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Crazy Chainsaw
6th January 2008, 04:56 PM
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5356712.html

This invention provides magnetite particles containing a silicon component inside and also a silicon component exposed on the surface of each particle, which are improved in the properties of electrical resistance, remanent magnetization, and fluidity in a well-balanced way and suited for use principally as powdery material for magnetic toner for electrostatic copying and as black pigment powder for coating materials; and also relates to a process for producing the particles.


1. Magnetite particles containing a silicon and/or silicon oxide compound in the interior thereof and also a silicon and/or silicon oxide compound exposed on the surface thereof, said silicon and/or silicon oxide compound on the surface being in an amount of from 0.1 to 2.0% by weight in terms of silicon with respect to the total amount of each of said magnetite particles and the ratio of the amount of the exposed silicon and/or silicon oxide compound to the total amount of said silicon and/or silicon oxide compound in each of said magnetite particles in terms of silicon, being in the range of 0.05 to 0.7, each of said magnetite particles having a shape of a sphere with a maximum diameter and a minimum diameter which satisfy the following relationships: (maximum diameter)/(minimum diameter)=1.00-1.1.

Printing toner. :D

R.Mackey
6th January 2008, 05:06 PM
Am I to infer that you've found a prospective source for the "iron-rich spherules?"

Interesting if true.

T.A.M.
6th January 2008, 05:08 PM
I am guessing in two 110 storey OFFICE BUILDINGS, there was a little print toner.

just a guess though.

TAM:)

Crazy Chainsaw
6th January 2008, 05:14 PM
OH it gets better some of the main tenets were banks, specify magnetic toner for printing checks. IT is standard all banks use it.

http://www.relyco.com/why_use_micr_toner.htm

Why do I need MICR (magnetic) toner? Can’t I save money by printing my checks with “regular” toner?
Although you can physically print checks with “regular” toner instead of MICR toner, there are several important issues to consider before doing so.
Banks, clearing houses, and other financial institutions read checks in one of two ways – optically, or magnetically (and sometimes both ways). Some people believe that because “their bank” reads checks optically, they can therefore print them with standard toner without repercussions. The problem is, there is no way to guarantee that every check is processed by the bank on which it was drawn – in fact, there are usually several financial institutions involved, and chances are, at least one of them is a “magnetic-read-only” institution. This means that although your checks may make it through the system some of the time, sooner or later they will be slowed down because they have to be manually read, or in some cases, the bank will simply return them as unreadable.


The industry standard for printing checks calls for MICR toner, and for good reason: if someone were to attempt to duplicate a check on a copier, the toner on the copy would be “regular” toner, not MICR. Using MICR toner makes it much more difficult to photocopy a check, and that much easier to spot a fraudulent copy if one should be created.


Finally, there is the issue of “Due Diligence”. Due Diligence simply means that you have done your part to try to deter fraud. The industry standard for Due Diligence is a minimum of 3 security features, with at least one being overt (visible to the naked eye), one being covert (invisible to the naked eye), one being anti-alteration (making it difficult to change the information on the check), and one being anti-duplication (making it difficult to photocopy). Businesses who do not exercise Due Diligence leave themselves vulnerable to fraud, and, perhaps more importantly, pave the way for the bank to place the responsibility on the business for the lost funds. In short, if you don’t practice Due Diligence, the bank is not likely to cover any losses that result from fraud, on the simple grounds that you did not take sufficient measures to prevent it from happening. Assuming you’ve taken the trouble to practice Due Diligence, it really makes no sense to then print your checks with non-MICR (regular) toner and leave yourself exposed in that way. If you’ve incorporated ample security features into your checks and have printed them with MICR toner, you stand a much better chance of being compensated by the bank should any type of fraud take place.

So, the answer to the question is this: No, you don’t HAVE to use MICR toner to print your laser checks. HOWEVER, if you want them to be processed quickly, and if you want to protect yourself from fraud, we highly recommend that you use MICR toner to print your checks.

T.A.M.
6th January 2008, 05:24 PM
So basically, all of S. Jones groundbreaking evidence could easily be explained through electronics and printing toner...

Why am I not surprised.

