Wonder how many of these people were "skeptics"...?

[mayday]

Get a load of this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080114/ap_on_fe_st/odd_ufo_sightings

[kosai]

Multiple sightings are by far the most interesting of the UFO reports, but I think you have to watch for mass hysteria. When one person sees a UFO it seems to spread through a community. When they start putting up some photos or video I think we can judge it better but a few people saying we saw something in the sky isn't really evidence. I'd assume there's only one "skeptic" as you see them in this story...

"Lewis said the object may have been an illusion caused by two commercial airplanes. Lights from the aircraft would seem unusually bright and may appear orange from the setting sun."

Converging aircraft in the setting sun.... likely for a dozen people? Seems pretty far fetched to me too.

[Married2aWooster]

I'm going with this (http://uav.navair.navy.mil/new_firescout/photos/fs_photos.htm) , or one of it's brethren.

[Babbylonian]

I wonder how you get dozens of Americans seeing something they call a "UFO" and don't even get one picture (even a blurry one).

[CFLarsen]

I wonder how you get dozens of Americans seeing something they call a "UFO" and don't even get one picture (even a blurry one).

....especially in these days of camcorders and cell phone cameras, which record all kinds of traffic accidents and other events, which make it to the news...

[Wolverine]

....especially in these days of camcorders and cell phone cameras, which record all kinds of traffic accidents and other events, which make it to the news...

And even putting the silly "end times" statement aside from one of the witnesses...

...a freight company owner and pilot who said the object he saw last week was a mile long and half a mile wide.

...you'd think an object of that size would be just a little conspicuous.

[fuelair]

And even putting the silly "end times" statement aside from one of the witnesses...



...you'd think an object of that size would be just a little conspicuous.
I'd also be a touch leery about his bids on hauling stuff.

[Wolverine]

I'd also be a touch leery about his bids on hauling stuff.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4306/slappyqz7.gif

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

So where are the photos? This is the 21st century. Everyone has a camera. What, not in the Bible Belt?

~~ Paul

[mayday]

And even putting the silly "end times" statement aside from one of the witnesses...



...you'd think an object of that size would be just a little conspicuous.

I think a lot of people misinterperet what religious people say when they talk about the end times. Johnny Cash wrote a great song, probably one of the best ones he'd ever written, on his last album before he died, called When the Man comes around. You'd think he's talking about the Second Coming and the Rapture but he's really talking about death.

Anyway...apparently it was conspicuous. They're real, I tell you. My husband saw them when he lived in the Berkshires in Massachussettes.

[Miss Whiplash]

Of course UFOs are real. The acronym simply means something seen in the sky is not readily identified.

What did your husband see? A flying waitress? An overcooked steak that needed recooking?

[grayman]

Anyway...apparently it was conspicuous. They're real, I tell you. My husband saw them when he lived in the Berkshires in Massachussettes.

Odd, I lived in the Connecticut River Valley of Massachusetts most of my life and never saw one. UFOs must like the hills.

I also had a friend that used to fly his plane along the roads, sneaking up behind cars at night while flashing his landing light on and off. It's a wonder there weren't more UFOs reported.

[Loss Leader]

I have no doubt that these people saw a UFO in that it was in the sky and they were unable to identify it.

There's no real trick to seeing a UFO. The trick is in ruling out terestrial sources.

[Locknar]

I think a lot of people misinterperet what religious people say when they talk about the end times. Johnny Cash wrote a great song, probably one of the best ones he'd ever written, on his last album before he died, called When the Man comes around. You'd think he's talking about the Second Coming and the Rapture but he's really talking about death.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the OP; and the song in question is titled "The Man Comes Around", the title track from "American IV: The Man Comes Around" (2002).

Anyway...apparently it was conspicuous. They're real, I tell you. <snip>Are UFOs real...of course; there are lots of things people see in the sky they can not readily identify.

Does this mean that UFOs are ET/Alien space-craft, here on a mission to mutilate cattle, and anal probe all of man kind (two of the most frequent alien abduction claims)…seems rather unlikely. What does your pendulim say about all this?

[Cuddles]

You'd think he's talking about the Second Coming and the Rapture but he's really talking about death.

You'd only think that if you hadn't actually heard the song. Aside from the fact that he's very obviously talking about death, the bit where he says that the man is death is kind of a giveaway.

[FramerDave]

<snip> Does this mean that UFOs are ET/Alien space-craft, here on a mission to mutilate cattle, and anal probe all of man kind (two of the most frequent alien abduction claims)…seems rather unlikely. What does your pendulim say about all this?

Speaking of pendulums, how's that number prediction experiment coming along, Mayday? Any chance we'll be seeing some numbers soon?

[fuelair]

I'm not sure what this has to do with the OP; and the song in question is titled "The Man Comes Around", the title track from "American IV: The Man Comes Around" (2002).

Are UFOs real...of course; there are lots of things people see in the sky they can not readily identify.

Does this mean that UFOs are ET/Alien space-craft, here on a mission to mutilate cattle, and anal probe all of man kind (two of the most frequent alien abduction claims)…seems rather unlikely. What does your pendulim say about all this?

Be very glade they aren't anally probing cattle and mutilating all of man-kind.


Or, perhaps an SF version of Pulp Fiction, where an alien anally probes the big boss and Bruce W. is allowed to live after saving him and delivering an alien for the after-sex party.

[Terry]

What interests me is that there seem to be few amateur astronomers who report UFO sightings. You'd think with their hobby being looking at the sky night after night, that they would be seeing these things all the time...

[MG1962]

What interests me is that there seem to be few amateur astronomers who report UFO sightings. You'd think with their hobby being looking at the sky night after night, that they would be seeing these things all the time...

We do - you would be hard pressed to find an amature astronomer without at least one good UFO story in them. The difference, we see it as a lack of knowledge on our part, as to what the phenomena was - rather than the automatic leap of faith that it is of extra-terestrial origin.

Many years ago I was with a group at a star party when this massive V shaped object cut across the sky - scared a weeks growth out of us - and no one had a clue.

We contacted some professionals - their first question was how distinct was the object - everyone agreed it had a ghostly hard to define shape - rather than the hard edges of a plane wing etc

The explanation - a small meteor entered the upper atmosphere, hit an area of high moisture - what we saw was the bow wave it created as moved through this humid air

In my mind that was way cooler than a garden variety UFO comming to suck my brains out

[Terry]

Seeing things, yes. Lots and lots of cool things. Not seeing alien spacecraft, which clearly are the only possible explanation </sarcasm> of stuff like the OP.

[Babbylonian]

Here's another question I had when reading the story: How is that only a subset of observers reported jets chasing the UFO? In my experience (used to live close to our local Air National Guard base which flew F-4s in my youth and now flies F-15s), even at altitude jet aircraft are extremely loud and this UFO was supposedly flying "low." If there actually were fighters chasing the thing, every observer should have reported them and everyone else in Stephenville should have heard them. Seems like yet another sign of some folks trying to make something out of nothing.

[mayday]

Of course UFOs are real. The acronym simply means something seen in the sky is not readily identified.

What did your husband see? A flying waitress? An overcooked steak that needed recooking?


There you go. How long can you ride that little carpet?

[mayday]

Odd, I lived in the Connecticut River Valley of Massachusetts most of my life and never saw one. UFOs must like the hills.

I also had a friend that used to fly his plane along the roads, sneaking up behind cars at night while flashing his landing light on and off. It's a wonder there weren't more UFOs reported.

I have to wonder what kind of idiot finds something that dangerous amusing and entertaining.

Anyway, the old man says he used to live a few miles from the Rowe Nuclear Power Plant. He says out of all the places he has lived in his life that was the only place he saw them. He saw them lots of times and most of the neighbors did, too, in the little town of Heath, Mass.

Him and a friend were out about 10:30pm and they saw all these lights around and thought it was maybe a police car in back of them or something. So, he stuck his head out the window and there was nothing in back of him, so he looked up and there was circular colored lights right above the trees, totally silent, just lights, light up all around the vehicle. He hit the gas and got out of there ASAP. In fact, his friend's name was Wade Habel. It freaked them out good. He saw them a lot of times after that, too. It would look like stars darting around the sky. There were even aliens on the ground.

[Hamradioguy]

Interesting. I used to do emergency preparedness planning involving many of the towns around the Yankee Rowe nuclear plant. Spent a lot of time in that area including evening training and drills and never saw anything unusual. And none of the locals who attended the training I did ever mentioned unusual lights in the sky. Maybe they didn't think any lights they saw were unusual enough to tell me about.

Fifty plus years of amateur astronomy and I have yet to see a UFO. Of course I've seen artificial satellites, bolides, meteors, B52s refuling at night (really weird sight), auroras, Iridium flares, sun dogs...all sorts of things. But never a UFO. What am I doing wrong?

[Hokulele]

A lot of that is the power of suggestion as well. Once one person says "Look at the UFO!", that's what everyone sees. Our house lines up with one of the flight paths in to the local airport, and we often see planes with their landing lights on coming straight at us. Anyone could easily mistake it for a UFO. It's funny how whenever I point out the bright light and say "Look at the plane!", no one then thinks it looks like a UFO.

[Ladewig]

I think a lot of people misinterperet what religious people say when they talk about the end times. Johnny Cash wrote a great song, probably one of the best ones he'd ever written, on his last album before he died, called When the Man comes around. You'd think he's talking about the Second Coming and the Rapture but he's really talking about death.


What a strange [/]non sequitur[/i]. The man in the quoted article says "end of times" and clearly is referring to Bible's prophecies about what will happen just before Christ returns. I am surprised that you believe many religious people mean something other than that when talking about end times. Jesus spends all of the 24th chapter of Matthew describing these end times and it is considered an important part of the foundation of Christianity.

