news:ufo footage near san diego 1_1_2008

[kosai]

Saw this on digg with 893 diggs it will likely make front page.

http://dailymotion.alice.it/relevance/search/UFO/video/x3ypem_newsufo-footage-near-san-diego-1120_news

Seems like those paper lanterns again to me much like the mass sighting in the UK last year, that or some drunken greys tried to drive home after the new years party.

[Brown]

Yeah, the floating lanterns seem to be a pretty good bet. Nothing in that video even hints at any advanced extraterrestrial technology.

[kosai]

Plus the time of night... 30 minutes after a presumable midnight launch, anyone know how long those burn for?

[baron]

If you were to describe what paper lanterns looked like, and how they might be expected to behave, you couldn't get a much better account than on this video.

[Wolverine]

"Those are the anti nuclear missile missiles!"

Outstanding. http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3749/biggrinhl8.gif

[biomorph]

Plus the time of night... 30 minutes after a presumable midnight launch, anyone know how long those burn for?

using a standard type of nightlight in the right conditions 30 minutes or more in calm conditions would not be out of the question, if you use some other type of candle probably more, maybe......


they are very dependant on weather conditions being calm though......

[XBoxWarrior]

Maybe those were the space ships the "Heaven's Gate" crowd was waiting for? :confused:

They just didn't wait looonnnnngggg enough...

[historian]

Looks like the reall macoy to me. But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

[FramerDave]

Looks like the reall macoy to me. But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

Could you tell us what about them leads you to conclude this?

[Creekfreak]

We saw one down here around new years too 1 witness besides me that I know of around 2 in the morning one bright light moveing across the sky very high .

[kosai]

We saw one down here around new years too 1 witness besides me that I know of around 2 in the morning one bright light moveing across the sky very high .

"Around" new years? You don't know the date? If I saw a UFO I'm pretty sure I'd remember that day forever.

[devnull]

We saw one down here around new years too 1 witness besides me that I know of around 2 in the morning one bright light moveing across the sky very high .

If it made noise, it was a plane. If not, it was a satellite.

Reminds me of a local UFO summoner that a skeptic group took a look at.

They were driving to a location, and when they arrived he was already very excited about the UFO that had been following them along the way.

The UFO ended up being mars, but that didnt dampen his enthusiasm, apparently.

[JWideman]

Looks like the reall macoy to me. But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

Nobody denies that people see stuff in the sky they can't identify.

[kosai]

If it made noise, it was a plane. If not, it was a satellite.

Reminds me of a local UFO summoner that a skeptic group took a look at.

They were driving to a location, and when they arrived he was already very excited about the UFO that had been following them along the way.

The UFO ended up being mars, but that didnt dampen his enthusiasm, apparently.

The bigger the UFO... the better the chance of life on board.

[Olowkow]

Looks like the reall macoy to me. But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

Could you tell us what about them leads you to conclude this?

They were --Unidentified---Flying-----Objects.
And you can take that "reall macoy" to the bank.

No more UFO denial for me!

[MG1962]

I for one welcome our new Alien Balloon Overlords

[Creekfreak]

I dont think it was a satellite Ive worked off shore and have seen many of them even the space station .
This was much biger and faster then a satellite and it arked just like they said in the film like it was going around the earth but in space .
I dident get to excited about it but it did catch my eye you seen to forget Ive been face to face with an 8 ft bigfoot so not much rattles me anymore .
Hell they could have been droping off more of those hairy basterds to complicate my life more then it allready is !

[Correa Neto]

Why those alien pilots can't even fly in formation?

[kosai]

Why those alien pilots can't even fly in formation?

Not in formation TO YOU... Maybe it spells Happy New Year in alien letters.

[historian]

Just so that we are all on the same page here. Henceforth, all night time photos of UFOs shall be labeled "Paper lanterns". Furthermore, all Bigfoot photos, shall henceforth be labeled, "bear with mange". Any questions? Carry on gentleman. Our country salutes you for your efforts in heading off presumed "mass hysteria" based on the inability of the average American to deal with, dare I say it, REALITY.

[LTC8K6]

They look exactly like parachute flares to me.

[Olowkow]

They look exactly like parachute flares to me.

Curious why no one chased them down in their car. Why doesn 't the media follow this stuff up and get more interviews? Since folks seem to be so interested.

Looked like a bunch of hot air baloon lanterns to me. New Years celebration?

http://www.fox6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5d3fe39d-da96-41eb-a415-6f2d645b1a61

We used to send them up years ago out in the country. They go very high. Parachute flares come down, balloons go up.

[historian]

They look exactly like parachute flares to me.

