How long until Ron Paul drops out of the race?

[Undesired Walrus]

..And what are your plans? Celebration? Drinks all round at the local pub? Buildings shaking within their very foundations?

But more importantly, how long will youtube take to recover from the Ron Paul spam attack? Going to take a lot of sweeping up the morning after this man does what he should have done on day 2. Drop out.

[Richard Masters]

..And what are your plans? Celebration? Drinks all round at the local pub? Buildings shaking within their very foundations?

But more importantly, how long will youtube take to recover from the Ron Paul spam attack? Going to take a lot of sweeping up the morning after this man does what he should have done on day 2. Drop out.

Depends somewhat on whether the allegations turn out to be true.

[Undesired Walrus]

I think it's somewhat unlikely he is going to last until the nomination don't you?

But then again, if you support Paul and his policies, you will have a blinkered view on reality anyway.

[TriskettheKid]

Depends somewhat on whether the allegations turn out to be true.

Which allegations?

The ones that he's a closet racist?

[mrbaracuda]

It wouldn't surprise me if he'd be the stubborn dinosaur he is until the end.

[rtalman]

He stays in all the way to the Republican convention, where his more ardent supporters try to disrupt the proceedings, calling "Shenanigans!" on the nominating process.

A 50 page CT thread will spring forth on JREF about how Ron Paul was robbed of the nomination.

[Donal]

Which allegations?

The ones that he's a closet racist?


Closet?

[TriskettheKid]

Closet?

Well, if the reports are true about what he wrote (and based on some of his views, I see little doubt as to their veracity), then he would not be a closet racist....he'd be a full-blown racist.

I called him a closet racist because, far as I can tell, he has not been overtly claiming what it appears he's said in the past.

The man is repugnant, even if he wasn't a racist. No privacy? No separation of church and state? The man is a loon.

[Donal]

OK, haven't heard the no privacy thing. What has this supposed lover of the Constitution done to contradict it now?

[TriskettheKid]

OK, haven't heard the no privacy thing. What has this supposed lover of the Constitution done to contradict it now?

I found this link the other day:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

It was written by Ron Paul after the Lawrence case was decided. In it, he not only advocates the idea that we have no right to privacy, but he ALSO claims (inconsistent with the actual history) that the Founders did not intend there to be a separation of church and state (clearly, he's never really read about James Madison).

EDIT:

He also advocates removing Federal Judges who do not "follow the Constitution."

[Undesired Walrus]

It’s been a tough summer for social conservatives, thanks to our federal courts. From “gay rights” to affirmative action to Boy Scouts to the Ten Commandments, federal courts recently have issued rulings that conflict with both the Constitution and overwhelming public sentiment.

Why the " " around "gay rights" tags Paul? What's next?

[UserGoogol]

I think that unless Paul wants to switch to the libertarians (in which case he might want to "pack his stuff" so he can be ready for their late May convention) I think he'll probably be in this for the long haul if only nominally. Vaguely comparable people on the left (like Kucinich) tend to do that and he has slightly more of a chance than Kucinich does.

[geni]

Paul has no reason to quit. Not his money he is spending so why not ride to the finishing line?

[corplinx]

Well, NH was going to be the Paulbot revolution with all the independent and internet voters showing up to vote for Paul.

I'll be wearing a large excrement eating grin tonight when McCain or Romney accepts the states delegates. Not because I care for either of them but because all the RonPaulbots will have to go back to their gun shows and flea markets.

[Michael Redman]

I drove from Seattle to Minneapolis over the weekend. I saw perhaps 6 political signs. All for Ron Paul.

Of course, I passed about 57 people, and the cows don't vote, so I'm not sure what it's indicative of.

[leftysergeant]

It would be rational to drop out if you do not get three out of ten states.

Look for RP to be in it to the end.

[Father Dagon]

I'm going to buy a couple bottles of delicious belgian beer and maybe a cigar. Then I'm going to be obnoxious all over the internets. I hope that my fellow libertarians (?) that are gay for Ron Paul will snap out of it and get their act together.

[Mister Agenda]

Regardless of his chances to win, which are admittedly slim, I WOULD like to know where he stands in the primary. Flipping through my TV I see that Fox is reporting percentages all the way down to Duncan Hunter but not showing Paul at all, whom I'm PRETTY sure is getting higher returns than Hunter. CBS isn't showing that much detail.

Looks like Clinton is doing a little better than in Iowa.

[corplinx]

Paul at 8 percent Mister. Giuliani at 9.

[Mister Agenda]

Graci, I figured he should be doing SOMEWHERE around where he was polling. The Fox exclusion of Paul is getting a little ridiculous, and it looks like he wasn't that much of a threat anyway.