[mayday]

Interesting. I used to do emergency preparedness planning involving many of the towns around the Yankee Rowe nuclear plant. Spent a lot of time in that area including evening training and drills and never saw anything unusual. And none of the locals who attended the training I did ever mentioned unusual lights in the sky. Maybe they didn't think any lights they saw were unusual enough to tell me about.

Fifty plus years of amateur astronomy and I have yet to see a UFO. Of course I've seen artificial satellites, bolides, meteors, B52s refuling at night (really weird sight), auroras, Iridium flares, sun dogs...all sorts of things. But never a UFO. What am I doing wrong?

Yep, you sure sound like the ultimate authority.

Maybe you aren't doing anything wrong but maybe you aren't as observant as you think you are.

The old man doesn't lie. He had these experiences in 1977-1978.

Was the area specifically Heath or Rowe Mass? Who did you know there? When you say no one ever mentioned UFOs is it because it was never a topic of conversation?

Do the things you mention move across the sky at high altitudes, stop, change directions...hmm? I'm sitting here reading this to the old man and he tells me he had a close up encounter, too. Close encounter of the third Kind.

[mayday]

What a strange [/]non sequitur[/i]. The man in the quoted article says "end of times" and clearly is referring to Bible's prophecies about what will happen just before Christ returns. I am surprised that you believe many religious people mean something other than that when talking about end times. Jesus spends all of the 24th chapter of Matthew describing these end times and it is considered an important part of the foundation of Christianity.

Preterists don't think that.

[mayday]

Interesting. I used to do emergency preparedness planning involving many of the towns around the Yankee Rowe nuclear plant. Spent a lot of time in that area including evening training and drills and never saw anything unusual. And none of the locals who attended the training I did ever mentioned unusual lights in the sky. Maybe they didn't think any lights they saw were unusual enough to tell me about.

Fifty plus years of amateur astronomy and I have yet to see a UFO. Of course I've seen artificial satellites, bolides, meteors, B52s refuling at night (really weird sight), auroras, Iridium flares, sun dogs...all sorts of things. But never a UFO. What am I doing wrong?

AND FOR THAT MATTER, IF YOU HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN A UFO MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TALK TO THE DOZENS WHO HAVE SEEN THE ONES IN TEXAS, HAMRADIOGUY.

What is your call sign? I've got a license and the old man has that advanced one. I started to go for the general license but I had too many other coals in the fire and now my Gordon West book is outdated. I do have a Yaesu radio, just a cheap job (2800) but it hits the local repeater just fine, though I rarely ever talk on it. In fact, I studied for my license in about two hours and passed missing the maximum number of questions allowed (9). I'm lucky, though, the woman sitting on the other side of me did so bad they didn't even suggest she retake it that day. The old man got a 100%. Ham radio can be fun.

[Ralph]

I also grew up in the Conn.River Valley----a little furthur south in Agawam.

I remember when I was about 12---walking home through a farmers field at dusk---and seeing what I absolutely knew had to have been a flyer saucer. I was a huge sci-fi nut,read all the Clark,Asimov, and Bradbury I could get my hands on, never missed "The Outer Limits" and just KNEW it was only a matter of time before one of these things landed.

The article in the following days newspaper about the meteorite show the previous night
was depressing to say the least.

[Miss Whiplash]

There you go. How long can you ride that little carpet?

Pretty far. How about you, babe?

[Miss Whiplash]

Preterists don't think that.

Somehow I doubt the man was a Preterist. Let me tell you about the prophecies of Charles Taze Russell.

[Ladewig]

Preterists don't think that.

I did not know that. So when preterists talk about all the things that were prophesized in Chapter 24, do they refer to it as "the end times"?

[godless dave]

Preterists don't think that.

But many Christians do, especially in the United States. The Left Behind series isn't a metaphor for death.

[mayday]

Pretty far. How about you, babe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8028uf_Z-M

[mayday]

I did not know that. So when preterists talk about all the things that were prophesized in Chapter 24, do they refer to it as "the end times"?

The preterists believe the end times happened 2000 years ago, which makes perfectly good sense.


I am an atheist but "just in case" I have started going to the pentecostal church. I even leave money to show my appreciation, even if a person is not religious you can get insight from the sermons if they are well done. I don't jump an holler and shake and all that stuff but I enjoy the musical instruments and the atmosphere (even though it's hard to keep a straight face, some of those people really carry on!) Much more entertaining than the Kingdom Hall...but there was a woman up there yelling into the mic that we had better be prepared to meet God because he is COMING SOON!!! My interperetation of that is that will happen when we die, which will be soon because none of us are here permanently.

I believe the Bible even mentions UFOs. Yes, there are people who see UFOs who later learn what they were seeing was a meteor or a funny-looking aircraft, but don't assume your experience can explain everyone else's experience.

[Married2aWooster]

I also grew up in the Conn.River Valley----a little furthur south in Agawam.

I remember when I was about 12---walking home through a farmers field at dusk---and seeing what I absolutely knew had to have been a flyer saucer. I was a huge sci-fi nut,read all the Clark,Asimov, and Bradbury I could get my hands on, never missed "The Outer Limits" and just KNEW it was only a matter of time before one of these things landed.

The article in the following days newspaper about the meteorite show the previous night
was depressing to say the least.

When we were young, my brothers and I learned of the annual Perseid meteor showers in a very similar fashion.

[mayday]

But many Christians do, especially in the United States. The Left Behind series isn't a metaphor for death.


Yes, they do. This is good for discrediting religion altogether because it is so illogical and utterly ridiculous that even a 6-year-old would laugh at it.

I love that guy Brother Michael Murray from Gravette, AR who comes on ION tv in the mornings. He is a preterist and when you listen to him he is so down to earth and sensible.

[Cuddles]

I am an atheist but "just in case" I have started going to the pentecostal church.

The trouble with Pascal's Wager is that you have to assume that God is utterly retarded, which pretty much defeats the whole purpose of it.

[Miss Whiplash]

The preterists believe the end times happened 2000 years ago, which makes perfectly good sense.

How so?


I am an atheist but "just in case" I have started going to the pentecostal church. Mayday, that has the be the most hilarious thing I have ever read.

I do hope you pack plenty of pepper spray at prayer meetin'. Sooner or later they will open the box of poison snakes and invite you to pick up a nice canebrake.

[mayday]

The trouble with Pascal's Wager is that you have to assume that God is utterly retarded, which pretty much defeats the whole purpose of it.

I did not know about Pascal, but thanks to my trusty wikipedia resouce....

That Pascal guy sounds like he was a deep thinker.

I don't know why you would have to assume God is retarded, though.

[Ladewig]

The preterists believe the end times happened 2000 years ago, which makes perfectly good sense.

So preterists do refer to those events as end times.

Still, this post:
[QUOTE=mayday;3338406]I think a lot of people misinterperet what religious people say when they talk about the end times. Johnny Cash wrote a great song, probably one of the best ones he'd ever written, on his last album before he died, called When the Man comes around. You'd think he's talking about the Second Coming and the Rapture but he's really talking about death.

...has nothing to do with the topic. Neither the man being quoted in the article nor the vast, vast, majority of Christians follow the beliefs of the preterists. Therefore your assertion that " a lot of people misinterperet what religious people say when they talk about the end times" is both false and a non sequiter.

[Ladewig]

I did not know about Pascal, but thanks to my trusty wikipedia resouce....

That Pascal guy sounds like he was a deep thinker.

I don't know why you would have to assume God is retarded, though.

Because a God who could not tell the difference between someone faking it to win eternal salvation and someone who truly believes would have to have divine powers so limited that one might conceivably call Him retarded.

[Miss Whiplash]

Mayday, did you ever take algebra?

[FramerDave]

I have to wonder what kind of idiot finds something that dangerous amusing and entertaining.

Perhaps the same kind that finds it amusing to pepper spray a snake.

The old man doesn't lie. He had these experiences in 1977-1978.

Maybe he doesn't lie. But there's a good chance he's mistaken, misinterpreting what he's seen, or that delusional thinking runs in the family.

[Drudgewire]

There you go. How long can you ride that little carpet?
Long enough for Texans to report her as a UFO. :D

[FramerDave]

Long enough for Texans to report her as a UFOthe mother ship. :D

Fixed that for you.

[Wolverine]

I believe the Bible even mentions UFOs.

No, that's just a good example of shoehorning done by UFO proponents. I'm fairly certain this book (http://www.amazon.com/Bible-Flying-Saucers-2e-Tr/dp/1569247455/) originally published in 1968 is one of the first popularizing such claims. A misinterpretation of Ezekiel's vision (http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/05-07-28.html) probably got the ball rolling, prompting UFO believers to scour the scripture (and even centuries-old artwork (http://sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_eng.htm)) for examples to shore up their extraterrestrial ideas.

These are modern bits of pop culture, nothing more. Prior to the 1940s, readers wouldn't make any connection between Biblical passages and the concept of alien spacecraft visiting Earth -- there's nothing specific mentioned in the Bible identifying anything of the sort.

ETA (forgot to mention): Biblical literalists deny UFO and ET claims (http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/are-ets-and-ufos-real) because "God created everything just for us!"

[sinclairmcevoy]

To answer your question, it sounds like there were a few skeptics who saw that. Too bad there's no video or pics.

[alfaniner]

...It freaked them out good. He saw them a lot of times after that, too. It would look like stars darting around the sky. There were even aliens on the ground.

It seems like that would be a rather important part of the story to expand on.

[mayday]

Because a God who could not tell the difference between someone faking it to win eternal salvation and someone who truly believes would have to have divine powers so limited that one might conceivably call Him retarded.

Preterists believe the second coming of Jesus was 2000 yrs. ago.

There will be no Rapture. We missed the Rapture.

What's wrong with faking belief in God? The important thing is where your heart is.

