[Split]New Griffin book out on March 14, 2008. A sneak peek of Chapter 1.

[ref]

The new David Ray Griffin book, titled "9/11 CONTRADICTIONS: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press (http://www.amazon.com/11-CONTRADICTIONS-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199605200&sr=1-1)" is due to be released on March 14, 2008. Griffin seems to have a clear tactic. When his old book is criticized, he won't answer to the criticism but writes a new book with more falsehoods.

Here is a sneak peek into the first chapter, released in the Canadian newspaper.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/07/02080.html

This chapter is about president Bush and his school visit.

The official story of 9/11 is riddled with internal contradictions. One of these contradictions involves the question of how long President Bush remained in classroom in Sarasota, Florida, on the morning of 9/11.

Of course, this is the same old recycled stuff.

But here Griffin actually manages to contradict himself:

The Secret Service’s failure to hustle Bush away seemed even stranger in light of the reports that Vice President Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and several congressional leaders were quickly taken to safe locations.

Bush is not quickly taken to another location, Cheney and Rice are. Griffin accuses them all of being in on this inside job. Why would they deliberately choose to quickly evacuate Cheney and Rice, but not Bush? Why would Cheney and Rice need to be taken anywhere, sure they would also know they were not in danger? This inside job gets more and more incompetent.

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Mike has a good page on this topic:

http://911myths.com/index.php/Bush_at_Booker_School

[Miragememories]

The new David Ray Griffin book, titled "9/11 CONTRADICTIONS: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press (http://www.amazon.com/11-CONTRADICTIONS-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199605200&sr=1-1)" is due to be released on March 14, 2008.

Here is a sneak peek into the first chapter, released in the Canadian newspaper.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/07/02080.html

This chapter is about president Bush and his school visit.

Bush is not quickly taken to another location, Cheney and Rice are. Griffin accuses them all of being in on this inside job. Why would they deliberately choose to quickly evacuate Cheney and Rice, but not Bush?

[Damn good question that has never been addressed and another good example of how the mainstream media cooperates like an obedient puppy]


The Secret service is supposed to "act on the side of caution."

It's supposed to be standard operating procedure during a threat situation for the Secret Service to move the president and key members of his cabinet to safety.

In the case of the president that day, his location was well publicized and the Secret Service behaved very suspiciously in not insisting that he leave immediately.

MM

[kookbreaker]

The Secret service is supposed to "act on the side of caution."

It's supposed to be standard operating procedure during a threat situation for the Secret Service to move the president and key members of his cabinet to safety.

In the case of the president that day, his location was well publicized and the Secret Service behaved very suspiciously in not insisting that he leave immediately.

MM

So, rather than remain in a secure location, you would have the Secret Service panic and move the President into areas that they have not had time to secure? Thus putting him at greater risk?

You have a funny definition of 'safety'.

[DGM]

The Secret service is supposed to "act on the side of caution."

It's supposed to be standard operating procedure during a threat situation for the Secret Service to move the president and key members of his cabinet to safety.

In the case of the president that day, his location was well publicized and the Secret Service behaved very suspiciously in not insisting that he leave immediately.

MM
His location was well publicized? I would beg to differ. Besides the press corp that travels with him and a small number of people involved these visits are not publicized before hand. The world only knew where he was after the fact.

The secret service's job it to protect the president. Moving him to a different location does not mean it's more secure. They had already secured the school so why rush to more him?

[GStan]

This is a fairly innocuous section of the article, but when one is reduced to making arguments like this, the weakness becomes blindingly apparent:

my bolding below

Help from Mrs. Daniels

Besides putting out this revisionist account, the Bush-Cheney White House also evidently enlisted support from Sandra Kay Daniels, the teacher of the second grade class at the Sarasota school. In a Los Angeles Times story published on September 11, 2002, she said:

I knew something was up when President Bush didn’t pick up the book and participate in the lesson... He said, ‘Mrs. Daniels, I have to leave now. I am going to leave Lt. Gov. Frank Brogan here to do the speech for me.’ Looking at his face, you knew something was wrong. I said a little prayer for him. He shook my hand and left.

This account by Daniels was radically different from what she had said for the aforementioned article by Jennifer Barrs, which had appeared only ten days earlier. After saying that “Bush, obviously lost in thought, forgot about the book in his lap,” Barrs quoted Daniels as saying: “I couldn't gently kick him... I couldn't say, ‘OK, Mr. President. Pick up your book, sir. The whole world is watching.’”

Given the fact that Mrs. Daniels had given this account just ten days earlier, her revisionist account cannot be explained in terms of a bad memory. The only possible explanation appears to be that the White House had convinced her to help spread its revisionist account. What would have been the White House’s motive for spreading a false account and even convincing Mrs. Daniels to help?

Pointing to the fact that the teacher did not use the exact same words to describe the event in accounts that were a year apart and offering that as evidence of a contradicting story and White House complicity in revising history is really pathetic. (Add yet one more conspirer to the MIHOP.)

