9/11 Truth Movement Merchandise: A Detailed List

[ref]

As I promised in another thread, here is a detailed version of the merchandise sold by certain members of the truth movement. The list can also be found here: http://911guide.googlepages.com/merchandise

Some observations:
We all knew that Alex Jones was a full blown salesman, but look at the amount of merchandise Robert Balsamo is selling! He has everything from kids hoodies to wall clocks, bags to mugs, magnets to sweaters.

When is David Ray Griffin going to make a short book title?

And what kind of megalomaniacs they all are. Everyone is selling 3 packs, 5 packs, 10 packs, even 100+ packs.

Well, without further talk, here is the list:


Dylan Avery:


Loose Change Final Cut DVD $19.95
Sleeved Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD Special $9.95
Loose Change Trilogy $44.95
Loose Change Baseball Cap $14.95
Loose Change 'Final Cut' T-Shirt $16.95
Loose Change 1st Edition Remastered DVD $14.95
Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut DVD $17.95
Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on Spindle (10 Pack) $45.00
Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on Spindle (25 Pack) $100.00
Loose Change 2nd Edition DVD on Spindle (50 Pack) $175.00
Investigate 9/11 Rubber Stamp $10.95
Investigate 911 T-Shirt $16.95
Loose Change Final Cut Stream $6.95
More Beats of Loose Change CD $14.95
LC Soundtrack – The Beats of Loose Change $14.95
Remo Conscious, Infiltration $14.95
Michael Parker – Phantasmagloria $15.00
Investigate 911 T-Sweatshirt (Hoodie) $34.95
Loose Change Final Cut Poster $3.45
Loose Change Bumper Stickers (10-100 Packs) $8.95
German LC Version 10 Pack Spindle $49.50
German LC Version 25 Pack Spindle $110.00
German LC Version 50 Pack Spindle $192.50
Donations of $5, $10, $50, $100, $250 and an amount of choicehttp://lc911.com/lc911/home.php (http://lc911.com/lc911/home.php)



Robert Balsamo:


Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 3 (Flight of United 93) DVD $17.95
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 3 DVD Spindle of 10 $70.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 3 DVD Spindle of 25 $150.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 3 DVD Spindle of 50 $250.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 3 DVD Spindle of 100 $400.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 2 (Flight of American 77) DVD $15.95
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 2 DVD Spindle of 10 $70.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 2 DVD Spindle of 25 $150.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 2 DVD Spindle of 50 $250.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 2 DVD Spindle of 100 $400.00
Pandora's Black Box – Chapter 1 (Analysis of American 77 FDR) DVD $9.95
Pilotsfor911Truth.org Presents...Volume 1 DVD $14.95
Pilotsfor911Truth.org Presents...Volume II – In 3D $11.95
3 Pack Special DVD $34.95
4 Pack Special DVD $44.95
5 Pack Special DVD $59.95
Dark T-Shirt $23.99
Women's Plus Size V-Neck Dark T-Shirt $29.99
Women's V-Neck Dark T-Shirt $24.99
Women's Plus Size Scoop Neck Dark T-Shirt $29.99
Long Sleeve Dark T-Shirt $28.99
Jr. Hoodie $29.99
Jr. Jersey T-Shirt $23.99
Long Sleeve T-Shirt $27.99
Golf Shirt $23.99
Value T-Shirt $13.99
Women's Plus Size V-Neck T-Shirt $29.99
Women's Plus Size Scoop Neck T-Shirt $29.99
Women's T-Shirt $18.99
Yellow T-Shirt $22.99
Women's Light T-Shirt $19.99
Men's Sleeveless Tee $22.99
Light T-Shirt $22.99
Fitted T-Shirt $23.99
White T-Shirt $18.99
Hooded Sweatshirt $32.99
Women's Long Sleeve T-Shirt $23.99
Sweatshirt $29.99
Women's V-Neck T-Shirt $20.99
Women's Tank Top $19.99
Women's Cap Sleeve T-Shirt $20.99
Organic Cotton Tee $21.99
Kids Sweatshirt $19.99
Kids Hoodie $23.99
Large Mug $16.99
Mug $14.99
Wall Clock $17.99
Stein $18.99
Tote Bag $17.99
Cap w/logo $17.99
Trucker Hat $15.99
Black Cap $18.99
Mini Button (10 Pack) $15.99
Button $2.75
Mini Button $1.99
Mini Button (100 Pack) $79.99
Magnet $2.75
2.25" Magnet (10 pack) $19.00
2.25" Magnet (100 Pack) $90.00
2.25" Button (10 Pack) $19.00
2.25" Button (100 Pack) $90.00
Rectangle Magnet (10 Pack) $19.99
Sticker (Oval) $4.49
Rectangle Magnet $2.99
Rectangle Magnet (100 Pack) $99.99
Sticker (Rectangular) $4.49
License Plate Frame $14.99
Sticker (Bumper) $4.99http://pilotsfor911truth.org/store.html (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/store.html)
http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots (http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots)



Kevin Barrett:


Kevin Barrett's selection of the top ten 9/11 DVDs for a $50 donation
Accepts donations of any amount. "Please give generously. The planet you save may be your own."
Book "Truth Jihad" Autographed Copy $15
Book "Truth Jihad" 3 for $30
Book "9/11 And the American Empire" Autographed copy $25.00
Book "9/11 And the American Empire" 2 for $40.00
Donation amounts range from $5/month to $100/month or $50-$1000/year.http://www.mujca.com/dvdselection.htm (http://www.mujca.com/dvdselection.htm)
http://www.mujca.com/whydonate.htm (http://www.mujca.com/whydonate.htm)
http://www.mujca.com/truthjihad.htm (http://www.mujca.com/truthjihad.htm)
http://www.mujca.com/supportmujca.htm (http://www.mujca.com/supportmujca.htm)
http://www.mujca.com/911empire.htm (http://www.mujca.com/911empire.htm)



Jason Bermas:


See Dylan Avery
James "Jim" Fetzer:


The Science and Politics of 9/11 – 2007 Conference DVD $25.00
Book "The 9/11 Conspiracy" $13.57http://www.amazon.com/11-Conspiracy-James-H-Fetzer/dp/0812696123/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-6608814-8156848?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174102191&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/11-Conspiracy-James-H-Fetzer/dp/0812696123/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-6608814-8156848?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174102191&sr=8-1)
http://www.avatarproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AP-SP911&Category_Code=BMV (http://www.avatarproducts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AP-SP911&Category_Code=BMV)



Richard Gage:


9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD 1-9 copies $15.00 each
9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD 10-24 copies $10.00 each
9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD 25+ copies $7.00 each
Evidence Cards: 1 for $1.00, 2-5 for $0.75 each, 6-19 for $0.50 each, 20-49 for $0.35 each, 50-99 for $0.20 each, 100-499 for $0.15 each and 500+ for $0.10 each
Available donation amounts range from $10/month to $911/month. That equals to $120-$10932/year.
Sells A/E lunch meetings with accompanying slide presentations. Prices range from $9.00 to $900.00 / any $-amount
$100 minimum for one-time donations
AE911Truth store will soon also stock: T-Shirts, Bumper Stickers, Vinyl Banners, Books, Other DVDs, Enveloped 9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVDs and Audio CDshttp://www.ae911truth.org/store.php (http://www.ae911truth.org/store.php)
http://www.ae911truth.org/sustain.php (http://www.ae911truth.org/sustain.php)
http://www.ae911truth.org/donate.php?b=mih (http://www.ae911truth.org/donate.php?b=mih)