There are phony people who believe in God but their heart is black so they will try to compensate by going through the motions hoping this will earn them points by their works (even though the Bible says our works are as filthy rags to God, that doesn't stop them from trying). In other words, their kindness is a STRATEGY to get in good with God, their kindness does not come from their love for others, and people like this do not keep up the front indefinitely. The churches are filled with people like this. The smear it on thick but eventually you see what they are really like, they will apologize for it and smear it on thick for awhile, but they can't keep it up.

There are truly good people who believe in God.

There are evil people who do not believe in God.

There are truly good people who don't believe in God for whatever reason but they decide to live as if there is a God because if it turned out there is a God these would definitely be humble godly people. God would not penalize someone because they didn't believe in something they couldn't understand. I'm in this category.

Then, you have my father-in-law. When he is feeling confident and thinks he will live awhile he is about the most conceited, arrogant, nasty person you would ever meet. He will brag about being an atheist and ridicule others who are not. Then, the old fool gets sick and realizes he is in his 80's he gets scared and he will ask for a priest. If there is a God and an afterlife the old buzzard will have a lot of explaining to do.

Naw...that doesn't make God retarded.

[mayday]

It seems like that would be a rather important part of the story to expand on.

As soon as I can get him to elaborate on this I will. He will be back in a few minutes.

We've been arguing a lot lately. We just bought a house and some land. The house is really nice and more than we can afford on our own right now. I can't go to a regular job because of the baby. Why I consented to my husband's bright idea I'll never know, but my father-in-law will be moving in with us to our new house and I have to turn over the master bedroom with the JACUZZI tub which I've wanted for so long over to him. He drools, he's incontinent, you have never smelled the likes when he uses the bathroom. Yes, I'll be at home with the baby but thinking about him makes it not seem worth it. On top of that he will have caregivers in the home so I can't even pass gas without the chance there will be someone around. I wanted to put him in an outbuilding but the social services woman says he actually has to be in the home to help pay the bills. Sorry for the broadcast but I needed to vent.

Anyway, I will get him to relay his close encounter with what he honestly believes were aliens. My husband can be a confrontational jerk but he is honest.

[Tricky]

Well there are some very simple tests to see if it was an estraterrestrial UFO. Were there any crop circles, mutilated cattle or dazed-looking people with probes hanging out of their butts found in the area of the sighting?

[PetersCreek]

What's wrong with faking belief in God? The important thing is where your heart is.


So basically, you're saying the God of the Bible wouldn't or shouldn't have a problem with you trying to scam your way into heaven? I guess you missed the parts in the Bible about faith being necessary for salvation, being sincere in your belief, accepting Jesus into your heart "for no one comes to the Father except by the Son", and other troublesome technicalities, eh? If you think it's what you have in your heart that counts, how many points do you get for a pretense based on fear and selfishness?

Just one more reason I'm glad to be a former BAC.

[Wolverine]

...dazed-looking people with probes hanging out of their butts...

It's rural Texas. How could you tell the difference?

[aggle-rithm]

Maybe you aren't doing anything wrong but maybe you aren't as observant as you think you are.


I think it requires more than being observant. Specifically, it requires an inability to interpret what you're looking at.

I saw a UFO video one time where the person who filmed it thought it was great evidence for extraterrestrials, since it was moving around far too fast to be an earthly flying object. There was only one problem: it was pretty obvious what the "flying object" was. It was a reflection of some light source (probably the moon) off the window of the plane that the witness was on. It was clear that it was the video camera, and not the object, that was moving around.

At first I thought it was a crude hoax, but then it occured to me: What if this person is unable to recognize something as obvious as a jittery reflection on a window? If so, it seems likely that there are others like him out there, and that many of the "unexplained" phenomena are simply boneheaded misinterpretations.

It probably also helps to REALLY want to see a UFO.

[IXP]

Well there are some very simple tests to see if it was an estraterrestrial UFO. Were there any crop circles, mutilated cattle or dazed-looking people with probes hanging out of their butts found in the area of the sighting?

These would not be proof of a UFO, it could have been a Frat party.

IXP

[mayday]

It seems like that would be a rather important part of the story to expand on.

Here is my husband's account of the aliens on the ground, in his words:

I moved up to Heath, Mass from NYC permanently in late November of '78. Planted about an acre of apple trees in or around the spring of 1980 and it was the late fall of 1980, I had been worrying about deer coming in and nibbling on my trees. One evening, maybe 9 or 10 o'clock, went outside to take a leak (he tried to change his wording but this is how it first came out so I'm leaving it that way) and I heard something walking around the back of the house in the edge of the woods and thought it was deer coming in to nibble on my trees, so I went and got my rifle, which was in the bottom drawer of my large bureau...uh, the gun was warm, room temperature, the ammunition was almost new Norma 6.5 cal. ammo...I went to the door, opened it and thought I'd fire a few shots and scare them away, so I pulled the bolt back and pushed it forward again to insert a cartridge into the chamber and aimed off into the woods and pulled the trigger. Click. Nothing. The cartridge didn't fire. I thought, Damn stupid ammo![I] and figured it must have been a bad round although I had previously, a couple of months back, gone through 13 rounds of that box of ammo with no misfires and no problem out of the first 13 rounds. I thought, [I]oh well so I pulled the bolt back, took the cartridge out and then pushed the bolt forward again to put a new round in the chamber and tried firing again. Again, click! The round would not fire. I went through all remaining rounds, I believe 7, and not one would fire. I thought This is stupid!!! uhh...I heard the steps again in the woods and what sounded like a person giggling. I thought this was really weird, deer don't giggle and guns don't quit firing when ammo is new. I thought this whole thing was bizarre. Anyway, so I closed the door and went back into my room, took the bolt out of the gun, made sure it was inserted properly, the firing pin wasn't broken, and looked at the back of the cartridges and saw every one had a deep indentation from the firing pin. So, all these rounds should have fired, there was no problem with the gun itself. The next day, I took the gun out and a couple of the same cartridges, loaded them up and voila--they fired perfectly with no problem. Now, they had in the rear of the cartridge, TWO identical firing pin indentations, both the same depth, yet the cartridges would not fire that night, but the following day they fired with no problem.

I told my story to someone about a year or so later and showed them the ammo and we fired off a few more rounds which fired perfectly.

You tell me what can stop ammo from functioning in a gun under perfect operating conditions. 7 rounds in a row. It was just that one evening, when whatever it was was walking through the woods and "giggled" at me. We don't have technology (that I know of) that can prevent a gun from firing. If you know of such technology please let me know.

[mayday]

So basically, you're saying the God of the Bible wouldn't or shouldn't have a problem with you trying to scam your way into heaven? I guess you missed the parts in the Bible about faith being necessary for salvation, being sincere in your belief, accepting Jesus into your heart "for no one comes to the Father except by the Son", and other troublesome technicalities, eh? If you think it's what you have in your heart that counts, how many points do you get for a pretense based on fear and selfishness?

Just one more reason I'm glad to be a former BAC.

I'm not born again, praise the lard.

The Bible was supposedly written by men who were inspired by God.

God would know why you would scam you way to Him, as you put it. Those theives went to be with Jesus, didn't they?

[Ashles]

*gets on knees to give thanks I don't live next door to Mayday or her husband*

"Honey I'm just taking out the trash..." Boom! Boom! Boom!

[Garrette]

I think a lot of people misinterperet what religious people say when they talk about the end times. Johnny Cash wrote a great song, probably one of the best ones he'd ever written, on his last album before he died, called When the Man comes around. You'd think he's talking about the Second Coming and the Rapture but he's really talking about death. Besides this being an irrelevancy as Ladewig pointed out, your interpretation is blatantly wrong.

The spoken introduction is from the Book of Revelation and refers to the horsemen of the apocalypse. The majority of the references in the song proper are also from revelation though at least one is from Jacob.

The song is about death only insofar as we all will die and face judgment (at least that's what Johnny Cash believes). The man who comes around is Christ/God, passing judgment on people for their choices.

If you're going to toss a red herring, at least get it right.

P.S. I agree it's one of Johnny's great songs from one of his great albums. I'm atheist, but that song still gives me chills in a good way. And who'd have thought Johnny could get away with doing a cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water?

[mayday]

If you're going to toss a red herring, at least get it right.

P.S. I agree it's one of Johnny's great songs from one of his great albums. I'm atheist, but that song still gives me chills in a good way. And who'd have thought Johnny could get away with doing a cover of Bridge Over Troubled Water?

"The Man" is not Jesus, so speak for yourself.

I was a Johnny Cash fan long before he died, and I can't stand Simon and Garfunkle.

[FramerDave]

A malfunctioning gun and noises in the woods equals an encounter with alien life? Those leaps of logic must make for some great exercise.

[Ladewig]

Preterists believe the second coming of Jesus was 2000 yrs. ago.
.

Feel free to hold and espouse this position. But please also note that over 90% of practicing Christians disagree with that viewpoint.

There are truly good people who don't believe in God for whatever reason but they decide to live as if there is a God because if it turned out there is a God these would definitely be humble godly people. God would not penalize someone because they didn't believe in something they couldn't understand. I'm in this category.

Here is the crux of the matter. You firmly believe that "God would not penalize someone because they didn't believe in something they couldn't understand." The Bible is clearly at odds with your belief but that is not the point. If God truly acts in the way that you describe, then there is no need at all for Pascal's Wager. The God you describe would not need to be retarded to be logically consistent. However, the God described in Pascal's Wager would need to be incredibly dense to be logically consistent.

[Garrette]

"The Man" is not Jesus, so speak for yourself.Translation: I can speak for Johnny Cash and you can't even though all the evidence points clearly to your position being correct and mine wrong. So there.


I was a Johnny Cash fan long before he died,Ditto.


and I can't stand Simon and Garfunkle.Not ditto.

[Locknar]

Here is my husband's account of the aliens on the ground, in his words:
<snip>Why do "woo woo" folks always seem to default to camp fire stories?

