[Merged]Do Ron Paul Truthers realize they're probably hurting his chances?

[1337m4n]

Inspired by this thread. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=102984)

So here we've got these guys who think Ron Paul is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and that when he gets into office he'll expose 9/11 and destroy the evil NWO. For them, getting this magic man into office ought to be top priority.

These same people then go to election rallies and political events, publicly and very vocally declaring their support for Ron Paul, all the while spewing truckloads of woo about thermite and NORAD and the FDNY pulling WTC7 and how the passengers on the flights never existed. They do their best to shove this down everyone's throats, yelling and screaming and taking up all the airtime during questioning periods.

Now, the average American voter is watching all this. And he's probably thinking to himself, "Dang, Ron Paul's supporters sure are nuts. I wonder what that says about Ron Paul himself". And so they associate Ron Paul with his loud, wild, nutty Truther supporters.

Naturally, such a person would probably be repulsed and be LESS likely to vote for Paul as a result of that experience. And so the Truthers end up hurting their own cause with their antics.

Do you think, deep down, they realize this? Do you think the Truthers understand that all they're doing is hurting Ron Paul's campaign (as if he wasn't already doing poorly enough)?

I mean, at some level, they must realize they're not being all that helpful. Because whenever somebody points out to them that Paul opposes 9/11 "Truth", they excuse it by saying "Oh, he's just saying that to keep his campaign alive". Such a statement implies that they are aware that it would be harmful for Paul to associate himself with the Truth Movement. Yet the Truthers insist on associating themselves with Ron Paul--against everyone's best interests?

It doesn't make any sense at all.

[beachnut]

They do not know they are nuts on 9/11 topics! They think they are correct! If they were smart enough to think 9/11 truth was hurting Ron Paul, they would not be 9/11 truth!?@#$@#$

[TriskettheKid]

My question is:

Do the current and past actions and statements of supporters of Ron Paul hurt his chances more or less than the current and past actions and statements of Ron Paul?

[The Doc]

I would probably agree to an extent. However, I don't think you could really hurt his chances that badly at all, seeing as his chances are practically non-existent.

[OldTigerCub]

They do not know they are nuts on 9/11 topics! They think they are correct! If they were smart enough to think 9/11 truth was hurting Ron Paul, they would not be 9/11 truth!?@#$@#$

The best visual explanation I can think of that comes to mind to explain the Paultard/Twoofer connection:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/19757476a02ac45cdc.jpg

[Caper]

Yeah but if your chances of winning are 0% then truthers reducing that probability is not going to hurt.

[CHF]

I mean, at some level, they must realize they're not being all that helpful. Because whenever somebody points out to them that Paul opposes 9/11 "Truth", they excuse it by saying "Oh, he's just saying that to keep his campaign alive".

Indeed, this is a stunning admission by the twoofers.

Not only does it mean they know they're hurting Ron Paul's chances (and by extention acknowledging what a fringe group the TM is); it also means they're telling everyone he's a lair.

[nicepants]

Indeed, this is a stunning admission by the twoofers.

Not only does it mean they know they're hurting Ron Paul's chances (and by extention acknowledging what a fringe group the TM is); it also means they're telling everyone he's a lair.

Great observation. I've found this interesting as well...when the truthers consider someone a liar, they still assume anything that liar says which agrees with them to be true.

Example: 100 truthers asked Giuliani if he was involved in 911.

Giuliani says "no" 99 times
Truther: he's lying.
Once he misunderstands the question and says "yes".
Truther: SEE!! I TOLD YOU HE WAS INVOLVED!!!

I also have to agree with the Doc....it's hard to hurt someone's chances when they're already 0%.

[1337m4n]

They do not know they are nuts on 9/11 topics! They think they are correct! If they were smart enough to think 9/11 truth was hurting Ron Paul, they would not be 9/11 truth!?@#$@#$

Certainly, they don't believe they are nuts themselves. But perhaps they at least recognize that the average American thinks they're nuts?

(Except for the ones who honestly believe that 80-some-odd percent of the public agrees with them)

[Pardalis]

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A freaking mob of stupid. Chasing down Hannity on the street.

[CptColumbo]

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A freaking mob of stupid. Chasing down Hannity on the street.
Wow, that is scary. I actually feel sorry for Hannity.

[Pardalis]

Multiply this by thousands and you got Nazi Germany.

[timhau]

A freaking mob of stupid. Chasing down Hannity on the street.

Let's just say that I've seen films of analogous behavior, but they were all black and white. And the language wasn't English.

[Tweeter]

LMAO ! Hannity is a tool.

[Drudgewire]

Let's just say that I've seen films of analogous behavior, but they were all black and white. And the language wasn't English.
The irony being they think they have the only candidate that ISN'T leading the country down the road to fascism. :rolleyes:

[CHF]

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A freaking mob of stupid. Chasing down Hannity on the street.