David Ray Griffin:


Book "Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory" $13.60
Book "9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, Vol. 1" $12.14
Book "Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action" $19.95
Book "The 9/11 Report: Omissions and Distortions" $12.24
Book "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11" $10.20
Soon to be released: Book "9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press" $13.60
9/11 and the American Empire DVD $20.00
9/11: The Myth & The Reality DVD $20.00
9/11 Flights of Fancy: Truth and Politics DVD $17.00
9/11 Flights of Fancy: Truth and Politics DVD 2-5 copies $15.00 each
9/11 Flights of Fancy: Truth and Politics DVD 6-9 copies $14.00 each
9/11 Flights of Fancy: Truth and Politics DVD 10+ copies $13.00 eachhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-3655829-5581457?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=David%20Ray%20Griffin (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/103-3655829-5581457?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=David%20Ray%20Griffin)
http://www.mujca.com/griffindvd.htm (http://www.mujca.com/griffindvd.htm)
http://www.mujca.com/mythandrealitydvd.htm (http://www.mujca.com/mythandrealitydvd.htm)
http://www.peaceproject.com/books/dvd94.htm (http://www.peaceproject.com/books/dvd94.htm)



Jim Hoffman:


9/11 Guilt: The Proof Is In Your Hands DVD $12.99
9/11 Guilt: The Proof Is In Your Hands DVD 2 copies $20.00
9/11 Guilt: The Proof Is In Your Hands DVD 3 copies $25.99
9/11 Guilt: The Proof Is In Your Hands DVD 4 copies $30.99
9/11 Guilt: The Proof Is In Your Hands DVD 9-25 copies $10.99 each
9/11 Guilt: The Proof Is In Your Hands DVD 25+ copies negotiable price
Lifting The Fog: The Scientific Method Applied to the World Trade Center Disaster DVD $40.00
Lifting The Fog (Only the Jim Hoffman section) DVD $15.00
Book "Waking Up from the Nightmare: The 9/11/01 Crimes in New York City" $10.00
Book "Waking Up from the Nightmare: The 9/11/01 Crimes in New York City" 10-49 copies $8.00 each
Book "Waking Up from the Nightmare: The 9/11/01 Crimes in New York City" 50+ copies $5.00 each
Accepts any amount of donationhttp://www.wireonfire.com/donpaul/911guiltdvd.html (http://www.wireonfire.com/donpaul/911guiltdvd.html)
http://communitycurrency.org/911TV/liftingthefog.html (http://communitycurrency.org/911TV/liftingthefog.html)
http://www.wireonfire.com/donpaul/dpwnbk.html (http://www.wireonfire.com/donpaul/dpwnbk.html)
http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/contribute.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/re911/contribute.html)



Alex Jones:


Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement DVD $19.95
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement Truthseeker Combo Special pack $29.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement Unravel the New World Order pack $34.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement Expose Elite Evil Combo Special $29.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement Freedom Road Map Combo Special $29.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement Knowledge Is Power Combo Special $29.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement Infowars Music CD Combo $24.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement Stop the Globalist Game Plan Special $39.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement DVD 10 pack $109.50
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement + Loose Change Final Cut DVDs $34.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement DVD 2 pack $34.90
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement DVD 3 pack $44.85
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement DVD 4 pack $55.80
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement DVD 5 pack $64.75
Infowars Music CD $9.95
Terrorstorm Special Edition DVD $19.95
Terrorstorm VHS $10.00
False Flag Terror 101 DVD Special $34.95
Police State Trilogy DVD $34.95
Police State Trilogy VHS $30.00
Infowars Classics DVD Special $99.00
Four DVD Blowout Special $60.95
Martial Law 9/11: The Rise of the Police State DVD $19.95
Martial Law 9/11: The Rise of the Police State DVD 2 pack $34.90
Martial Law 9/11: The Rise of the Police State DVD 3 pack $44.80
Martial Law 9/11: The Rise of the Police State DVD 10 pack $140.00
Martial Law 9/11: The Rise of the Police State VHS $10.00
Order of Death & Dark Secrets Combo DVD $24.95
Order of Death & Dark Secrets Combo VHS $10.00
9/11: The Road to Tyranny DVD $19.95
9/11: The Road to Tyranny VHS $10.00
The Masters of Terror DVD $19.95
The Masters of Terror VHS $10.00
Matrix of Evil DVD $19.95
Matrix of Evil VHS $10.00
Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports Exposed DVD $19.95
Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports Exposed VHS $10.00
America: Destroyed by Design $19.95
American Dictators DVD $19.95
American Dictators DVD 2 pack $25.95
American Dictators DVD 3 pack $31.95
American Dictators DVD 4 pack $37.95
American Dictators DVD 5 pack $43.95
American Dictators VHS $10.00
American Dictators VHS 2 pack $20.00
American Dictators VHS 3 pack $30.00
American Dictators VHS 4 pack $40.00
American Dictators VHS 5 pack $50.00
Police State 2000 DVD $19.95
Police State 2000 VHS $10.00
Police State II: The Takeover DVD $19.95
Police State II: The Takeover VHS $10.00
Police State III: Total Enslavement DVD $19.95
Police State III: Total Enslavement VHS $10.00
Book "Descent Into Tyranny" Signed Edition $15.00
Book "Descent Into Tyranny" Unsigned Edition $12.00
Any 3 Tape Special $50.85
Any 4 Tape Special $67.80
Any 5 Tape Special $84.75
Any 6 Tape Special $101.70
Any 7 Tape Special $118.65
Any 8 Tape Special $135.60
Any 9 Tape Special $152.55
Tyranny Response Team T-Shirt $16.95
Mass Murdeders Agree: Gun Control Works T-Shirt $16.95
Loose Change Final Cut DVD $19.95
Loose Change Final Cut DVD 2 pack $39.90
Loose Change Final Cut DVD 3 pack $59.85
Loose Change Final Cut DVD 4 pack $79.80
Loose Change Final Cut DVD 5 pack $99.75
Loose Change Final Cut DVD 10 pack $195.00http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/videos.html (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/videos.html)

+ Dozens of other items by various authors
http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/test.html (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/test.html)



William Rodriguez:


What Really Happened on 9/11? DVD $15.00
Signed Photograph taken by William for a Donation of $15.00
Accepts donations of any amounthttp://www.william911.com/store.html (http://www.william911.com/store.html)


Korey Rowe:

See Dylan Avery

[GStan]

Man, the truth is expensive! Guess I'll just have to go on believing the free lies of the NWO.

Good work Ref.

[Anti-sophist]

I think cafepress is seasonal in their merchandise. Either that or the list is incomplete.. Because you missed the most classic PFT item of all.. THE BBQ APRON!

http://images.cafepress.com/product/96981588v5_240x240_Front.jpg
http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots.96981588

[Quad4_72]

Wow. I did not know there were so many "truth" items. So am I to understand that I cannot learn the truth without paying?

[Horace Wheeljack]

Kevin Barrett is falling behind the others in the merchandise range. He could have a self-assembly garden gallows, a Mark Roberts voodoo doll, truther nipple clamps...

He needs to get me on board.

[MikeW]

Nicely done!

