not certain of other words so I will go with the ones I know. By your explanation of your poll you must be a fool an incompetant or a liar. I do not know which but: There are several thousand people registered on this forum of which over a thousand post with some regularity and around 6-700 with regularity above that.
If you are a fool, you did not even consider that most had no interest in any way /or never saw your poll.
If you are incompetant, you do not know enough about statistics to know that done as it is your poll says nothing about anyone except the people who bothered to do it after seeing it.
If you are a liar, you know both of those things and are knowingly misstating the meaning of your poll results.

In addition, you are foully claiming that those who do not support your world view are traitors to America. That is the kind of statement I would expect (have expected) from Joe McCarthy, Robert Welch, George Lincoln Rockwell,
David Dukes and their like.

It happens that I do not support a North American Union - but I certainly do not consider those who do not agree traitors - I just do not want to dilute/change certain aspects of life in the US to meet certain aspects of life in Canada and Mexico.

[Corsair 115]

Jeez, one minute Ron Paul is saying "trade, not invade" the next he's saying how NAFTA will lead to a North American Union and kicking "globalism".

Does Ron Paul support free trade or not?Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to the question as well.

It happens that I do not support a North American Union - but I certainly do not consider those who do not agree traitors - I just do not want to dilute/change certain aspects of life in the US to meet certain aspects of life in Canada and Mexico.Given the dominance culturally, economically, and politically that the United States has on the North American continent, it is far more likely it'd be Canada and Mexico changing to adopt American aspects of life, not the other way around.

In the thread listed below I show that almost 1/3 of the people on this forum support a NORTH AMERICAN UNION and alsmot another 1/4 are not sure if they support it.Simple question, AP:

What is your definition of North American Union?

Please be precise.

[LawnOven]

That's it, blame the librarians.

What, the silent saviors of the combined scientific and cultural knowledge of humanity?

If I were to start a religion it would probably be based around librarians. :)

I think I can overlook them making it possible for ron paul supporters to fix and unscientific aol poll.

[dudalb]

AP is a textbook example of the True Believer: He manages to keep any reality form interfering with his fantasies.
The Ron Paul candidacy is going nowhere outside of a few Internet geeks.
And the power of internet geeks is limited. If Internet Buzz translated into power in the Real World, then "Snakes On A Plane" would have outgrossed "Titanic" at the Box Office.

[Michael Redman]

The truth is, for the first time many millions of people are hearing a political message that truly resonates with them. All those people who never voted or were involved in politics feel for the first time there is a candidate representing their views. This is so obvious I'm amazed people don't see it. You seem to be missing the obvious explanation. People see it, but they understand that the solutions Paul is offering will not work.

[dudalb]

This is so obvious I'm amazed people don't see it.

The True Believer in a nutshell.