This is an unjust war of hypocrisy - US Soldier

[a_unique_person]

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/21/1064082860635.html



Tim Predmore, a serving US soldier, calls for the end of an occupation based on lies.

For the past six months I have participated in what I believe to be the great modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom.

After the horrific events of September 11, 2001, and throughout the battle in Afghanistan, the groundwork was being laid for the invasion of Iraq. "Shock and awe" was the term used to describe the display of power the world was to view upon the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was to be a dramatic show of strength and advanced technology from within the arsenals of the American and British militaries.

But as a soldier preparing to take part in the invasion of Iraq, the words "shock and awe" rang deep within my psyche. Even as we prepared to depart, it seemed that these two great superpowers were about to break the very rules they demanded that others obey.

Without the consent of the United Nations, and ignoring the pleas of their own citizens, the United States and Britain invaded Iraq. "Shock and awe"? Yes, the words correctly described the emotional impact I felt as we embarked on an act not of justice but of hypocrisy.

From the moment the first shot was fired in this so-called war of liberation and freedom, hypocrisy reigned. After the broadcasting of recorded images of captured and dead US soldiers over Arab television, American and British leaders vowed revenge while verbally assaulting the networks for displaying such vivid images.

Yet within hours of the deaths of Saddam Hussein's two sons, the US released horrific photographs of the two dead brothers for the world to view.

[American]

Tim Predmore didn't think before he signed.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by a_unique_person
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/21/1064082860635.html



I can see that you can copy articles, AUP, but what was the point of posting it? All I see is that even Soldiers can be misinformed. I don't know what this soldier was expecting, some great revelation as the war was over? A feeling of saving the world?

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Grammatron


I can see that you can copy articles, AUP, but what was the point of posting it? All I see is that even Soldiers can be misinformed. I don't know what this soldier was expecting, some great revelation as the war was over? A feeling of saving the world?

I think that is what they were lead to believe they were doing.

[American]

Originally posted by a_unique_person

I think that is what they were lead to believe they were doing.


"Lead to believe"? You think they're all too stupid to know better? Most believe in the mission. Tim Predmore is a d!ckless exception.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by American



"Lead to believe"? You think they're all too stupid to know better? Most believe in the mission. Tim Predmore is a d!ckless exception.

I think he is very brave. You can guarantee that, by exercising his right to free speech, he will pay hell for it.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I think that is what they were lead to believe they were doing.

I did some more research and based on this article (http://www.pjstar.com/news/opedcolumns/b0gtbbgr059.html) he has been in the army for about five years, which means he was there for America's military intervention - without U.N. approval - in Bosnia. It's "strange" but yet I can't find a letter from him condemning America's actions in Bosnia.

[American]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


... he will pay hell for it.


There lies a fundamental misunderstanding that liberals have.


You don't go to war to die. You go to kill.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I think he is very brave. You can guarantee that, by exercising his right to free speech, he will pay hell for it.

Brave? The man is an idiot. He obviously has no idea what being a soldier entails. After 5 years you'd think he had a clue.

There is no freedom of speech guaranteed to US soldier....tell me AUP, does the Aussie army allow freedom of speech among it's soldiers? Do they take votes, or poll the rank and file to determine if they should or should not undertake a mission?

:D :D :D

They make dress shows at Fort Levenworth you know....I imagine your brave fellow will soon bravely be sewing "low-quarters" together. Right where he belongs IMHO.

-z

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by rikzilla


Brave? The man is an idiot. He obviously has no idea what being a soldier entails. After 5 years you'd think he had a clue.

There is no freedom of speech guaranteed to US soldier....tell me AUP, does the Aussie army allow freedom of speech among it's soldiers? Do they take votes, or poll the rank and file to determine if they should or should not undertake a mission?

:D :D :D

They make dress shows at Fort Levenworth you know....I imagine your brave fellow will soon bravely be sewing "low-quarters" together. Right where he belongs IMHO.

-z

Yes, you do have freedom of speech in the military. You can say anything you like, once. :D

I have a feeling that most of our current military, as well trained as they are, joined to get the benefits of being in the military, without thinking about the consequences of being in the military.

[Luke T.]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal


Yes, you do have freedom of speech in the military. You can say anything you like, once. :D

I have a feeling that most of our current military, as well trained as they are, joined to get the benefits of being in the military, without thinking about the consequences of being in the military.

Troops are discouraged from speaking to the media. I would not say they are forbidden, with the exception of classified matters.

Nothing will happen to Predmore except a serious talk with his Lieutenant.

[Shinytop]

While it is true soldiers are not forbidden to speak to the press it is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) to criticize government officials. And a veteran of five years should know that.

[Lord Kenneth]

Once you sign up to help defend this country you lose some of the basic rights it supposedly stands for.

