Truther Poll Results are In!

[Gravy]

An ex-truther who lurks here (I encouraged him to register) sent me the poll results. Ex-truthers rock!

The big surprise is that 177 people replied. I wouldn't have guessed they'd have 1/5 that response.

Interestingly, while 31% said they thought the truth movement was growing (question 51), only 9% said they expected to be more involved with it in the future, and 53% said they expected to be less involved or are no longer involved (question 45). Not exactly the sign of a growing movement!

2007 Truth Movement Poll (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/2007truthmovementpoll)

What are the most surprising results to you?

[AZCat]

An ex-truther who lurks here (I encouraged him to register) sent me the poll results. Ex-truthers rock!

The big surprise is that 177 people replied. I wouldn't have guessed they'd have 1/5 that response.

Interestingly, while 31% said they though the truth movement was growing (question 51), only 9% said they expected to be more involved with it in the future, and 53% said they expected to be less involved or are no longer involved (question 45). Not exactly the sign of a growing movement!

2007 Truth Movement Poll (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/2007truthmovementpoll)

What are the most surprising results to you?

Fascinating - thanks for posting this. How difficult do you think it would be to get a control group of a similar size to respond?




On Edit: There is a typo in the answers for question #55. Answer 1 - Yes has a score of 331%. I assume you mean 31% and just made a typo?

[Gravy]

Fascinating - thanks for posting this. How difficult do you think it would be to get a control group of a similar size to respond?It says the poll was sent to 545 people, but that answers were also received from forwarded emails, so we don't know how many people in total received the poll. Still, a 20% direct reply rate is impressive, for such a paranoid bunch and such a long poll.

On Edit: There is a typo in the answers for question #55. Answer 1 - Yes has a score of 331%. I assume you mean 31% and just made a typo?I didn't edit the email I received, but I'll make a note about that error.

[Gravy]

These are two of my favorites:

69. How much of the 9/11 commission report have you read?
1) All of it 10%
2) Most of it 22%
3) About half 30%
4) Bits and pieces 30%
5) None 1%

70. How much of the NIST report on the towers have you read?
1) All of it 1%
2) Most of it 4%
3) About half 7%
4) Bits and pieces 82%
5) None 8%

[Hokulele]

I like the fact that of their list of proposed people to front the truth movement, Rosie O'Donnell was their second choice.


(Moment of schadenfreude for some of the self-proclaimed "leaders".)

[JimBenArm]

Hokulele, I love what you've done with your hair!

[AZCat]

It says the poll was sent to 545 people, but that answers were also received from forwarded emails, so we don't know how many people in total received the poll. Still, a 20% direct reply rate is impressive, for such a paranoid bunch and such a long poll.

Ahhh, I read too fast and missed that. That is a significant reply rate - about 2-4 times what I would expect. I still think it would be interesting to get a similar-sized control group for at least the non-September 11th questions so we could get a feel for how the truther community compares to the overall population.


I didn't edit the email I received, but I'll make a note about that error.

Fair enough - it's not your mistake. <sigh> And yet again I miss out on winning a Gravy error no-prize! :(

[David Wong]

86% male. Not sure what that means but it feels important.

Also, I believe a lot of them lied about their age.

[Hokulele]

Hokulele, I love what you've done with your hair!


You stinker. You were asking about people to make fun of earlier, no?

But who will I make fun of? You guys aren't any fun, with your logic and stuff that makes sense. Plus, NWO Kitty threatened to shoot me if I pranked him again!

[JimBenArm]

You stinker. You were asking about people to make fun of earlier, no?
Yeah? And your point is...?:wackytwitcy:

[Blender Head]

52. Please write P for "Post" or R for "Read only" to describe your participation in these 9/11 related internet forums. This is meant to show regular participation. If you don't know of a forum or don't read it, leave it blank.

1) Randi Rhodes forum P-3% R-9%
2) Democratic Underground P-2% R-4%
3) Loose Change Forum P-3% R-5%
4) Above Top Secret P-5% R-9%
5) 9/11 Blogger P-7% R-11%
6) JREF P-5% R-8%
7) PrisonPlanet forum P-2% R-4%
8) Pilots for Truth Forum P-1% R-3%
9) Architects & Engineers for Truth forum P-4% R-7%
10) Jack Blood forum P-1% R-2%
11) 9/11 Truth Movement Forums (Killtown) P-1% R-2%
12) nineeleven.co.uk forum P-1% R-3%"

JREF has more people reading it than most Truthers sites.

