winnie woo and uri geller

[idunno]

SRI films of Uri Geller prove psychic powers are genuine!

As of now, you can watch the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) documented videos of the Uri Geller experiments on YouTube.com, and verify for yourself that they are real. Here are the links to them, uploaded graciously by Shippi, Geller's long time friend and manager. They are very convincing and remain undebunked. Even paranormal debunker James Randi can't explain them away.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2iPZiH5sk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2iPZiH5sk)

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TvTnjwVOIY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TvTnjwVOIY)

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrlzzVcyYA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrlzzVcyYA)

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpdfuRaRQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpdfuRaRQQ)

[Jeff Corey]

Amazing! Some "scientists" are easily duped. Whoda thunk?

[nathan]

jolly good, keep up the woo! BTW, where's your evidence that James Randi can't explain them away?

[LazyPint]

I thought Randi had duplicated every one of his tricks?

[fls]

SRI films of Uri Geller prove psychic powers are genuine!

As of now, you can watch the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) documented videos of the Uri Geller experiments on YouTube.com, and verify for yourself that they are real. Here are the links to them, uploaded graciously by Shippi, Geller's long time friend and manager. They are very convincing and remain undebunked. Even paranormal debunker James Randi can't explain them away.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2iPZiH5sk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2iPZiH5sk)

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TvTnjwVOIY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TvTnjwVOIY)

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrlzzVcyYA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrlzzVcyYA)

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpdfuRaRQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpdfuRaRQQ)

You may be interested in reading "The Psychology of the Psychic". David Marks reviewed the SRI experiments in detail and found a number of ways for Uri to have cheated.

Linda

[ynot]

SRI films of Uri Geller prove psychic powers are genuine!

As of now, you can watch the Stanford Research Institute (SRI) documented videos of the Uri Geller experiments on YouTube.com, and verify for yourself that they are real. Here are the links to them, uploaded graciously by Shippi, Geller's long time friend and manager. They are very convincing and remain undebunked. Even paranormal debunker James Randi can't explain them away.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2iPZiH5sk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_2iPZiH5sk)

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TvTnjwVOIY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TvTnjwVOIY)

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrlzzVcyYA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrlzzVcyYA)

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpdfuRaRQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqpdfuRaRQQ)
Geller was invited to replicate these "party tricks" on the Jonny Carson show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YJDh1xjSeU

Why do you think he couldn't do it? Your quest to vaildate your beliefs is getting really desperate.

[idunno]

Geller was invited to replicate these "party tricks" on the Jonny Carson show. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YJDh1xjSeU

Why do you think he couldn't do it? Your quest to vaildate your beliefs is getting really desperate.

not mine. this is from Winston Wu.

[nathan]

not mine. this is from Winston Wu.
So, these:
SRI films of Uri Geller prove psychic powers are genuine!
...
They are very convincing and remain undebunked. Even paranormal debunker James Randi can't explain them away.
aren't your words? You appear to be posting unattributed quotes then.

[Jeff Corey]

not mine. this is from Winston Wu.
Then it would have been a good idea to actually say that in the OP.

[idunno]

Then it would have been a good idea to actually say that in the OP.
it said «winnie woo and uri geller»

[Monza]

Not very compelling video. It does show a bit of the informal atmosphere reported at the time. The ball bearing-in-a-canister experiment was not very convincing. There is a marketed effect (by Bob Kohler, I think) that is much more impressive.

I don't know if these videos really help Geller's case. For what it is worth, Steve Shaw (Banacek) was also tested by scientists (for over two years) and they were totally ineffective in identifying trickery. One thing to keep in mind, tricks are designed to fool people. So arguing from personal incredulity is not logical.

[idunno]

Not very compelling video. It does show a bit of the informal atmosphere reported at the time. The ball bearing-in-a-canister experiment was not very convincing. There is a marketed effect (by Bob Kohler, I think) that is much more impressive.

I don't know if these videos really help Geller's case. For what it is worth, Steve Shaw (Banacek) was also tested by scientists (for over two years) and they were totally ineffective in identifying trickery. One thing to keep in mind, tricks are designed to fool people. So arguing from personal incredulity is not logical.
:D
believe it or not i havent watched them yet. its my birthday and i was rushing to go out for dinner when i got that from Woo and sent it to you just before leaving

[idunno]

in part two, can you tell me how could geller fake the experience????