One of these kooks is going to kill someone. It's just a matter of time...

[Drudgewire]

One of these kooks is going to kill someone. It's just a matter of time...
I'm not kidding at all when I say I'm amazed it hasn't happened already.

[1337m4n]

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A freaking mob of stupid. Chasing down Hannity on the street.

The comments on that video are hilarious. Especially the fight near the beginning with the two guys threatening each other, and of course all of the comments saying that Fox News is part of some vast neo-con conspiracy and is responsible for the war.

[BenBurch]

They don't care. They will use anybody and anything to push their Anti-Semite agenda.

[BenBurch]

I'm not kidding at all when I say I'm amazed it hasn't happened already.

Me either, my friend. Especially when you consider that there is a connection between Trutherism and the White Militia Movement.

[Mince]

After Paul's appearance on the Jay Leno Show last night, even Alex Jones has to concede that Ron Paul does not believe 9/11 was an inside job. Now that Uncle Alex has said it, the minions will likely adopt the mentality.

[BenBurch]

After Paul's appearance on the Jay Leno Show last night, even Alex Jones has to concede that Ron Paul does not believe 9/11 was an inside job. Now that Uncle Alex has said it, the minions will likely adopt the mentality.

If Alex Jones made Jonestown Punch, these guys would swill it down.

[CHF]

After Paul's appearance on the Jay Leno Show last night, even Alex Jones has to concede that Ron Paul does not believe 9/11 was an inside job. Now that Uncle Alex has said it, the minions will likely adopt the mentality.

Ouch! That had to hurt.

What did Paul say on Leno that caused it to penetrate the skull of Alex Jones?

[BenBurch]

Here is the video of RP on Jay Leno;

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[Mince]

Ouch! That had to hurt.

What did Paul say on Leno that caused it to penetrate the skull of Alex Jones?


http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-paultrans8jan08,0,3574978,full.story



JAY LENO: Let me ask you something about this

terrorist thing, and clear this up, because you hear

things secondhand. You said that we were to blame?

RON PAUL: No, no, not really.

JAY LENO: Okay.

RON PAUL: Our policies have a lot to do with it. The

people who are to blame are the thugs.

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JAY LENO: You're not talking about 9/11?

RON PAUL: Yeah, I'm talking about 9/11. The thugs

that killed our people, that came over here, they're a

hundred percent to blame. But that's sort of like

saying if somebody gets murdered, the murderer is a

hundred percent responsible. But people always look

for motives. If you're looking for the murderer, you

have to know motives. So we have to look for the

motives of these people who go insane to try to kill

us. And the motives are related to the fact that we

occupy their countries. Even before 9/11, we were

plenty -- a lot involved in the Middle East. That is

very significant. I do not believe for a minute that

they come here only because we're free and prosperous.

That isn't the case. There may be a few, but you

can't motivate a people to do that. So you and I, the

American people, they're not responsible. But some of

our bad policies in the Middle East now for 50, 60

years -- we used our CIA to install the shah in Iran.

If somebody did that to us, we'd be pretty annoyed.

Or if the Chinese had military bases on our land or

said that they came here to protect their oil, the

American people would be pretty outraged. The

Republicans and Democrats would be joined together.

They would be really very annoyed.


Jones was not happy.

[T.A.M.]

Last night on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, The Ron Paul supporters were behind him as he spoke. There were, I would say, about 50-60 signs for Ron Paul...NOT ONE SINGLE 9/11 TRUTH SIGN!!

So either the truthers DO REALIZE they will hurt his chances, or the Ron Paul NON TRUTHER supporters (all 14 of them) got the message, and asked them not to bring their truther signs.

TAM:)

[Drudgewire]

Jones was not happy.
Has he out and out said so yet? I didn't see anything on Prison Planet about it.

Although I did see Howard Stern has now endorsed Ron Paul... making it reason #3,785,219 I would never consider voting for him.

[Mince]

Has he out and out said so yet? I didn't see anything on Prison Planet about it.



Yes. I'm paraphrazing, but Jones said he was disappointed and would have to confront Paul about the issue. Of course, he didn't discuss many details on air.

[Mince]

Wow, that is scary. I actually feel sorry for Hannity.


I just found out that some of the neanderthals were throwing snowballs. I guess they only like freedom of speech rights when they agree with what is said.

[Drudgewire]

Yes. I'm paraphrazing, but Jones said he was disappointed and would have to confront Paul about the issue. Of course, he didn't discuss many details on air.
This is when it gets fun, when he has to confront his kook base and call them kooks. :p

[HereticHulk]

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[HereticHulk]

Wow, that is scary. I actually feel sorry for Hannity.

I do not feel sorry for SH. He is scum! An entertainer posing as a journalist.