[Gravy]

10% think Fox News is moderately accurate and 2% think it's highly accurate? (28.) I wonder if they understood the question.

[The Doc]

5) The invasion of Iraq was illegal 75%
6) The invasion of Iraq was immoral 70%

So does that mean that 5% think that what they consider to be an "illegal" war was moral?

[DGM]

53. How do you prefer that 9/11 forums be moderated? (Choose all that you want to apply)

1) No moderation except obvious spam, porn, etc. 3%
2) Same as above, but also moderate rudeness, personal attacks, pointless bickering 7%
3) Obvious trolls and troublemakers should be banned, otherwise allow all debate 10%
4) Restrict "controversial" topics such as no planes, Israeli involvement, etc. to separate areas 17%
5) Restrict OT supporters to a separate debate area 14%
6) Restrict debate to certain topics 23%
7) No OT supporters allowed 26%

This is interesting, they seem reluctant to defend their theories. Who knew.:rolleyes:

[Gravy]

JREF has more people reading it than most Truthers sites.I really wish the pollster had reported how many people answered each question.

[The Doc]

These are two of my favorites:

69. How much of the 9/11 commission report have you read?
1) All of it 10%
2) Most of it 22%
3) About half 30%
4) Bits and pieces 30%
5) None 1%

70. How much of the NIST report on the towers have you read?
1) All of it 1%
2) Most of it 4%
3) About half 7%
4) Bits and pieces 82%
5) None 8%

I would almost bet all my possessions that the "bits and pieces" are the misquoted, context-lacking single sentences and paragraphs that show up on conspiracist presentations and publications.

[Gravy]

So does that mean that 5% think that what they consider to be an "illegal" war was moral?Ha! The poll should have included links to definitions for difficult words like that.

[Hokulele]

Yeah? And your point is...?:wackytwitcy:


Point?

[Garb]

53. How do you prefer that 9/11 forums be moderated? (Choose all that you want to apply)

1) No moderation except obvious spam, porn, etc. 3%
2) Same as above, but also moderate rudeness, personal attacks, pointless bickering 7%
3) Obvious trolls and troublemakers should be banned, otherwise allow all debate 10%
4) Restrict "controversial" topics such as no planes, Israeli involvement, etc. to separate areas 17%
5) Restrict OT supporters to a separate debate area 14%
6) Restrict debate to certain topics 23%
7) No OT supporters allowed 26%


I think they are already there.

[The Doc]

61. Which of the above videos that you've seen would you be least likely to recommend to others?
Top choice: The Pentacon, 29%I got a decent laugh out of that. :)

ETA:
I'm sure we could find some nice contradictions coming from question 65.

[PhantomWolf]

Quite interesting indeed. Quite the insite into the Truther's world really. Funny that often our impressions of who the truthers are actually stacks up in reality (mostly left wing or liberterian politically based males with only graduate level education and below 25 years old.)

[jaydeehess]

32. U.S./Canada residents,are you politically

1) Far left of center (very liberal) 26%
2) Somewhat left of center 21%
3) Middle-of-the-road 7%
4) Somewhat right of center 5%
5) Far right of center (very conservative) 8%
7) Libertarian 27%
8) Anarchist 4%
9) Socialist 2%
10) Not political at all
Other:

These distinctions themselves mean different things in Canada than they do in the States. What would be considered "middle of the road" in Canada would in all likihood be considered quite liberal in the USA.

[Blender Head]

I really wish the pollster had reported how many people answered each question.

Yeah, that'd be an interesting statistic to mull over.

[JimBenArm]

Point?
Oh, look, it's Halley's Comet!

[Björn Toulouse]

I like the fact that of their list of proposed people to front the truth movement, Rosie O'Donnell was their second choice.



With 26%.

Heck, DA only got 1%. Out of 177 responding, what is that? One to two votes? After all of his efforts, he should feel very slighted to get hip-checked out by Rosie.

[LashL]

86% male. Not sure what that means but it feels important.

Also, I believe a lot of them lied about their age.

I suspect that a lot of them lied about their education levels, as well.