[thatguywhojuggles]

I just left a comment on video #2 saying that since these guys are scientists that they would be willing to let other scientists replicate the tests, and that since what Uri Geller is doing looks like magic a standard mentalist's trick that I'm sure they wouldn't mind if a magician came along to make sure the psychic wasn't cheating.

It said my message was pending approval. I'll be surprised if it gets approved.

[Jeff Corey]

it said «winnie woo and uri geller»
That's what the title said. It could have been an engagement announcement.

[idunno]

I just left a comment on video #2 saying that since these guys are scientists that they would be willing to let other scientists replicate the tests, and that since what Uri Geller is doing looks like magic a standard mentalist's trick that I'm sure they wouldn't mind if a magician came along to make sure the psychic wasn't cheating.

It said my message was pending approval. I'll be surprised if it gets approved.
so what scientists are real scientists. The ones who tell you its all fake???

[idunno]

youre right. This is the first time i see messages pending approval on youtube. What a bunch of creeps!!

[thatguywhojuggles]

so what scientists are real scientists. The ones who tell you its all fake???

Real scientists submit their work for analysis to other scientists. Real scientists let other scientists replicate their work to see if they get the same results. It's how science works. Science is not democratic.

[thatguywhojuggles]

youre right. This is the first time i see messages pending approval on youtube. What a bunch of creeps!!

It's not the first time I've seen it. Usually people who don't like criticism--usually based on the fact that they can't actually support what they claim.

[CFLarsen]

Amazing! Some "scientists" are easily duped. Whoda thunk?

T'ai Chi, for one, doesn't.

[Jeff Corey]

I said scientists. Not woo baggers, Oh wait , those were woo baggers, too.

[kookbreaker]

it said «winnie woo and uri geller»

Dude, I've been mocking Wu since his legwanking days on USENET and I didn't get the reference.

[Michael C]

I left a couple of mild, politely skeptical comments on these videos some months ago: they were never posted. Notice how few comments there are? In the time since the videos were posted on YouTube in August 2006, Shipi has allowed just 11 comments on 4 videos! I wonder how many he has rejected?

The videos are interesting because they give an idea of how lax the test conditions were. Uri was pretty much allowed to decide how things should be run. For instance, in the canister test shown at the beginning of the third video (Uri must find the can with the water), there's a good reason why the box is on the floor.

[Monza]

...The videos are interesting because they give an idea of how lax the test conditions were. Uri was pretty much allowed to decide how things should be run. For instance, in the canister test shown at the beginning of the third video (Uri must find the can with the water), there's a good reason why the box is on the floor.


Also, notice how Uri decides how to reveal the canister in the first video. If you were conducting a true scientific experiment for psychic powers, wouldn't you devise a strict protocol that requires the psychic to simply select the target canister, short and sweet? I sincerely doubt that the scientists told Uri, "OK, we want you to remove one-by-one the canisters that are not the target. Then we want you to write the number of the target canister on a piece of paper..."

Magic tricks are method-based. Very few tricks look like they would if you really had magical powers. This is why magicians (and psychics) always do wierd non-sensical things. "Write your secret word on this piece of paper and then we'll burn it...pick a number but only a number between these values...I'll just cover the object with a drape...I'll bend one of these objects but I'll hold it like this..."

[RSLancastr]

"Write your secret word on this piece of paper and then we'll burn it...pick a number but only a number between these values...I'll just cover the object with a drape...I'll bend one of these objects but I'll hold it like this..."Wow, this trick must have a hell of a payoff! :D

[Jeff Corey]

Pick card, any card. No cards? Well just use the invisible deck, right there in front of you, yeah, right there. Now pick a card and remember it, because there will be a test later. Keep concentrated on the card, please.






















































Three of clubs, right?

[thatguywhojuggles]

Invisible decks make me think of astronauts.

[RSLancastr]

Invisible decks make me think of astronauts.They make me think of this deck (http://members.aol.com/blgupc/blgupc/lirpa/deck.htm) from my playing card collection.

[Cuddles]

Three of clubs, right?

Close. Ten of clubs. Apparently you're half a psychic.

[Garrette]

in part two, can you tell me how could geller fake the experience????
Which part? There are three.

