Congressional Democrats finally growing some?

[Sundog]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97741,00.html

About time the Democrats quit cowering in the corner.

[corplinx]

I'm glad to see that after years of waging class warfare, accusing opponents of wanting to poison the air and water, accusing opponents of wanting to makes children starve and accusing the Bush admin of murder that the congressional democrats have finally "grown some".

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by corplinx
I'm glad to see that after years of waging class warfare, accusing opponents of wanting to poison the air and water, accusing opponents of wanting to makes children starve and accusing the Bush admin of murder that the congressional democrats have finally "grown some".

Yep, the Democrats do all of those things. OF course the Republicans are no better, they tend to accuse their oponents of being in league with terrorists, and of being evil malicious monsters whose actions border on treason whenever they dare to criticize the president, and worse.

It is one of the reasons I despise politics in this country.

[Malachi151]

I just love how politicians are trying to come out now and sound all high and mighty on the war issue when regular people, and even "Hollywood liberals", were trying hard to stand up to the president BEFORE the war and they didn't get the support they needed at that time!

At least Kennedy voted against it, but where was the public show of support? None of them is willing to lay it on the line and stand up for what is right, its easier to let the bad things happen and then say I told you so.

From the very beginning I had a "Regime CHange Starts at Home" sticker on my truck, I told people that Bush was a liar, I creatred a web site calling him a liar, all well before it became "socially acceptable". Well, I'm glad they are doing it now, but a fat lot of good it does to stand up to people AFTER the fact.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Malachi151

From the very beginning I had a "Regime CHange Starts at Home" sticker on my truck

I think that speaks for itself.

[jj]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Yep, the Democrats do all of those things. OF course the Republicans are no better, they tend to accuse their oponents of being in league with terrorists, and of being evil malicious monsters whose actions border on treason whenever they dare to criticize the president, and worse.

It is one of the reasons I despise politics in this country.

And more to that point, Republiguns radiate the attitude that "if you got discriminated against, it's your fault", "well, since you were the victim, you must have done something to deserve it", and the like.

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Sundog
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97741,00.html

About time the Democrats quit cowering in the corner.

I am very disappointed in the way the Democrats have been cowering as well ever since Clinton left the picture.

However, now that Clark is coming into focus, and so far anyway, he is unafraid to speak up for at least few liberal causes, the Congessional Democrats may actually develop the gumption to take a stand for something too!

[corplinx]

Originally posted by Crossbow


I am very disappointed in the way the Democrats have been cowering as well ever since Clinton left the picture.

However, now that Clark is coming into focus, and so far anyway, he is unafraid to speak up for at least few liberal causes, the Congessional Democrats may actually develop the gumption to take a stand for something too!


I guess congressman Dennis Kucinich has been cowering?

The truth is there are outspoken democrats, the problem is nobody seems to be listening.

[jj]

Originally posted by corplinx



I guess congressman Dennis Kucinich has been cowering?

The truth is there are outspoken democrats, the problem is nobody seems to be listening.

Corps, do you know Dennis the Menace's history?

I lived near Cleveland when he was mayor.

Yi!

The Demorat's problem is very simple, they have as few truly capable people as the Republiguns have, like the Republiguns they can't talk on their feet because they don't know enough, and neither have any real principles.

In other words, pot, saucepan...

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by corplinx



I guess congressman Dennis Kucinich has been cowering?

The truth is there are outspoken democrats, the problem is nobody seems to be listening.


Ah yes, now I remember why Kucininch is such a good candidate. :)


We need to start electing more Democrats that have the guts to take on any Republican Administration.

George W. Bush is the worst president ever since Herbert Hoover, when it comes to economics.

Bush has also managed to completely destroy our foreign policy!

We have another Quagmire, and this time it is not Vietnam! It's IRAQ!

The United States has managed to dig its own grave...

no...

Bush has managed to dig a grave for the USA


If we don't get George Bush out of office, our contry will be even in more trouble.

What I have been reading so far is, that George Bush is planning on attacking Iran or North Korea.

If that happens, that will put our economy even further in the shi**er and USA foreign policy will be non existant.

The USA will become a massive reactionary country. Seizing land at will for so called "Legitimate" reasons (i.e. WMD's, Terrorists live there, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera)


Don't elect thief next year!