If you combine the two accounts, one can clearly see that they don't contradict, but merely that one expands upon the other:

<I knew something was up when President Bush didn’t pick up the book and participate in the lesson. Bush, obviously lost in thought, forgot about the book in his lap..I wasn't sure what to do, "I couldn't gently kick him... I couldn't say, ‘OK, Mr. President. Pick up your book, sir. The whole world is watching'".. He said, ‘Mrs. Daniels, I have to leave now. I am going to leave Lt. Gov. Frank Brogan here to do the speech for me.’ Looking at his face, you knew something was wrong. I said a little prayer for him. He shook my hand and left.>

I can't believe how blatant, transparent and shallow this fraud is.

[CHF]

Besides putting out this revisionist account, the Bush-Cheney White House also evidently enlisted support from Sandra Kay Daniels, the teacher of the second grade class at the Sarasota school.

This is just silly.

[MaGZ]

What makes you think it was public knowledge? The POTUS schedule is not widely publicized.

What do you think he or the secret service should have done?

Mohamed Atta and other AQ operatives knew Bush would be in Florida on 9/11. That is why Atta planned the assassination of Bush with an exploding camera that day.

[Loss Leader]

Mohamed Atta and other AQ operatives knew Bush would be in Florida on 9/11. That is why Atta planned the assassination of Bush with an exploding camera that day.


It's amazing to me that they didn't just use one of their invisible missiles.

[eeyore1954]

Besides putting out this revisionist account, the Bush-Cheney White House also evidently enlisted support from Sandra Kay Daniels, the teacher of the second grade class at the Sarasota school.

Just about everyone is in on it according to Dr Griffin. the secret service , the teacher I am surprised he didn't interview the kids to show they were covering for the president.

[Sizzler]

What makes you think it was public knowledge? The POTUS schedule is not widely publicized.

What do you think he or the secret service should have done?

it was known he was at the school.

it would have been a big event.

ss should have taken him out straight away either to a safer place or atleast to a place where he could be commander in chief.

[kookbreaker]

it was known he was at the school.

it would have been a big event.

ss should have taken him out straight away either to a safer place or atleast to a place where he could be commander in chief.

So your answer is to move him from a secure location to an unsecure route to a location that may or may not be secure?

[Pardalis]

When is he ever going to write about theology? :con2:

[Gnu World Order]

Wow, the Griffin book in the OP has really attracted a lot of interest, hasn't it?:)

[1337m4n]

When is he ever going to write about theology? :con2:

Well, religion is based on faith rather than direct evidence. So I think 9/11 "Truth" qualifies, don't you? :D

[kookbreaker]

Wow, the Griffin book in the OP has really attracted a lot of interest, hasn't it?:)

Like a car wreck does, maybe.

[AMTMAN]

The new David Ray Griffin book, titled "9/11 CONTRADICTIONS: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press (http://www.amazon.com/11-CONTRADICTIONS-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199605200&sr=1-1)" is due to be released on March 14, 2008. Griffin seems to have a clear tactic. When his old book is criticized, he won't answer to the criticism but writes a new book with more falsehoods.

Here is a sneak peek into the first chapter, released in the Canadian newspaper.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/07/02080.html

This chapter is about president Bush and his school visit.



Of course, this is the same old recycled stuff.

But here Griffin actually manages to contradict himself:



Bush is not quickly taken to another location, Cheney and Rice are. Griffin accuses them all of being in on this inside job. Why would they deliberately choose to quickly evacuate Cheney and Rice, but not Bush? Why would Cheney and Rice need to be taken anywhere, sure they would also know they were not in danger? This inside job gets more and more incompetent.

Maybe should right an open letter to Mr. Griffin asking him when he's going to address the lies, half truths and contradictions in his previous books.

[Hyperviolet]

Another book?

Talk about cashing in.

[Sizzler]

Another book?

Talk about cashing in.

I agree.

[AMTMAN]

Maybe should right an open letter to Mr. Griffin asking him when he's going to address the lies, half truths and contradictions in his previous books.

How embarrassing, next time I should not be in such a hurry to post. The proper grammar would have been "Maybe someone should write...."

[chillzero]

I've split out the thread into two, so you can try again with discussing the book itself. Discussion of Bush and his actions at the school are discussed here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=103121

[nicepants]

Isn't an "open letter" made public? (Not fully copyrighted and sold as a book)

I'm assuming this book will not be made freely available via the internet or other media.....and if that's the case, can it still be called an "Open" letter?

For anyone who is interested, go to the amazon link (http://www.amazon.com/11-CONTRADICTIONS-Letter-Congress-Press/dp/1566567165/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199605200&sr=1-1) and post in the "discussion" area for the item.

[chillzero]

I'm moving another 17 posts to the correct thread for discussing this aspect of 911. This thread is for discussion of the book.