I'd remove the "10 month year" comment, though. Barrett is using it like this:

MUJCA BENEFACTOR: $100/month or $1,000 annually

He's just saying you get to be a "benefactor" for the monthly $100 payment, or $1000 if you agree to pay annually - it's a discount to tempt people into paying more up-front. I doubt very much that it'll work with anyone at all, but it's not saying there are ten months in a year.

[MG1962]

My life is complete - I have ordered the Beer Stein, coffee cup and wall clock of truth.

[ref]

Nicely done!

I'd remove the "10 month year" comment, though. Barrett is using it like this:



He's just saying you get to be a "benefactor" for the monthly $100 payment, or $1000 if you agree to pay annually - it's a discount to tempt people into paying more up-front. I doubt very much that it'll work with anyone at all, but it's not saying there are ten months in a year.

I already removed the comment in the editing process :) I just forgot it there. It was a quick comment for myself as I was doing the list. I noticed the error. But thanks!

[ref]

I think cafepress is seasonal in their merchandise. Either that or the list is incomplete.. Because you missed the most classic PFT item of all.. THE BBQ APRON!

http://images.cafepress.com/product/96981588v5_240x240_Front.jpg
http://www.cafepress.com/911pilots.96981588

Oh damn! That item wasn't listed at the moment. That's an instant classic :D

[Dave Rogers]

In the interest of fair and balanced reporting, you can pick up a copy of "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts" for $9.32 from Amazon. There are about ten items on your list cheaper than that.

Dave

[LastChild]

Wow. Makes you kind of wonder where the market is for the moon-bat crazy nonsense of a dead movement.

Isn't the debunking having any kind of effect? Who’s buying all this stuff? I know I have never bought any of it. I don’t think I have ever even completely watched loose change all the way through and what I have seen of it was off the internet for free.

Now the History channel just ran their little special where they have some frauds from PM come in and purport to debunk 9/11 like in the book they sell on Amazon. They even call them experts though they are clearly not experts at anything.

I wonder how much advertising time they sell every time it’s on. Because you know TV is where the big bucks are.

[TheRedWorm]

Was there a point to your post, or are you merely trolling, yet again?

[Horatius]

Wow. Makes you kind of wonder where the market is for the moon-bat crazy nonsense of a dead movement.




~0.1% of ~300 000 000 Americans is still 300 000 suckers.


The Interwebs, Home of The Niche Market: Making Charlatans Rich For Over a Decade!

[LastChild]

Was there a point to your post, or are you merely trolling, yet again?

Actually it was a question. Isn't the debunking movement having an effect even when they get to air multiple times worldwide on the History Channel?

[bje]

Ref,

That's quite a list and quite a lot of work. Good job.

I trust all proceeds from the sale of Truther merchandise go to support the NWO - one way or another.

[e^n]

Actually it was a question. Isn't the debunking movement having an effect even when they get to air multiple times worldwide on the History Channel?

Several polls have shown that debunkers seem to be having a mild effect. Many of the people who believe in these theories do not honestly seek the truth, so you can only expect to 'convert' a limited number.

The truth movement's 2007 statistics are low though, and without a new 'smoking gun' for people to get involved with it seems they have hit their population saturation or close.

edit: Ref, if you have the time could you put together a list of debunking materials / debates etc sold and whether they are directly or indirectly sold / non profit etc.

[TheRedWorm]

Actually it was a question. Isn't the debunking movement having an effect even when they get to air multiple times worldwide on the History Channel?


"Debunking movement?" Wow, I'll just let that comment speak for itself. As to the other part, I would have to say that yes, debunkers do have an effect on the so called "truth movement." How many idiotic "theories" have been dropped? Pods, SPACE BEAMS! "Squibs," No planes, etc. It is no wonder you are afraid to lay out your beliefs on this forum.

[defaultdotxbe]

Isn't the debunking having any kind of effect? Who’s buying all this stuff?
considering that dylan is trying to unload 50 packs of the old version of hismovie and alex jones is trying to blow out VHS copies of stuff, id say no ones buying it, thats why its still for sale

[nicepants]

I'm still waiting for Judy Wood's "build your own space beam" kit.

[LastChild]

considering that dylan is trying to unload 50 packs of the old version of hismovie and alex jones is trying to blow out VHS copies of stuff, id say no ones buying it, thats why its still for sale

Well then he must have some awesome credit to be able to have all that stuff produced and packaged even though it's all supposedly based on total nonsense. I wonder if I go down to the bank and tell them I need to get my Bigfoot from outer space documentary financed and distributed how much they'll fork over to me? Any investors out there? LOL

[AMTMAN]

[QUOTE=LastChild;3322354]
Now the History channel just ran their little special where they have some frauds from PM come in and purport to debunk 9/11 like in the book they sell on Amazon. They even call them experts though they are clearly not experts at anything.

QUOTE]

Since you think they are frauds that must mean you don't beleive the debunkers. The only logical conclusion is that you side with the CT's.

Maybe if you knew what you were talking about you would have known that PM talked to people who do know what they are talking about. Who on the CT side knows what they are talking about? David Ray Griffin, a retired theology proffesor who spent his life in academia. The same guy who repeats one lie or half truth after another and tries to pass them off as fact. Jim Ftezer who does the same thing. Or Kevin Barrett, where do we start with him.

[defaultdotxbe]

Well then he must have some awesome credit to be able to have all that stuff produced and packaged even though it's all supposedly based on total nonsense. I wonder if I go down to the bank and tell them I need to get my Bigfoot from outer space documentary financed and distributed how much they'll fork over to me? Any investors out there? LOL
oh yeah, you need 100% facts to burn dvds all day

[T.A.M.]

Is he still here, agitating like a house fly? put him on Ignore AMTMAN, he isn't worth the aggrevation.

TAM:)

[nicepants]

Well then he must have some awesome credit to be able to have all that stuff produced and packaged even though it's all supposedly based on total nonsense. I wonder if I go down to the bank and tell them I need to get my Bigfoot from outer space documentary financed and distributed how much they'll fork over to me? Any investors out there? LOL

He claims to have sold thousands of copies of LC. At $19 each, that would have given him a pretty substantial bankroll.

As far as I know, the DVDs are all burned (not pressed) so that wouldn't require a substantial investment (about 20 cents apice). Not sure whether the shirts were pre-produced or if they're of the cafe press variety. The latter requires zero investment since they can be produced as they are ordered.

I don't think LTW has any direct "investors" other than Dylan, Korey and Jason.

[abenja1]

I wonder how much advertising time they sell every time it’s on. Because you know TV is where the big bucks are.

The same TV that you love to quote when it suits your agenda.

[Wildy]

Wow. Makes you kind of wonder where the market is for the moon-bat crazy nonsense of a dead movement.

Isn't the debunking having any kind of effect? Who’s buying all this stuff? I know I have never bought any of it. I don’t think I have ever even completely watched loose change all the way through and what I have seen of it was off the internet for free.

Now the History channel just ran their little special where they have some frauds from PM come in and purport to debunk 9/11 like in the book they sell on Amazon. They even call them experts though they are clearly not experts at anything.

I wonder how much advertising time they sell every time it’s on. Because you know TV is where the big bucks are.

Except that when you look at it, most of the big debunkers aren't in it for the money. They probably represent the search for truth far better then the "truth" movement, whose big players seem to be capitalising off the fools.

But please, tell us how the people from PM couldn't be considered experts?

~0.1% of ~300 000 000 Americans is still 300 000 suckers.


The Interwebs, Home of The Niche Market: Making Charlatans Rich For Over a Decade!