[DavidJames]

Never mind what this guy said I've got a question for American and Rikzilla. Here is a guy who volunteered to join the service and has fought in Iraq. Who the f!!k are you to say this guy is "d!ckless" and to question his bravery. To disagree with his words is one thing, but to question his bravery as you hide behind your monitor in the safety of your own home while he has put himself in harms way is a disgrace. He was a soldier fighting in the war you support yet you have the audacity to question his bravery. Sleep well tonight you cowards.

[Moccomouse]

Originally posted by American

Most believe in the mission. Tim Predmore is a d!ckless exception.



A while ago, at the beginning of the war, I saw a brief news story, probably CNN or BBC or somesuch, and they had a young soldier out in the Iraqi desert, and he had the peace symbol drawn on his helmet with marker. The reporter asked him why, and he responded "Well, who the hell wants war?"

It's a tad ridiculous to assume that every single enlisted man or woman agrees wholeheartedly with everything he or she is participating in. The fact that this Predmore fellow joined five years ago indicates that he probably did not forsee any of the current events, nor was he able to make choices about them when he signed up. He may have agreed with the military policies and operations of the time, but things are different now. A lot of the people I know who have enlisted recently did so explicitly because of Iraq. The same is not true of Predmore.

That's the probably the biggest reason why I could never volunteer for military service, it's because I cannot guarantee I will agree with every decision and every action I may be asked to participate in down the road, especially with our current administration.

So what is particularly inspiring about Predmore is that he continues to fight and risk his life despite his personal objections, something I could never do.

[demon]

Grammatron:
"It's "strange" but yet I can't find a letter from him condemning America's actions in Bosnia."

Whats "strange" about it? The guy obviously wised up some since then.
Good on him.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by demon
Grammatron:
"It's "strange" but yet I can't find a letter from him condemning America's actions in Bosnia."

Whats "strange" about it? The guy obviously wised up some since then.
Good on him.

So why does he only mention Iraq if he wised up so much?

He uses every anti-war bait he can in his article, from "it was illegal" to "the war is about oil." Those are BS reasons.

[American]

Originally posted by DavidJames
Who the f!!k are you to say this guy is "d!ckless" and to question his bravery. To disagree with his words is one thing, but to question his bravery as you hide behind your monitor in the safety of your own home while he has put himself in harms way is a disgrace. He was a soldier fighting in the war you support yet you have the audacity to question his bravery. Sleep well tonight you cowards.


The thin air in Colorado makes the whole state a bit slow in the head, so I'll keep this simple.

I didn't question his bravery, and "d!ckless" is a figure of speech. His singular goal is to accomplish the mission. If he doesn't believe in it, he's more likely to fail and to inspire others to fail. The military is largely made of dorks, not Rambos. He's probably a compensating wannabe, typical of army culture.

I will sleep well as I always do.. and with plenty of oxygen.

[Shinytop]

Originally posted by American



The thin air in Colorado makes the whole state a bit slow in the head, so I'll keep this simple.

I didn't question his bravery, and "d!ckless" is a figure of speech. His singular goal is to accomplish the mission. If he doesn't believe in it, he's more likely to fail and to inspire others to fail. The military is largely made of dorks, not Rambos. He's probably a compensating wannabe, typical of army culture.

I will sleep well as I always do.. and with plenty of oxygen.

So the military is largely made up of dorks, is it? I wonder what your wonderful experience is that allows you to make such a general statement?

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Shinytop


So the military is largely made up of dorks, is it? I wonder what your wonderful experience is that allows you to make such a general statement?

He's American.

[subgenius]

A thinking man's soldier.
An oxymoron.
More of them, and there wouldn't be any wars.
Death sucks.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by American



"Lead to believe"? You think they're all too stupid to know better? Most believe in the mission. Tim Predmore is a d!ckless exception.
How classless can you get? Call him a vile name and then claim its just a figure of speech.
A real man would just apologize.
Who's the d***less one?
Vuz you dere charlie?

[subgenius]

Predmore and (un)American should have the pleasure of meeting.....in a dark alley.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Grammatron


I did some more research and based on this article (http://www.pjstar.com/news/opedcolumns/b0gtbbgr059.html) he has been in the army for about five years, which means he was there for America's military intervention - without U.N. approval - in Bosnia. It's "strange" but yet I can't find a letter from him condemning America's actions in Bosnia.

The good you've done in the past doesn't undo the evil you are doing now.

[Kodiak]

Anecdotal evidence...

Should I post 30 soldiers' positive opinions about the war for every negative one A_U_P posts, and put this thread to bed once and for all???

You're either getting lazy or desperate, A_U_P...

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by Lord Kenneth
Once you sign up to help defend this country you lose some of the basic rights it supposedly stands for.