[LashL]

I found these results to be interesting:

47. If you answered No to the question above [which was whether or not there is a twoofer group that meets regularly within easy travelling distance of the respondent's location], would you attend TM meetings if it was convenient for you?
1) Yes 29%
2) No 71%


52. Please write P for "Post" or R for "Read only" to describe your participation in these 9/11 related internet forums. This is meant to show regular participation. If you don't know of a forum or don't read it, leave it blank.

1) Randi Rhodes forum P-3% R-9%
2) Democratic Underground P-2% R-4%
3) Loose Change Forum P-3% R-5%
4) Above Top Secret P-5% R-9%
5) 9/11 Blogger P-7% R-11%
6) JREF P-5% R-8%7) PrisonPlanet forum P-2% R-4%
8) Pilots for Truth Forum P-1% R-3%
9) Architects & Engineers for Truth forum P-4% R-7%
10) Jack Blood forum P-1% R-2%
11) 9/11 Truth Movement Forums (Killtown) P-1% R-2%
12) nineeleven.co.uk forum P-1% R-3%


More twoofer respondents post here regularly than at all but one of the twoofer forums listed (and tied with one other twoofer forum) ?

Very strange, that.


ETA: Oops. I see now that Blender Head beat me to the latter question I cited above.

[Hokulele]

Oh, look, it's Halley's Comet!


Hyakutake was more impressive.

[Brainster]

The ages somewhat surprised me; it often seems like the vast majority of Troofers are teenagers and seniors. I would not have guessed 26% between 26 and 35. Also seems skewed to the far left, note that the most trusted sources are Air America Radio, Democracy Now! and Alternet, while the least trusted are Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin and Bill O'Reilly. Very surprised to see Talkleft highly rated though; although I'm a conservative I respect Jeralyn and don't think that site has every pushed any of the Troofer Points.

Also, #77--No plane at the Pentagon ranks higher as damaging the movement than no planes at the WTC.

[JimBenArm]

Hyakutake was more impressive.
Only on your planet!

[Hokulele]

Only on your planet!


I suppose any state that hosts both the Chiefs and the Royals could be considered a separate planet.

[JimBenArm]

I suppose any state that hosts both the Chiefs and the Royals could be considered a separate planet.
Yeah, and on my planet, they win the World Series and Super Bowl every year! Although it's weird seeing the Royals in football helmets...

[CHF]

86% male. Not sure what that means but it feels important.

It certainly is. Single males looking to belong to something important to boost their self-esteem.

[beachnut]

darn triple post...
, good work Mark being the top alpha hotel...

[beachnut]

Good work again Mark, I better take my triple return error and say again Sierra Hotel on your first place finish in 72.

[beachnut]

65. Which of these theories do you think ARE strongly supported by evidence

Only 3 or 4 close to 50 percent; does this mean 9/11 truth is less than half baked ideas?

[Hokulele]

Although it's weird seeing the Royals in football helmets...


If you think that's weird, try visualizing them in batting helmets!

[JimBenArm]

If you think that's weird, try visualizing them in batting helmets!
That's just crazy talk!

[Hokulele]

That's just crazy talk!


Rather like that disseminated by the respondents to the poll in the OP?


(Yay! Rerail for the win! :woo)

[Horatius]

These distinctions themselves mean different things in Canada than they do in the States. What would be considered "middle of the road" in Canada would in all likihood be considered quite liberal in the USA.



You said it. The most conservative Canadian politicians would be denounced as raving commies in the States, just for supporting universal health care.


I found this question interesting:


19. Have you ever uploaded video to Youtube, Googlevideo, or other video hosting sites?
1) No 80%
2) Yes – video I made 6%
3) Yes– video others made 14%



Once again showing that the twoofers are incredibly passive for a "revolutionary movement". Only 6% can be motivated to even create a video (assuming they told the truth, which we know isn't very likely for this crowd), and more than twice that just post others' work. 80% don't even do that much!

[LashL]

76. Of the people who have spoken out, who do you think would be the best spokesperson for 9/11 Truth?


Kevin Ryan 0%






Hee hee.

[Horatius]

This series is interesting:

4. How do you get your news? Please rank most to least used.
1) Internet – random browsing 13%
2) Internet – check specific mainstream news sites daily/often 41%
3) Internet – blogs and alternative news sources 37%
4) Internet – news aggregator/newsfeed services 9%

25. Same question: How do you get your news? Rank most to least used.
1) Television 43%
2) Radio – broadcast 15%
3) Radio – Internet-based 28%
4) Print media (newspapers, magazines, etc.) 14%

...