TAM:)

OldTigerCub
6th January 2008, 05:29 PM
[stifling laughter] Does this mean that the towers were brought down by LASER PRINTERS? :p

Myriad
6th January 2008, 05:32 PM
Hmm, and I suppose we're not talking about a few boxes of the one-liter-sized bottles of toner I'm familiar with for a small office copier. Those high-speed high-volume check-printing beasts must use the stuff by the barrel.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Gravy
6th January 2008, 05:37 PM
Spherical toner particles. I never thought of that. I see the patent, but is such a product in common use?

(By the way, I've never heard of banks printing checks. That's usually done by a printer, using magnetic ink.)

Jonnyclueless
6th January 2008, 05:39 PM
You mean THERMITE toner.

T.A.M.
6th January 2008, 05:40 PM
what is really sad, is that S. Jones claims to be a legit scientist, yet as most scientists will tell you, part of what you do is look at other reasonable, and more likely causes, of your evidence, before you proclaim something out in left field as the answer...

When in a yard full of horses, that four legged animal with a big mane of hair, is almost certainly a horse, not a zebra."

TAM;)

FactCheck
6th January 2008, 05:42 PM
HAHAHAHA!!!... OOPS, Sorry....

:D

MAX-PRINTOP - The evil doers changed the printer cartridges overnight... "It could haaappen"

T.A.M.
6th January 2008, 05:42 PM
http://www.tonercartridgedepot.com/hp-micr-toner-cartridges.html
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/printer/v1r1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.printers.plngcfgguideyuma/g5apcmst35.htm

is this the same type of toner? Seems pretty common to me.

TAM:)

T.A.M.
6th January 2008, 05:45 PM
I am guessing banks would use the same to print money orders, other documents of money exchange, etc...

TAM:)

Crazy Chainsaw
6th January 2008, 05:50 PM
http://www.tonercartridgedepot.com/hp-micr-toner-cartridges.html
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/printer/v1r1/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.printers.plngcfgguideyuma/g5apcmst35.htm

is this the same type of toner? Seems pretty common to me.

TAM:)

Yes, that is it.
How many checks would have been stored with the other document in the buildings do not forget it is used on checks not IF the checks burn what happens to the micro particles, even government payroll check use it.

I really wanted to send this to Apollo20 first, however my email server is messed up keeps returning the mail with an error statement.

exlex
6th January 2008, 06:03 PM
Regarding checks and security: Why couldn't a company have a "Go to www.thecheckisalie.com, enter the check number and the hash value here (3asj24kl3k!4) and it will verify the payee and amount of the check and whether it's been cashed yet" printed on their checks?

~enigma~
6th January 2008, 06:22 PM
So now Kinkos is a prime suspect?

Silentknight
6th January 2008, 06:22 PM
[stifling laughter] Does this mean that the towers were brought down by LASER PRINTERS? :p
Hey, come on now. Do you have any idea how many laser printer related fatalities there are every year? :D

OldTigerCub
6th January 2008, 06:24 PM
Just a thought...if there were document processing machines such as check encoders and sorters, there is another supply item that would be present in large quantities: MICR ribbons. All checks, when processed, have extra fields printed on the bottom line (routing numbers, amounts) by proof encoding machines. In a large proof department there may be hundreds of these machines processing thousands of documents each on any given day. MICR ribbons would have to be in stock in large quantities. MICR ribbons are essentially nothing more than a thin plastic ribbon coated with magnetic media. Burn the plastic away and all that is left is an ash rich in MICR magnetic media.
Like I said, just a thought....:rolleyes:

OldTigerCub
6th January 2008, 06:26 PM
Hey, come on now. Do you have any idea how many laser printer related fatalities there are every year? :D

It appears that my attempt at humor was one of those fatalities....:p

twinstead
6th January 2008, 06:27 PM
I must admit that I didn't laugh, but that's basically because I pretty much didn't get it at all.

Arkan_Wolfshade
6th January 2008, 06:27 PM
I always look forward to CC's posts. First, because their pretty much guaranteed to be interesting. Secondly, because it means he hasn't blown himself up.