[alfaniner]

I just saw snippets of the video on TV. I'm going to check as soon as I get home, but I am almost sure the thing shown was Mars.

[Miss Whiplash]

You tell me what can stop ammo from functioning in a gun under perfect operating conditions. 7 rounds in a row. It was just that one evening, when whatever it was was walking through the woods and "giggled" at me. We don't have technology (that I know of) that can prevent a gun from firing. If you know of such technology please let me know.

I'll tell you what - poor primer and a fouled firing pin.

That's happened to me several times over the years.

BTW-One can find aliens on the ground in Texas just about anywhere - particularly on construction jobs. I just thought you should know...

[Locknar]

I'll tell you what - poor primer and a fouled firing pin.

That's happened to me several times over the years.

BTW-One can find aliens on the ground in Texas just about anywhere - particularly on construction jobs. I just thought you should know...Ah...but as with every good ghost and camp fire story, that was explained away. The ammo was good before, was good after, only didn't fire at that moment in time, when it was needed.

Really, just to funny....

[devnull]

They just reported this on morning TV (here in Australia).

Nice shaky, out of focus vid too.

[mayday]

Ah...but as with every good ghost and camp fire story, that was explained away. The ammo was good before, was good after, only didn't fire at that moment in time, when it was needed.

Really, just to funny....

So the only rationale you can cough up is that the old man is lying.

That's pretty lame. More than lame. It is a sad, stupid state of affairs when everything that cannot be explained must be a fraud, according to a cynic.
WHAT A MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!

[Miss Whiplash]

So the only rationale you can cough up is that the old man is lying.

That's pretty lame. More than lame. It is a sad, stupid state of affairs when everything that cannot be explained must be a fraud, according to a cynic.
WHAT A MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps. But it is better than trolling the internet all day.

[CFLarsen]

So the only rationale you can cough up is that the old man is lying.

That's pretty lame. More than lame. It is a sad, stupid state of affairs when everything that cannot be explained must be a fraud, according to a cynic.
WHAT A MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!

Uh-oh.

Anger management issues again.

Nothing has changed. Sadly.

[mayday]

Perhaps. But it is better than trolling the internet all day.

Wouldn't know, I don't spend a lot of time here.

[dudalb]

Nice shaky, out of focus vid too

Boy, are you gonna love "Cloverfield".

[mayday]

Uh-oh.

Anger management issues again.

Nothing has changed. Sadly.

Anger? I'm not angry.

[Miss Whiplash]

Wouldn't know, I don't spend a lot of time here.

Does that mean you acknowledge you are at least trolling?

[Locknar]

So the only rationale you can cough up is that the old man is lying.

That's pretty lame. More than lame. It is a sad, stupid state of affairs when everything that cannot be explained must be a fraud, according to a cynic.
WHAT A MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!You're right...clearly the story was truthful and happened exactly as you've claimed; a ET playing a joke (hence the giggle) was able to suppress the chemical reaction of the gunpowder, yet leave apparently all other chemical reactions (such as the ones necessary for life) to continue unabated. Well of course ET can, after all ET conquered inner-stellar space travel...this would be trivial.

To think, ET travels the universe...apparently to play practical jokes and laugh at deer hunters at night; who would have thought? I suppose they do this to break up the monotony of all that anal probing and cattle mutilation stuff. Speaking of which, they didn't grab your hubby and have their "way with him" did they?

As they say, reality can be a cruel mistress. It is not that your story can not be explained...it can be, it is a work of fiction (ie. camp fire story). Enough "facts" to make it seem belivable, yet nothing that can be checked/verified by anyone.

So, other then your word, or retelling of this obvious work of fiction...have anything to offer cite/reference/proof wise to support your claim that folks here can verify/check?

Prove me wrong...oh, you'll rant, wave your arms about (watch for attacking stray cats!), munch a corn dog or two, etc. but we all know you can't prove something that didn't happen.

[Ladewig]

That's pretty lame. More than lame. It is a sad, stupid state of affairs when everything that cannot be explained must be a fraud, according to a cynic.
WHAT A MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!


You seem to be under a lot of stress. If you can, seek help in dealing with the stress. Either through someone to help with the many tasks you perform or through a counsellor to help with the emotional aspect of it.


If you believe that some (many?) people here are cynics who lead lives which are "MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE[s]!!!!!!!!!" then perhaps the best course is to avoid them or ignore them.

[Married2aWooster]

{snip}...so I went and got my rifle, which was in the bottom drawer of my large bureau...uh, the gun was warm, room temperature, the ammunition was almost new Norma 6.5 cal. ammo...I went to the door, opened it and thought I'd fire a few shots and scare them away, so I pulled the bolt back and pushed it forward again to insert a cartridge into the chamber and aimed off into the woods and pulled the trigger. Click. Nothing. The cartridge didn't fire...{snip}...

Semi-auto or bolt action rifle? Both have a bolt that needs to be operated to chamber the first round. If you do exactly what you describe, the way you describe it with some semi-auto rifles, you'll get a misfire nearly every time.

These aren't the exact words my DI used, but: "Thou shalt never ease the bolt on a semi-auto"

[Alice Shortcake]

Oh, just put her on ignore. She has nothing to contribute and is incapable of learning anything - how much bandwidth has been wasted on her ludicrous ghost photos, ghost videos, lottery forecasting and other crap? And she's too eaten up with rage and bitterness to be funny. :rolleyes:

[Miss Whiplash]

Oh, just put her on ignore. She has nothing to contribute and is incapable of learning anything - how much bandwidth has been wasted on her ludicrous ghost photos, ghost videos, lottery forecasting and other crap? And she's too eaten up with rage and bitterness to be funny. :rolleyes:

I know, but like all trainwrecks it's hard not to stop and look. The "I'm an atheist going to a Pentecostal church" thing is original, though.

[FramerDave]

So the only rationale you can cough up is that the old man is lying.

That's pretty lame. More than lame. It is a sad, stupid state of affairs when everything that cannot be explained must be a fraud, according to a cynic.
WHAT A MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!

Oh come on Mayday, even you have to admit that you haven't exactly established yourself as a paragon of honesty and sterling intellect.

In every single topic you have posted you have wavered, changed your story, contradicted yourself and outright lied. Just a few off the top of my head:

1. You're a nurse who would defy doctor's orders and give a child a saline solution instead of a vaccine.

2. You supposedly had pictures that were definitely ghosts yet you had every excuse in the world not to post them.

3. You were going to go to a psychic and gave us the opportunity to test her and now you've delayed your visit. I have a feeling you will again and again.

4. You claimed you were going to test your divining powers and post the results of the lottery. You did once and failed utterly. When another test was suggested you agreed and to date you have predicted two numbers.

5. You claim you're a kind person yet you related your bitterness toward your father in law you have to take care of (you are a nurse, right?), you delighted in the pain caused when you pepper sprayed a snake and told us how you wanted to punch a one-eyed person in his or her remaining eye. Over a parking spot if I remember correctly.

I believe a lawyer would state that this all speaks to the credibility of the witness.

[Locknar]

I know, but like all trainwrecks it's hard not to stop and look. The "I'm an atheist going to a Pentecostal church" thing is original, though.Thank God she is not a hypocrite!

[PetersCreek]

Over-sarcasm much? ;)

[Tumblehome]

AND FOR THAT MATTER, IF YOU HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN A UFO MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TALK TO THE DOZENS WHO HAVE SEEN THE ONES IN TEXAS, HAMRADIOGUY.

What is your call sign?


Shields up, Hamradioguy!

I think she likes you. :heartbeat:

[Jaggy Bunnet]

The preterists believe the end times happened 2000 years ago, which makes perfectly good sense.


I am an atheist but "just in case" I have started going to the pentecostal church. I even leave money to show my appreciation, even if a person is not religious you can get insight from the sermons if they are well done. I don't jump an holler and shake and all that stuff but I enjoy the musical instruments and the atmosphere (even though it's hard to keep a straight face, some of those people really carry on!) Much more entertaining than the Kingdom Hall...but there was a woman up there yelling into the mic that we had better be prepared to meet God because he is COMING SOON!!! My interperetation of that is that will happen when we die, which will be soon because none of us are here permanently.

I believe the Bible even mentions UFOs. Yes, there are people who see UFOs who later learn what they were seeing was a meteor or a funny-looking aircraft, but don't assume your experience can explain everyone else's experience.

I know, but like all trainwrecks it's hard not to stop and look. The "I'm an atheist going to a Pentecostal church" thing is original, though.

True, but I prefer the "I'm an atheist who believes that I will meet God when I die", from the same post.

Must be strange to expect to meet an entity that you don't believe exists.

[CFLarsen]

Anger? I'm not angry.

No??

What do you call your incessant, uncontrolled screaming, then?

[aggle-rithm]

It is a sad, stupid state of affairs when everything that cannot be explained must be a fraud, according to a cynic.
WHAT A MISERABLE LITTLE EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!

I know this has been said many times before, but...

There are many reasonable explanations other than fraud, such as self-delusion, misinterpretation, distortion through retelling, etc.

[Locknar]

Over-sarcasm much? ;)Me? Sarcastic?? Why never...parish the thought!

[Cuddles]

What's wrong with faking belief in God? The important thing is where your heart is.

I'm pretty sure you have that exactly backwards. What most reasonable people believe is that it doesn't matter so much whether you have faith as long as you are a good and honest person. I really worry about someone who instead says that it doesn't matter if you're honest as long as you pretend to have faith.

[alfaniner]

I saw the video. It's a dot of light, duh. I ran a Starry Night Backyard simulation last night for the date, and location, and right about that spot were Procyon, Sirius, and Mars, for a period an hour either side of the stated time.

[aggle-rithm]

I'm pretty sure you have that exactly backwards. What most reasonable people believe is that it doesn't matter so much whether you have faith as long as you are a good and honest person. I really worry about someone who instead says that it doesn't matter if you're honest as long as you pretend to have faith.