Parachutes cannot defy gravity. But you get an NSA bonus for sewing seeds of doubt in regard to the lights not being UFOs. Attaboy, Cuddos.

[historian]

Curious why no one chased them down in their car. Why doesn 't the media follow this stuff up and get more interviews? Since folks seem to be so interested.

Looked like a bunch of hot air baloon lanterns to me. New Years celebration?

http://www.fox6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=5d3fe39d-da96-41eb-a415-6f2d645b1a61

We used to send them up years ago out in the country. They go very high. Parachute flares come down, balloons go up.

So please tell us how you got the balloons to be widely space over several miles, yet not only be at the same altitude, but remain at the same altitude and remain at a constant spacing. Almost as if they were intelligently guided to remain in a pattern. I have got to hear this.

[baron]

So please tell us how you got the balloons to be widely space over several miles, yet not only be at the same altitude, but remain at the same altitude and remain at a constant spacing. Almost as if they were intelligently guided to remain in a pattern. I have got to hear this.

Someone released them at intervals of several minutes. They rise at the same speed because they are constructed in a similar fashion and exhibit the same characteristics. They travel in the same direction because that's the way the wind blows. They travel at the same speed because that's the velocity at which the wind blows. K?

[LTC8K6]

Curious why no one chased them down in their car.

They are likely way too far away to chase down in a car.

By the time you reached the area where they were released, there'd be no sign of them anymore, and even if still lit, they'd have drifted quite a ways.

People in Arizona swore the lights were close to them in that famous incident. It soon became obvious that all of the lights were actually beyond a mountain range in the distance because they all were blocked by it when they descended low enough.

All you can see of these flares when you are far away is just the ball of light.

[LTC8K6]

Things on parachutes can go up in updrafts.

It's very difficult to judge points of light in the sky.

A string of lights in an arc is textbook military parachute flares, imo.

[Fnord]

It takes three 18" helium balloons to carry one "Light Stick" to about 5000 feet, and to keep it there for an hour or more.

San Diego is a great place to spend New Year's Eve...

[kosai]

Looks like the reall macoy to me. But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

I thought you were kidding but after reading further posts you seem to actually think these are "reall macoy" UFO's... I'd like to know then, what exactly is a "real UFO"?? This is already a UFO as we haven't identified with any certainty what they are and it does seem to be a flying object. I don't think anyone here will tell you it's not a UFO, however what would make you believe they are of extraterrestrial origin or in *any* way significant?

The reason we said they are likely paper lanterns is not part of any government cover up, it's because they look and behave exactly like a previous "sighting" in the UK, which was found to likely be paper lanterns. You can read about that here:

http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/content/islington/gazette/news/story.aspx?brand=ISLGOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newsislg&itemid=WeED07%20Feb%202007%2010%3A42%3A33%3A273

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvMymH4QcC0

http://www.blather.net/zeitgeist/archives/2007/08/ufos_over_bushey_were_chinese.html

[FramerDave]

Looks like the reall macoy to me. But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

Perhaps if I rephrase my question:

What exactly about this footage leads you to believe that they are not paper lanterns? What leads you to the conclusion that they are alien spacecraft?

Granted, you never outright said you thought they were alien craft, but your subsequent posts strongly point in that direction. Please correct me if I have assumed incorrectly.

[historian]

Gee, wasn't there about 8 or 9 lights? So that means that 8 or 9 people had to coordinate with walkie talkies, all on the same frequency and release their alleged lanterns or balloons at precisely the exact same moment. Then, incredibly, there was no swirling winds aloft that would change their apparent spacing. Any balloonist can tell you that there are always swirling winds and that no two, much less 9 balloons can keep the same spacing for an extended period of time. 8 or 9 people are not going to buy walkie talkies just so that they can pull off a hoax. Furthermore, they are going to call in and confess in order to take credit for it. Why were they not lanterns? The lights were too far away and thus to bright to have been lanterns. That is 4 reasons why the lights were likely UFO's. Where have you guys been all of your lives. Under a rock?

[athon]

Gee, wasn't there about 8 or 9 lights? So that means that 8 or 9 people had to coordinate with walkie talkies, all on the same frequency and release their alleged lanterns or balloons at precisely the exact same moment.

Is this seriously how you think? Wow. Just...wow.

Try this: a small group of people in a clearing set off lanterns one after the other in intervals. Nothing complicated, no need for anything so ridiculous as coordination of walkie-talkies. Several people (hell, one person could do it, for what it's worth), a number of lanterns, each lit and set off in sequence. They each then have approximately the same distance between them, and each moves in the same way as they are all driven by the same mechanism - wind.

Why does this need to be so complicated?