You mean like this? (http://www.tapewormdiet.net/)

[LastChild]

Since you think they are frauds that must mean you don't beleive the debunkers. The only logical conclusion is that you side with the CT's.

I don't remember any CT's being referred to as experts on the History channel.

Maybe if you knew what you were talking about you would have known that PM talked to people who do know what they are talking about.

Well maybe the ones they consulted with should have been the ones on the History Channel. Not some publicist fraud. Unless of course they couldn't get any of the actual experts to come on and assert that their opinions and theories were fact. Ya think?

Who on the CT side knows what they are talking about? David Ray Griffin, a retired theology proffesor who spent his life in academia.

What are Meigs or Coburn Professors in? What have they spent their life in? Why don't you try to find that for me?

The same guy who repeats one lie or half truth after another and tries to pass them off as fact. Jim Ftezer who does the same thing. Or Kevin Barrett, where do we start with him.

I don't remember any of them being referred to as experts on the History channel. So tell me why is Meigs more of an expert then any of them?

[Jonnyclueless]

Does he seriously think people are buying the stuff?

Hey man, I have some swamp land for YOU!

[uk_dave]

Does he seriously think people are buying the stuff?

Hey man, I have some swamp land for YOU!

The simplicity of the 'truther' mind. Just because they offer something for sale online it follows that they must have warehouses full of this tat in order to keep up with demand.

[LastChild]

Does he seriously think people are buying the stuff?

Hey man, I have some swamp land for YOU!

So he's not really selling anything? Thank you.

Now how about the History channel or PM. Have they made any money on purporting to debunk 911 conspiracies?

About that swamp land... why would I want it back?

[nicepants]

I don't remember any of them being referred to as experts on the History channel. So tell me why is Meigs more of an expert then any of them?

Meigs is an expert on 911 conspiracy theories. Who else would you give such a title to, and why?

ETA: In the HC documentary, Meigs /Coburn were expressing the collective opinion of their some-300 experts. So, in a way, they didn't have to be experts in their own right, they just had to relay the response of the experts. In fact, they usually say something like "we talked to the experts, and they say....". I'm sure that was a lot easier than having the history channel producers track down and set up interviews with all 300 experts who gave responses to PM.

[beachnut]

So he's not really selling anything? Thank you.

Now how about the History channel or PM. Have they made any money on purporting to debunk 911 conspiracies?

About that swamp land... why would I want it back?
Which is it?

Yep, you buy what you want. You have a point, and the History Channel does do bigfoot as if it were real, and UFOs, and other crazy junk. Some of their shows are as bad as 9/11 truth! The history channel usually says the stuff maybe lies so beware, they put it another way - but it is a red flag for crazy ideas; they are so polite!

But 9/11 truth has zero fact and evidence to support their conclusions they sell. You agree by not presenting any facts or evidence to support 9/11 truth, they are a bunch of liars and misinformation merchants. So they are a fraud. At least the History channel gives you the weak warning, this could be idiots speaking, in polite prose.

The point is, fact less information is sold to idiots, buyer beware. You are safe, you are too smart to fall for the lies of 9/11 truth.

[LastChild]

Meigs is an expert on 911 conspiracy theories. Who else would you give such a title to, and why?

You are dodging. How is Meigs anymore an expert to point to as evidence that someone for example like DRG is wrong?

ETA: In the HC documentary, Meigs /Coburn were expressing the collective opinion of their some-300 experts. So, in a way, they didn't have to be experts in their own right, they just had to relay the response of the experts.

And the truth movement has experts of their own in every field that back up things they claim. It's debated. It's opinion and theory not fact. The difference is you can get the truther experts to show their face.

In fact, they usually say something like "we talked to the experts, and they say....". I'm sure that was a lot easier than having the history channel producers track down and set up interviews with all 300 experts who gave responses to PM.

Apparently it was too difficult to even track down one of them. I mean if there is so many of them why do they need Meigs to assert their opinion for them? And did he assert it as just an opinion?

[nicepants]

You are dodging. How is Meigs anymore an expert to point to as evidence that someone for example like DRG is wrong?

Because he's researched and debunked DRG's claims and can say "DRG is wrong because the experts say X".

And the truth movement has experts of their own in every field that back up things they claim. It's debated. It's opinion and theory not fact. The difference is you can get the truther experts to show their face.

The TM has experts in Controlled Demolition that back up the claim of explosives in WTC 1 & 2? Who might those experts be?

Apparently it was too difficult to even track down one of them. I mean if there is so many of them why do they need Meigs to assert their opinion for them? And did he assert it as just an opinion?

Meigs/Coburn were not the only experts that the history channel interviewed. Be sure to watch the entire piece.

ETA: You keep dodging my question:

Who would you consider an "expert" on 911 conspiracy theories?

[uk_dave]

So he's not really selling anything? Thank you.

Now how about the History channel or PM. Have they made any money on purporting to debunk 911 conspiracies?

About that swamp land... why would I want it back?

I hope they made a packet!

You see what you don't get is that your lot are supposed to be fighting for truth and justice and are supposed to be putting their whole life into proving that 9-11 woz an inside jobby. They should be giving this stuff away for free and if that means selling the house and car and living in a cardboard box in the ozarks, then so be it. Apparently the future of your country depends on 'truth'. :rolleyes:

Whereas PM represent the status quo. They are providing an easily understandable narrative to answer questions people may have about 9-11. It really doesn't matter whether there are conspiracy theories or not. But there is a market for the pop.mech book and, since they're not out to change the world for the sake of mankind, there's nothing wrong with them being rewarded for their efforts.:cool:

[Par]

And the truth movement has experts of their own in every field that back up things they claim. It's debated. It's opinion and theory not fact.


Creationist: And the creationist movement has experts of their own in every field that back up things they claim. It's debated. It's opinion and theory not fact.

[DGM]

You are dodging. How is Meigs anymore an expert to point to as evidence that someone for example like DRG is wrong?



And the truth movement has experts of their own in every field that back up things they claim. It's debated. It's opinion and theory not fact. The difference is you can get the truther experts to show their face.



Apparently it was too difficult to even track down one of them. I mean if there is so many of them why do they need Meigs to assert their opinion for them? And did he assert it as just an opinion?
This argument is the silly. The History Channel can can present anything they wish. The side they take is theirs. What's your point? Is it that a TV documentary can do damage to your movement? Live with it or try to strengthen your arguments. If your point was as strong as you guys claim this show would not bother you one bit. The fact it does only shows how weak your arguments actually are.

[LastChild]

This argument is the silly. The History Channel can can present anything they wish. The side they take is theirs. What's your point? Is it that a TV documentary can do damage to your movement? Live with it or try to strengthen your arguments. If your point was as strong as you guys claim this show would not bother you one bit. The fact it does only shows how weak your arguments actually are.

Oh I wouldn't put too much faith in the belief that the History Channel is on your side just because of what they aired. You can watch something like "The men who killed Kennedy and then a show that purports proof by computer animation that Oswald acted alone back to back in the same day on the History channel. It’s no different then claiming Jowenko is on your side because of what he says about the towers while ignoring his opinion on WTC7. Or pointing to Van Romero's pressured revisionism a few days after 9/11 as opposed to his first impression expert opinion while knowing he was later given an appointment by the Bush administration.