This is the equivalent to being tarred and feathered back in day. Sean is at the sh*tty end of the 'Great American' stick! LOL

[CHF]

Yes. I'm paraphrazing, but Jones said he was disappointed and would have to confront Paul about the issue. Of course, he didn't discuss many details on air.

But Jones has had Paul on his show multiple times.

Did he not ask him "hey, do you think 9/11 was a conspiracy?"

[Mince]

But Jones has had Paul on his show multiple times.

Did he not ask him "hey, do you think 9/11 was a conspiracy?"


Not that I've heard. But I'm sure Alex Jones knows Paul doesn't believe it was an inside job, and so, of course, avoids the issue openly. But now it is becoming unavoidable, so when Alex Jones does discuss the issue on air, it is likely damage control.

[CHF]

Not that I've heard. But I'm sure Alex Jones knows Paul doesn't believe it was an inside job, and so, of course, avoids the issue openly. But now it is becoming unavoidable, so when Alex Jones does discuss the issue on air, it is likely damage control.

Are twoofers really dumb enough to accept Jones' dissapointment about this?

Are they really stupid enough to not wonder why Jones never asked his guest about a conspiracy?

Yes, of course they are.

Twoofers are desperate for a candidate - for some reason to carry on. Pretending Ron Paul was on board seems to have sustained them for a while but who will they turn to now?

[Drudgewire]

I do not feel sorry for SH. He is scum! An entertainer posing as a journalist.
Except he doesn't claim to be a journalist, he's a commentator.

[Mince]

Are they really stupid enough to not wonder why Jones never asked his guest about a conspiracy?

Yes, of course they are.


Of course.

I listened to the entire Alex Jones show today. He mentioned nothing about Ron Paul telling Leno that it was "thugs" from "overseas". Not surprising, of course. That is the way Jones operates. Sadly, he dupes a lot of people.

[DGM]

I do not feel sorry for SH. He is scum! An entertainer posing as a journalist.

This is the equivalent to being tarred and feathered back in day. Sean is at the sh*tty end of the 'Great American' stick! LOL
I'm curious, Do you feel this behavior helps your cause? Do you think the average voter sees this as acceptable behavior?

[T.A.M.]

I do not feel sorry for SH. He is scum! An entertainer posing as a journalist.

This is the equivalent to being tarred and feathered back in day. Sean is at the sh*tty end of the 'Great American' stick! LOL

You think Sean Hannity is scum, I think Ron Paul is a gnomish idealist who caters to CT nuts, oh well that life...thats opinion.

I don't think Hannity actually gives a **** about being chased by a few moron Ron Paul nuts.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Jones never asks people he thinks he can use to sway, a direct question that might backfire...he is if nothing more, cunning and devious.

It would hurt AJ's "movement" more if he asked RP the question on his show, and RP said "No, I do not think elements of our government helped carry out the 9/11 attacks", then to ask questions that can be construed and exaggerated into what most mental morons will accept as the same thing.

TAM:)

[CHF]

It would hurt AJ's "movement" more if he asked RP the question on his show, and RP said "No, I do not think elements of our government helped carry out the 9/11 attacks", then to ask questions that can be construed and exaggerated into what most mental morons will accept as the same thing.

Yeah, that's pretty much how he does it.

If Jones and Paul agree on, say, the constitution, then twoofers will take that to mean that Paul must also think the WTC was blown up with bombs and thermite, even though Jones make no effort to ask him directly.

You'd think "truthseekers" would be able to spot something like that.

In fact, they treat Ron Paul much the same way they treat 9/11 witnesses. If someone heard an "explosion" then that means it was a bomb, even if the witness doesn't think so and twoofers make no effort to clarify the situation.

[abenja1]

You ever notice how truthers when they are pressed about questions they will whine harassment. Yet they have no problem stalking and harassing Hannity. I'm no fan of his, but the man should be able to walk down the street without a problem. Imagine if he was with his family.

[BenBurch]

You ever notice how truthers when they are pressed about questions they will whine harassment. Yet they have no problem stalking and harassing Hannity. I'm no fan of his, but the man should be able to walk down the street without a problem. Imagine if he was with his family.

Oh, I have one on another board with some checklist derived from Wikipedia of the characteristics of psuedoskepticism. And of course anything a debunker would do is on that list.

[Pardalis]

Another Wearechange video:

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Again, Luke Rudkowski asks him what he thinks about the 9/11 Commission, and again RP doesn't talk in no way about an inside job conspiracy, just the government's ineptness. but as always, that's good enough for our dim-witted revolutionaries and the video is posted on their site as though by him saying he supports an new investigation that makes him "one of them".

Get a freaking clue Luke already.

[dudalb]

You ever notice how truthers when they are pressed about questions they will whine harassment. Yet they have no problem stalking and harassing Hannity. I'm no fan of his, but the man should be able to walk down the street without a problem. Imagine if he was with his family.

