Hillary Clinton crybaby

[becomingagodo]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MVlwH7-05Fk&feature=bz301

Hillary Clinton looks like she is about to cry. I would if I was in her position, you know getting beat by Obama badly.

I guess Hillary Clinton is old. It kind of like evolution, Hillary Clinton is as dead as a dodo.

Anyway, it could be a act, however acting sad is not going to get Hillary votes.

Lets just take a moment to feel sad about Hillary.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hillary_clinton.jpg

[Undesired Walrus]

Giving her terrible acting, it seems to be her advisers informing her to become less of the iron ice queen.

[Denver]

Giving her terrible acting, it seems to be her advisers informing her to become less of the iron ice queen.

Yeah, and the timing was already suspicious even had the acting been believable (so much media squawk about her lack of emotions, then the Iowa loss, and then the sniffles).

Actually with the rate that this is being played up (I really didn't see any tears myself), it seems it's almost becoming advertised as the equivalent of the Howard Dean outburst.

Maybe there should be new scale of measurement for the impact of a poorly executed adviser-planned emotional outburst.

I'd give this one a 3.5 on the Hillary-Dean scale.

[corplinx]

Hillary crying is the non-issue of the day. Especially since she didn't cry.

[Undesired Walrus]

Out of interest, was there something amusing and similar that happened to Dean? Don't think I came across that.

However, maybe Clinton could create an entirely new political strategy. I'd have certain respect for a candidate who could win elections entirely on the backing of voters feeling sorry for him/her.

[sinclairmcevoy]

That picture of her looks like an expression she would have upon finding a wad of Bill's in Lewinsky's pocket........

[WildCat]

Hillary crying is the non-issue of the day. Especially since she didn't cry.
For some reason it reminds me of the speech the Spirit Bunny gives after the paper airplane is thrown. Wish this was a few seconds longer!

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[WildCat]

Out of interest, was there something amusing and similar that happened to Dean? Don't think I came across that.
The famous "Dean Scream":

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[Denver]

Out of interest, was there something amusing and similar that happened to Dean? Don't think I came across that.


Yeah you can read more about it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean
Look for: "Dean Scream"

Edit: WildCat beat me to it. But the media pretty much edited out everything except the "scream" in the last couple seconds of the video. And showed it over. And over. And over...

[ZenFountain]

This is the Hillary I'll always know (my original)

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[corplinx]

Word is that Hillary has not been a friend of the press on this campaign. Maybe there some payback with this reporting? Rush Limbaugh would call this "the drive-by media at it again" except its Hillary its being done to.

[Denver]

Word is that Hillary has not been a friend of the press on this campaign. Maybe there some payback with this reporting? Rush Limbaugh would call this "the drive-by media at it again" except its Hillary its being done to.

The Hillary Pillory?

[Mercutio]

The national spin has been that Hillary's emotion was bad. The local news has the people who were at the event, who were moved by the display, and said that her answer to that question was what cemented their support for her.

What is interesting is to see the clips that were shown on the national networks, versus the footage of the entire event.

[boloboffin]

Posting after the Hillary win, but I just saw the clip.

She's a genius. It wasn't forced, it just happened. She didn't cry, I agree. But it was a genuine moment.

I've often not liked Hillary speaking. But occasionally I'll get a glimpse of Hillary listening (the odd cutback while someone's asking a question), and that's when she's golden. It was nice to see that same quality while she was speaking.

She's a genius because it happened at exactly the right moment. She is tired, they all are, and her normal defenses came down for a moment in a very good way. That's the Hillary Rodham Bill married, folks.

[timhau]

The famous "Dean Scream":


Does anyone else think that for a campaign-breaking show of total off-the-wall insanity, the Dean Scream was actually pretty lame?

[SezMe]

Hillary Clinton looks like she is about to cry. I would if I was in her position, you know getting beat by Obama badly.
You wanna follow-up on this comment?