Crazy Chainsaw
6th January 2008, 06:29 PM
The Question is how many government shills checks were printed using this technology, that could be important if we ever find ours.

OldTigerCub
6th January 2008, 06:34 PM
The Question is how many government shills checks were printed using this technology, that could be important if we ever find ours.

I'm not really worried. I opted for the NWO direct deposit plan!:D

twinstead
6th January 2008, 06:35 PM
I always look forward to CC's posts. First, because their pretty much guaranteed to be interesting. Secondly, because it means he hasn't blown himself up.

If CC is still posting, it means the world has not yet come to an end...

Crazy Chainsaw
6th January 2008, 06:37 PM
What is the chance that Dr. Joneses chips are credit cards and debit cards consumed by fire?

beachnut
6th January 2008, 06:38 PM
HAHAHAHA!!!... OOPS, Sorry....

:D

MAX-PRINTOP - The evil doers changed the printer cartridges overnight... "It could haaappen"
MaxToner

Horatius
6th January 2008, 06:39 PM
[stifling laughter] Does this mean that the towers were brought down by LASER PRINTERS? :p




Ahem!

That's Orbital Space Death Laser Printers, thankyouverymuch.

MIKILLINI
6th January 2008, 06:41 PM
Max Photon promoted the possibility of lasers being used to ignite thermite-dusted shock tube.
How unwittingly close to literally laser he was. :D

rwguinn
6th January 2008, 06:44 PM
If CC is still posting, it means the world has not yet come to an end...

It does not mean that he hasn't started some Apocolyptical chain-reaction, however. If he's posting, at least we get advanced warning...

MIKILLINI
6th January 2008, 06:46 PM
(xero)X factor for Steven Jones?

Elizabeth I
6th January 2008, 06:46 PM
Ahem!

That's Orbital Space Death Laser Printers, thankyouverymuch.

When do we see NWO Kitty's take on this?

Crazy Chainsaw
6th January 2008, 06:51 PM
Did I forget to mention that these inks are also used in coding on other stuff such as letters, and ups codes on packages who knows how many systems use them?
All the experiments I did and my banker figured it out, gee I could have asked him years ago and saved myself a lot of trouble.

Horatius
6th January 2008, 06:55 PM
When do we see NWO Kitty's take on this?



Let me get back to you on that.....

OldTigerCub
6th January 2008, 07:02 PM
Oh, and Happy Birthday, rwguinn :D

jhunter1163
6th January 2008, 07:05 PM
On an early supermarket checkout scanner:

"Don't look into laser beam with remaining eye."

Crazy Chainsaw
6th January 2008, 07:11 PM
Oh, and Happy Birthday, rwguinn :D

I have to agree with that, Happy Birthday rwguinn, and many more if I do not blow up the planet first.
I will try not to but no promises maybe after this I will go into antimatter research. :D

OldTigerCub
6th January 2008, 07:16 PM
On an early supermarket checkout scanner:

"Don't look into laser beam with remaining eye."

Now that you mention it....The label on the laser pointer I bought as a cat toy:
Avoid Exposure
Laser Radiation is Emitted
From This Aperature

:eek:

Horatius
6th January 2008, 08:51 PM
Let me get back to you on that.....



I'm back. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3310270#post3310270)

gumboot
6th January 2008, 09:41 PM
I'm not really worried. I opted for the NWO direct deposit plan!:D


Direct deposit is so plain! I get paid in 18 year old nubile virgin maidens and the flesh of babies. And boy is it wacky when you get the two mixed up!

-Gumboot

Elizabeth I
6th January 2008, 09:55 PM
Let me get back to you on that.....

I'm back. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3310270#post3310270)

w00t!

p.s. CC, I'm sorry. I laughed.

Gravy
6th January 2008, 10:23 PM
I have to agree with that, Happy Birthday rwguinn, and many more if I do not blow up the planet first.
I will try not to but no promises maybe after this I will go into antimatter research. :DAnd skip right over plasmoids, which are at least twice as likely to have destroyed the towers?

Corsair 115
6th January 2008, 11:24 PM
[stifling laughter] Does this mean that the towers were brought down by LASER PRINTERS? :pSo Canon, Epson, Hewlett-Packard et. al. were in on it?!?