I can't stand Hannity,but the Twoofers were freaking insane.
And one of our resident Twoofers..whosing naming himself after a comic book character two of whose traits are mindless rage and an inbility to reason is just too freaking appropriate...thinks such behavior is great and defends it.

But it really does not matter,New Hampshire and a fifth place showing has burst the Paul bubble.

[FM21.105]

Wow, did RP admit in the video that he believes "they" are plotting a NAU?

[leftysergeant]

Just having thrown the snowballs at Hannity would, under the circumstances, be a criminal act. Acting with intent to cause pain or injury is assault. They should, if identifiable, by arrested and charged thus, perhaps with a federal charge of violating Hannity's 1st Ammendment rights.

(Not that I think Hannity really gives a rat's about anyone else's 1st Ammendment rights, after hearing him twist the words of others or changing the subject in mid-interview to some absurd arguement (Do you want to lose this war or what?))

The only good thing about this incident is that it happened to someone awful. Next time, it could be a candidate for office.

But the twoofers and Paulbots both share the belief that they are right and that rude or threatening behavior are justified.

Erm...that makes them sociopaths, right?

A trait they share with the Sturmabteilung.

[dudalb]

Apparently...I have not seen it yet so cannot say for sure....Paul had a meltdown in an interview with Wolf BLitzer on the White Supremists issue.

Not that I think Hannity really gives a rat's about anyone else's 1st Ammendment rights, after hearing him twist the words of others or changing the subject in mid-interview to some absurd arguement (Do you want to lose this war or what?

That's a cheap disgusting tactic,and one of the reason I do not watch Hannity,but it's hardly a First Amendment issue. Hannity can say what he wants on his show,and I don't have much sympahty for a guest on his show who does not what to expect from Hannity by now.

[BenBurch]

Wow, did RP admit in the video that he believes "they" are plotting a NAU?

NAU??? What is that an acronym for?

[Brainster]

NAU??? What is that an acronym for?

North American Union. It's a conspiracy theory for conservative nutbars that says George Bush has a secret plan to unite Canada, Mexico and the United States into one country. And (just like with the 9-11 fruitcakes and PNAC), the New World Order was stupid enough to reveal it in a document posted on the web.

[FM21.105]

Its the Conspiracy nut's way of saying "North American Union"

[Father Dagon]

These twoofers reminds me of the cosplay nazis in National Socialist Movement (http://www.nsm88.org). Jedem sein Cancer...

And is there any discord in the twoofer movement about Paul? Does any of them think that he is the worst thing since unsliced bread?

[RKOwens4]

Anyone watching the Republican debate on Fox News? Ron Paul twice refused to ask 9/11 twoofers to stop endorsing him solely on the grounds of the ideas of the 9/11 truth movement? WTF? He says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories, but he's happy to have his biggest (and only) supporters be 9/11 twoofers.

[defaultdotxbe]

his biggest (and only) supporters be 9/11 twoofers.
that says it all right there

[Blender Head]

No surprise here, that's his base!

[eromitlab]

He can't chase away any base of supporters he has; otherwise he has no one left.

[JamesB]

I saw that. He did say that he did not endorse their views. Just a few minutes later he started suggesting that there would be a "Gulf of Tonkin" fake even with Iran though.

He is consistent on this issue though, he doesn't care who supports him or uses his name, he feigns ignorance. Heck David Duke endorsed him this morning, even Alex Jones looks better than him as a supporter.

[Brainster]

Check out this post (http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=764) on a pro-Ron Paul blog, where they catch something suspicious in Rudy Giuliani's vote percentages in a couple of towns:

According to this stat: http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php

Campton - 604 votes
VOTE COUNT METHOD: Hand Counted Paper Ballots
- Giuliani = 55 votes = 9.11%

Hampton - 3,141 votes
VOTE COUNT METHOD: Diebold Accuvote optical scan ; contractor: LHS Associates/John Silvestro
- Giuliani = 286 votes = 9.11%

Sandwich - 395 votes
VOTE COUNT METHOD: Hand Counted Paper Ballots
- Giuliani = 36 votes = 9.11%

Check out the comments on that thread as well.

[sivazh]

Countdown to twoofers claiming Ron Paul is in on it in 3....2....1....

[defaultdotxbe]

Countdown to twoofers claiming Ron Paul is in on it in 3....2....1....
wont happen until hes elected and doesnt live up to their expectations

theyve already stated he cant go on record supporting them if he hopes to win a general election (despite 84% believing an inside job, lol) but if hes elected he will change his stance and blow the lid off it

[Drudgewire]

McCain won the debate without ever saying a word, just by getting the audience to laugh hysterically at the "wtf" look he gave Paul. :D

[Tweeter]

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories!!!
You would think all the debunkers/anti-truthers would love him.
Explain why the majority here at jref are against this man.

[Drudgewire]

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories!!!
You would think all the debunkers/anti-truthers would love him.
Explain why the majority here at jref are against this man.
Be... cause we're not stupid? v:)v

[Tweeter]

Great answer!
Just what i assumed.