[pgwenthold]

BTW, where was everyone when Mitt was crying? Did that make headline news?

[ConspiRaider]

You wanna follow-up on this comment?
I don't think he does, Sez, so lemme pinch-hit:

HILLARY WINS
New Hampshire!

Of course I'm elated she got NH, but I may have been even happier seeing all the dejected and demoralized media hand jobs lamenting and rationalizing, because the New Hampshire voters did not do what they were instructed to do, by these jackals. Ooooh, that was good!

[varwoche]

I'm actually embarrassed for shallow minded people like Michelle Malkin (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/07/hillary-gets-leaky/), John Edwards (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/rival-reacts-to.html), and posters here who tried to make hay out of this non-event.

Though Hillary was emotional, she didn't cry (for what the frikkin' hell it's worth).

Bush Sr breaking down:
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Romney fighting back tears:
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House GOP Minority leader Boehner fighting back tears:
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Plus numerous examples (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Vote2008/story?id=4102187) that I can't locate on youtube: Bush2, Reagan, Bob Dole, Margaret Thatcher, etc.

[T.A.M.]

Well it was as close to crying as we will likely see from Hillari-bot.

Disappointing, as I was hoping Obama would win. I am a DEM at heart, and Canadian so my opinion is not of much value, but I can't stand Hillary...

TAM:)

[varwoche]

Well it was as close to crying as we will likely see from Hillari-bot.

Disappointing, as I was hoping Obama would win. I am a DEM at heart, and Canadian so my opinion is not of much value, but I can't stand Hillary...

TAM:) I was also (marginally) hoping that Obama would win.

I'm curious to understand your comments because Hillary hatred is a phenomenon that I've never quite understood, and here I have a chance to explore it with someone of like mind. ("hating" is stronger than "can't standing", but still)

(1) There's barely a difference between the two (all three actually) in terms of policy. Agreed?

(2) Obviously, experience weighs strongly in Clinton's favor. She has commanding knowledge of the facts across many topics, not unlike Bill.

(3) Public speaking weighs in Obama's favor. This is significant because the pulpit is an important part of the job. (I think that Clinton has performed better in the debates though.)

(4) To many (i.e. you and me) public Obama is more likable than public Hillary. (She is said to be very different in person fwiw.) Except for the bully pulpit aspect, which is already itemized above, I put no rational weight on this factor, and think that people who bash her for superficial reasons are acting like shallow nimrods. Except I must worry about...

(5) Electability -- my most important criterion given #1. Even though I think it's irrational to make hugely important decisions based on trivial* factors, there's no shortage of irrational people. In any case, on this score the candidates equally scare the piss out of me.

In the world at large, I don't get why people fixate on meaningless things, and I get it even less in a skeptical community.

Speaking of irrational... All said and told, I think it's not entirely rational that I (marginally) support Obama.

* This is addressed to democrats. The policy differences certainly aren't trivial for those who oppose her policies.

[corplinx]

Speaking of irrational... All said and told, I think it's not entirely rational that I (marginally) support Obama.


Last week I saw the birth of my first child and I nearly broke down in tears. Being a skeptic doesn't shield people from feelings or irrational thoughts. Atheists and skeptics can love puppy dogs and be inspired by good speakers and still be good skeptics.

[T.A.M.]

(1) There's barely a difference between the two (all three actually) in terms of policy. Agreed?


If you look at the general outcomes there policies would have, yes. There are finer details that differ, but over all on major policy issues, they stand about the same now.


(2) Obviously, experience weighs strongly in Clinton's favor. She has commanding knowledge of the facts across many topics, not unlike Bill.

I think the experience she has is often overstated. Yes has more years of experience. Most of them were as first lady, in terms of federal political life. How much of a role did she play in decision making, policy molding, during those days? You can't trust anything Bill would say on the matter NOW, because he is trying to get her elected. I would like a link, if you know of one, that in a non partisan fashion, shows just what she had experience in changing, developing, etc...Did she negotiate with foreign powers? Besides sitting in on discussion at dinner for visiting leaders and spouses, what did she influence, what did she have a say in? Apart from that she is a relatively young (in terms of years at the job) Senator, with just a little more time put in then Barack.