[DGM]

Oh I wouldn't put too much faith in the belief that the History Channel is on your side just because of what they aired. You can watch something like "The men who killed Kennedy and then a show that purports proof by computer animation that Oswald acted alone back to back in the same day on the History channel. It’s no different then claiming Jowenko is on your side because of what he says about the towers while ignoring his opinion on WTC7. Or pointing to Van Romero's pressured revisionism a few days after 9/11 as opposed to his first impression expert opinion while knowing he was later given an appointment by the Bush administration.
Are you responding to my post? I sure doesn't seem like it.

So why is the "truth" movement so threatened by this documentary?

[LastChild]

Because he's researched and debunked DRG's claims and can say "DRG is wrong because the experts say X".

He hasn't debunked anything. And you're not answering. Has DRG not researched 9/11 and done it longer then Meigs?

The TM has experts in Controlled Demolition that back up the claim of explosives in WTC 1 & 2? Who might those experts be?

The Debunkers do? I hope you're not going to point to another magazine editor/amateur photographer as a demolition expert are you? Do I need to point out that Hugh Hefner isn't a centerfold?

Meigs/Coburn were not the only experts that the history channel interviewed. Be sure to watch the entire piece.

Really? Got any names? It's hard to remember too many nobodies.

ETA: You keep dodging my question:
Who would you consider an "expert" on 911 conspiracy theories?

I don't know that there is any such thing. But I do know if there is that Meigs is no more an expert or researcher then anyone in the truth movement.

[johnny karate]

LastChild:

None of us are actually affiliated with The History Channel, and thus would be unable to satifactorily address your concerns.

Perhaps you should contact them directly with your very pertinent questions so we can have this issue settled once and for all.

Here is their e-mail address:
thc.viewerrelations@aetv.com (thc.viewerrelations@aetv.com)

Good luck! and please let us know the results.

[LastChild]

Are you responding to my post? I sure doesn't seem like it.

So why is the "truth" movement so threatened by this documentary?

I didn't know they were. I never even saw it before the other day.

[LastChild]

LastChild:

None of us are actually affiliated with The History Channel, and thus would be unable to satifactorily address your concerns.

Perhaps you should contact them directly with your very pertinent questions so we can have this issue settled once and for all.

Here is their e-mail address:
thc.viewerrelations@aetv.com (thc.viewerrelations@aetv.com)

Good luck! and please let us know the results.

Oh that reminds me. I already did.

This is what I got...

Thank you for submitting a QUESTION/COMMENT through our automated FAQ Wizard.
We will do our best to send your inquiry to appropriate contacts at A&E Television Networks.
Thanks again for clicking with us!
Truly,
Viewer Relations
A&E Television Networks

[LastChild]

I hope they made a packet!

You see what you don't get is that your lot are supposed to be fighting for truth and justice and are supposed to be putting their whole life into proving that 9-11 woz an inside jobby. They should be giving this stuff away for free and if that means selling the house and car and living in a cardboard box in the ozarks, then so be it. Apparently the future of your country depends on 'truth'. :rolleyes:

Whereas PM represent the status quo. They are providing an easily understandable narrative to answer questions people may have about 9-11. It really doesn't matter whether there are conspiracy theories or not. But there is a market for the pop.mech book and, since they're not out to change the world for the sake of mankind, there's nothing wrong with them being rewarded for their efforts.:cool:

Why is there a market for the PM book? What are people looking for?

[Par]

I never even saw it before the other day.
Oh that reminds me. I already did. This is what I got...

Thank you for submitting a QUESTION/COMMENT through our automated FAQ Wizard. We will do our best to send your inquiry to appropriate contacts at A&E Television Networks. Thanks again for clicking with us! Truly, Viewer Relations A&E Television Networks


Well, the earliest you can have sent your comment is “the other day”. So, patience!

[DGM]

I didn't know they were. I never even saw it before the other day.
So you missed the excitement when it first aired. The "truth" leaders were screaming "hit piece" and set out to debunk it. It seemed to bother them quite badly.

As far as DRG or Avery and Co being experts on 9/11 conspiracies? Of course they are. That was my point about the argument being silly. Anyone with advanced knowledge would be. You have to say that Mark (Gravy) would fit the description as an expert.

[Par]

Why is there a market for the PM book? What are people looking for?


This is a salient question – for the philosophy forum.

[beachnut]

He hasn't debunked anything. And you're not answering. Has DRG not researched 9/11 and done it longer then Meigs?

I don't know that there is any such thing. But I do know if there is that Meigs is no more an expert or researcher then anyone in the truth movement.
DRG is a hearsay no fact person selling books with no reality on 9/11. Good choice as a nut case expert on 9/11 who looks so sane.

Meigs, yes the rational ideas of Meigs have you fooled since you only fall for the lies of 9/11 truth.

This is simple stuff... 9/11 truth preys on ignorance

[Mince]

Who’s buying all this stuff?


Uh, nobody.

[nicepants]

He hasn't debunked anything. And you're not answering. Has DRG not researched 9/11 and done it longer then Meigs?

1 - He has debunked plenty. Read the Popular Mechanics article, they debunk quite a few of the 911 conspiracist claims.

2 - The length of time spent researching is not the only factor. For example, 25 years of experience is not the same as 1 year of experience 25 times.

David Ray Griffin is still making claims that have been debunked, so he has either not done enough research, or he is trying to deceive people.

Is it your assertion that David Ray Griffin is a 9/11 conspiracy expert?

The Debunkers do? I hope you're not going to point to another magazine editor/amateur photographer as a demolition expert are you? Do I need to point out that Hugh Hefner isn't a centerfold?

I never suggested that a magazine editor or photographer was a demolition expert. In the HC piece, they did relay the statements of experts they had interviewed, but that's not the same thing as claiming to be experts.

1 - Experts whose opinions contradict the 9/11 conspiracy theories aren't always going to be considered "debunkers".

2 - See this list (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=9) for the names of experts consulted for the PM article/book. It is their opinions which were given when Meigs/Coburn gave the "expert responses".

Meigs/Coburn were not the only experts that the history channel interviewed. Be sure to watch the entire piece. Really? Got any names? It's hard to remember too many nobodies.

I watched the show when it was broadcast, but that was some time ago. I do remember them talking to other experts but cannot recall all of their names off the top of my head. I believe one of them was one of the engineers who designed the buildings. I suggest you watch the show for yourself.

Who would you consider an "expert" on 911 conspiracy theories? I don't know that there is any such thing.

1 - Are you contending that there is no such thing as an expert in 911 conspiracy theories? Why not?

But I do know if there is that Meigs is no more an expert or researcher then anyone in the truth movement.

...and how have you determined this?

[DGM]

Is it your assertion that David Ray Griffin is a 9/11 conspiracy expert?


I would have no problem calling him an expert in conspiracy theories. If you say "the events of 9/11" that would be another story.

[uk_dave]

Why is there a market for the PM book? What are people looking for?

Well the 'truth' movement is an obvious market for the book, dontcha think? After all they would want to be fully acquainted with all of the facts rather than spew nonsense wherever they roam.

The other market would be people who never had a full overview of the events of that day and don't really want to plough through the 911 commission report or the NIST report. It kinda puts the 'truther' assertion that we're all sheep and can't be bothered to read books to shame somewhat, doesn't it. The irony being that the 'truthers' seldom have anything to say unless accompanied by their own youtube video.

ETA: I've yet to see the History Channel or PM marketing t-shirts/coffee mug/mouse mats/BBQ Aprons with "911 was an outside job" printed on them.

[AMTMAN]

I don't remember any CT's being referred to as experts on the History channel.