[HereticHulk]

Anyone watching the Republican debate on Fox News? Ron Paul twice refused to ask 9/11 twoofers to stop endorsing him solely on the grounds of the ideas of the 9/11 truth movement? WTF? He says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories, but he's happy to have his biggest (and only) supporters be 9/11 twoofers.

Did we watch the same debate on Fux news tonight?

:bs:

Besides the absurdity of your take on this and the absurdity of the question posed to the good Doctor.... Oy vey!

How high is 9.11 CT on American peoples list of things they are concerned with? Shame on Fux News!

BOOOO!

[Corsair 115]

All someone's got to do is post a transcript of the debate.

[leftysergeant]

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories!!!
You would think all the debunkers/anti-truthers would love him.
Explain why the majority here at jref are against this man.

It has to do with his apparent IQ, lack of integrity, lack of revulsion with white nationalist mutts, inability to grasp that evolution makes more sense in view of the scientific evidence than does creationism and his belief that corporations are still going to pay working people a decent wage without government looking over their shoulders...

You know, just for being an ignorant jerk.

[HereticHulk]

It has to do with his apparent IQ, lack of integrity, lack of revulsion with white nationalist mutts, inability to grasp that evolution makes more sense in view of the scientific evidence than does creationism and his belief that corporations are still going to pay working people a decent wage without government looking over their shoulders...

You know, just for being an ignorant jerk.

Your killing me! :dl:

[eromitlab]

I haven't seen one. All the tr00th nuts on reddit are also Ron Paul supporters... all of them.

[TC329]

Anyone watching the Republican debate on Fox News? Ron Paul twice refused to ask 9/11 twoofers to stop endorsing him solely on the grounds of the ideas of the 9/11 truth movement? WTF? He says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories, but he's happy to have his biggest (and only) supporters be 9/11 twoofers.

"Freedom Lovers" always want someone to tell other people exercising their freedoms to stop it. Got to love the orwellianness of it all.

[leftysergeant]

You don't by any chance call the goons chasing whacky old Hannity down the street and throwing stuff at him "freedom lovers," do you?

Looks like he is already building his Sturmabteilung.

He scares me just a bit.

[HereticHulk]

You don't by any chance call the goons chasing whacky old Hannity down the street and throwing stuff at him "freedom lovers," do you?

Looks like he is already building his Sturmabteilung.

He scares me just a bit.

Even you have to admit Sean H is a corporate puppet/political hack/entertainer who has run his course.

Besides, they were not chasing him. Nobody was running, it was a Power Walk executed by SH.

Why would Hannity feel the need to or (in your opinion)be perceived as running away? If he hasn't wronged somebody he should have nothing to worry about. Right?

[HereticHulk]

Do Mormons realize that they are hurting Mitt's chances too?

Both cults right? :deconfus:

[quixotecoyote]

Do Mormons realize that they are hurting Mitt's chances too?

Both cults right? :deconfus:


Last I checked, mormons weren't capaigning for Ron Paul as mormons

Here's something amusing on that note.

first google result for mormons for ron paul: http://mormonsforronpaul.com/

first google result for mormons for romney:http://mormonsagainstromney.blogspot.com/

[funk de fino]

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories!!!
You would think all the debunkers/anti-truthers would love him.
Explain why the majority here at jref are against this man.

The majority dont care because a lot of them are not American

[Jonnyclueless]

I thought if I vote for Ron Paul all my wildest dreams will come true.

[Christopher7]

It has to do with his apparent IQ, lack of integrity, lack of revulsion with white nationalist mutts, inability to grasp that evolution makes more sense in view of the scientific evidence than does creationism and his belief that corporations are still going to pay working people a decent wage without government looking over their shoulders...

You know, just for being an ignorant jerk.I feel more at home here than i do at LC or Pilots For 911 Truth on this issue.

I cannot figure out how they can support a 2 faced SOS who calls their theories "preposterous" and "bizarre".

I am relentlessly attacked by roxdog [how appropriate] for promoting the call to impeach Cheney.

I feel life i have stepped into the Twilight Zone.

[leftysergeant]

RP's association, whether he wishes it or not, with WeAreChange should be a clue that he is not fit to serve.

And the WeAreChange morons did throw snowballs at Hannity. Whether Hannity is a decent citizen or a child molestor, that is illegal.

WAC are terrorists.

95% of the terrorists from whom I have heard any opinion will vote for RP, given the chance.

So far, their terrorism is minor stuff, but that kind of sociopath can get out of hand. I do hope the Secret Service wises up and starts keeping them away from the candidates. Stalkers are always a nuisance, and in the case of anti-government whackadoodles, they can be dangerous.

