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bigred
27th December 2007, 05:14 PM
They make a good point ;)

http://www.mrs.org/s_mrs/sec_subscribe.asp?CID=3695&DID=21812&action=detail
fuelair
27th December 2007, 07:56 PM
Looks reasonable to me!!
Just thinking
27th December 2007, 09:50 PM
The printer-friendly (http://www.mrs.org/s_mrs/sec_subscribe.asp?CID=3695&DID=21812&action=detail&css=print) version is much clearer.
QBinBee
27th December 2007, 10:03 PM
I see nothing but random symbols and characters. A little help?
Just thinking
27th December 2007, 10:07 PM
I see nothing but random symbols and characters. A little help?

... ahhh, that's the joke! Obviously it went up on the site messed up and no one noticed.
QBinBee
27th December 2007, 10:27 PM
... ahhh, that's the joke! Obviously it went up on the site messed up and no one noticed.

Ah! So unscrambling it gives us.... what? ID arguments?
tsg
28th December 2007, 05:59 AM
I get an error: "File does not begin with '%PDF-'"
bigred
28th December 2007, 12:16 PM
... ahhh, that's the joke! Obviously it went up on the site messed up and no one noticed.

Well I'm glad somebody got it. :cool:

So much for careful observation eh??
Acleron
28th December 2007, 12:23 PM
Just change the title to 'How to Judge Flawed Presentations" and everything will make sense.
Wowbagger
28th December 2007, 12:25 PM
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Wow! I love this quote so much, I am tempted to use it as my .sig!
bigred
28th December 2007, 12:31 PM
Wow! I love this quote so much, I am tempted to use it as my .sig!

Actually I believe this has been disproven in further studies FYI.
Wowbagger
28th December 2007, 01:14 PM
Actually I believe this has been disproven in further studies FYI.Evidence?
joobz
28th December 2007, 01:18 PM
Evidence?
squiggle, squiggle, doohicky, squiggle.
Ladewig
28th December 2007, 02:44 PM
The only point I might add to the list is "Claims of persecution." For examples see the works of free-energy con artist Dennis Lee and many homeopaths.

ETA: I just looked up Dennis Lee (inventor) in Wikipedia to see if that guy has been placed in jail yet and found a placeholder but no article. Is there someone knowledgeable enough around here to put together an factually and legally accurate description?
mummymonkey
28th December 2007, 02:59 PM
Read it here (http://lucy.mrs.org/publications/bulletin/2005/feb/feb05_materialmatters.pdf).
Acleron
28th December 2007, 08:04 PM
The original was better.

They refer to Sokal et al as flawed science,when he was exposing flawed thinking!!
Wowbagger
28th December 2007, 09:16 PM
squiggle, squiggle, doohicky, squiggle.Actually, Argumentum ad Squigglum is a common logical fallacy. You'll have to do better than that.
Chris Haynes
28th December 2007, 11:04 PM
The only point I might add to the list is "Claims of persecution." For examples see the works of free-energy con artist Dennis Lee and many homeopaths.

ETA: I just looked up Dennis Lee (inventor) in Wikipedia to see if that guy has been placed in jail yet and found a placeholder but no article. Is there someone knowledgeable enough around here to put together an factually and legally accurate description?

Attorney General Sues New Jersey Man Over Sales Presentation (http://atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?&id=4706)

and

Attorney General Says Salesmans Claims Violate Court Order (http://atg.wa.gov/pressrelease.aspx?&id=3892)

He seems to have escaped jail, but he is not welcome in at least one state.
biomorph
30th December 2007, 05:25 AM
Actually, Argumentum ad Squigglum is a common logical fallacy. You'll have to do better than that.

squiggle (doohicky, squiggle), squiggle (doohicky, squiggle) = doohicky, (squiggle, squiggle), squiggle (doohicky, squiggle) > doohicky, doohicky, squiggle.

:p
fls
30th December 2007, 05:46 AM
The original was better.

They refer to Sokal et al as flawed science,when he was exposing flawed thinking!!

It was flawed science in the sense that it was not something upon which further exploration and understanding could be built, even though it originally had that appearance. Although, one could argue that even legitimate post-modernist gobbledygook fails that criterion, which I suppose may be your point.

Linda
bigred
31st December 2007, 10:17 AM
Evidence?

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This is clearly laid out here:

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How about doing a little research before spouting off like that next time? geez
Chris Haynes
31st December 2007, 10:23 PM
...http://"= qLx>8OKMN;% JY 1SULl6YiDG+Qe1#%*IRf2 40Zrr=9Q-:[Z}*&/u /׬W"jϜA

How about doing a little research before spouting off like that next time? geez


What does that say in English?
tsg
1st January 2008, 12:03 AM
What does that say in English?

Exactly what it looks like.
quarky
1st January 2008, 08:10 AM
there's curse words in there.
I find that offensive as ****.
bigred
1st January 2008, 08:25 AM
What does that say in English?

strawman.
Chris Haynes
1st January 2008, 01:02 PM
strawman.

Evasion noted. :p
bigred
3rd January 2008, 08:06 AM
ad hom! ad hom!! Cmon ref gimme a break!!
tsg
3rd January 2008, 08:25 AM
Two minutes, unsportsmanlike conduct.