Library of Congress says Scotland part of England

[Elizabeth I]

No, not "Britain," or the "U.K.":

Library brought to book over loss of Scots section (http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/entertainment/Library-brought-to-book-over.3616389.jp)
Scotland on Sunday by Marc Horne - Edinburgh,Scotland,UK
"Senior Scottish writers have criticised a decision by the world's biggest library to reclassify their work as a subsection of English literature..."

Well, I'm speechless...

[Doc Daneeka]

I honestly don't see the problem. Books written by Scottish people have overwhelmingly been written in English, at least for the past several centuries.

Unless of course the category of "English literature" isn't determined by language. If they give separate categories to (for ex.) Australian, American, Canadian, and Irish literature, you have a serious point. If that's the case, colour me indignant too.

[tsg]

After a quick perusal through the Library of Congress Catalog (http://catalog.loc.gov/), it appears it is "English" as in "from England" rather than "in the English Language". "American Literature" has its own heading, as does "Irish Literature", "Polish Literature" and "Australian Literature". A search for "Scottish Literature" does return results, though.

[CptColumbo]

Maybe Scottish authors should write more books and whine less. Both of them. :)

BTW where do Dylan Thomas and Salman Rushdie appear in the catalog.

[Gazpacho]

Let's clear this up once and for all:

- The United Kingdom is a nation-state.
- Great Britain is an island.
- England and Scotland are football teams.

[Jaggy Bunnet]

Let's clear this up once and for all:

- The United Kingdom is a nation-state.
- Great Britain is an island.
- England and Scotland are football teams.

Scotland is a football team, England is a collection of football players.

[Damien Evans]

Scotland is a football team, England is a collection of football players.

:dl:

So true. Then again, so is Australia...

[WildCat]

What? They're going to lump the great Ewen MacTeagel in with the English?

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[dudalb]

Confusion between English as a language and English as referring to someone or something (excepting language) from that part of the British Islands knows as England perhaps?
In just about every college, courses in American Literature are generally in the English Department.

[drkitten]

Confusion between English as a language and English as referring to someone or something (excepting language) from that part of the British Islands knows as England perhaps?
In just about every college, courses in American Literature are generally in the English Department.

That's how I read it, too.

From the article cited:


Under the new rules, the heading Scottish Literature and more than 40 Scottish subjects are to be grouped under three headings.

They include 'English Literature – Scottish Authors', 'Dialect Literature – Scottish', and 'Scotland – Literatures'.

An example is the classic novel The Thirty Nine Steps by Scottish author John Buchan which will now be listed under 'Adventure Stories – English'.

I guess the question is wheher "adventure stories -- Irish" is a non-empty category, while "adventure stories -- scottish" is empty.

As far as I am concerned, if it's not written in Gaelic, it's not "Scottish" literature; it's literature written in English that happened to be written by an author from Scotland.

[geni]

The problem is that rather a lot of books writen by scots tend to fit in better with english litery traditions that scotish ones.

[tsg]

That's how I read it, too.

From the article cited:



I guess the question is wheher "adventure stories -- Irish" is a non-empty category, while "adventure stories -- scottish" is empty.

As far as I am concerned, if it's not written in Gaelic, it's not "Scottish" literature; it's literature written in English that happened to be written by an author from Scotland.

From here (http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SEQ=20080103150515&BROWSEBACK=1&Search%5FArg=Adventure%20Stories&Search%5FCode=SUBJ%5F&CNT=100&PID=6086&SID=5):

Adventure stories, Afrikaans
Adventure stories, American
Adventure stories, Australian
Adventure stories, Canadian
Adventure stories, English
Adventure stories, English South Africa
Adventure stories, French
Adventure stories, French-Canadian
Adventure stories, German
Adventure stories, Italian
Adventure stories, Russian
Adventure stories, Spanish
Adventure stories, Swiss

Neither Irish nor Scottish have their own categories. I also notice "Welsh" is missing, although American, Australian and Canadian are there.

[Damien Evans]

From here (http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SEQ=20080103150515&BROWSEBACK=1&Search%5FArg=Adventure%20Stories&Search%5FCode=SUBJ%5F&CNT=100&PID=6086&SID=5):

Adventure stories, Afrikaans
Adventure stories, American
Adventure stories, Australian
Adventure stories, Canadian
Adventure stories, English
Adventure stories, English South Africa
Adventure stories, French
Adventure stories, French-Canadian
Adventure stories, German
Adventure stories, Italian
Adventure stories, Russian
Adventure stories, Spanish
Adventure stories, Swiss

Neither Irish nor Scottish have their own categories. I also notice "Welsh" is missing, although American, Australian and Canadian are there.

Have the Welsh learned to read yet?

[Soapy Sam]

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[tsg]

Have the Welsh learned to read yet?

Got me. I'm 'merkin. Isn't it enough I knew they were part of the UK?

[Rolfe]

I don't know what SoS is moaning about, bunch of bootlicking unionist Uncle Toms.

I can see a degree of problem - I mean, John Buchan is undoubtedly Scots, he went to the same school I did, but what he writes is English. But Hugh McDiarmaid??

I wonder where they're putting Gaelic literature, just as a thought.

Come in, Architect....

Rolfe.

[CptColumbo]

Have the Welsh learned to read yet?
That's why I'm curious where Dylan Thomas is listed.

[tsg]

I wonder where they're putting Gaelic literature, just as a thought.

Under "Scottish Gaelic Literature", apparently.

[Damien Evans]

Got me. I'm 'merkin. Isn't it enough I knew they were part of the UK?

I suppose so. We can't expect too much after all.

[Soapy Sam]

Does anyone of education seriously believe the English could have invented something as complex as the English language on their own?

[CFLarsen]

Scotland is part of Denmark.

Has been since Lindisfarne. All other claims are pseudohistoric.

:viking1 :viking1 :viking1

[tsg]

I suppose so. We can't expect too much after all.

Sometimes I think you ROWers[1] make things weird just to screw with us. Like, this game you call "football" that you can't use your hands in. And that other game that's like baseball except you play it for three days and it ends in a tie. What the hell is that?




[1] "Rest of the World"

[technoextreme]

From here (http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?SEQ=20080103150515&BROWSEBACK=1&Search%5FArg=Adventure%20Stories&Search%5FCode=SUBJ%5F&CNT=100&PID=6086&SID=5):

Adventure stories, Afrikaans
Adventure stories, American
Adventure stories, Australian
Adventure stories, Canadian
Adventure stories, English
Adventure stories, English South Africa
Adventure stories, French
Adventure stories, French-Canadian
Adventure stories, German
Adventure stories, Italian
Adventure stories, Russian
Adventure stories, Spanish
Adventure stories, Swiss

Neither Irish nor Scottish have their own categories. I also notice "Welsh" is missing, although American, Australian and Canadian are there.
Here is the classification for the P section. (http://www.loc.gov/aba/cataloging/classification/lcco/lcco_p.pdf)

[geni]

Does anyone of education seriously believe the English could have invented something as complex as the English language on their own?

I think it's more that it is generaly accepted that no one would set out to invent the english language and it just sort of happened.

[tsg]

I think it's more that it is generaly accepted that no one would set out to invent the english language and it just sort of happened.

It's the kind of result you could expect if it was designed by a committee. Which, oddly enough, is not an inaccurate representation.

[Wildy]

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Aran.