Are you really comfortable with the idea that sociopaths can get this close to the widfe of a candidate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zhZof7JPks

[leftysergeant]

I feel more at home here than i do at LC or Pilots For 911 Truth on this issue.

I cannot figure out how they can support a 2 faced SOS who calls their theories "preposterous" and "bizarre".

I am relentlessly attacked by roxdog [how appropriate] for promoting the call to impeach Cheney.

I feel life i have stepped into the Twilight Zone.

I had several run-ins with roxdog myself on the Mike Malloy board when he was on AAR.

Kind of makes you want to stock up on silver bullets, holy water and garlic. Hard to believe a critter like that is fully human.

[defaultdotxbe]

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories!!!
You would think all the debunkers/anti-truthers would love him.
Explain why the majority here at jref are against this man.
maybe because we base decisions like this on more than just "he doesnt like the people we dont like"

[leftysergeant]

maybe because we base decisions like this on more than just "he doesnt like the people we dont like"

Some of us are a little concerned that he seems not to dislike some people who scare the bejabbers out of those of us who like civilization. That he does not denounce Don Black and throw his filthy money back in his face is reason not to trust hims.

[Drudgewire]

Apparently...I have not seen it yet so cannot say for sure....Paul had a meltdown in an interview with Wolf BLitzer on the White Supremists issue.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3324193&postcount=105

[GStan]

It has to do with his apparent IQ, lack of integrity, lack of revulsion with white nationalist mutts, inability to grasp that evolution makes more sense in view of the scientific evidence than does creationism and his belief that corporations are still going to pay working people a decent wage without government looking over their shoulders...

You know, just for being an ignorant jerk.

my bolding



If corporations only pay a decent wage because of government, how would one explain the fact that over 95% of all hourly workers are paid more than the minimum mandated by government?

[uk_dave]

my bolding



If corporations only pay a decent wage because of government, how would one explain the fact that over 95% of all hourly workers are paid more than the minimum mandated by government?



Unions? :D I'm kiddin' I'm Kiddin'

Or am I? :dig:

[WildCat]

"Freedom Lovers" always want someone to tell other people exercising their freedoms to stop it. Got to love the orwellianness of it all.
Shouldn't you be at your own forum banning those with an opposing POV?

[Myriad]

If corporations only pay a decent wage because of government, how would one explain the fact that over 95% of all hourly workers are paid more than the minimum mandated by government

Perhaps because that statistic (as far as I can tell, as you have not cited a source) refers to the Federal government-mandated minimum wage, and 32 states and D.C., comprising over 70% of the U.S. population, mandate minimum wages higher than the Federal minimum wage?

Respectfully,
Myriad

eta: sources
Summary of U.S. Federal and state minimum wages (http://www.laborlawcenter.com/state-Minimum-Wage-rates.asp?gclid=COHc6uS87pACFQMsFQodzSSm0Qhttp://www.laborlawcenter.com/state-Minimum-Wage-rates.asp?gclid=COHc6uS87pACFQMsFQodzSSm0Q)
Populations of U.S. States (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html)

[GStan]

Perhaps because that statistic (as far as I can tell, as you have not cited a source) refers to the Federal government-mandated minimum wage, and 32 states and D.C., comprising over 70% of the U.S. population, mandate minimum wages higher than the Federal minimum wage?

Respectfully,
Myriad

eta: sources
http://www.laborlawcenter.com/state-Minimum-Wage-rates.asp?gclid=COHc6uS87pACFQMsFQodzSSm0Qhttp://www.laborlawcenter.com/state-Minimum-Wage-rates.asp?gclid=COHc6uS87pACFQMsFQodzSSm0Q]Summary of U.S. Federal and state minimum wages
Populations of U.S. States (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004986.html)

Sorry, I got it from this:

http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2002.htm

And point taken about the states, as it shows further evidence that the federal minimum wage is unnecessary. The states are equipped to handle it themselves.

I don't want to derail the thread any further with this.

[defaultdotxbe]

Unions? :D I'm kiddin' I'm Kiddin'

Or am I? :dig:

pfft, i had 1 union job in my life, it paid 50 cents over minimum wage, and when i got fired because someone tried to beat me up in the parking lot the union didnt say anything

all my non-union jobs paid at least 3 dollars over minimum (and these are unskilled entry-level jobs)


ETA: sorry to go OT, but unions annoy me

[dudalb]

Even you have to admit Sean H is a corporate puppet/political hack/entertainer who has run his course.

Besides, they were not chasing him. Nobody was running, it was a Power Walk executed by SH.

Why would Hannity feel the need to or (in your opinion)be perceived as running away? If he hasn't wronged somebody he should have nothing to worry about. Right?


Even corporate puppet/political hack/entertainers have a right to walk down a street unmolested..and have a right to freedom of speech,come to think of it.
You are either a freaking moron,like the comic book hero who you named yourself after, or you advocate threts and intimidation to silence those who disagree with you.
On the other hand, I take back what I said about The Hulk(the original Marvel character).Even at his most incoherent,he seems to be alot more intelligent and logical then a lot of truthers.