Hokulele
6th January 2008, 11:26 PM
Double-sided job!

(Collating and stapling optional.)

Corsair 115
6th January 2008, 11:29 PM
Double-sided job!

(Collating and stapling optional.)But was the plot designed to US Letter dimensions or A4 dimensions?

Hokulele
6th January 2008, 11:33 PM
But was the plot designed to US Letter dimensions or A4 dimensions?


Tabloid, so we can do half-scale plan sets (A3 for those foreign weinies).

leftysergeant
7th January 2008, 01:00 AM
I don't know why this hadn't occurred to me. I am dusted at least once a week with that stuff at the offices my wife and I clean. It even leaves a metalic taste in my mouth sometimes when I inhale it.

As for Jones missing this, it is not surprising. He has a tendancy to stop when he thinks he has found the link he was looking for. See his paper on Itzamna-as-Jesus.- He overlooked the fact that he had the iconography wrong, and that stigmata should be in the wrists, rather than the hands.

What goes on here is what really drives scientific inquiry. Look at everything that you would expect to be on the scene as well as what is odd, and make sure that you do not have them backward.

Keep up the good work, CC, but please be careful. We worry about you.

A LOT.

ref
7th January 2008, 02:24 AM
That was funny, nice find :rolleyes:

I wonder how much "thermite" is at my bank office? I just touched a check!

ETA: Wasn't there some study which suggested, that laser printers are as big a health risk as smoking. They release some particles. I haven't looked into that any further, though.

ETA ETA: Here: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/78455.php

Crazy Chainsaw
7th January 2008, 10:17 AM
Do you think that would have been a possibillity?

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5786785-description.html

Horatius
7th January 2008, 10:24 AM
Do you think that would have been a possibillity?

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5786785-description.html



Thanks for that link. I might be able to use it in my actual work this week!


Of course, you're finding so many uses for the fly ash microspheres, I can hear the twoofers now: "There weren't enough microspheres in the dust! Where did they all go?!?!"

;)

Drudgewire
7th January 2008, 10:31 AM
:dl:


Oops, sorry.

Myron Proudfoot
7th January 2008, 10:53 AM
so the NWO goons snuck in and replaced the laser printer paper with inkjet paper and when all those printers were used at once, BAMMO!!

makes more sense than space-based death rays!

BigAl
9th January 2008, 01:37 PM
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5356712.html

1. Magnetite particles ... diameter)/(minimum diameter)=1.00-1.1.

Printing toner. :D

Sorry, but I can't see MICR toner in use in any large quantity at WTC. I'd like to see some case made that it was.

I managed computer facilities at MHT/Chemical bank for 17 years up to 1993 in back office ops as well as branch and subsidiary ops. I only saw MICR ink in one operation and that was desktop printing. Maybe they went through a couple cartridges a year.

In the last couple years I was the specialist , bank-wide in the technical side of communication to commercial customers (IOW, businesses medium and big and our banking peers). IMO, MICR toner and blank check paper would be a security PITA for the department that used it.

Crazy Chainsaw
9th January 2008, 02:59 PM
Sorry, but I can't see MICR toner in use in any large quantity at WTC. I'd like to see some case made that it was.

I managed computer facilities at MHT/Chemical bank for 17 years up to 1993 in back office ops as well as branch and subsidiary ops. I only saw MICR ink in one operation and that was desktop printing. Maybe they went through a couple cartridges a year.

In the last couple years I was the specialist , bank-wide in the technical side of communication to commercial customers (IOW, businesses medium and big and our banking peers). IMO, MICR toner and blank check paper would be a security PITA for the department that used it.

Did they store any bank documents at the world trade center?

You know any printed bank document at all?

T.A.M.
9th January 2008, 03:02 PM
Has Jones even released the frequency (a percentage or something) of the spheres within the dust samples?

TAM:)

ElMondoHummus
9th January 2008, 03:58 PM
It even leaves a metalic taste in my mouth sometimes when I inhale it.



Just to be clear, you're not inhaling that on purpose, are you?

I mean, if you are, that's okay. That's all right. You can get help for that...

:D