Darwin fueled the rise of Hitler!

[Hammer_of_Thor]

Be afraid St. Petersburg, Florida.

According to the leading candidate for the post of mayor, Darwin and evolution "fueled" Hitler and the Columbine massacre.

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/12/Southpinellas/Foster_links_Darwin__.shtml

This is linked from fark.com.(Thought I would credit where I saw it.)

P.S.

If you want to really see some crazy fundy b.s., read the comments after the article.

[rob_hebert]

So, according to this Bill Foster guy, Darwin's theory evolution is evil because it can be misused to espouse a worldview that sets one race of people apart from all others as "favored." He's right, no such systems of belief ever existed before Darwin came along. :rolleyes:

[Wolverine]

What, no mention of Stalin? C'mon, if you're going to parrot creationist claims that go back at least two decades, you might as well go whole hog.

[MWare]

It just goes to show how little I've been able to accomplish with my Darwinism.

[Ryan O'Dine]

It just goes to show how little I've been able to accomplish with my Darwinism.


Try pointing the sharp end forward.

[BenBurch]

That premise is a huge steaming load of brown custard, that I am amazed anybody believes at all. Hatred for the Jews and believing that high-breeding was essential to a strong Nation goes back well into the middle ages.

[Mojo]

Be afraid St. Petersburg, Florida.

According to the leading candidate for the post of mayor, Darwin and evolution "fueled" Hitler


And they were both into homoeopathy (apart from Darwin).

[Rolfe]

:dl:

Rolfe.

[Nogbad]

Theories don't kill people, people do :D

[H3LL]

Those Catholics and their darwinian genocidal megalomania.

Such scamps.

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[Chupacabras]

These people are afraid to admit that it was Gregor Mendel, and not Charles Darwin, who performed actual experiments and detailed documentation in genetics and inheritance traits. I guess this is better inspiration, if not sheer gasoline, for a theory like that of a "pure" race.

[BenBurch]

And Mendel just ratified what animal breeders and gardeners already suspected was true.

[dudalb]

Nothing new. The Anti Darwin crowd has been using this argument for years.

[Schneibster]

Is this the first thread to succumb to Godwin's Law in the TITLE?

:D

[The Gnomon]

Be afraid St. Petersburg, Florida.

According to the leading candidate for the post of mayor, Darwin and evolution "fueled" Hitler and the Columbine massacre.

http://www.sptimes.com/2008/01/12/Southpinellas/Foster_links_Darwin__.shtml

This is linked from fark.com.(Thought I would credit where I saw it.)

P.S.

If you want to really see some crazy fundy b.s., read the comments after the article.


Hitler was "fueled" even more by the christian church. Using the typical creationist logic, that means that Jesus and Darwin are somehow equivalent, as they both "fueled" the same dictatorship. Remarkable!

[Rolfe]

Yeah, somebody even tried to tell me Jesus was a Jew! Could you believe it?

Rolfe.

[Slimething]

Thanks for sharing. That atty is amazing in that he includes everything the ToE doesn't say in his rant against it.

When I went to the link, I found most of the comments against the politico. I did find some off the wall stuff like bible quotations.

[avocado]

That is interesting because as far as I know there is nearly no genetic distinction between races. One could extend this point and argue that race does not exist to begin with. Hitler's perceived distinctions between races are not supported by Darwinism.

If anything, Darwinism should bring us together. We all share common ancestors, we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of darwin!

[a_unique_person]

That premise is a huge steaming load of brown custard, that I am amazed anybody believes at all. Hatred for the Jews and believing that high-breeding was essential to a strong Nation goes back well into the middle ages.

The thing that amazes me is that they always forget to mention that Darwins theory also means that diversity is important. Without that, there is no fittest to choose from. Everyday experience means that there are diverse types of people adapted to all kinds of work. If there were only nerds in the world, god knows what a mess it would be, for example. ;) Someone has to do the paperwork.