[abenja1]

Even you have to admit Sean H is a corporate puppet/political hack/entertainer who has run his course.

Besides, they were not chasing him. Nobody was running, it was a Power Walk executed by SH.

Why would Hannity feel the need to or (in your opinion)be perceived as running away? If he hasn't wronged somebody he should have nothing to worry about. Right?

So then by that logic you would have no problem if the same thing happened to you; being chased by a group of people yelling insults at you?

[HereticHulk]

RP's association, whether he wishes it or not, with WeAreChange should be a clue that he is not fit to serve.

And the WeAreChange morons did throw snowballs at Hannity. Whether Hannity is a decent citizen or a child molestor, that is illegal.

WAC are terrorists.

95% of the terrorists from whom I have heard any opinion will vote for RP, given the chance.

So far, their terrorism is minor stuff, but that kind of sociopath can get out of hand. I do hope the Secret Service wises up and starts keeping them away from the candidates. Stalkers are always a nuisance, and in the case of anti-government whackadoodles, they can be dangerous.

Are you really comfortable with the idea that sociopaths can get this close to the widfe of a candidate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zhZof7JPks

Giuliani is that you? :D

Spare me! Terrorists?

So the founding fathers where considered terrorists by England?

You are full of sh*t!

[HereticHulk]

So then by that logic you would have no problem if the same thing happened to you; being chased by a group of people yelling insults at you? If they have it coming..........

Throwing snowballs is assault? Dood, you guys are whacko!

[dudalb]

If they have it coming..........

Throwing snowballs is assault? Dood, you guys a whacko!


Thanks for demonstrationg why so many of us have such contempt for the Truther mentality,guy.
Maybe some of us should do that to Ron Paul,and see if you would think it is a good idea.

[HereticHulk]

Thanks for demonstrationg why so many of us have such contempt for the Truther mentality,guy.
Maybe some of us should do that to Ron Paul,and see if you would think it is a good idea.

That just it, nobody has any reason to do that to him.

It's the equivalent to being tarred and feathered back in the day.

[Pardalis]

Today's top story on wearechange:

http://www.wearechange.org/

Noticed whenever the news agree with their opinions, "Faux News" magically returns to its original name "Fox News"?

(BTW, what's with "Faux" News anyway? In French you don't pronounce the "x", which sounds like "Fo News"... I don't get it.)

[abenja1]

That just it, nobody has any reason to do that to him. .

Who are you to say that? I think it would be justifiable. Calling MLK a pedophile, hanging out with white nationalists and accepting their money I find to be good enough to hound Ron Paul and chase him around until accepts responsibility and explains how he let those writings get in his, that again is HIS newsletter.

[dudalb]

That just it, nobody has any reason to do that to him.

It's the equivalent to being tarred and feathered back in the day.

You really don't get the idea of tolerating the opinions of those who disagree with you, do you?
Frankly,the tendacy of people on both sides of the poltical spectrum to have a "Free Speech For Me,But Not For Thee" attitude is one of the scarist things in American Politics today.And the Paultards and the Truthers are far from being the only offenders here.

[HereticHulk]

Who are you to say that? I think it would be justifiable. Calling MLK a pedophile, hanging out with white nationalists and accepting their money I find to be good enough to hound Ron Paul and chase him around until accepts responsibility and explains how he let those writings get in his, that again is HIS newsletter.

This 'Breaking News' MLK pedophile story is 15 years old. RP has been elected in Texas ten times for Congress! Don't you think if this hit piece had merit it would have hampered his elect ability for congress?

For being deep thinkers, I would have expected more from you people here.:confused:

[HereticHulk]

You really don't get the idea of tolerating the opinions of those who disagree with you, do you?

:dl:

Have you read any of the CT threads here at JREF lately?

I cannot believe you just said that HERE of all places!?

[TheRedWorm]

Have you been censored from espousing your opinion on this forum, HH?

[SDC]

This 'Breaking News' MLK pedophile story is 15 years old. RP has been elected in Texas ten times for Congress! Don't you think if this hit piece had merit it would have hampered his elect ability for congress?



You're talking about Texas. No, it would not have hampered his electability (one word 'round here, at least.) If anything it may well have helped, depending on the district.

[BenBurch]

Unions? :D I'm kiddin' I'm Kiddin'

Or am I? :dig:


Unions (and tariffs) are why we had such a strong middle class for most of the last Century.

[Corsair 115]

Ron Paul says he doesn't believe in the conspiracy theories!!!He does apparently subscribe to the whole "North American Union" and "NAFTA superhighway" nonsense which borders on conspiratorial.

[abenja1]

This 'Breaking News' MLK pedophile story is 15 years old. RP has been elected in Texas ten times for Congress! Don't you think if this hit piece had merit it would have hampered his elect ability for congress?