Well maybe the ones they consulted with should have been the ones on the History Channel. Not some publicist fraud. Unless of course they couldn't get any of the actual experts to come on and assert that their opinions and theories were fact. Ya think?



What are Meigs or Coburn Professors in? What have they spent their life in? Why don't you try to find that for me?



I don't remember any of them being referred to as experts on the History channel. So tell me why is Meigs more of an expert then any of them?

Here's the important difference. David Ray Griffin is nothing more than a liar who makes a living repeating lies as if they are fact. Do you want to go over the list? My guess is you probably don’t since like most truthers you dare not question the Great Dr. Griffin.

Here's one for you that I know to be a lie. Not because someone said he was lying but from having actual access to the information that proves he is. Last year DRG said there were no air phones on Flight 77. Since I work for AA I have access to that sort of info. And guess what the maintenance records show? They were still on board and functional. Does DRG correct himself? No he does not; he just goes on repeating the same garbage as he always does.

By they way, thank you for showing yourself to be a hardcore truther.

[LastChild]

Here's the important difference. David Ray Griffin is nothing more than a liar who makes a living repeating lies as if they are fact. Do you want to go over the list? My guess is you probably don’t since like most truthers you dare not question the Great Dr. Griffin.

Here's one for you that I know to be a lie. Not because someone said he was lying but from having actual access to the information that proves he is. Last year DRG said there were no air phones on Flight 77. Since I work for AA I have access to that sort of info. And guess what the maintenance records show? They were still on board and functional. Does DRG correct himself? No he does not; he just goes on repeating the same garbage as he always does.

By they way, thank you for showing yourself to be a hardcore truther.

I don't remember claiming I wasn't interested in the truth. Just that I don't have any conspiracy theories I know to be proven correct whether they be alternative theories or the official version. I will say this though I feel the difference between what you call a hardcore truther and a debunker would be that …

the truther is still looking because they claim the truth has yet to be revealed…

while the debunker is also still looking and researching while at the same time claiming to already know the truth.

[nicepants]

I feel the difference between what you call a hardcore truther and a debunker would be that …

the truther is still looking because they claim the truth has yet to be revealed…

while the debunker is also still looking and researching while at the same time claiming to already know the truth.

I think you've got that a bit wrong:

Truthers already have their minds made up. How else can you explain someone coming to a conclusion that isn't supported by any evidence?

I don't know of ANY hardcore truthers who are still looking...if looking involves the possibility of finding anything that may contradict their already-established theories.

Take DRG, for example. If he was "still looking", he would have learned that he was wrong about the Air Phones claim. Yet he still holds to it.

The difference between truthers and skeptics is this:

Skeptics believe that the truth is more important than a belief.

Truthers believe that a belief is more important than the truth.

[LastChild]

Skeptics believe that the truth is more important than a belief.

Truthers believe that a belief is more important than the truth.[/B]

I think you assume who is the skeptic and who is the believer.

You are the one with the belief.

[nicepants]

I think you assume who is the skeptic and who is the believer.

You are the one with the belief.

Tell me....is David Ray Griffin a skeptic or a believer?

[beachnut]

I think you assume who is the skeptic and who is the believer.

You are the one with the belief.
You have a point, you have not brought a single fact to support a single idea of 9/11 truth. You have failed to show what you believe and to support they very thing you fail to define. If you are a 9/11 truth member your ignorance on 9/11 is complete, and you have found a group of your peers. If someone was to state what you believe about t9/11 they can be silent, you know zero about 9/11, and show no signs of improving the situation.

You could present what you have on 9/11, but so far you have not.

DRG must sell books to people who lack knowledge on 9/11. Just like Dylan's lies in LCFC. Are people who buy these things upset when they learn they have fallen for false ideas on 9/11?

[Father Dagon]

Kevin Barrett is falling behind the others in the merchandise range. He could have a self-assembly garden gallows, a Mark Roberts voodoo doll, truther nipple clamps...

He needs to get me on board.Well, anything that will diverse the twoofers from "classical" sex is good. Why not a whole slew of ultra effective sex toys? Eugenics, you know...

[nicepants]

Bump for LastChild

I think you assume who is the skeptic and who is the believer.

You are the one with the belief.

Tell me....is David Ray Griffin a skeptic or a believer?

[A W Smith]

Alex Jones is also selling internet access and web hosting
http://infowars.net/pictures/index%20pictures/101005ad.jpg

:dl:

[realitybites]

Ok, so this isn't a "truther" merchandise site, but it's by far the most ridiculous attempt at making money off of woo that I've yet to come across.

Survival System (http://survivalsystem.com/).

Basically, you need to buy their products because (bolding mine):

Federal officials now warn that future terrorism is certain. To capitalize on the impending chaos, the gov't is now sanctioning YOUR STATE to adopt new legislation allowing TROOPS to (a) CONFISCATE your home & property (including weapons) without compensation, (b) INJECT YOUR FAMILY with a toxic vaccines cultured on tissue of aborted fetuses, (c) QUARANTINE AND IMPRISON those who refuse innoculation, and (d) CLOSE THE ROADS to prevent escape!


Ya' know. It's bad enough that The Man would take my .45 without so much as a post-dated check in return, but I was willing to let that part slide. It's the toxic injection of vaccines grown on dead babies that really fired me up enough to get my credit card out.

[danielk]

Alex Jones is also selling internet access and web hosting
This is beyond parody.

[ref]

Ok, so this isn't a "truther" merchandise site, but it's by far the most ridiculous attempt at making money off of woo that I've yet to come across.

Survival System (http://survivalsystem.com/).

Basically, you need to buy their products because (bolding mine):




Ya' know. It's bad enough that The Man would take my .45 without so much as a post-dated check in return, but I was willing to let that part slide. It's the toxic injection of vaccines grown on dead babies that really fired me up enough to get my credit card out.


There are some crazy survival companies advertising at Alex's site and radio shows.

You gotta love the disclaimer at the end of your linked page, though.

Opinions posited herein not medical advice; they are based personal study rather than formal, medical indoctrination.

:D

[Tweeter]

Thats why you guys need to join the truth.
It`s where the money`s at!!
The American way!!

[danielk]

Thats why you guys need to join the truth.
It`s where the money`s at!!
The American way!!
You've got a point, Tweeter. The twoofers aren't real revolutionaries with the intent to rebuild society. They play along with the system just like everyone else. Ten years from now most of them will have other matters on their mind.

[uk_dave]

You've got a point, Tweeter. The twoofers aren't real revolutionaries with the intent to rebuild society. They play along with the system just like everyone else. Ten years from now most of them will have other matters on their mind.

Like what happened to those six years of their lives where they achieved absolutely nothing except learn a few new words/phrases, such as "Footprint", "Free-Fall", "Controlled Demolition" and, of course, "Therm(i/a)te"

[maccy]

Alex Jones is also selling internet access and web hosting
http://infowars.net/pictures/index%20pictures/101005ad.jpg



The thing that's hilarious is that he'll definitely be reliant on a some big company to provide the service he's re-selling. Also, even though there are large companies involved in Internet services, there isn't a monopoly. Jones uses the word "monopolies" - hey Alex, if there's more than one it's not a monopoly.

[eromitlab]

Alex Jones is also selling internet access and web hosting
http://infowars.net/pictures/index%20pictures/101005ad.jpg

:dl:

Internet access and webhosting that feeds corporate corruption is bad. Put your money where your mouth is and use your Internet-related dollars to feed gold old-fashioned patriotic American individual corruption! Do it now, before the Bilderbergs cut you off and your free speech gets CFR'd!