[UnrepentantSinner]

That is interesting because as far as I know there is nearly no genetic distinction between races. One could extend this point and argue that race does not exist to begin with. Hitler's perceived distinctions between races are not supported by Darwinism.

If anything, Darwinism should bring us together. We all share common ancestors, we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of darwin!

Nazi racial policies were a melange of bad* anthropology, bad* archaeology, residual Catholic and Lutheran anti-Semitism, Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theory (Hitler thanked Henry Ford for publishing Protocols and an endless barrage of ravings in the Dearborn Independent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#Dearborn_Independent)) and some perversion of Nietzsche.

As far as the comments go, I love this one:
by Jan 01/14/08 04:00 AM
Saying Darwin was responsible for Hitler's atrocities is akin to saying the Wright Brothers were responsible for 9/11. Foster isn't just an embarrassment to Florida, he's an embarrassment to the entire human race!


*Meaning perverted (Social Darwinism and Aryanism)

[MRC_Hans]

I'm always amazed by these people who argue against fact-based ideas, using the argument that there are unpleasant sides to the proposed fact.

It is unpleasant that fire can burn you, but we don't abandon the idea that fire is hot for that reason.

The realization that we evolved through survival of the fittest actually provides some justification for eugenics (never mind what motivated Hitler), which is unpleasant, but ignoring the fact won't make it go away.

Hans

[Safe-Keeper]

Newton's theory of universal gravitation has killed millions of people through falling, spine breaking, etc. I don't want our kids exposed to this nonsense, we need to teach the theory of intelligent falling.The theory teaches that it's the kids' own fault if they fall from a high place! If we start teaching it, falling will no longer have divine meaning or be part of a higher plan! Think of how the victims of falls will feel!

Also remember that if the Theory wasn't taught, no one would ever think to drop bombs from airplanes, as we wouldn't know that things fell! Newton caused the Hiroshima bombing!

Teach Intelligent Falling!

[headscratcher4]

Yes...it was Darwin's theory...less than a hundred years old at the time...that fueld Hitler and the Nazis. It wasn't two thousand years of Euro-"Christian" culture -- such as the legacy of Martin Luther -- that unleashed the dogs of facism and genecidal anti-semitism. Prior to Darwin, for example, it is a historical fact that no acts of anti-semitism ever occured anywhere in Europe.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Teach Intelligent Falling!

Bah! I know I had another parody of Intelligent Falling, but the only one of the two I'd concocted was weather related because of the Flood... Intelligent Raining (meteorology).

Can any of you come up with other natural processes that must by directed by intelligent processes?

[Kotatsu]

Can any of you come up with other natural processes that must by directed by intelligent processes?

Well, there's always the Intelligent Sickness Theory. Some gods are known to punish the unbelievers with hideous diseases and plagues, so it's only natural to assume that these gods direct who get sick (the filthy unbelievers, pagans, heathens, atheists, liberals, commies, and evolutionists, to the extent that these terms are not synonymous) and who doesn't (those chosen by the god).

Some "scientists", brainwashed by the materialistic preachings of the god's antigod, may argue that diseases are spread by various kinds of germs, but what do they know, eh? History shows us that scientists have been wrong all the time. And not even those "scientists" agree on stuff related to diseases!

If that had been true, we would all get sick every time we're vaccinated, right? And we all know there are millions of bacteria and whatnots even in perfectly healthy humans, so that doesn't prove anything. Besides, if diseases are spread by germs, and we have medicine against those germs, why are there still diseases?

You know it all makes sense.

[ponderingturtle]

Is this the first thread to succumb to Godwin's Law in the TITLE?

:D

Techinicaly this is not Godwin's law, but more about how creationist will invariably try to link Darwinism to the holocaust. Kind of like when the same people attack atheism by saying that Hitler and Stalin where atheists and lead atheist states.

[Shalamar]

Bah! I know I had another parody of Intelligent Falling, but the only one of the two I'd concocted was weather related because of the Flood... Intelligent Raining (meteorology).