(3) Public speaking weighs in Obama's favor. This is significant because the pulpit is an important part of the job. (I think that Clinton has performed better in the debates though.)

As a whole, yes, but I believe Hillary is a good public speaker, she is just not as inspiring, and not as charismatic.


(4) To many (i.e. you and me) public Obama is more likable than public Hillary. (She is said to be very different in person fwiw.) Except for the bully pulpit aspect, which is already itemized above, I put no rational weight on this factor, and think that people who bash her for superficial reasons are acting like shallow nimrods. Except I must worry about...

Public perception is a HUGE factor in terms of world opinion, diplomacy, etc, so I think it is more important than you think.


(5) Electability -- my most important criterion given #1. Even though I think it's irrational to make hugely important decisions based on trivial* factors, there's no shortage of irrational people. In any case, on this score the candidates equally scare the piss out of me.

I think in terms of motivating Independents to vote DEM, and to get young people out to vote DEM, Barack is way, way ahead, and this to me makes him more electable than Hillary. Sure she will get her DEMS out to vote, but the rest will either not vote, or vote for REP...IMO. She is much less likely to get the young crowd out to vote.


In the world at large, I don't get why people fixate on meaningless things, and I get it even less in a skeptical community.

Speaking of irrational... All said and told, I think it's not entirely rational that I (marginally) support Obama.

* This is addressed to democrats. The policy differences certainly aren't trivial for those who oppose her policies.

SO to answer your original question, why do I dislike or "Can't stand" Hillary...it is not a simple answer.

I find her "hard to like". I actually find powerful women sexy, but for some reason I find it has the opposite with Hillary. She comes off to me more as a preachy school marm. She comes across as someone who would wrap you on the knuckles for taking a cookie out of the cookie jar.

I have always been a believer in the thought that a true leader makes you follow him/her because YOU WANT TO, rather than because he/she forces you to...I guess I see Barack as the former, and Hillary as the latter.

TAM:)

[Gnu World Order]

I think the experience she has is often overstated. Yes has more years of experience. Most of them were as first lady, in terms of federal political life. How much of a role did she play in decision making, policy molding, during those days? You can't trust anything Bill would say on the matter NOW, because he is trying to get her elected. I would like a link, if you know of one, that in a non partisan fashion, shows just what she had experience in changing, developing, etc...Did she negotiate with foreign powers? Besides sitting in on discussion at dinner for visiting leaders and spouses, what did she influence, what did she have a say in? Apart from that she is a relatively young (in terms of years at the job) Senator, with just a little more time put in then Barack.



I can't give concrete examples, other than her extensive work on the failed health-care proposal in Bill's first term, but my general impression is that she was more active in her husband's administration than any other recent first lady -- much more than Barbara and Laura Bush, for example.

Bill always -- even before he was elected in 1992 -- said that she would and did play an important role.

I think in terms of motivating Independents to vote DEM, and to get young people out to vote DEM, Barack is way, way ahead, and this to me makes him more electable than Hillary. Sure she will get her DEMS out to vote, but the rest will either not vote, or vote for REP...IMO. She is much less likely to get the young crowd out to vote.


I think the young crowd will be motivated to come out and make history by voting in a woman. Her negatives, though -- Hillary hatred on the far right, and Clinton-Bush weariness in general -- are probably a little bigger than Obama's lack of experience. In the long run, it could just be a wash.

:)gwo

[Tricky]

Anybody see Terrell Owens crying after Dallas lost in the playoffs? I want to see all those who think Hillary is unfit to be president because she shed a tear, also campaign to have Owens removed from the NFL. How can you trust him not to get misty-eyed when there is a pass coming at him?