Then, incredibly, there was no swirling winds aloft that would change their apparent spacing.

Swirling winds? It's an air current! Unless there's something to create eddies, or there's high winds, it's unlikely to be a lot of disturbance.

Any balloonist can tell you that there are always swirling winds and that no two, much less 9 balloons can keep the same spacing for an extended period of time.

Ah, I see. When in doubt, make things up. Gotcha. I can see you're not a balloonist, or have ever been ballooning. Balloonists can actually achieve quite accurate coordinations in appropriate conditions. People have even gone tight-rope walking between them, something you can't do if the atmosphere is full of ramaging, swirling eddies like you're insinuating.

8 or 9 people are not going to buy walkie talkies just so that they can pull off a hoax. Furthermore, they are going to call in and confess in order to take credit for it. Why were they not lanterns? The lights were too far away and thus to bright to have been lanterns.

Nonsense. Absolute bollocks.

That is 4 reasons why the lights were likely UFO's. Where have you guys been all of your lives. Under a rock?

Ah, nice touch from the guy who has evidentally little idea of how meterology works.

Athon

[kosai]

1.) Or... They don't need walkie talkies at all, they were all in one place and let their lanterns go at the same time (12:00AM Jan 1st 2008.) Wouldn't this be more likely?

2.) They aren't at all spaced equally in the video. If they are all the same size, weight, and shape and they were released from one place the weather conditions will affect them all similarly.

3.) No hoax needed, see above.

4.) Without knowing the size or brightness of the objects there is no way you can say they were too bright nor not bright enough to be chinese lanterns.

Finally, I already said they are UFO's. However, I think they are made of paper.

[godless dave]

Who said anything about a hoax? It's a New Year's Eve celebration.

[Astrophotographer]

These types of balloons have caused numerous UFO sightings in the past few years in the UK. The displays have been very similar so I don't know why it is being questioned as a likely explanation. Only a true believer in the paranormal would try and explain it as something extraordinary rather than something ordinary.

[Olowkow]

My house got hit by lightning the other night. Very odd. We slept right through it. Came in on the phone line, blew the phone line in two, travelled about 40 feet on the roof trim, blew a hole in the roof, and took out a bunch of electronics. No fire. :relieved:

My buddies at work are convinced it was a meteorite. I thought it was a raccoon at first. My wife and I were looking under the couches for animals.:)

Hmm. How can I decide? :wide-eyed

[David Wong]

Gee, wasn't there about 8 or 9 lights? So that means that 8 or 9 people had to coordinate with walkie talkies, all on the same frequency and release their alleged lanterns or balloons at precisely the exact same moment. Then, incredibly, there was no swirling winds aloft that would change their apparent spacing...

So you find the possibility of balloons "incredible" but find the possibility of alien spaceships credible?

Fascinating.

[Linda777NJ]

If I were an alien traveling thousands of light years to get to the little blue ball the inhabitants call "Earth" ....of course, I would get all of my friends to come along , in separate vehicles and do a fly over. :rolleyes:

[George]

historian
8 or 9 people are not going to buy walkie talkies just so that they can pull off a hoax.You mean walkie-talkies manufactured by these people > Nokia, Blackberry, Ericsson, Hitachi, i-mate, LG, Motorola, NEC, Panasonic, Sagem, Sanyo, Sharp and last and by all means least Siemens.

err, that's enough cell phones for now lads. Ed.

[Garrette]

Yeah, the floating lanterns seem to be a pretty good bet. Nothing in that video even hints at any advanced extraterrestrial technology.You forget how long the aliens have been visiting us. Consider the technological advances on earth since Roswell in the 60 years since Roswell and multiply by Garrette's Alien Constant (GAC) and the technological advance is simply incomprehensible.

UFOs no longer need appear as UFOs. ET makes 'em look like lanterns now to confuse us.

[George]

I dont think it was a satellite Ive worked off shore and have seen many of them even the space station .
This was much biger and faster then a satellite and it arked just like they said in the film like it was going around the earth but in space .
I dident get to excited about it but it did catch my eye you seen to forget Ive been face to face with an 8 ft bigfoot so not much rattles me anymore .
Hell they could have been droping off more of those hairy basterds to complicate my life more then it allready is !

Cf, you've worked offshore you say?
I'm prepared to pay top dollar for a genuine photo of one these creatures...


http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/pirates/kraken72.gif


Can you help?

[William Parcher]

Why that's a giant octopus of colossal size! Nobody has ever found one of these. The cryptozoologists do indeed entertain the possibility that they exist (or did in times of tall ships). If a skeptic cannot prove that they don't exist it remains on these folks' table. The oceans can hide a lot, but they do cough up dead giant squids with some regularity.