Vote anyone but Bush!

A vote for Bush is a vote for the Decay, and destruction of the USA!

[Tony]

Originally posted by jj



The Demorat's problem is very simple, they have as few truly capable people as the Republiguns have, like the Republiguns they can't talk on their feet because they don't know enough, and neither have any real principles.



I agree, the whole political/governmental establishment in this country needs a substantial enema.

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by jj


Corps, do you know Dennis the Menace's history?

I lived near Cleveland when he was mayor.

Yi!

The Demorat's problem is very simple, they have as few truly capable people as the Republiguns have, like the Republiguns they can't talk on their feet because they don't know enough, and neither have any real principles.

In other words, pot, saucepan...


Excellent Post JJ!


The Democrats do need strogner candidates.


I wouldn't have such a big problem with Republicans except for one thing.

THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT HAS TAKEN OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!



And everyone knows what the Religious Right is after:

Make Church and State One

Make Abortions Illegal

Ban Stem Cell Research

(Might as well be labeling them as Anti Biotechnology)

Force People to Believe in Christianity Only....

Et Cetera....

[jj]

Originally posted by Tony

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Originally posted by jj



The Demorat's problem is very simple, they have as few truly capable people as the Republiguns have, like the Republiguns they can't talk on their feet because they don't know enough, and neither have any real principles.
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I agree, the whole political/governmental establishment in this country needs a substantial enema.

In this particular case, I think your words are actually quite accurately chosen, Tony.

I suspect we might pick different replacements, though.

[Tony]

Originally posted by jj

I suspect we might pick different replacements, though.


As long as they are dedicated to the constitution and make preserving (and expanding) individual freedom their top priority, they are fine by me. How can you disagree with that?

[hammegk]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))


I wouldn't have such a big problem with Republicans except for one thing.

THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT HAS TAKEN OVER THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

And everyone knows what the Religious Right is after:

Make Church and State One

Make Abortions Illegal

Ban Stem Cell Research

(Might as well be labeling them as Anti Biotechnology)

Force People to Believe in Christianity Only....

Et Cetera....

Strange, I tend to vote for republican candidates, but those aren't my positions. Nor would I have a clue about how to join this Religious Right you mention. You (& the non-liberal jj) should infiltrate that bunch & write an expose.

[jj]

Originally posted by hammegk


Strange, I tend to vote for republican candidates, but those aren't my positions. Nor would I have a clue about how to join this Religious Right you mention. You (& the non-liberal jj) should infiltrate that bunch & write an expose.

Hmm, now what was it you said about abiogenesis, evolution, and all that?

[jj]

Originally posted by Tony

As long as they are dedicated to the constitution and make preserving (and expanding) individual freedom their top priority, they are fine by me. How can you disagree with that?

It's concievable that I could disagree, of course, but if preserving and expanding freedom means obeying the constitution, not putting bible-verses in court, not giving an internal agency supra-constitutional powers, etc, we could agree, perhaps.

[hammegk]

Originally posted by jj


Hmm, now what was it you said about abiogenesis, evolution, and all that?

Feel free to logically explain how you link the positions mentioned by ..... to my posts on those subjects. Does your interest in audio equipment control the way you vote?

Well in your case, maybe. You're sure you are not a pc'lib tree-hugger?

[jj]

Originally posted by hammegk


Feel free to logically explain how you link the positions mentioned by ..... to my posts on those subjects. Does your interest in audio equipment control the way you vote?

Well in your case, maybe. You're sure you are not a pc'lib tree-hugger?

A word of thanks here
To hammy, contributing
In the negative

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by hammegk


Strange, I tend to vote for republican candidates, but those aren't my positions. Nor would I have a clue about how to join this Religious Right you mention. You (& the non-liberal jj) should infiltrate that bunch & write an expose.


The Religous Right comprises of two types of Protestant Christianity:

Conservative Christians

Fundamentalist Christians <--- Are the densest people on the planet!

They are a growing force unfortunately since they have been able to take control of the Southern Baptist Convention!