Can any of you come up with other natural processes that must by directed by intelligent processes?

Heathens! Unbelievers! Its.. Intelligent 'Holding Things Down'! God holds everything down to keep them from flying off into space.

Except for airplanes. God likes airplanes, so he holds them in his giant (Invisible) hands while making Pbpbpbpbpbpbpbpb noises with his lips and running around the earth.

Maybe rockets too. He throws them upwards while screaming 'whooooosh!'

[aggle-rithm]

That is interesting because as far as I know there is nearly no genetic distinction between races. One could extend this point and argue that race does not exist to begin with. Hitler's perceived distinctions between races are not supported by Darwinism.


I saw a show on cable last week about the eugenics programs being carried out in Germany to purify the race by encouraging so-called Aryans to mate, while discouraging it in others. One scientists said that it might have worked, given enough time, but the resulting population of blonde-haired, blue-eyed people wouldn't have had any physical or mental advantage over any other population.


If anything, Darwinism should bring us together. We all share common ancestors, we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of darwin!

I've heard that there is more genetic diversity in a single group of chimpanzees than in all the human race. That's interesting for a number of reasons...particularly because it means that humans were at one point far closer to extinction than chimps ever were!

All the more reason to stick together.

[DRBUZZ0]

Does it matter to anyone that religion played a major role in Nazism? You always hear this bull "hitler was an atheist" and crap like that. Complete nonsense. He was raised a Roman Catholic and never renounced it, although the Nazi rise to power did have a lot of weird religions aspects. First of all, the hatred of jews in the culture can be traced back at least partially to Christianity.

But if you look at the actual policy of the Nazi party they basically wanted to have a manufactured psuedo-religion. They stated that there were signs of the Arian people being more pure because they were decendant from pure beings and implied some sort of near magic kind of spiritual power.

If you want to see the ultimate incarnation of the weird occult nazi beliefs you can look at Heimler, who was all about that. Hesse too, at least to some degree. The foundation of the SS was based on the idea that they were holy nights and that there was a lineage back to everything from Norse gods to Atlantis.

Then they also tried to inspire the population by creating or re-creating the religious aspects of traditional culture. The whole Mayday thing and blood traditions. But at the same time there were a lot of Christian things going on. The martyred knights of the bloodflag for one thing, was very christian-esq. Also there was cooperation with the church.


Fascinating stuff. Also totally messed up. They used evolutionary theory to make their beliefs seem to somehow be based on science. All psuedo-science though. There was a lot of bizzar dogma going on there.

[UnrepentantSinner]

They stated that there were signs of the Arian people...

Aryan. Arians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism) were a heretical sect of early Christianity that denied the Trinity doctrine.

[Chupacabras]

All the more reason to stick together.

Wooha!

[BenBurch]

... He was raised a Roman Catholic and never renounced it, ...

http://www.nobeliefs.com.nyud.net/images/hitleratchurch.jpg

[Elizabeth I]

I'm always amazed by these people who argue against fact-based ideas, using the argument that there are unpleasant sides to the proposed fact.

It is unpleasant that fire can burn you, but we don't abandon the idea that fire is hot for that reason.

The realization that we evolved through survival of the fittest actually provides some justification for eugenics (never mind what motivated Hitler), which is unpleasant, but ignoring the fact won't make it go away.

Hans

What I think is even more to the point is that we don't stop using fire. It's useful.

So is the theory of evolution.

[DRBUZZ0]

Aryan. Arians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism) were a heretical sect of early Christianity that denied the Trinity doctrine.

Sorry

[DRBUZZ0]

A few more:

http://depletedcranium.com/BrownArmyChurch.jpg

http://depletedcranium.com/hitler_cardinal4.jpg


http://depletedcranium.com/hitler&bishop.jpg

http://depletedcranium.com/NaziChristmastree2.jpg