I saw an interview on TV a while back with Osama bin Laden's ex-sister-in-law. At one point in the interview, she said that bin Laden was considered to be "kind" among his people in Saudi Arabia. When the interviewer expressed his incredulity, she explained that in the Saudi culture, "kind" is synonymous with "devout". Thus, as long as you are an ardent believer, it doesn't matter what atrocities you commit: You're "kind".

Explains a heck of a lot.

[mayday]

Semi-auto or bolt action rifle? Both have a bolt that needs to be operated to chamber the first round. If you do exactly what you describe, the way you describe it with some semi-auto rifles, you'll get a misfire nearly every time.

These aren't the exact words my DI used, but: "Thou shalt never ease the bolt on a semi-auto"

It was a bolt action (minus that thing in the stock that tells time.)

I read your cute remarks, Ladewig, and I'm not going to let you rattle my cage.

MissWhiplash, I was going to ask you the same thing.

Same to you, Alice Shortcake. Who is twisting your arm and pressing your face against the computer screen to make you read my posts.

Claus, I'll just say you're the Simon Colwell of the Randi page.

Framerguy, I'll get to you later, because that will take awhile and I'm on my way out to get lunch.

[CFLarsen]

Claus, I'll just say you're the Simon Colwell of the Randi page.

Why, thank you!

(It's "Cowell")

[Ladewig]

I read your cute remarks, Ladewig, and I'm not going to let you rattle my cage.


I wasn't trying to rattle your cage. I was sincere in suggesting that you seek some sort of help. If you are getting so upset that you feel the need to add eight exclamation points to a sentence written in capital letters, then you should be more careful to not let other people's comments get to you.

There is an ignore feature available to all posters. If some posters bother you that much then set them on ignore.

I disagree with virtually everything you say, but I do not wish anyone ill. I urge everyone to take care of his or her health. Controlling the amount of stress in your life is an important aspect of maintaining health.

[mayday]

I wasn't trying to rattle your cage. I was sincere in suggesting that you seek some sort of help....

That's not what I'm referring to and you know it.

Try this half-baked theory you set on the table...

(Ladewig said) As they say, reality can be a cruel mistress. It is not that your story can not be explained...it can be, it is a work of fiction (ie. camp fire story). Enough "facts" to make it seem belivable, yet nothing that can be checked/verified by anyone.

So, other then your word, or retelling of this obvious work of fiction...9end of what Ladewig said)

You're full of it. That wasn't a made up story. You're likely to be the next one to get sucked up in a spaceship and butt-diddled and dropped off at the Seven Eleven.

[mayday]

Why, thank you!

(It's "Cowell")

Right. Cowell.

But I didn't exactly mean for it to be in the complimentary sense.

[Locknar]

It was a bolt action (minus that thing in the stock that tells time.)

I read your cute remarks, Ladewig, and I'm not going to let you rattle my cage.

MissWhiplash, I was going to ask you the same thing.

Same to you, Alice Shortcake. Who is twisting your arm and pressing your face against the computer screen to make you read my posts.

Claus, I'll just say you're the Simon Colwell of the Randi page.

Framerguy, I'll get to you later, because that will take awhile and I'm on my way out to get lunch.Hey..you forgot about me; I feel so under-appreciated. Got any more camp fire stories for us?

[Babbylonian]

You're full of it. That wasn't a made up story.
It wasn't?? Well, that's it for me then. I mean, if you believe the story, then it must be true, right? You know, except that you seem to believe every [sub]urban legend that someone hands to you. I'm sure that one of your friends of a friend also had a late-night fright that ended with a "hook hand" attached to the door handle of their car.

You're likely to be the next one to get sucked up in a spaceship and butt-diddled and dropped off at the Seven Eleven.
Your magical beliefs are far less concerning [to me] than your frequent hostility. I'll echo the wishes of others that you talk to a professional about that.

[Married2aWooster]

It was a bolt action (minus that thing in the stock that tells time.)...{snip}....
The Red Ryder was a lever action air rifle (BB gun), try again.

[PetersCreek]

I fully expect to see the citation "because mayday's old man said so" in at least a dozen peer-reviewed papers.


Or not. It's a toss up.

[PetersCreek]

The Red Ryder was a lever action air rifle (BB gun), try again.


...and that would have been a compass rather than a watch...so try, try again. ;)

[Locknar]

(Ladewig said) As they say, reality can be a cruel mistress. It is not that your story can not be explained...it can be, it is a work of fiction (ie. camp fire story). Enough "facts" to make it seem belivable, yet nothing that can be checked/verified by anyone.

So, other then your word, or retelling of this obvious work of fiction...9end of what Ladewig said)

You're full of it. That wasn't a made up story. You're likely to be the next one to get sucked up in a spaceship and butt-diddled and dropped off at the Seven Eleven.Um....I'm the one that said that, if you are going to insult someone please make sure it is the right "someone". Geesh!

"You're full of it" is a mighty big claim....prove me wrong.

[Married2aWooster]

...and that would have been a compass rather than a watch...so try, try again. ;)

actually both ;)

[mayday]

actually both ;)


It was something like a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time....

ANYWAY, it was a bolt action rifle. The cynics who insist the story is made up only help confirm that this really is an amazing occurrence that can't be explained by mundane means.

Thank you.

[mayday]

Um....I'm the one that said that, if you are going to insult someone please make sure it is the right "someone". Geesh!

"You're full of it" is a mighty big claim....prove me wrong.

My apologies to Ladewig.

Locknar, you are full of it.

[Ladewig]

My apologies to Ladewig.


O.K.

As I said before I don't like to see anyone suffer. Not even people whose views I disagree with. Please take care of your health.

[PetersCreek]

The cynics who insist the story is made up only help confirm that this really is an amazing occurrence that can't be explained by mundane means.


So, if something really is made up and/or can be explained by mundane means...but a cynic insists on that fact...it suddenly becomes an amazing occurence? Hear that folks? It's all our fault that these improbable things are really, really true. Mayday said so.

I'm gonna have to try that argument sometime: I'm right because you disagree with me. You see, if it weren't true no one would bother to argue against it. So there.

[schlitt]

You're likely to be the next one to get sucked up in a spaceship and butt-diddled and dropped off at the Seven Eleven.

Hillarious, you crack me up mayday.

[PetersCreek]

actually both ;)


Actually, it turns out to be neither. According to period advertising copy (http://www.flicklives.com/Glossary/red_ryder/Monty.JPG), the 1936 Buck Jones model had a compass and sundial on the stock but the original Red Ryder had neither. By one account (http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=34&s=264&ai=42392&ssd=1/4/2003&arch=y):

"This notion of a compass came as the result of a childhood memory from the film's ['A Christmas Story'] director Bob Clark. Clark insisted that, as a kid, he had a Red Ryder gun with a compass. But when he consulted Daisy on this, they claimed that one was never made. Because Clark was so persistent, however, there was actually a limited edition Red Ryder gun released by Daisy around the time of the film that had a small compass in it...


The current reproduction Model of 1938 Red Ryder (http://www.daisy.com/shopping/customer/product.php?productid=16141&cat=249&page=1) BB gun does not include a compass nor a sundial.

[tsig]

AND FOR THAT MATTER, IF YOU HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN A UFO MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO TALK TO THE DOZENS WHO HAVE SEEN THE ONES IN TEXAS, HAMRADIOGUY.

What is your call sign? I've got a license and the old man has that advanced one. I started to go for the general license but I had too many other coals in the fire and now my Gordon West book is outdated. I do have a Yaesu radio, just a cheap job (2800) but it hits the local repeater just fine, though I rarely ever talk on it. In fact, I studied for my license in about two hours and passed missing the maximum number of questions allowed (9). I'm lucky, though, the woman sitting on the other side of me did so bad they didn't even suggest she retake it that day. The old man got a 100%. Ham radio can be fun.

It's irons in the fire. WB8AHO/WA0IPC

[bjb]

Mayday, thanks for your husband's story, but I'm much more interested in the clear close-up photographs that he took during his encounter. I'd also like to know more about the physical evidence he collected that showed he really did see something. As much as I hate to say this, your story could be completely, completely made-up as far as I'm concerned. Look at the history of UFO stories and you'll find plenty of people who were 100% bogus. You do remember the alien autopsy video on Fox, don't you? Or the alien photos published in Penthouse which turned out to be pictures of a dummy alien at a museum near Roswell? There have been way too much fake UFO evidence presented over the years for me to take someone's word for it. Your story could be 100% true but without physical evidence, it is thoroughly unconvincing. Sorry to doubt your honesty but blame the others who've been lying about their UFO encounters.

[Locknar]

My apologies to Ladewig.

Locknar, you are full of it.This hardly proves your point.

[FramerDave]

Framerguy, I'll get to you later, because that will take awhile and I'm on my way out to get lunch.

I feel extra special that mayday has set me aside for special handling. When you do get to me, please let us know if any of the five points I brought up are untrue.

Trying not to feel bad that she didn't get my name right.

[grayman]

Possible explanation to some UFO photos:

sXbVr2-VZ8U

[devnull]

Trying not to feel bad that she didn't get my name right.

I vote from now on, we all "accidentally" mess up FramerDude's nickname slightly, so every time we refer to FramerMick his name changes. Im sure FramerFrank wont mind.

[Jaggy Bunnet]

I feel extra special that mayday has set me aside for special handling. When you do get to me, please let us know if any of the five points I brought up are untrue.

Trying not to feel bad that she didn't get my name right.

She said she would get back to you when she was no longer out to lunch.

I think you could be waiting a while.

[Miss Whiplash]

It was something like a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time....

ANYWAY, it was a bolt action rifle. The cynics who insist the story is made up only help confirm that this really is an amazing occurrence that can't be explained by mundane means.

Thank you.

"You'll shoot your eye out!"