Bear in mind these words from the introduction:
Each scene has been taken from film footage made during actual experiments.In other words, we don’t get the whole footage. There are critical parts left out. But let’s address them, slightly out of order:

The first section is Geller trying to mentally project a number to the scientists in the room.
In this case, Shuik (sp?) is successful in picking up the number.Wow. ”In this case.” What about all the other cases? What about the same case as this in which Ed Mitchell also tries to pick up the number. Apparently he fails. No matter, the next sentence in the narration is this:
[/quote]Of course this is not a laboratory experiment since the activity is completely under Geller’s control.[/quote]In other words, this is a parlor trick.

The third section is the “Hidden Object Experiments” in which Geller determines which of ten aluminum canisters holds a ¾” steel ball. He doesn’t touch them, but he does get close. You may not understand this reference, idunno, but there is at least one explanation for an ability which is so rare on this earth.

The second experiment is superficially the most impressive—the “Hidden Drawing Experiments.” What exactly would you like to have explained?

Do you want me to explain how someone can duplicate a drawing sealed in two envelopes placed in a locked safe in a distant room when the performer never had access to the drawing, the envelopes, the safe, the artist, or anyone with any knowledge of the drawings?

I’m afraid I cannot offer an explanation for that. As it turns out, I don’t need to. Geller had contact, in 14 of 15 cases, with the person holding the envelope, said person having looked at the envelope before resealing it. So we’re already at less than laboratory conditions.

In the 15th case, the person holding the envelope did not know what drawing he held. That would seem to raise it back to laboratory conditions. But wait! What about access to the envelopes, the safe, the artist, or someone else with knowledge? Did Geller have any of that?

The fact is, we don’t know; the video conveniently leaves out all the relevant protocol. Can you think of a reason they might do this? I can.

I can also think of a reason Geller would want Shipi around (he was around at SRI). Shipi was caught on at least one occasion signaling key information during another Geller performance.

So your question is premature. Until all the relevant information is provided and until all the video is made available, there is nothing at all to explain.

[Garrette]

Close. Ten of clubs. Apparently you're half a psychic.Impressive. That's more of a psychic than Geller is.

[Michael C]

Pick card, any card. No cards? Well just use the invisible deck, right there in front of you, yeah, right there. Now pick a card and remember it, because there will be a test later. Keep concentrated on the card, please.

Three of clubs, right?

I picked the eight of spades. You've done well:

1. It's black.
2. A 3 looks quite similar to an 8 if you squint a bit.

Uri would probably call these hits. He considered that he was close to finding the number in Criss Angel's envelope on "Phenomenon" (the number was 911), when he started waffling about the difference in ages between him and Criss:

"I have no idea why I did it till now. That's how these things happen to me. The dates or numbers I started to blurt out were 1, 19 which reversed is 911. I also said the numbers 20 and 1, which is close to 2001. What are the odds of that? [...] Maybe if he would not have jumped in and cut me short, I would have zeroed in not only on 911, but the whole year 2001. If I was being tested in a laboratory these all would clearly be considered hits."

Would even those nice investigators at the SRI have considered these to be hits?

(See http://www.sanepr.com/Exclusive-Interview-with-Uri-Geller-on-Criss-Angel-Challenge-Controversy-by-Houdini-Museum-_29277.cfm)

[Garrette]

Three of clubs, right?Yes. That means I can predict the future, not that you can read my mind.

[fls]

I left a couple of mild, politely skeptical comments on these videos some months ago: they were never posted. Notice how few comments there are? In the time since the videos were posted on YouTube in August 2006, Shipi has allowed just 11 comments on 4 videos! I wonder how many he has rejected?

I wish I'd seen your post before interrupting my son's oh so important stint on "Rock Band" to get him to sign in to YouTube so that I could leave a comment.

Linda

[Monza]

They make me think of this deck (http://members.aol.com/blgupc/blgupc/lirpa/deck.htm) from my playing card collection.

Robert, if you are willing to sell this deck I can send you an invisible check tomorrow. :)

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Why are the films edited? Where is the part where he walks into the room and picks the can with the ball immediately?

~~ Paul

[Drs_Res]

The first mistake that SRI made appears in that intro video by Mr. Barnard Cox.

They made the assumption that psychic phenomenon actually exist, and they wanted to figure out how psychic ability relates to know physical science.

They should have started from scratch and proved that there is a phenomenon to study in the first place.

Starting from the point of view that they did set the stage for having the wool pulled over their eyes. If they had started from scratch, then maybe they would have been a little stricter in their evaluation of Uri.