27. How much faith do you have that the U.S. mainstream media is reporting the most important stories, and reporting them accurately?
1) Much faith 0%
2) They get most of the big stories mostly right 0%
3) It's hit and miss 13%
4) They get most of the big stories mostly wrong 23%
5) Zero faith 64%


A large majority have no faith, with everybody else indicating not much faith, in mainstream media, but TV and mainstream internet news sites are the most often used news sources.....


And this:

35. For all: do you think the next U.S. presidential election will bring

1) More of the same. Until the de-facto two-party system goes away, the choice will be limited to the lesser of two evils 18%
2) A great improvement 55%
3) A mild improvement 25%
4) Things will get worse 2%

...

37. When you think about the future of the United States, are you

1) Optimistic 18%
2) Pessimistic 49%
3) Undecided 33%



They predominantly feel the upcoming US election will be some sort of improvement, but are still largely pessimistic about the future of the US.....huh?

[Gravy]

The ages somewhat surprised me; it often seems like the vast majority of Troofers are teenagers and seniors. I would not have guessed 26% between 26 and 35. I would have been surprised by that a year ago, but in almost every case where I've tried to guess, the truther was older than I had thought. Sadly.

Also seems skewed to the far left, note that the most trusted sources are Air America Radio, Democracy Now! and Alternet, while the least trusted are Little Green Footballs, Michelle Malkin and Bill O'Reilly. Very surprised to see Talkleft highly rated though; although I'm a conservative I respect Jeralyn and don't think that site has every pushed any of the Troofer Points.I don't find those results surprising (don't know much about Talkleft). Have you ever heard a truther say a positive word about LGF, Malkin, and O'Reilly, all of whom have skewered truthers?

Also, #77--No plane at the Pentagon ranks higher as damaging the movement than no planes at the WTC.Yes, the no-planers all around get squashed, as does the Pentacon (least likely DVD to be recommended). And although 82% of people had seen Loose Change 2 (I expected that to be higher), the claims in it – and Avery – don't fare well in the poll.

[Horatius]

Oh my:

65. Which of these theories do you think ARE strongly supported by evidence (check all that apply)

...

15) CD of WTC7 42%
..

31) Pakistan ISI partially funded the hijackers 59%
...


The two most popular theories....

Even the Pakistani link, which is probably the only CT they've ever come up with that might have any basis in reality, still only gets 59%. Most other theories seemed to be below about 20%. At least in an anonymous survey, they can admit they don't have much evidence.

[BenBurch]

Stick a fork in it. Its done.

We need to find something else to debunk.

[Horatius]

And in the "Well, we knew that...." category:

68. If you believed you had new, conclusive evidence of an inside job, how would you present it (check all that apply)
1) On the internet 57%
2) To a prosecutor or police 12%
3) To the press 30%
4) Other: 2% Radio/TV show

[FramerDave]

I like the fact that of their list of proposed people to front the truth movement, Rosie O'Donnell was their second choice.


(Moment of schadenfreude for some of the self-proclaimed "leaders".)

Just a very short threadjack:

Hokulele, could we please see that picture of SB in your avatar with gold paint around the mouth? Pretty please?

[Gravy]

And in the "Well, we knew that...." category:That's a great question with the "check all that apply" option. Why would someone not present their evidence in all those venues?

[Hokulele]

Just a very short threadjack:

Hokulele, could we please see that picture of SB in your avatar with gold paint around the mouth? Pretty please?


As much as I would love to oblige you, my current avatar is a badge of shame I am forced to wear until Thursday due to a rash bet in the Sports forum. My next one will be just as bad. I will not be looking like my normal self until the end of the month. *Sigh*

If you would like to see that change, PM Tricky as he is the one in charge of my appearance this week.

[CHF]

42. When did this awareness (of 9/11 truth) happen?
1) 2001 7%
2) 2002 8%
3) 2003 10%
4) 2004 10%
5) 2005 26%
6) 2006 33%
7) 2007 6%

Quite the momentum they've got there

:dl:

[AZCat]

That's a great question with the "check all that apply" option. Why would someone not present their evidence in all those venues?