[FramerDave]

I vote from now on, we all "accidentally" mess up FramerDude's nickname slightly, so every time we refer to FramerMick his name changes. Im sure FramerFrank wont mind.

Pshaw. I've been called worse.

She said she would get back to you when she was no longer out to lunch.

I think you could be waiting a while.

Bravo. Bravo indeed.

[mayday]

Oh come on Mayday, even you have to admit that you haven't exactly established yourself as a paragon of honesty and sterling intellect.

Speak for yourself.


In every single topic you have posted you have wavered, changed your story, contradicted yourself and outright lied. Just a few off the top of my head:

1. You're a nurse who would defy doctor's orders and give a child a saline solution instead of a vaccine.

I never said I did this. I have only given two vaccines in my nursing career and they were flu vaccines on old people. At that, I was sure to tell them I wouldn't take one of those things for all the tea in China and I kept asking them are you sure you want this? It is likely to make you sicker. Yea, they wanted it, and one of them wound up in the hospital a week later.

But as far as that goes, maybe you should wonder how so many children could inexplicably end up with HIV and AIDS. Are we to assume children are regularly practicing homosexuality and IV drug abuse? I don't think so. It is not a secret that AIDS was started through vaccines. Would you knowingly inject an innocent child with something that would likely make them sick?

I avoid this dilemma by refusing to work with children. If adults are stupid enough to want poison injected into their bodies that is their choice, but children are innocent.




2. You supposedly had pictures that were definitely ghosts yet you had every excuse in the world not to post them.

This is not true. I posted the pictures of apparitions (not orbs) taken at my farm and was told it was smoke, photoshoppe, blah blah blah...when I know better.

One picture they told me the phototaker had their thumb over the lens. I guess if that was the case his thumb was wearing a blue dress and had white hair.

I even threw an interesting nonghost picture up of a bat in the old house flying toward me and of all things was accused of photoshopping THAT!

If you haven't seen any pics it is your fault. I posted them here. It's hard to expect me to do it again, because for one thing some of the pictures have been lost as I have changed computers and I don't have a scanner now to scan the paper photos.



3. You were going to go to a psychic and gave us the opportunity to test her and now you've delayed your visit. I have a feeling you will again and again.

Let me tell you something. I'm not made out of money, and I have four children. It is an expensive trip. I was going to drive the 80 miles because my friend, who I admit is not the most stable or reliable person in the world, had said she was going to go. Don't put me on the spot with that. When you have a lot of extra money (which I've had at times) it can be a fun day trip. When you're on a budget, as I am now, it is a monumental waste of money. Think what you want but I will do that when I'm able.



4. You claimed you were going to test your divining powers and post the results of the lottery. You did once and failed utterly. When another test was suggested you agreed and to date you have predicted two numbers.

I'm working on it!!!



5. You claim you're a kind person yet you related your bitterness toward your father in law you have to take care of (you are a nurse, right?), .....

Yes, I'm a nurse, not a saint. We all have limits and it is easy to sit back and judge others from afar when you don't know what they have been dealing with.




you delighted in the pain caused when you pepper sprayed a snake and told us how you wanted to punch a one-eyed person in his or her remaining eye. Over a parking spot if I remember correctly.

I believe a lawyer would state that this all speaks to the credibility of the witness.

You're sick if you think I would delight in causing pain to another creature.

On the other hand, if that creature (person) asks for it, I'm willing to oblige. I've told my husband when I see the dried up piece of trash he cheated on me with I'll stomp her in the ground. I have every intention of doing it and he knows I do. I'll delight in that. I'll make that big black girl on the Bad Girl's Club look like Mary Sunshine.

I don't think I'm the only person to ever have roadrage, FarmerDave.

[Miss Whiplash]

Tell us about your nursing career, Mayday.

[FramerDave]

You're right, it's not funny. Innocent children injected with poisons. That's why anti-vax nurses working at doctor's offices and health departments who use sterile water "vaccines" instead of the real poison are such angels.

When I open my clinic, there will be no vaccinations offered or given. When a parent wants to know why, I will give them literature on why NOT to vaccinate.

From your Buck Owens Premonition topic, dated 31 March 2006. I stand corrected, evidently you would not do this yourself, but you obviously condone the practice.

You're sick if you think I would delight in causing pain to another creature.

From Does This prove Miracles Can Happen, posted 9 December 2007:

This woman who had a patch over her eye cut me off at the gas pump at the Shell station. If I had been in the right mood I'd have gone over, taken my fist and closed that other eye...yea, violence has its place in the world.

From the Experiment on 100 Atheists, 29 December 2007:

I think it's so humorous to watch people get their undies in a wad, though. You all start rolling around like the snake I pepper sprayed that got in my laundry room.

Apparently you thought the snake writhing in pain was humorous as well?

Let me tell you something. I'm not made out of money, and I have four children. It is an expensive trip. I was going to drive the 80 miles because my friend, who I admit is not the most stable or reliable person in the world, had said she was going to go. Don't put me on the spot with that. When you have a lot of extra money (which I've had at times) it can be a fun day trip. When you're on a budget, as I am now, it is a monumental waste of money. Think what you want but I will do that when I'm able.

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting.

I'm working on it!!!

Not holding my breath on that one either.

Yes, I'm a nurse, not a saint. We all have limits and it is easy to sit back and judge others from afar when you don't know what they have been dealing with.

Nobody expects you to be a saint. However, if performing the duties inherent in your job elicits such bitterness and rage in you such as you show your father in law, perhaps it's time to look into a new career. Or maybe you could just ask your doctor if Paxil is right for you.

[Hokulele]

...

You're sick if you think I would delight in causing pain to another creature.

On the other hand, if that creature (person) asks for it, I'm willing to oblige. I've told my husband when I see the dried up piece of trash he cheated on me with I'll stomp her in the ground. I have every intention of doing it and he knows I do. I'll delight in that. I'll make that big black girl on the Bad Girl's Club look like Mary Sunshine.


So, you would delight in causing someone pain. I strongly recommend you see a professional about your anger management issues. It really isn't healthy.

[Locknar]

I never said I did this. I have only given two vaccines in my nursing career and they were flu vaccines on old people. At that, I was sure to tell them I wouldn't take one of those things for all the tea in China and I kept asking them are you sure you want this? It is likely to make you sicker. Yea, they wanted it, and one of them wound up in the hospital a week later.

<snip> I don't think so. It is not a secret that AIDS was started through vaccines. Would you knowingly inject an innocent child with something that would likely make them sick?

I avoid this dilemma by refusing to work with children. If adults are stupid enough to want poison injected into their bodies that is their choice, but children are innocent.
And you are a nurse? It is rare to find something so wrong as your view on vaccines. You would do the world a favor, destroy your nursing license and never touch another patient.

You're sick if you think I would delight in causing pain to another creature.

On the other hand, if that creature (person) asks for it, I'm willing to oblige. I've told my husband when I see the dried up piece of trash he cheated on me with I'll stomp her in the ground. I have every intention of doing it and he knows I do. I'll delight in that. I'll make that big black girl on the Bad Girl's Club look like Mary Sunshine.
I hope your husband has recovered from the thrashing you gave him...unless he was comatose, I suspect he was a willing participant no?

Anyway...none of this really has to do with the OP, nor does it help prove your claim camp fire story.

[trvlr2]

What you guys are missing is that the 6.5 MM cartridge is center-fire, not rim-fire, hence there would never be "two marks" on the cartridges which fired OK, after the campfire-story episode. "Center-fire" means just that.
Maday, the 225lb tinkerbell, has issues with the truth.

[Hamradioguy]

What you guys are missing is that the 6.5 MM cartridge is center-fire, not rim-fire, hence there would never be "two marks" on the cartridges which fired OK, after the campfire-story episode. "Center-fire" means just that.
Maday, the 225lb tinkerbell, has issues with the truth.

Ah, you beat me to it. 55 years of handling all kinds of firearms and I've NEVER seen a centerfire arm in which the fireing pin can leave TWO marks. It's impossible folks.

Would love to see these cartridges, but I'm betting they were "discarded long ago"....) How convenient.

[Tricky]

It may seem odd, but I actually take a degree of pleasure in seeing Mayday's posts here. She first came here several years ago with all sorts of bizarre ideas, some of which she still has, like about vaccines, but some of which she has shed. I honestly believe that the constant barrage of skepticism has hammered some small amount of understanding into her brain. No, she'll never learn to appreciate James Randi, but she is getting on with her life in a way that is probably better than it would have been otherwise. It's damn nearly heartwarming.

So go ahead and barrage her some more. It might make her mad, but it actually seems to do a small amount of good. Maybe this is a scaled down example of how skepticism affects the world. It doesn't change anything right away, but incrementally, we move mountains of woo.

[Elizabeth I]

It's rural Texas. How could you tell the difference?

That's really incredibly offensive, even as a joke.

[Maxie]

There was another sighting reported over Austin a couple of days later. Then here locally, a lady sent a video to one of the local stations. She said she definitely does NOT believe in UFOs but wanted to know if anyone could tell her what it is. She says it was hovering and hovered long enough for her to go back in the house to get her video camera. It did have lights and underneath was a red strobe light of sorts that was rotating. The station asked a so called "expert" at one of the airports and he said it was a plane. reporter: "what about the hovering?" expert: "planes don't hover." reporter: "But it was a plane?" expert: "yes, it was a plane".

The station then asked the local AFB to comment, they declined. Then they asked them to watch the video, they declined.

It could very well be new Air Force technology.

[mayday]

Nobody expects you to be a saint. However, if performing the duties inherent in your job elicits such bitterness and rage in you such as you show your father in law, perhaps it's time to look into a new career. Or maybe you could just ask your doctor if Paxil is right for you.

It isn't the act of performing my duties, it is the disposition of my father-in-law which brings out the worst in me. He brings out the worst in a lot of people, in fact.

