View Full Version : For Libertarians who oppose State-owned Media
Nathyn
30th December 2007, 05:45 PM
The Iranian government-owned website Press TV has been publishing propaganda to support Ron Paul:
Dec 15th:
Paul: Bush no authority to rule world (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35091§ionid=3510203)
Dec 16th:
Paul: Americans embrace reform (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35252§ionid=3510203)
Dec 17th:
Paul's 'Money Bomb' raises new hope (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35396§ionid=3510203)
Dec 18th:
Paul: Bush betrayed people's trust (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35498§ionid=3510203)
Dec 19th:
Ron Paul 'Revolution' flourishes (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35634§ionid=3510203)
Dec 22nd:
Ron Paul DVD takes market by storm (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35881§ionid=3510203)
Dec 25th:
Paul: Iran attack on Israel, illusion (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=36337§ionid=351020101)
Dec 26th:
Paul: Hawks control Republican Party (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=36432&sectionid=3510203)
Dec 27th:
Bank predicts Ron Paul win, US slump (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=36480&sectionid=3510203)
Dec 28th:
Paul: Neocons fanning Iran war flame (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=36659§ionid=351020101)
Dec 30th:
Paul says Fox News scared of him (http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.aspx?id=36811§ionid=3510203)
Paul, Fox and freedom of expression (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=36895&sectionid=3510203)
See? State-media isn't always so bad. :D
Schneibster
30th December 2007, 10:03 PM
LOL
Well, I guess that tells us where the Paul-bots are coming from.
davefoc
31st December 2007, 01:09 PM
This was interesting but the point eludes me a bit.
Since I tend to agree with Paul and Iran on the appropriate role of the US in the middle east does this mean that I am a hypocrite unless I favor the nationalization of Fox News?
Or does this mean that since Iran is obviously run by crazies since they agree with Paul that I am also crazy since I agree with Iran and Paul on the appropriate role for the US in the middle east.
Or is the point that Paul is an islamofacist lover since he doesn't want to bomb Iran and this is just more evidence of this.
Nathyn
31st December 2007, 05:04 PM
This was interesting but the point eludes me a bit.
Since I tend to agree with Paul and Iran on the appropriate role of the US in the middle east does this mean that I am a hypocrite unless I favor the nationalization of Fox News?
Or does this mean that since Iran is obviously run by crazies since they agree with Paul that I am also crazy since I agree with Iran and Paul on the appropriate role for the US in the middle east.
Or is the point that Paul is an islamofacist lover since he doesn't want to bomb Iran and this is just more evidence of this.
Silly Conservatives will use this to make the red herring, "Iran supports Ron Paul, therefore Paul supports appeasement and isolationism is wrong!"
I just thought it was hilariously ironic.
That libertarian democracy, Iran, touting the success of Ron Paul's "revolution."
The fact that his opponents haven't jumped on this and broadcast smear ads about his support from authoritarian regimes, and his alleged racism and anti-semitism, demonstrate that they don't take him seriously as a candidate and consider it a waste of resources.
davefoc
31st December 2007, 06:44 PM
Yes, I suspect you are right about everything that you said.
It is a little disappointing to me that the only Republican in the race who favors the ideals of small government and less militaristic policies can't even gather enough of the Republican primary vote to justify a few good smear campaigns against him.
The reality right now is that the Republican Party is dominated by hawks who favor continued aggressive US foreign policy especially in the middle east and by social conservatives and I think that group would vote for any mainstream Democrat a long time before they would vote for Paul.
It is somewhat interesting to me that the US has spent hundreds of billions of dollars mucking about in the middle east and the net effect is probably worse for almost everybody except perhaps some Israeli god-gave-me-this-land hawks and the US military industry.
Beerina
2nd January 2008, 09:20 AM
Since I tend to agree with Paul and Iran on the appropriate role of the US in the middle east does this mean that I am a hypocrite unless I favor the nationalization of Fox News?
Or does this mean that since Iran is obviously run by crazies since they agree with Paul that I am also crazy since I agree with Iran and Paul on the appropriate role for the US in the middle east.
People with disparate reasons can find they need the same goals, if for radically different reasons.
Arch-conservatives and arch-feminists both want pornography outlawed -- and eagerly jump into bed together for this goal.
CaptainManacles
2nd January 2008, 09:34 AM
Authoritarian regimes support american isolationism? How is that suprising or relevent to state controlled media. Ron Paul is hardly a libertarian either. He's an anti-federalist/isolationist.
dudalb
2nd January 2008, 01:24 PM
Another nail in Ron Paul's coffin.
Beerina
3rd January 2008, 11:02 AM
As I recall, the terrorists all wanted Kerry to win the last election, too, for what it's worth.
Mister Agenda
3rd January 2008, 11:04 AM
Thanks PRESS TV for covering Ron Paul. You still shouldn't be state-owned, but it doesn't mean you're never right.
Praktik
3rd January 2008, 11:08 AM
As I recall, the terrorists all wanted Kerry to win the last election, too, for what it's worth.
that's right, because they all wanted Kerrey to close down the giant Terrorist Recruitment Centers Bush opened in Baghdad and major centers across the Middle East. lol!
Actually, that probably would have cost a lot less for the Bushies than "the long way". All they woulda needed was some stick-on beards, a few Kalashnikov's, some Korans and some bomb-making manuals, and we'd be in the same spot having spent a LOT less money!
Beerina
4th January 2008, 07:05 AM
Authoritarian regimes support american isolationism? How is that suprising or relevent to state controlled media. Ron Paul is hardly a libertarian either. He's an anti-federalist/isolationist.
Good point. Libertarians, based on the same root word as "liberty", love the idea of expanded free trade zones, as a stepping stone to fully unregulated trade. Whatever Ron Paul is, it isn't a small-L libertarian.
Nathyn
4th January 2008, 08:21 AM
Good point. Libertarians, based on the same root word as "liberty", love the idea of expanded free trade zones, as a stepping stone to fully unregulated trade. Whatever Ron Paul is, it isn't a small-L libertarian.
Correction: Libertarians support free trade in principle, but oppose its establishment in practice.
They oppose government actions like free trade agreements and "free trade zones," because they see it as "bureaucratically-controlled free trade."
Although empirically, NAFTA has been shown to have strengthened free trade between Canada, the USA, and Mexico, they ignorantly oppose it, like a lot of people both left and right-wing.
The only kind of "free trade" they support must come through de-regulation.
TV's Frank
4th January 2008, 08:27 AM
Arch-conservatives and arch-feminists both want pornography outlawed -- and eagerly jump into bed together for this goal.
Can we film it??
Beerina
7th January 2008, 10:20 AM
Ann Coulter and Maureen Dowd or Naomi Wolff? Sure.
daenku32
7th January 2008, 10:23 AM
Paul is an islamofacist lover since he doesn't want to bomb Iran and this is just more evidence of this.
That would make a great quote-mine.
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