Obama: if it is real, how long....

[headscratcher4]

Before the Xian fundie nuts start suggesting he's the anti-christ?

I mean, he was a relative unknown before about four years ago...out of no-where...black...charismatic...father was a muslim....woo woo woo...you can just hear Tim LeHay gearing up for the assult....

But, maybe it depends on whether Romney self-distructs...'cause he might be a better candidate for the anti-christ.

[becomingagodo]

father was a muslim....
His father was not a muslim and no Obama did not go to a muslim school. The point is that Obama can debunk these lies easily.

Being black has not been a big problem for Obama, espically among younger voters. Even then Obama is seen as exceptional. Finally, he has repeatedly said their is no black/white america. People said he couldn't win Iowa because he was black, and now the polls says he will win in NH.

Before the Xian fundie nuts start suggesting he's the anti-christ?
Obama is a Christian, so I don't know why they would call him the anti christ.
But, maybe it depends on whether Romney self-distructs...'cause he might be a better candidate for the anti-christ.
Yeah, I agree with this. Romney would be a easier target to label as mad and evil as he is not a Christian.

Being black is more a assert to Obama, as if you stand for change having a black president is change. However, its debatable what people see when they look at Obama, I see another JFK.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

He's a muslim, you know.

[headscratcher4]

Sorry, if I perpetuated myths...I am a fan of Obama. My point was that truth and the ability of the right-wing to launch attacks aren't tied to what Obama can easilly disprove.

Basically, what I was just speculating about was the desire of the end of timers to align current events with their warped biblical analysis. They are always proposing new anti-christs to fit the bill. Obama would by no means be the definitive or last anti-christ...Hillary would be the anti-christ, methinks, if she holds on to win.

No, really, all I was trying to do was muse out loud about all of the wierd, woo crap that will flow and find itsway into the mainstream if Obama is successful.

[becomingagodo]

Sorry, if I perpetuated myths...I am a fan of Obama. My point was that truth and the ability of the right-wing to launch attacks aren't tied to what Obama can easilly disprove.
Yeah, Fox has attacked Obama http://youtube.com/watch?v=ouKJixL--ms
however I don't see it working.

Basically, what I was just speculating about was the desire of the end of timers to align current events with their warped biblical analysis.
Hillary has attacked Obama, fox has attacked Obama. Ofcourse he will get attacked, however I don't see the attacks doing anything. You can't really come out and say Obama is a muslim as other news channels like CNN will say he isn't. The only thing that could possible sink Obama is racism, however fundies are not racist(well, some are racist, but the majourity is not).

You can't come out and say don't vote for Obama as he is black. Nor is it possible to call him a muslim, as other news will say he is not.

[IXP]

Sorry, the position of anti-Christ is already taken. A Christian fundy friend of mine (he is very liberal politically), claims the G. W. Bush is it.

IXP

[Dr Adequate]

It's already happened. Google on "Obama is the Antichrist" (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Obama+is+the+Antichrist%22&meta=).

Sheesh, they could at least wait until he's got the nomination.

[Trakar]

...Being black is more a assert to Obama,...

Freudian?
;-)

[headscratcher4]

And if he doesn't get the nomination...I guess he'll just be antipasta... ;)

[Praktik]

Hillary has attacked Obama, fox has attacked Obama. Ofcourse he will get attacked, however I don't see the attacks doing anything. You can't really come out and say Obama is a muslim as other news channels like CNN will say he isn't. The only thing that could possible sink Obama is racism, however fundies are not racist(well, some are racist, but the majourity is not).

And I would even argue that what appears to be the most damning charge, Obama's use of cocaine in high school, (well not damning to me, but to those that don't share my understanding of drug laws and drug use) well that charge doesn't appear to have much legs either.

Back when www.tomdelay.com was active I spent a lot of time arguing in comments with a poster called "Top Gun", who couldn't write a post about Obama without using the word "druggie".

The fact is that the people who harp on that are NOT going to be Obama voters - even if he was a saint in High School. That demographic was ALREADY a lost cause.