He is a nasty, mean spirited person. Now he is pitiful, though, and it's harder to have the same kind of disgust I used to have for him. I still don't want to wipe his butt. I've even gone out and taken a job doing home health part-time to make the payment on my new house so we won't have to bring him there. I haven't ben assured of getting the job yet but the way the woman talked she was very interested.

Anyway, don't you know what the Christian Scientologists say about mind-altering drugs? Don't you cynics admire the scientologists? I think Tom Cruise is an idiot, and he's not even very cute.

[mayday]

And you are a nurse? It is rare to find something so wrong as your view on vaccines. You would do the world a favor, destroy your nursing license and never touch another patient.

I hope your husband has recovered from the thrashing you gave him...unless he was comatose, I suspect he was a willing participant no?

Anyway...none of this really has to do with the OP, nor does it help prove your claim camp fire story.

I'm not the only antivax nurse.

My husband has recovered (we were out in the front where I started cursing at him and tried to kick him in the butt but I lost my balance and fell. He laughed and that is when I really lost it, I hurled a grill at him and broke his thumb-he wasn't laughing then.) I'll never let him forget. I will always keep the threat that I'll find a boyfriend in the air. Just wait until I get my hands on her middle-aged, STD ridden body...just wait...

Well, Lockness, I guess I will never be able to prove what you call the camp fire story, but it is real, and that is good enough for me. Too bad you can't see the forest for the trees.

[alfaniner]

I hope someone is saving all this. When the writers' strike is over they'll have plenty of fodder for new stories. After all, it's best to "write from life" is it not?

[mayday]

What you guys are missing is that the 6.5 MM cartridge is center-fire, not rim-fire, hence there would never be "two marks" on the cartridges which fired OK, after the campfire-story episode. "Center-fire" means just that.
Maday, the 225lb tinkerbell, has issues with the truth.


NO, HUNNY..

I reported this to the old man, and here is what he says:

"Center fire means there is a firing cap in the center of the rear of the cartridge. The firing pin on a center fire gun rarely hits the exact center of the cap. If you have any kind of a center fire pistol or rifle you will notice the firing pin hits off center, slightly into the firing cap, thus leaving either a slightly larger indentation than the original or a different one, unless the firing pin hits the cartridge in the EXACT same spot you will have TWO marks. I own several guns; 45's, 380's, 308's, 9mm etc. the firing pin NEVER hits directly in the center of the firing cap. Check your ammo after you fire."

He does not speak to you people with the same level of frustration as I do because he does not understand the calibre (no pun) of people I deal with here. I don't know how he could hear what some people say on here and not be upset, but he isn't.

[mayday]

Ah, you beat me to it. 55 years of handling all kinds of firearms and I've NEVER seen a centerfire arm in which the fireing pin can leave TWO marks. It's impossible folks.

Would love to see these cartridges, but I'm betting they were "discarded long ago"....) How convenient.

Sorry, but you obviously don't know what you're talking about. That or you're lying.

[mayday]

It may seem odd, but I actually take a degree of pleasure in seeing Mayday's posts here. She first came here several years ago with all sorts of bizarre ideas, some of which she still has, like about vaccines, but some of which she has shed. I honestly believe that the constant barrage of skepticism has hammered some small amount of understanding into her brain. No, she'll never learn to appreciate James Randi, but she is getting on with her life in a way that is probably better than it would have been otherwise. It's damn nearly heartwarming.

So go ahead and barrage her some more. It might make her mad, but it actually seems to do a small amount of good. Maybe this is a scaled down example of how skepticism affects the world. It doesn't change anything right away, but incrementally, we move mountains of woo.

What are you talking about? I admire James Randi.

You know what hamradioguy reminds me of? Well, since we're talking about that movie "Ä Chrsitmas Story", remember that obnoxious little buck-toothed kid (I think it was Schwartz) who was naysaying everything everyone told him?

I know the old man is telling the truth. He says he lost the ammo, along with a lot of things as he moved over the years. Of course, that never happens to anyone else, does it? He says he lost the ammo when he moved from Willimantic to Eastford.

[mayday]

It's irons in the fire. WB8AHO/WA0IPC

That's what I said, irons in the fire.

Are you in Canada?

Hamradioguy is too chicken to give his call sign, he is afraid someone will look him up.

[Wolverine]

There was another sighting reported over Austin a couple of days later.

Are you referring to this (http://www.myfoxaustin.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=251D602B4967E4FC02B1679F18C41EC1 ?contentId=5513730&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)?

Then here locally, a lady sent a video to one of the local stations.

Locally meaning where? Which station/AFB/etc?

[FramerDave]

It isn't the act of performing my duties, it is the disposition of my father-in-law which brings out the worst in me. He brings out the worst in a lot of people, in fact.

He is a nasty, mean spirited person. Now he is pitiful, though, and it's harder to have the same kind of disgust I used to have for him. I still don't want to wipe his butt. I've even gone out and taken a job doing home health part-time to make the payment on my new house so we won't have to bring him there. I haven't ben assured of getting the job yet but the way the woman talked she was very interested.

Let me clarify then. In nursing and health care in general there's something called compassion. If you can't dredge up even a small amount, even for people you find repulsive, it may be time to find a new line of work. After all, you don't get to pick and choose your patients.

Anyway, don't you know what the Christian Scientologists say about mind-altering drugs? Don't you cynics admire the scientologists? I think Tom Cruise is an idiot, and he's not even very cute.

Cynic, again. You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means. But as a skeptic, no I do not admire Scientologists. They're even more bat-crap crazy than our resident woos around here.

But I will grudgingly agree that Tom Cruise is no longer cute. Now back in the Risky Business and Top Gun days is another story. That volleyball scene where they were all sweaty and shirtless got me through puberty.

[Stellafane]

We do - you would be hard pressed to find an amature astronomer without at least one good UFO story in them. The difference, we see it as a lack of knowledge on our part, as to what the phenomena was - rather than the automatic leap of faith that it is of extra-terestrial origin.

Many years ago I was with a group at a star party when this massive V shaped object cut across the sky - scared a weeks growth out of us - and no one had a clue.

We contacted some professionals - their first question was how distinct was the object - everyone agreed it had a ghostly hard to define shape - rather than the hard edges of a plane wing etc

The explanation - a small meteor entered the upper atmosphere, hit an area of high moisture - what we saw was the bow wave it created as moved through this humid air

In my mind that was way cooler than a garden variety UFO comming to suck my brains out


Actually, I've never seen any object I couldn't identify. I've certainly seen a lot of weird stuff -- as you might expect from someone who probably looks at the sky more often than 99% of the general population -- but nothing that didn't make sense, either naturally or as some man-made object. And although I know many other amateurs, I don't personally know one with a UFO story (although perhaps that's because they're a bit embarassed or reticent to retell it among other astronomers).

BTW, your story about the meteor bow wave is ultra cool -- I wish could see something like that!!

[mayday]

Let me clarify then. In nursing and health care in general there's something called compassion. If you can't dredge up even a small amount, even for people you find repulsive, it may be time to find a new line of work. After all, you don't get to pick and choose your patients.

Well, being a human and all, I'd say just about every nurse struggles with how they really feel and how they should feel. I do have compassion, even for my father-in-law. He called us in his room at the boarding home yesterday to tell us it wouldn't be much longer, he was getting weaker and weaker. I thought he was going to cry, I though Stephen was going to cry. I thought I was going to cry. Then, he said reflectively,I did the best I could. Now, I really do pity him. I realize as empty, snobbish, cold, mean-spirited, conceited, arrogant and downright unlikeable he has been in his life
it really was the best he could do, and that is really sad.
No, as it stands I don't hate that old man. I admit, in the midst of the trouble and drama and near financial ruin he caused, there were those fleeting moments where I would imagine replacing the fish oil in the fish oil capsules with antifreeze, or putting him in a wheel chair, pushing him to the top of a steep hill and letting him go down the other side...but now I do feel sorry for the old man and hope he keeps ticking a good while longer.

I still don't want to wipe his butt.




Cynic, again. You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means. But as a skeptic, no I do not admire Scientologists. They're even more bat-crap crazy than our resident woos around here.

I am very aware of what cynic means, and it applies to 98% of the people here.



But I will grudgingly agree that Tom Cruise is no longer cute. Now back in the Risky Business and Top Gun days is another story. That volleyball scene where they were all sweaty and shirtless got me through puberty.

:confused:

[Akhenaten]

That's what I said, irons in the fire.

Are you in Canada?

Hamradioguy is too chicken to give his call sign, he is afraid someone will look him up.

[Bolding mine]

Mayday, read Post # 29 and then read the above bolded text and see if you can figure out why you have no credibility.

[Married2aWooster]

... She says it was hovering and hovered long enough for her to go back in the house to get her video camera. It did have lights and underneath was a red strobe light of sorts that was rotating.

The station asked a so called "expert" at one of the airports and he said it was a plane. reporter: "what about the hovering?" expert: "planes don't hover." reporter: "But it was a plane?" expert: "yes, it was a plane".

That doesn't speak well for the expertise of their so-called "expert". Planes have been hovering for quite a while. LINK1 (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2007/1218ae_f35b_rollout.html) LINK2 (http://www.navair.navy.mil/v22/) LINK3 (http://www.history.navy.mil/planes/av8.htm)

[mayday]

[Bolding mine]

Mayday, read Post # 29 and then read the above bolded text and see if you can figure out why you have no credibility.

Whew...big whoopdie dooo....coals, irons... you know what I meant.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

[mayday]

What you guys are missing is that the 6.5 MM cartridge is center-fire, not rim-fire, hence there would never be "two marks" on the cartridges which fired OK, after the campfire-story episode. "Center-fire" means just that.
Maday, the 225lb tinkerbell, has issues with the truth.

BTW, I wasn't always 225lbs. I used to be fairly attractive, back in my day.