[Mister Agenda]

I found this link the other day:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul120.html

It was written by Ron Paul after the Lawrence case was decided. In it, he not only advocates the idea that we have no right to privacy, but he ALSO claims (inconsistent with the actual history) that the Founders did not intend there to be a separation of church and state (clearly, he's never really read about James Madison).

EDIT:

He also advocates removing Federal Judges who do not "follow the Constitution."


Technically there is no right to privacy in the constitution, but it does not claim to enumerate all rights, so there's room for more rights.

I've always thought the case should have been grounded on the right not to be enslaved. Outlawing abortion doesn't sound so innocuous when restated as 'forcing women to bear children against their will.'

It does seem that his reading skills suffer when the text is a problem for his faith.

[Mister Agenda]

And I found a good link, McCain is the predicted winner followed by Romney and Huckabee (doing better in NH than I thought he would), Giuliani, Paul, and Thompson (at 1%, must hurt).

[mrbaracuda]

WOOO! EIGHT (!) PERCENT! WOOO! THE SUPPORTERS ARE GOING CRAZY!
And what does the dinosaur do? Right, he just stands there like a patient who fled out of a mental asylum who doesn't know what's going on all TO SUDDENLY LIFT HIS ARMS AND say something I couldn't understand.


WOOOOO! WHAT A PARTY GUY!

[Father Dagon]

It wouldn't surprise me if he'd be the stubborn dinosaur he is until the end.Then 2008 will be the year of the Lolron.

[rtalman]

Still a lot of college towns to be counted, exit polls have Paul spanking Giuliani by 10 points among 18-24 age bracket. Don't be surprised if Paul edges out Giuliani for 4th place.

[Checkmite]

Then 2008 will be the year of the Lolron.

Heh, Ron PLol.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Drop out? Are you kidding? After tonights big victory in New Hampshire?

[Checkmite]

Drop out? Are you kidding? After tonights big victory in New Hampshire?


Evacuate? In our moment of triumph???

[MaGZ]

Paul has no reason to quit. Not his money he is spending so why not ride to the finishing line?

Why not take the money and run third party?

[steverino]

Outlawing abortion doesn't sound so innocuous when restated as 'forcing women to bear children against their will.'


Can you explain this please. Something is amiss with your syntax I think.:confused:

[gtc]

The NY Times (http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/NH.html) has a table of the results if anyone is still looking.

[OneShotKi11]

The best was when Ron Paul said that the reason the L.A. riots stopped was because it was Sunday and time for the blacks to pick up there welfare checks. The poor and needy lined up and had the nerve to complain that the money drop offs were taking to long that day, but were only taking long because they destroyed the city.

Im not going to lie and state that i think that was racist comment. I think that 100% true!!! It was such a real comment to say that i can get over it....HAHAHAHA

[Mister Agenda]

Can you explain this please. Something is amiss with your syntax I think.:confused:

Mmm...is the confusion over who is being forced against their will, the women or the children? Or is it the innocuous part? Perhaps I should have said pro-life.

[Mister Agenda]

The best was when Ron Paul said that the reason the L.A. riots stopped was because it was Sunday and time for the blacks to pick up there welfare checks. The poor and needy lined up and had the nerve to complain that the money drop offs were taking to long that day, but were only taking long because they destroyed the city.

Im not going to lie and state that i think that was racist comment. I think that 100% true!!! It was such a real comment to say that i can get over it....HAHAHAHA

I hope you can, too.

[joobie]

Evacuate? In our moment of triumph???

http://www.fanforhire.com/images/comical_ali.jpg

losing? who is losing?

[Cleon]

Well, NH was going to be the Paulbot revolution with all the independent and internet voters showing up to vote for Paul.

Don't forget all those Free Staters who were going to turn New Hampshire into Libertopia.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

http://www.fanforhire.com/images/comical_ali.jpg

losing? who is losing?

Whatever happened to him?

[Cleon]

Whatever happened to him?

Here you go (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf#Post-war_life). Captured, released, now living in the UAE.

[marksman]

How much of that money he collected is Ron Paul even spending. i mean as far as I can tell, his budget is the occasional airline fare, salary for a few staffers and some bumper stickers. He doesn't buy media time, which is the single biggest expense. I doubt he has any pollsters on staff.

With the money he's collected, he'll run to the convention and use the leftover to pay for his Congressional re-election campaigns until he croaks.

[Suddenly]

How much of that money he collected is Ron Paul even spending. i mean as far as I can tell, his budget is the occasional airline fare, salary for a few staffers and some bumper stickers. He doesn't buy media time, which is the single biggest expense. I doubt he has any pollsters on staff.

With the money he's collected, he'll run to the convention and use the leftover to pay for his Congressional re-election campaigns until he croaks.

That could be the angle. Makes a lot of sense.