Among middle America - even those who condemn cocaine use and support prohibition - they can understand that Obama in his forties can be (and is) a very different person from his 16 year old self (just as we all are very different from our young selves), and that allegedly immoral activities committed when one is young do not condemn one to a lifetime of ridicule.

They might be concerned - but I think if Obama sticks to the narrative that his story shows just what is possible when one "cleans up" , that he can actually spin this to his advantage. Play up the redemptive aspects of it. At least that will be enough to comfort the middle-of-the-roaders.

And there's nothing he could ever say that would get the Top Guns of thiis world to vote his way anyway.

I immerse myself in conservative culture and commentary, and I'm actually fairly surprised to find that most of the coverage on Obama is fairly "soft" (with a few notable exceptions of course).

The greatest amount of venom is reserved for Hillary, and for Edwards - that effete "trial lawyer", primping his hair who can't argue for the poor because he has money (gosh, I cringe even typing that - but the lines are sticking for some reason).

[headscratcher4]

Interesting that someone at Tomdelay.com would call someone else a "druggie"...when they have not used drugs in over twenty years...it would be a little like calling DeLay a drunk...as he is an alcoholic (recovering, reformed, or however he describes it).

[Praktik]

Interesting that someone at Tomdelay.com would call someone else a "druggie"...when they have not used drugs in over twenty years...it would be a little like calling DeLay a drunk...as he is an alcoholic (recovering, reformed, or however he describes it).

Once a druggie always a druggie in their books. I pressed him on this point and while it was very hard to extract any kind of real defense of this position, I was able to glean that since Top Gun and his ilk view drug use as a moral issue (something very foreign to my experience and understanding), that his high school drug use is a sign of "rot" in the "core" of Obama.

He may have stopped doing drugs, but the immoral value-set that put him in the Devil's corner then could very well do so again.

Of course, you're right to point to Tom Delay - and you could even point to the (hard to prove, but likely) stories regarding Bush's cocaine use - but Top Gun was so heavily partisan that any such information regarding his heroes was immediately dismissed as part of the Evil Liberal Bush Demonization campaign, critical to their endeavour to Destroy America.

[Cello Man]

I'm still waiting for Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, or Bill O'Reilly to flip out, start frothing at the mouth, have a full-on Michael Richards-esque meltdown, and actually call Obama a n****r on live TV.

Don't think it won't happen.

[latent aaaack]

As someone with liberal views on drug I view frequent and/or hard drug use through someone's teenage years in a different category of danger. Drug use in those years during which the brain is doing so much developing is far more capable of causing permanent damage. If he did hard drugs like cocaine while his brain was still undergoing crucial development that would mean to me there's a good chance he's brain damaged to some extent. Statements such as that he believes he will "usher in a new birth of freedom on this earth" and other frequent odd statements support that. I would honestly care less if he toked up once in a while currently.

[Praktik]

As someone with liberal views on drug I view frequent and/or hard drug use through someone's teenage years in a different category of danger. Drug use in those years during which the brain is doing so much developing is far more capable of causing permanent damage. If he did hard drugs like cocaine while his brain was still undergoing crucial development that would mean to me there's a good chance he's brain damaged to some extent. Statements such as that he believes he will "usher in a new birth of freedom on this earth" and other frequent odd statements support that. I would honestly care less if he toked up once in a while currently.

Obama brain-damaged? Who knows the doseage/frequency/purity of his drug use?

No one but him and his powder-nosed high school friends.

And the "freedom rhetoric" is hardly conclusive proof of any brain damage, if that was a qualifier then every American President going back a century has brain damage - they all succumbed to the myth of America's "unique role" and the "freedom" BS in their stump speeches. Especially nowadays, its "freedom this", "freedom that" EVERYWHERE.

Maybe the entire political establishment is brain damaged, and has been for some time..

Wait a sec. I change my mind. Maybe you're onto something! ;)

[Tsukasa Buddha]

As someone with liberal views on drug I view frequent and/or hard drug use through someone's teenage years in a different category of danger. Drug use in those years during which the brain is doing so much developing is far more capable of causing permanent damage. If he did hard drugs like cocaine while his brain was still undergoing crucial development that would mean to me there's a good chance he's brain damaged to some extent. Statements such as that he believes he will "usher in a new birth of freedom on this earth" and other frequent odd statements support that. I would honestly care less if he toked up once in a while currently.