[Tricky]

I don't think we should be too harsh on people who didn't show cojones during the run-up to and the early stages of the war. Politicians (and people who follow politics) know that to oppose a president in wartime is to volunteer for early retirement. One rule about "making a difference" is that you have to be there in order to make a difference. People get branded as "traitors" during wartime and even if they are proven correct, they never can erase the brand. (The name Jane Fonda comes to mind.)

I never heard Howard Dean, the new darling of the anti-Bush movement, make a single comment in the Spring of 2003. All of his posturing has been after the fact. Brave souls like The Dixie Chicks and Tim Robbins still face a reduction in popularity because they spoke too early.

Also, we must remember that many people were waiting on the facts. We didn't know back in March how the Bushies were manipulating the "evidence". I, for one, was convinced that he was telling the truth about WMDs, although I still supported the UN option rather than invasion. If the revelation that his tales were BS causes people (including politicians) to speak up now when they didn't before, you can only say that they were trying to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. How can they be faulted for that?

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))

Fundamentalist Christians <--- Are the densest people on the planet!



Do you have anything to back that up or are you just insulting people? I've known many Fundamentalists who are quite intelligent. They just have a few weird ideas about the nature of the universe and can be quite annoying about it.

Labeling in order to dismiss or deride is weak and unhelpful. It mainly serves to galvanize those you oppose.

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by Suddenly


Do you have anything to back that up or are you just insulting people? I've known many Fundamentalists who are quite intelligent. They just have a few weird ideas about the nature of the universe and can be quite annoying about it.

Labeling in order to dismiss or deride is weak and unhelpful. It mainly serves to galvanize those you oppose.


I know some myself, yet, they act and seem extremely ignorant of the Sciences!

[Tricky]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))

I know some myself, yet, they act and seem extremely ignorant of the Sciences!
Yes they are. We are all ignorant of some things and we all hold some irrational beliefs. I agree with Suddenly that it is a mistake to write people off because of a single characteristic that we disagree with.

[Theodore Kurita]

Originally posted by Tricky

Yes they are. We are all ignorant of some things and we all hold some irrational beliefs. I agree with Suddenly that it is a mistake to write people off because of a single characteristic that we disagree with.


Ok, well, lets get back on track with the topic...

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by ((^-_-^))



I know some myself, yet, they act and seem extremely ignorant of the Sciences!

And yet I'll guess you have no idea how to play ace-jack offsuit from the button in a loose agressive ten handed 15-30 texas holdem game?

Should I extrapolate your intellectual worth based on your poker knowledge? No?

[nightwind]

I blame the Republicans every bit as the Democrats for the fiasco in Texas.

Texas is in economic shambles, and the Republicans cared more about redistricting than they did about education and other issues. I think that we could have dropped the redistricting, and concentrated on the real needs.

Also, while I was optimistic about him at first, Rick Perry is the poorest governor that I have seen in a long time, and I believe he could have done much more to resolve this situation.

I also heard that Tom Delay, was pushing the redistricting plan, but this guy is pretty much a idiot in my book, but a smart idiot.

Texas, again, is pretty much a laughing stock. :o

[peptoabysmal]

Edward Kennedy is growing his own now? I thought he could afford the good stuff :D

[jj]

Originally posted by Suddenly


And yet I'll guess you have no idea how to play ace-jack offsuit from the button in a loose agressive ten handed 15-30 texas holdem game?

Should I extrapolate your intellectual worth based on your poker knowledge? No?

No idea, but I know what to bid holding 7 spades to the 10 over my partner's 1 NT bid!

[hammegk]

Originally posted by jj


A word of thanks here
To hammy, contributing
In the negative

Ditto. and again .plonk. You must have a record for consecutive posts w/ no content. TTFE

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by jj


No idea, but I know what to bid holding 7 spades to the 10 over my partner's 1 NT bid!

Ask if they have any nines?

[jj]

Originally posted by hammegk


Ditto. and again .plonk. You must have a record for consecutive posts w/ no content. TTFE

Hammy has nothing.
His words are all negative
And his psyche worse!

[Tony]

Originally posted by jj


...but if preserving and expanding freedom means obeying the constitution, not putting bible-verses in court, not giving an internal agency supra-constitutional powers, etc, we could agree, perhaps.


It means that and more.