[uk_dave]

But I'm sure the 'truthers' will be attracted by the anonymous surfing package.;);)

[danielk]

But I'm sure the 'truthers' will be attracted by the anonymous surfing package.;);)
Which is hilarious, really, since it makes the NWO's job so much easier. Just wiretap their single point of failure, the twoof provider. It's as if they all moved into a shared building, with a huge transparent across the front which proudly declares "Nutbars here!"

Oh boy these guys have no sense left to lose.

[AMTMAN]

the truther is still looking because they claim the truth has yet to be revealed…
.

What I have seen from the so called truth movement is quite the opposite. When facts are pointed out to them they go into full on denial or attack mode. The air phones are a text book case of this.

[LastChild]

Bump for LastChild



Tell me....is David Ray Griffin a skeptic or a believer?

He's a skeptic of the official version.

[Unsecured Coins]

not one of them are selling "Inside Job" panties for the ladies? Oh come ON... that's millions waiting to be made there.

[Anti-sophist]

He's a skeptic of the official version.

Much like a conspiracy theory is more than just a theory containing a conspiracy, a skeptic is more than someone who is skeptical. Especially in the context of the JREF or more generally scientific skepticism.

Skeptics demand evidence. Skeptics don't keep being skeptical in the face of overwhelming evidence. Scientific skeptics are skeptical of UFO abductions, not the theory of evolution. Skepticism of an idea in the face of a mountain of evidence is no longer skepticism. It's denialism.

More to the point: He's not a skeptic. He's a denialist.

[Par]

He's a skeptic of the official version.


Just as David Irving is a “sceptic of the Holocaust”.

[AMTMAN]

Much like a conspiracy theory is more than just a theory containing a conspiracy, a skeptic is more than someone who is skeptical. Especially in the context of the JREF or more generally scientific skepticism.

Skeptics demand evidence. Skeptics don't keep being skeptical in the face of overwhelming evidence. Scientific skeptics are skeptical of UFO abductions, not the theory of evolution. Skepticism of an idea in the face of a mountain of evidence is no longer skepticism. It's denialism.

More to the point: He's not a skeptic. He's a denialist.

Very well put. He goes beyond being a denialist, when it comes right down to it he's a liar. He says thengs in his books that are not true. And when it's pointed out to him he does not even bother to correct himself.

[cisco]

Much like a conspiracy theory is more than just a theory containing a conspiracy, a skeptic is more than someone who is skeptical. Especially in the context of the JREF or more generally scientific skepticism.

Skeptics demand evidence. Skeptics don't keep being skeptical in the face of overwhelming evidence. Scientific skeptics are skeptical of UFO abductions, not the theory of evolution. Skepticism of an idea in the face of a mountain of evidence is no longer skepticism. It's denialism.

More to the point: He's not a skeptic. He's a denialist.

Bravo.

I propose we start calling 9/11 CT believers 'Truth-Deniers'.

[Unsecured Coins]

meanwhile, I will start up market research on "Inside Job" underwear. By God, I will have a fleet of Vipers in my garage by the time I'm 35, damn it

[Brainache]

meanwhile, I will start up market research on "Inside Job" underwear. By God, I will have a fleet of Vipers in my garage by the time I'm 35, damn it

I hope you don't market "Pull It" underwear for men.:duck:




If you do, I want royalties.

[bje]

I hope you don't market "Pull It" underwear for men.:duck:

....or marital aids.

[proxywar]

Does all of that money go to charity or do they run a hybrid scheme profit margin. Only a scum bag would even attempt to bank off 3,000 deaths.

[ref]

Does all of that money go to charity

No.

Richard Gage collects money to push forward his ae911truth.org website and to pay for computers, printers, software, lecture trips, traveling and to compensate to the contributors to his site.

Alex Jones.. collects money.

Loose Change crew claims some 10% goes to charity? I don't remember exactly.

Others. Collect money.

[proxywar]

That's beyond screwed up.

[T.A.M.]

Does all of that money go to charity or do they run a hybrid scheme profit margin. Only a scum bag would even attempt to bank off 3,000 deaths.

Welcome to the 9/11 truth movement. Look up the sales of David Ray Griffin's books. Look up the sales of Alex Jones videos. The list goes on.

Not even including the Fees they charge for talking at conferences, etc...

TAM:)

[Graham2001]

I'd be interested in finding out just what the various 9/11 CT peddlers are charged for the stickers they put up around town.

Here in Perth I've only run into the stickers twice, once on a train (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n213/Bloodwyche/911%20Bull/911Sticker.png) last year, and tonight where I found three stuck high up on various light poles in central Perth. (Sample (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n213/Bloodwyche/911%20Bull/911Crap.png))

What really interested me about the latest batch is that they all seem to originate with some group called 911sharethetruth who I have never heard of. All of the stickers had a US phone number on them which is absolutely useless in Australia.

It's quite clear that the Australian 911 'truth' movement is totally dependent on the American groups for their materials, certainly I've never seen any locally derived 911 material.

[Walter Ego]

I'd be interested in finding out just what the various 9/11 CT peddlers are charged for the stickers they put up around town.

Here in Perth I've only run into the stickers twice, once on a train (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n213/Bloodwyche/911%20Bull/911Sticker.png) last year, and tonight where I found three stuck high up on various light poles in central Perth. (Sample (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n213/Bloodwyche/911%20Bull/911Crap.png))

What really interested me about the latest batch is that they all seem to originate with some group called 911sharethetruth who I have never heard of. All of the stickers had a US phone number on them which is absolutely useless in Australia.

It's quite clear that the Australian 911 'truth' movement is totally dependent on the American groups for their materials, certainly I've never seen any locally derived 911 material.

Odd that the Aussie truthers would need to import material from the US when they could download images from the net and make the stuff themselves.

"911 Share The Truth" is here (http://www.911sharethetruth.com/). It's located in Bayside, Ca. and the phone number (707 area code) is on the webpage. It seems to be a one stop internet shop for all your 9-11 Truth needs.

DVD/VHS | Audio/Media CDs | DVD/CD Sleeves | Books | Magazines
Stickers | Full Color Stickers | Mini Stickers | Buttons | Deception Dollars
Info Cards/Sheets | Postcards | Posters | T-Shirts | Rubber Stamps
Quotes/Free Banners | Video for Viewing/Downloading | Grassroots Local Groups | Order Form

http://www.911sharethetruth.com/

[~enigma~]

I'm anxiously awaiting the sale of the CIT bobbleheads. Imagine Craig and Aldo sitting on your dashboard bobbling :D

[LastChild]

If the truth movement has already peaked or dead like some have claimed then who is buying all this crap?

Now is there anyone else racking in millions like the crooks that launched a war in the Middle East by using 9/11 as a springboard? I mean if some are really so offended and all then maybe some should concentrate on the real offenders.

[~enigma~]

If the truth movement has already peaked or dead like some have claimed then who is buying all this crap?

Now is there anyone else racking in millions like the crooks that launched a war in the Middle East by using 9/11 as a springboard? I mean if some are really so offended and all then maybe some should concentrate on the real offenders.
How do you make the logical leap from 9/11 Truth Movement Merchandise: A Detailed List to people buying? Ever consider taking a class in logic?

[LastChild]

How do you make the logical leap from 9/11 Truth Movement Merchandise: A Detailed List to people buying? Ever consider taking a class in logic?