[historian]

You mean walkie-talkies manufactured by these people > Nokia, Blackberry, Ericsson, Hitachi, i-mate, LG, Motorola, NEC, Panasonic, Sagem, Sanyo, Sharp and last and by all means least Siemens.

err, that's enough cell phones for now lads. Ed.

George, why don't you come clean on this one? In your world, do UFO's exist? I am just trying to figure out whether I am talking to a wall here.

[Kiosk]

Looks exactly the same as the "UFO sighting" in London last year. Someone better stop selling Chinese paper lanterns before the world dissolves into panic.

I was there for the sighting in Archway, London - I live nearby, and happened to be walking through Archway at the time. People were looking up (which is why I noticed the things) - but really, no one was screaming, no one was running around expecting an imminent alien invasion, it was just something interesting to look at. I even overheard one bloke say "they look like those lantern things". Sure enough, it turned out a Chinese family were celebrating a birthday in the local park and had released some lanterns, and the wind was blowing in that direction. Anyway, it looked pretty much the same as this.

It was New Year's Day, for crying out loud - don't tell me no one in San Diego owned some paper lanterns and was waiting for a party to let them off.

[Fnord]

I've never had a Chinese Paper Lantern work correctly. That's why I switched to helium balloons and light sticks. They're safer, too! Hard to start a brushfire with a light stick.

[Ashles]

So that means that 8 or 9 people had to coordinate with walkie talkies, all on the same frequency and release their alleged lanterns or balloons at precisely the exact same moment.
...
8 or 9 people are not going to buy walkie talkies just so that they can pull off a hoax.

I refuse to believe this is a real poster.

"It MUST be aliens because the concept of 8 or 9 people buying walkie talkies is just the crazy stuff of wild science fiction!"


Historian being a genuine poster is just not possible. Must be a troll. A very consistent troll with way too much spare time, but, ultimately, a troll.

[VespaGuy]

George, why don't you come clean on this one? In your world, do UFO's exist? I am just trying to figure out whether I am talking to a wall here.

If you are using the standard definition of UFO then, yes, Unidentified Flying Objects do exist. These lights in the sky haven't been positively identified, therefore they are, by definition, unidentified flying objects (UFOs).

What folks here have been pointing out is that there is most-likely a rational explaination for this and other UFOs.

However, if you are mistakenly saying that "UFO = extraterestrial spacecraft", you're going to need better evidence than "walkie-talkies are too expensive" to convince people.

[Drudgewire]

But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

REALITY.
THAT'S what you're in denial of. :p

[George]

George, why don't you come clean on this one? In your world, do UFO's exist? I am just trying to figure out whether I am talking to a wall here.


Well I thought the best way to illustrate the silliness of the walkie-talkie argument was to use sarcasm, evidently it didn’t work.

My point is, very few people in that area are unlikely to have a cell phone. So that sort of negates the communication problem.

In my world UFOs do indeed exist.
Only half an hour ago I saw two dots in the distance, one of them veered south just like the nine O-clock flight from Manchester does every evening (BAe ATP).
The other one was in hot pursuit firing purple plasma bolts at the unfortunates on the Easyjet flight, it was about 2.38742 Kilometre’s long and 6.0402 ½ furlongs wide.
Don’t know what that one was though.

[godless dave]

The walkie-talkie/cell phone discussion is a red herring. No coordination is needed. One person could do this by releasing balloons or lanterns from one location at regular intervals.

[Fnord]

The walkie-talkie/cell phone discussion is a red herring. No coordination is needed. One person could do this by releasing balloons or lanterns from one location at regular intervals.

... or get a bunch of friends together, train them in how to make and launch said lanterns, and agree to do it at a pre-determined time.

You know ... a conspiracy!

[Beerina]

Looks like the reall macoy to me. But then, I am not living in denial of UFO's, like some others here obviously are.

What part of "balloons with candles" isn't working for you?

[ToddH]

I think it was a few "invisible bigfoots." The lights were coming from their inter-dimensional portals that appear when they want to enter our dimension.

[Olowkow]

So please tell us how you got the balloons to be widely space over several miles, yet not only be at the same altitude, but remain at the same altitude and remain at a constant spacing.


Almost as if they were intelligently guided to remain in a pattern. I have got to hear this.

Bingo! Correct answer.:)

[patchbunny]

It takes three 18" helium balloons to carry one "Light Stick" to about 5000 feet, and to keep it there for an hour or more.

San Diego is a great place to spend New Year's Eve...

That a 6" lightstick, or one of the longer ones? They come up to 15", ya know.

/files that away for future reference/

--Patch