:rolleyes:

[Cello Man]

Guys. Just listen to Obama talk. Then listen to Bush attempt to form a sentence. You tell me who's brain-damaged.

[latent aaaack]

Obama brain-damaged? Who knows the doseage/frequency/purity of his drug use?

No one but him and his powder-nosed high school friends.

And the "freedom rhetoric" is hardly conclusive proof of any brain damage, if that was a qualifier then every American President going back a century has brain damage - they all succumbed to the myth of America's "unique role" and the "freedom" BS in their stump speeches. Especially nowadays, its "freedom this", "freedom that" EVERYWHERE.

Maybe the entire political establishment is brain damaged, and has been for some time..

Wait a sec. I change my mind. Maybe you're onto something! ;)

Except they would only say that in the context of armed conflict and west vs communism. In Obama's case he's just babbling brain damagedly. Yes, I hate Obama, and I'm proud to be the first democratic-leaning independent to do so. :cool:

[latent aaaack]

Guys. Just listen to Obama talk. Then listen to Bush attempt to form a sentence. You tell me who's brain-damaged.

They both are. The fact that Bush is brain damaged perhaps from all those years of hard drinking and cocaine proves my point about the power of substance abuse to affect a person's judgement even after they've stopped, if the abuse was either long term and heavy enough or occurred heavily at a crucial time when a person's brain undergoes rapid development into adulthood.

As for being easily accused of being an anti-christ, if the TV didn't convince the masses to support the weirdest, most manipulatively charismatic candidates that wouldn't be an issue, or if the average person thought for themself.

[corplinx]

If Barack Obama's dominance continues, the right wing nutter orgs will attack him. I mean, he's a democrat and that is what they do. He will be accused of being muslim, atheist, gay, an adulterer, a drug fiend, and a horse thief.

Similarly, Romney/Giuliani/etc are getting and will continue to get the whack job treatment from the left nutters. I guess its time for John McCain to get wrung though if he wins NH today.

Its called politics.

[danielk]

It's already happened. Google on "Obama is the Antichrist" (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22Obama+is+the+Antichrist%22&meta=).

Sheesh, they could at least wait until he's got the nomination.
The first hit is quite funny actually.

[leftysergeant]

He's a muslim, you know.

No.

The right-wing callers to liberal talk shows have been repeating this lie a lot recently. They even claim he took his oath of office with his hand on the Quran instead of the Bible.

The idiots can't tell one black guy from another, I guess.

That was Kieth Ellison, you morons!

(Ellison is the only Muslim in Congress.)

[corplinx]

Tip to Obama, the more you compare yourself to Martin Luther King Jr. and John F. Kennedy, the more people will realize that you have a wonderful voice but can't fill their shoes.

[steverino]

...If he did hard drugs like cocaine while his brain was still undergoing crucial development that would mean to me there's a good chance he's brain damaged to some extent. Statements such as that he believes he will "usher in a new birth of freedom on this earth" and other frequent odd statements support that...

This is the most twisted logic I have ever read on this forum.

Besides, Obama has a speech writer for gosh sakes.

[timhau]

The first hit is quite funny actually.

I kinda prefer this (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061130125358AA1hRgT) a bit further down. This is a year old, so it gets extra credit for being prophetic.

Nostradamus prophesized the name of the antichrist is "Mabus." This can relate to why Obama is the antichrist. If you write obama+bush, you end up with obamabush. Do you spot "mabus" in the middle? Bingo. This is a strong indication that Obama will succeed Bush as president in 2008, further confirming the prohpecy.

And if you write it in chronological order as bushobama, you get Sho-BAM in the middle, which is what my BS-o-meter said after reading this.

[Cat 1957]

Guys. Just listen to Obama talk. Then listen to Bush attempt to form a sentence. You tell me who's brain-damaged.

AMEN!!!!!!!