Answer the question. Where's the market for this stuff? There hasn't ever in my experience been anything about 9/11 I haven't found covered for free on the internet.

My point is if there are some people really so offended by others who would exploit 9/11 for there own selfish agenda then one look no further then the likes of someone like this idiot right here...

http://www.impeachthem.com/files/images/bush_idiot.jpg

[Architect]

I think you may wish to recall the scorn heaped upon GWB on this site generally and the cynicism identified by many posters as to the way he used it to promote intervention in the Middle East.

[defaultdotxbe]

Answer the question. Where's the market for this stuff?
your question is fallacious, it assumes there is a market for the stuff, as enigma pointed out supply does not imply demand

as i mentioned previously in this thread alex jones trying to sell VHS tapes by the dozen indicates to me people arent buying them

look at all of PFT's garbage, its all on cafepress, if you arent familiar with their business model its on-demand production, theres no warehouse full of PFT merchandise, it only gets made when someone buys it, so they can offer all the stuff without needing any capital to produce it


so to answer your question, wheres the market for this? in the imaginations of the people trying to sell the merchandise

[~enigma~]

Answer the question.
Answer your question? You really are nuts. You expect me to answer your question whn I asked you something you sidestepped. What is even more ballsy of you is that you expect to be answered when you never answered anything I ever asked you.

[Graham2001]

Odd that the Aussie truthers would need to import material from the US when they could download images from the net and make the stuff themselves.

Actually it doesn't surprise me, I've never seen a 9/11 'truth' protest group in action in Perth, so I'm thinking it must be a very small group and they may not have the resources/imagination to make their own. I've only seen four 9/11 stickers in Perth over the years and three of those were last night.

It also fits the 'watch a video' mentality of truthers, it's so much easier to order your material ready made from someone else than to go out and create it yourself.

One thing I did notice though, most 'protest stickers' I've seen on lampposts (PETA, Greenpeace, et al) have been at waist height on the pole, the 9/11 stickers were much higher up, I'm about 2m in height and I had to reach up with my arm at full extension to take the stickers down.

Someone seeing them would be able to read the main slogan, but unable to read the website addresses.

[Magenta]

Actually it doesn't surprise me, I've never seen a 9/11 'truth' protest group in action in Perth, so I'm thinking it must be a very small group and they may not have the resources/imagination to make their own. I've only seen four 9/11 stickers in Perth over the years and three of those were last night.

It also fits the 'watch a video' mentality of truthers, it's so much easier to order your material ready made from someone else than to go out and create it yourself.

One thing I did notice though, most 'protest stickers' I've seen on lampposts (PETA, Greenpeace, et al) have been at waist height on the pole, the 9/11 stickers were much higher up, I'm about 2m in height and I had to reach up with my arm at full extension to take the stickers down.

Someone seeing them would be able to read the main slogan, but unable to read the website addresses.


This (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=1528)was the Perth group in action on the 11th. I'm pretty sure the OP of that thread is an admin at LCF. A previous thread had a photo of one of them in a Ron Paul T-shirt. :rolleyes:

911oz.com is highly derivative - there are more threads about US politics and police activities, than Australian.

[Graham2001]

This (http://www.911oz.com/forum/public/viewtopic.php?t=1528)was the Perth group in action on the 11th. I'm pretty sure the OP of that thread is an admin at LCF. A previous thread had a photo of one of them in a Ron Paul T-shirt. :rolleyes:

911oz.com is highly derivative - there are more threads about US politics and police activities, than Australian.

So that's where they are hiding, I'm surprised, the left-wing types usually hang around the Wesley Church in the area I've come to call 'Traitors Gate' (the corner with the four flagpoles)

The courtyard between the Alexandra Library & Art Gallery I associate with religious fruitcakes, my personal favorites were a group that thought the Biblical Armageddon happened in 1918.

Then again it does make sense, it's right next to the train station and that's the main route for people passing between the city center and Northbridge.

I haven't been there in quite a while and I think I'll be avoiding it on the 11th of each month.

Wonder how many people threw those DVDs away once they were out of sight?

[parky76]

The Truth is a very very profitable business.

=)

[Magenta]

The courtyard between the Alexandra Library & Art Gallery I associate with religious fruitcakes, my personal favorites were a group that thought the Biblical Armageddon happened in 1918.


They should have a lot in common with the truthers.

Wonder how many people threw those DVDs away once they were out of sight?


They do make handy drink coasters. :)

[jhunter1163]

They do make handy drink coasters. :)

Just ask Jean Chretien.

[ref]

Richard Gage has opened a new store. I have updated his merchandise list. The complete list is available here: http://911guide.googlepages.com/merchandise

Here is the updated Richard Gage part:


Richard Gage:

• 9/11: Blueprint for Truth The Architecture of Destruction — 2008 Version DVD 1-7 copies $20.00 each

• 9/11: Blueprint for Truth The Architecture of Destruction — 2008 Version DVD 10 pack $150.00

• 9/11: Blueprint for Truth The Architecture of Destruction — 2008 Version DVD 25 pack $250.00

• 9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD (2007) in paper sleeves 25 copies $37.50

• 9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD (2007) in paper sleeves 50 copies $62.50

• 9/11: Blueprint for Truth DVD (2007) in paper sleeves 100 copies $100.00

• Radio Interview with Richard Gage, Audio CD (single) 1 copy $5.00

• Radio Interview with Richard Gage, Audio CD (single) 10 copies $30.00

• Radio Interview with Richard Gage, Audio CD (single) 50 copies $50.00

• The DVD Companion Key Map Card: 10 pack for $5.00, 50 pack for $10.00, 100 pack for $15.00, 500 pack for $50.00

• WTC Twin Towers Explosive Evidence Cards: 10 pack for $5.00, 50 pack for $10.00, 100 pack for $15.00, 500 pack for $50.00

• '11 Remarkable Facts About 9/11' WTC 7 Evidence Cards: 10 for $5.00, 50 for $10.00, 100 for $15.00, 500 for $50.00

• The Ultimate 9/11 Truth T-Shirt "Explosive Evidence" $18.00

• Examine The Evidence AE911Truth Sticker $2.00

• AE911Truth Brochure (100 Pack) $8.00

• AE911Truth Vinyl Banner Got Street Visibility? $95 Table — 72" by 30" (6 ft. wide)

• AE911Truth Vinyl Banner Got Street Visibility? $250 Street — 111" x 46" (marches, freeway overpasses, protests, etc.)

• Available donation amounts range from $10/month to $911/month. That equals to $120-$10932/year.

• Sells A/E lunch meetings with accompanying slide presentations. Prices range from $9.00 to $900.00 / any $-amount

• $100 minimum for one-time donations


Items available in store, other than AE911Truth products:

• 5 books from David Ray Griffin $14.00-$20.00 per item

• 9/11 Mysteries DVD $16.00

• 9/11 - The Myth & The Reality DVD (David Ray Griffin lecture) $20.00

• 9/11 - Let's Get Empirical DVD (David Ray Griffin) $20.00

• 9/11 Revisited: Scientific & Ethical Questions DVD (Steven Jones & Kevin Ryan) $15.00

http://www.ae911truth.org/store.php
http://www.ae911truth.org/sustain.php
http://www.ae911truth.org/donate.php?b=mih

[ref]

And I will update others too sometime soon. But it's a thought journey trying to keep up with all the Alex Jones products out there ;)