[Old man]

Well, I see nothing that implausible about the rifle cartridge story. I've seen a few guns that had slightly off-center firing pins, so you could be able to see two over-lapping marks on a primer.

However, here's my take on what happened -

The firing pin in Mr. Mayday's rifle was probably just slugish from old, dried-out oil. He tried to fired those cartridges, but the pin didn't carry enough momentum to detonate the primers (it's primer, Mayday, not "firing cap"). When he checked the bolt, the old oil got dislodged (maybe he even put a drop of fresh oil on it). Then, when he tried to fire them again, they 'worked'. No big mystery, here.

[Ladewig]

Anyway, don't you know what the Christian Scientologists say about mind-altering drugs? Don't you cynics admire the scientologists?

I give it four troll points on a scale of ten. Someone here will think you were serious and get bothered by your statement, but the clear majority of posters will realize that were trying to jerk us around.

[grayman]

There was another sighting reported over Austin a couple of days later. Then here locally, a lady sent a video to one of the local stations. She said she definitely does NOT believe in UFOs but wanted to know if anyone could tell her what it is. She says it was hovering and hovered long enough for her to go back in the house to get her video camera. It did have lights and underneath was a red strobe light of sorts that was rotating. The station asked a so called "expert" at one of the airports and he said it was a plane. reporter: "what about the hovering?" expert: "planes don't hover." reporter: "But it was a plane?" expert: "yes, it was a plane".

The station then asked the local AFB to comment, they declined. Then they asked them to watch the video, they declined.

It could very well be new Air Force technology.

That doesn't speak well for the expertise of their so-called "expert". Planes have been hovering for quite a while. LINK1 (http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2007/1218ae_f35b_rollout.html) LINK2 (http://www.navair.navy.mil/v22/) LINK3 (http://www.history.navy.mil/planes/av8.htm)

Hovering planes:

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[Locknar]

Well, Lockness, I guess I will never be able to prove what you call the camp fire story, but it is real, and that is good enough for me. Too bad you can't see the forest for the trees.
I hope you find this "Lockness" person; perhaps you should check in Scotland.

In any event...this is the best you can do in terms of proving your camp fire story is real? Trivial insults, off topic discussion, etc.?

[baron]

Here is my husband's account of the aliens on the ground, in his words:...

I don't get this. Where were the aliens? When I hear giggling I think it's either a person or an animal making a giggling sound. When machinery goes wrong I think, well, that machinery has gone wrong.

Last month my car failed to start three times in a row. I've had it years and driven 75,000 miles in it. I bet you my car's started successfully more times than your husband's gun has fired and yet nobody would see the failure of my car to start as being down to alien intervention.

How about this as an alternative: Kids messing about in the woods. Your husband comes out with a gun. His gun misfires. The kids giggle, relieved that they're not getting shot at. Husband goes inside. Kids go home.

More likely than life-forms from another planet, anyway.

[grayman]

"It's 3 a.m.! Where have you been all night?"

"Honest honey, I was coming straight home, but there was this...ahhh...UFO...yeah that's it! A UFO. And these little aliens...all laughing at me. I tried to defend myself with my RED Ryder Sure-Shot BB gun but they must have used a ray gun or something on it. Lucky I didn't shoot my eye out. And then I ran like crazy out of the woods and escaped those scary critters. I'm lucky to be alive and safe with you sweety."

"Oh poor baby. I'm sorry to have doubted you".

[Jekyll]

You'd only think that if you hadn't actually heard the song. Aside from the fact that he's very obviously talking about death, the bit where he says that the man is death is kind of a giveaway.

It's from revelations.
http://bible.cc/revelation/6-8.htm

Cash is obviously basing the whole song on revelations, and he says as much in the sleeve notes. I don't see anything in the lyrics to suggest which interpretation of revelations he's thinking of, but the song is consistent with end-timers more literal interpretations.

[Miss Whiplash]

<snip>

Too bad you can't see the forest for the trees.

Tell us about the forest.

[Miss Whiplash]

BTW, I wasn't always 225lbs. I used to be fairly attractive, back in my day.

Rita?

Is that you?

[mayday]

Well, I see nothing that implausible about the rifle cartridge story. I've seen a few guns that had slightly off-center firing pins, so you could be able to see two over-lapping marks on a primer.

However, here's my take on what happened -

The firing pin in Mr. Mayday's rifle was probably just slugish from old, dried-out oil. He tried to fired those cartridges, but the pin didn't carry enough momentum to detonate the primers (it's primer, Mayday, not "firing cap"). When he checked the bolt, the old oil got dislodged (maybe he even put a drop of fresh oil on it). Then, when he tried to fire them again, they 'worked'. No big mystery, here.

What oil? I never heard of oil getting old.

Come on.

BTW, the old man says it seems like after 6 rounds the oil, or dirt, or whatever you say hardened would have worked it's way loose to fire...so if it wouldn't loosen up after 7 rounds what would make it loosen up that next morning, a good night's sleep???

[mayday]

I don't get this. Where were the aliens? When I hear giggling I think it's either a person or an animal making a giggling sound. When machinery goes wrong I think, well, that machinery has gone wrong.

Last month my car failed to start three times in a row. I've had it years and driven 75,000 miles in it. I bet you my car's started successfully more times than your husband's gun has fired and yet nobody would see the failure of my car to start as being down to alien intervention.

How about this as an alternative: Kids messing about in the woods. Your husband comes out with a gun. His gun misfires. The kids giggle, relieved that they're not getting shot at. Husband goes inside. Kids go home.

More likely than life-forms from another planet, anyway.

First of all, it was freezing cold, in the middle of the night, and I don't know any kids who would walk through heavy woods at night and find their way with no light. The power lines did not even go out to my property, I was using a car battery for lights, which would charge up every time I drove 22 miles away to the nearest big town.

[Miss Whiplash]

What oil? I never heard of oil getting old.

Come on.

BTW, the old man says it seems like after 6 rounds the oil, or dirt, or whatever you say hardened would have worked it's way loose to fire...so if it wouldn't loosen up after 7 rounds what would make it loosen up that next morning, a good night's sleep???

Wrong, hun. That's why one must keep a gun clean and oiled. Oil on a firearm gets gummy as it gets old and collects dust. Did you never watch a war movie?

Try again.

[Locknar]

What oil? I never heard of oil getting old.

Come on.You've apparently discovered oil that retains its viscosity regardless of dirt, grime, temperature, etc. What an amazing breakthrough!! Where did you buy this magic oil?

BTW, the old man says it seems like after 6 rounds the oil, or dirt, or whatever you say hardened would have worked it's way loose to fire...so if it wouldn't loosen up after 7 rounds what would make it loosen up that next morning, a good night's sleep??? This would be the husband that cheated on you and lied about it? Seems hardly the pillar of honesty....and given the depth of knowledge of fire arms (at least as relayed by you) far from a Howard Darby type.

First of all, it was freezing cold, in the middle of the night, and I don't know any kids who would walk through heavy woods at night and find their way with no light. The power lines did not even go out to my property, I was using a car battery for lights, which would charge up every time I drove 22 miles away to the nearest big town."I"? You said you were retelling your husbands story...now suddenly it's "I"?

ETA: I'll add...also an apparent time change? Here you mention it was the "middle of the night", but when you first told the story it was "One evening, maybe 9 or 10 o'clock, went outside to take a leak...."

[Hamradioguy]

Sorry, but you obviously don't know what you're talking about. That or you're lying.
Ah yes all those years shooting for the Air Force Rifle team for nothing.

Perhaps you can understand why I'm not about to share my ham call letters with you (I do high speed CW so it's not likely we'd run into one another....)

[Locknar]

Sorry, but you obviously don't know what you're talking about. That or you're lying.Or...perhaps Hamradioguy knows exactly what he is talking about. Kind of funny how camp fire stories don't stand up to reason, logic, and facts don't ya think?

[mayday]

Wrong, hun. That's why one must keep a gun clean and oiled. Oil on a firearm gets gummy as it gets old and collects dust. Did you never watch a war movie?

Try again.

From the old man:
It doesn't work like that. I use dry lubricants. You oil guns you are going to store, you use (or you should) dry lubricants on guns you use frequently, or else you end up with a gritty gummy mess. People who use oil in their guns are just asking for trouble.

Now, back to me...

What I meant to say was, oil does not dry out.

[mayday]

You've apparently discovered oil that retains its viscosity regardless of dirt, grime, temperature, etc. What an amazing breakthrough!! Where did you buy this magic oil?

This would be the husband that cheated on you and lied about it? Seems hardly the pillar of honesty....and given the depth of knowledge of fire arms (at least as relayed by you) far from a Howard Darby type.

Oh no, the old man didn't lie about cheating. He was very open with it. Told me I was getting back what I gave him all these years (he was referring to the times I would run away when I knew he couldn't run after me, only I had to run away to preserve my sanity, he used to be really mean). In fact, when I brought it up at the marriage counselor (and even the marriage counselor told him that triangles don't work) and it was true our relationship couldn't really heal until she was out of the picture, you know what his response was?

I'm not going to stop seeing her.

Why on earth I didn't stand up and tell him to let her a$$ come get him and take care of him I will never know. I am so angry with myself over that. I think of all the shouldas and get angry all over again. I cannot wait until the day I see her at Mcdonald's again, or doing that duck walk of hers across the Wal-Mart parking lot. I told him I was going to do it and it really worries him. He says not to do anything stupid that will ruin my career.

Just wait, what goes around comes around, and that ain't just a bumper sticker slogan.



"I"? You said you were retelling your husbands story...now suddenly it's "I"?

ETA: I'll add...also an apparent time change? Here you mention it was the "middle of the night", but when you first told the story it was "One evening, maybe 9 or 10 o'clock, went outside to take a leak...."

I know I have to watch my language here, but ^%@#^(*!&^@(%#&^%!@@@@!#@$@$%@%@%%!!!!!!