Which is the true irony. We have people getting into a huff over Paul's supposedly hypocritical acceptence of stormfront money when that is Paul's real base, meanwhile he's trimming millions out of people who think he's some sort of benevolant grampa type who is out to save the world with truth, justice and honesty.

Heh.

[Wildy]

How long? Not soon enough.

[Michael Redman]

It does seem that his reading skills suffer when the text is a problem for his faith.

I think that goes for all of us.

[mrbaracuda]

Hey, look guys, it's the Truth Move- eh, Paul Movement!

My mom, aunt, and dad all voted for RP today in my hometown, My mom and aunt both work passing out ballots, and checking them off. I just looked at the politico map and it says their town has ZERO votes for Ron.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/23203

I can see where this is leading. :boxedin:

[Suddenly]

It will be interesting to see how many people Paul drags back into his shadow world with him.

Emotional investment is a dangerous thing.

[Richard Masters]

That could be the angle. Makes a lot of sense.

Which is the true irony. We have people getting into a huff over Paul's supposedly hypocritical acceptence of stormfront money when that is Paul's real base, meanwhile he's trimming millions out of people who think he's some sort of benevolant grampa type who is out to save the world with truth, justice and honesty.

Heh.

Are you suggesting 10% of Americans are members of Stormfront? I love the spin.

[Tailgater]

Hey, look guys, it's the Truth Move- eh, Paul Movement!



http://www.dailypaul.com/node/23203

I can see where this is leading. :boxedin:

That sight is hilarious! I love the "don't get killed" post. I want to post, "maybe they rounded down since he recieved .03% of the vote".:D

[MaGZ]

How much of that money he collected is Ron Paul even spending. i mean as far as I can tell, his budget is the occasional airline fare, salary for a few staffers and some bumper stickers. He doesn't buy media time, which is the single biggest expense. I doubt he has any pollsters on staff.

With the money he's collected, he'll run to the convention and use the leftover to pay for his Congressional re-election campaigns until he croaks.

He has bought some radio spots. I guess he is a true fiscal conservative.

[MaGZ]

Are you suggesting 10% of Americans are members of Stormfront? I love the spin.

Perhaps 10% of White Americas are sympathetic to the ideas expressed on Stormfront.

[Richard Masters]

Perhaps 10% of White Americas are sympathetic to the ideas expressed on Stormfront.

Such as?

[Kerberos]

Are you suggesting 10% of Americans are members of Stormfront? I love the spin.

Reality calling RP does not have 10% support on a national level, never has, probably never will have.

[steverino]

Here you go (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf#Post-war_life). Captured, released, now living in the UAE.

Hey Cleon. :)

I miss that Muhammad dude. Had he played his cards right, he could have had his own humorous segment on Stephen Colbert, or maybe even hosted a reality TV show.

[mrbaracuda]

Ahaha, troy at it again:

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ETA

That sight is hilarious! I love the "don't get killed" post. I want to post, "maybe they rounded down since he recieved .03% of the vote".:D

Oh yea, I LOVED that comment! :)

[Richard Masters]

Reality calling RP does not have 10% support on a national level, never has, probably never will have.

They said he had 6.5% support in Iowa, it turned out to be 10%. Nevertheless that's a non-sequitur comment.

[Kerberos]

They said he had 6.5% support in Iowa, it turned out to be 10%.
Iowa does not equal the US. Iowa republican caucus attendant does not equal a representative sampel of Iowans. They probably don't even equal a representative sample of Republican voters.
Nevertheless that's a non-sequitur comment.

Do you know what a non-sequitor is? You use of the phrase cause me to doubt it.

[Richard Masters]

Iowa does not equal the US. Iowa republican caucus attendant does not equal a representative sampel of Iowans. They probably don't even equal a representative sample of Republican voters.

You are still missing the point.

Do you know what a non-sequitor is? You use of the phrase cause me to doubt it.

The fact that you can't spell it makes me wonder if you ever came across the word before.

[steverino]

Mmm...is the confusion over who is being forced against their will, the women or the children? Or is it the innocuous part? Perhaps I should have said pro-life.

My mistake. I think I mixed up the word "innocuous" with "noxious." :blush:
-Steve

[Kerberos]

You are still missing the point.
Other than that you try to exagerate what amount of support RP has.




The fact that you can't spell it makes me wonder if you ever came across the word before.

Ahh, you might not be able to use the word non-sequitur correctly, but I see you manage to employ one just fine.

[Richard Masters]

Other than that you try to exagerate what amount of support RP has.

Not really, since I never made a claim about national polls.

Ahh, you might not be able to use the word non-sequitur correctly, but I see you manage to employ one just fine.

I'm glad you understand when I'm using non-sequiturs to mock your own use of non-sequiturs. You are a quick learner.

[Kerberos]

Not really, since I never made a claim about national polls.
SO could you explain which 10% of Americans this quote refers to? "Are you suggesting 10% of Americans are members of Stormfront? I love the spin. ". Thanks.