For being deep thinkers, I would have expected more from you people here.:confused:

So time is a bigger factor than responsibility? So I guess if I kill someone, then I get caught 15 years later, I don't have to face the consequences? Is that what you're saying? He's been elected 10 times, good for him. I'm going to assume that since you like Ron Paul you probably do not like Bush '43. By your logic, because Bush '43 was reelected that makes him a good president. Do you agree with that? Given the history of various parts of Texas, I wouldn't be surprised if that's where all of Paul's newsletter subscriptions were. And it is not a hit piece. If Paul wants to be president he has to stop bit*hing and moaning about how everyone is supposedly out to get him and learn to deal with legitimate questions that the press will ask. If he doesn't, he should drop out and resign from Congress.

[chillzero]

Ahem -- NOT a politics thread. ;)

[A W Smith]

Are PaulTards who no longer support Ron Paul now TruthTards?

[CHF]

Today's top story on wearechange:

http://www.wearechange.org/

Noticed whenever the news agree with their opinions, "Faux News" magically returns to its original name "Fox News"?

And when they talk about FOX reports on Al Qaeda, it'll be Faux again.

Alex Jones has taught them well.

[HereticHulk]

You're talking about Texas. No, it would not have hampered his electability (one word 'round here, at least.) If anything it may well have helped, depending on the district.

Completely absurd! Are you saying the majority of certain districts in Texas are racist?? You guys are utterly appalling.:rolleyes:

[DGM]

Completely absurd! Are you saying the majority of certain districts in Texas are racist?? You guys are utterly appalling.:rolleyes:
If your comparing his longevity in Texas to how honorable he is, just think of how long Ted Kennedy has been in office in Massachusetts.:boggled:

[TheRedWorm]

You really don't get the idea of tolerating the opinions of those who disagree with you, do you?

:dl:

Have you read any of the CT threads here at JREF lately?

I cannot believe you just said that HERE of all places!?

Have you been censored from espousing your opinion on this forum, HH?


Any chance you can answer this, HH?

[1337m4n]

HereticHulk, would you mind explaining to me how the behavior of the people who harassed Hannity helps Ron Paul's image and/or campaign? Because the entire thesis of this thread is that it does the exact opposite; any other discussions are technically off-topic here.

[GwionX]

Completely absurd! Are you saying the majority of certain districts in Texas are racist?? You guys are utterly appalling.:rolleyes:

Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio...nope. Believe me though certain smaller places in Texas you can go back 100 years, especially in South East Texas. A Town called Vidor comes to mind for me, up until a few years ago you could buy Klan regailia on main street. There was a pretty horrible race war there about 20 years ago. Jasper TX has has its share of hate crimes. Lake Jackson (where Paul resides) was built on the site of the old Major Jackson (confederate) Plantation, the "lake" was dug and built by slaves, and the little town of 26,000 has its very own Klan chapter called: Brotherhood of Klans Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Demographics show 3% of the population is African American. Perhaps, the newsletters were to get in touch with his constituency? It wouldn't surpise me at all.

[CptColumbo]

Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio...nope. Believe me though certain smaller places in Texas you can go back 100 years, especially in South East Texas. A Town called Vidor comes to mind for me, up until a few years ago you could buy Klan regailia on main street. There was a pretty horrible race war there about 20 years ago. Jasper TX has has its share of hate crimes. Lake Jackson (where Paul resides) was built on the site of the old Major Jackson (confederate) Plantation, the "lake" was dug and built by slaves, and the little town of 26,000 has its very own Klan chapter called: Brotherhood of Klans Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Demographics show 3% of the population is African American. Perhaps, the newsletters were to get in touch with his constituency? It wouldn't surpise me at all.IIRC there was recently a case in Texas where a African American man was dragged behind a pickup truck.

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Byrd%2C_Jr.
ETA: Ron Paul's District (14th) is just south of where this happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas%27s_14th_congressional_district

[Pardalis]

I like to go back to Wearechange every once and a while for a chuckle, but this time I am absolutely astounded at their self-important arrogance.

See the image that was posted on their home page:

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/king_dees.jpg

:jaw-dropp


Are they going to start a Stupid Rights Movement or something?

[Texas]

IIRC there was recently a case in Texas where a African American man was dragged behind a pickup truck.

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Byrd%2C_Jr.
ETA: Ron Paul's District (14th) is just south of where this happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas%27s_14th_congressional_district


It is worth noting that 2 of the 3 perps are on death row and the 3rd is doing life without parole.

[Dr Adequate]

It's the equivalent to being tarred and feathered back in the day. That's the second time on this thread that you've compared the Paulies to a vicious mob intent upon an illegal and cowardly act of torture and terrorism, as favored, inter alia, by the Ku Klux Klan.

Funny thing is, I thought you were on their side.