Look at who is answering the poll. Do you think they would trust revelations coming from any of those sources other than the internet? If Patrick Fitzgerald claimed he had evidence pointing to an inside job, half the "truth movement" would call him disinfo because he wouldn't be supporting their particular pet "theory".

[AZCat]

I will not be looking like my normal self until the end of the month.

Not to insult your usual choices of avatars, but I wasn't aware there was a normal Hokulele one.

[Hokulele]

Not to insult your usual choices of avatars, but I wasn't aware there was a normal Hokulele one.


Yeah well, my unfortunate fondness for the underdog usually does me in. :(

I assume you were referring to the boudin.

[AZCat]

Yeah well, my unfortunate fondness for the underdog usually does me in. :(

I assume you were referring to the boudin.

That would indeed be my reference. It has a certain savage quality that might make fainter hearts quail.

[realitybites]

35. For all: do you think the next U.S. presidential election will bring

1) More of the same. Until the de-facto two-party system goes away, the choice will be limited to the lesser of two evils 18%
2) A great improvement 55%
3) A mild improvement 25%
4) Things will get worse 2%


Part of me can't help but think this speaks to the general Bush-hating mentality that's a tad rampant in their ranks.

[Hokulele]

Part of me can't help but think this speaks to the general Bush-hating mentality that's a tad rampant in their ranks.


And part of me can't help but think that the 55% are assuming that there will be a great improvement when Ron Paul sweeps the electoral college. :rolleyes:

[realitybites]

And part of me can't help but think that the 55% are assuming that there will be a great improvement when Ron Paul sweeps the electoral college. :rolleyes:


Funny you should say that. I just read this over on LCF talking about Anderson Cooper:

All they are doing is talking about Giuliani, but EVERY SINGLE SIGN is Ron Paul. I'm sorry, I know this should be in Ron Paul 2008, but I want EVERYONE to watch this! It's giving me butterflies!

.... butterflies.

[BenBurch]

Part of me can't help but think this speaks to the general Bush-hating mentality that's a tad rampant in their ranks.

Except the change they think they will get is Ron Paul.

[AZCat]

Except the change they think they will get is Ron Paul.

And I don't think that would be the change they think it would.

[Shrinker]

Percentage of Truthers who post here regularly: 5%
Percentage of Truthers who bought Loose Change 2nd Attempt: 5%

So total sales equals, what, 30 copies?

[jaydeehess]

That's a great question with the "check all that apply" option. Why would someone not present their evidence in all those venues?

The problem is in the choices. there is no "All of the above", or various combinations of the choices.

Additionally, the other two choices require either special access (TV/radio) or some legal knowledge (police/prosecutor).

That skews the results. There is the distinct possibility that those who said "the press' also said "the internet".

Given that the poll was sent out via e-mail it is not unusual that "internet" was the favorite since you have already assured that everyone responding already uses the internet regularily.

[Gravy]

The problem is in the choices. there is no "All of the above", or various combinations of the choices.

Additionally, the other two choices require either special access (TV/radio) or some legal knowledge (police/prosecutor).

That skews the results. There is the distinct possibility that those who said "the press' also said "the internet".

Given that the poll was sent out via e-mail it is not unusual that "internet" was the favorite since you have already assured that everyone responding already uses the internet regularily.Well, I think it shows a lack of commitment to getting things done. If I actually thought I had such earth-shaking evidence, I'd do my damnest to bring it to everyone possible. I wouldn't just stick it on the internet and wait to see what happened.

[Tbone]

28. Next to each of these sources, please write H for high, M for medium, or L for low, according to how much you trust its accuracy. This question isn't about the type of stories they cover as much as how accurate they are about what they do cover. If you're not familiar with a source or don't have an opinion about it, leave it blank.

4) CNN 13, 46, 41
20) Prisonplanet/Infowars 14, 18, 68
21) Rense.com 11, 19, 70

Look at how low those scores are compared to CNN. Isn't the US mainstream media supposed reporting inaccurate information?

*Looks up one question*

27. How much faith do you have that the U.S. mainstream media is reporting the most important stories, and reporting them accurately?
1) Much faith 0%
2) They get most of the big stories mostly right 0%
3) It's hit and miss 13%
4) They get most of the big stories mostly wrong 23%
5) Zero faith 64%

That makes a whole lot of sense.