[Richard Masters]

SO could you explain which 10% of Americans this quote refers to? "Are you suggesting 10% of Americans are members of Stormfront? I love the spin. ". Thanks.

It refers to inconsistency between national polls and actual outcomes. Realistically, Ron Paul is more likely to be somewhere between 6.5% and 8.5% nationally. But since no one really knows, calling it 10% isn't much of a stretch, nor very relevant to what I said.

[HereticHulk]

He'll quit when he gets sworn in!

...or when the voter fraud stops!

http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/01/09/new-hampshire-vote-fraud-confirmed-ron-paul-votes-not-counted/

[Suddenly]

Are you suggesting 10% of Americans are members of Stormfront? I love the spin.


What a massive distortion based in illogic.

A person's base is a base. It does not equal the amount of people voting for him. Even if we grant 10% of the whole electorate most of this support is from others, mostly clueless losers who "are trying to send a message" by voting for a lothesome hyperconservative conspiracy theorist with absurd economic views.

Paul's real base is hyperconservative militia level yahoos, many of whom are indeed racist. Stormfront is part of this base. Ergo this money is from his true base.

[Richard Masters]

What a massive distortion based in illogic.

A person's base is a base. It does not equal the amount of people voting for him. Even if we grant 10% of the whole electorate most of this support is from others, mostly clueless losers who "are trying to send a message" by voting for a lothesome hyperconservative conspiracy theorist with absurd economic views.

Paul's real base is hyperconservative militia level yahoos, many of whom are indeed racist. Stormfront is part of this base. Ergo this money is from his true base.

Well, I haven't met anybody from Stormfront, and I think I know Ron Paul's base pretty well. It would be more accurate to say that the truthers and paranoid NWO types are his base.

But then again, I have no proof and neither have you... so it's all speculation at best.

[mrbaracuda]

He'll quit when he gets sworn in!

...or when the voter fraud stops!

http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/01/09/new-hampshire-vote-fraud-confirmed-ron-paul-votes-not-counted/

Well if product-reviews.net says there's a fraud going on, it must be true!
NWO anyway? :boxedin:

Oh shi-! The Youtube videos about the fraud are popping up like mushrooms in marioland! :boggled:

[dudalb]

If Paul cannot do better then 8% in New Hampshire,where the GOP voters have shown a willingness to embrace the maverick (remember how well Pat Buchanan did there in 92 and 96) then it is freaking over for him,
Not that he ever had a chance in hell of getting the nomination,but now he will not even have much of an impact.

[Father Dagon]

Don't forget all those Free Staters who were going to turn New Hampshire into Libertopia.Well that project isn't so daft after all. One of the occupational hazards of libertarianism is thinking that as long as the laws and the constitution is a-ok, then all will be a-ok. No maintenance required. But if you have no people holding the line, then the line will inevitable shift in your disfavor.

Compare the swedish towns of Uppsala (pop ~128 000) and Västerås (pop ~107 000). Even though they are of the same approximate size, they are as night and day. Uppsala is traditionally populated by those who have studied humanities. Västerås by technicians and engineers. (And yes, you can study natural sciences in Uppsala, but it's not that it gets disturbingly much attention.)

It literally took the City Hall of Uppsala decades to reroute the E4 highway from running trough to outside the city. They are scared of buildings that threatens the University and the Cathedrals monopoly of height. So when they built the new police house it was a couple of floors too short, with the inevitable result of some police departments not being housed.

The general consensus must be that interesting debates will solve everything and if the play for time didn't made the problems go away, then you didn't play enough.

Compare with Västerås, the shining city of tech. There isn't much to say. Only that it's more Star Trek than Uppsala. If there's a technical solution to a problem, then it's implemented without those endless debates. (Of course they have debates in the City Hall of Västerås, but I guess that they see debates as just another tool, not something with an inherent value to be cherised.)

And this hasn't so much with politics to do as it has with the outlook on life of a lot of people. Basically, there are two separate cultures in Uppsala and Västerås. So the Free State Project could be successful. At least it isn't based on Paul's silly sausage messianism.

[dudalb]

We have a interesting variant of the "Free State" idea in California.
One of the counties in California, up in the high sierrs,called Alpine County,has a very low population...maybe a few thousand at the most.
Every few years we have some kind of movement to get people of a particular political belief to move there ,take it over,and turn it into utopia.It never gets off the ground.
None of these "Let's move to a county/city/state and take it over" ideas ever gets off the ground.
The most persistent is the Northwest Movement,urged by several White Surpemist groups,where all good Nordic Aryan Whites (HI MAGZ!) will move to Idaho,Montana,and Washington and take them over,forming a White Aryan Republic.
Funny,it never seems to happen.