Just another sacrifice soldiers are willing to take...

They volunteer to be held to a higher standard.

[shemp]

Originally posted by American



The thin air in Colorado makes the whole state a bit slow in the head, so I'll keep this simple.

I didn't question his bravery, and "d!ckless" is a figure of speech. His singular goal is to accomplish the mission. If he doesn't believe in it, he's more likely to fail and to inspire others to fail. The military is largely made of dorks, not Rambos. He's probably a compensating wannabe, typical of army culture.

I will sleep well as I always do.. and with plenty of oxygen.

Yeah, you need an oxygen tank to overcome the large quantities of methane coming from your fat butt

[shemp]

I guess our resident right wingers are suggesting that the US armed forces are made up of stupid mindless drones who should not think for themselves. What an insult to those brave men and women who do their job and risk their lives daily for their country.

Maybe he woke up and realized that he signed up to fight for his country, not George W. Tush's reelection campaign.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by shemp
I guess our resident right wingers are suggesting that the US armed forces are made up of stupid mindless drones who should not think for themselves. What an insult to those brave men and women who do their job and risk their lives daily for their country.

Maybe he woke up and realized that he signed up to fight for his country, not George W. Tush's reelection campaign.

Strawman... :rolleyes:

Maybe you should wake up and realize you're defending and using fallacies in this thread...

[American]

Originally posted by shemp

Yeah, you need an oxygen tank to overcome the large quantities of methane coming from your fat butt


Shemp's Weigh-In Thread...I am a FAT TURD!...flame me if you wish (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26483)


You are an absolute moron, kid.

[American]

Originally posted by subgenius

How classless can you get? Call him a vile name and then claim its just a figure of speech.
A real man would just apologize.



Yeah, keep checking back. Maybe I'll apologize and say he's not a d!ckless loser who whines and doesn't operate.

[Shinytop]

Hey American, where are your reasons for naming most soldiers dorks? Come on, you make a classless accusation, you must have evidence, you must have a good reason or you are nothing but a troll. Come on, or forever be labeled a jerk.

[Agammamon]

Originally posted by Shinytop
While it is true soldiers are not forbidden to speak to the press it is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) to criticize government officials. And a veteran of five years should know that.

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Article 888 applies only to "Commissioned Officers", the article doesn't say whether he is or isn't. There is no corresponding statute applying to enlisted and 888 only applies specifically to the individuals (or group in the case of Congress) listed and there are a lot of government officials that aren't covered by 888.

What the man says (at least as far as I've read) is not specifically directed at any of the above. He's questioning policy and in that format is considered unprofessional but let's keep in mind that there is a world of difference between unprofessional and illegal.

His complaint seems to be that the American military is supposed to be righteous. We are the good guys and this idea is constantly reinforced. Unfortunately war in general, and this one in particular, is morally ambiguous.

[Agammamon]

Originally posted by subgenius
A thinking man's soldier.
An oxymoron.
More of them, and there wouldn't be any wars.
Death sucks.

Except I would like to point out that we don't start wars, we finish the ones the politicians start.

[American]

Originally posted by Shinytop
Come on, or forever be labeled a jerk.


"Come on"? What is that?! Are you trying to provoke me?

[Agammamon]

Originally posted by shemp
I guess our resident right wingers are suggesting that the US armed forces are made up of stupid mindless drones who should not think for themselves. What an insult to those brave men and women who do their job and risk their lives daily for their country.

Maybe he woke up and realized that he signed up to fight for his country, not George W. Tush's reelection campaign.

I would like to add to this that we may lose some freedoms that you guys keep when we volunteer, but we are still citizens and are still just as responsible for our country's foreign policy as the rest of you. That alone gives us just as much right to question, criticize, and speak out on those policies. The real question is how to balance the needs of the mission against the needs of the nation.

[Shinytop]

Originally posted by American



"Come on"? What is that?! Are you trying to provoke me?

I am trying to provoke you into answering the question now asked twice. But hey, you may be slow, I don't know so I will ask again. What experience do you have that makes you think most American soldiers are dorks? This is your big chance.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by American



"Come on"? What is that?! Are you trying to provoke me?

American, you have complained about women not being interested in you. Maybe a little introspection at this particular point in time would reveal a part of that reason.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Kodiak
Anecdotal evidence...

Should I post 30 soldiers' positive opinions about the war for every negative one A_U_P posts, and put this thread to bed once and for all???

You're either getting lazy or desperate, A_U_P...
Seems to me he just posted one man's opinion....one who is certainly entitled to express it.

[Kodiak]

Originally posted by subgenius

Seems to me he just posted one man's opinion....one who is certainly entitled to express it.

Where in any of my posts have I said he wasn't entitled??

My points were simply that -

1. you can't use one soldier's opinion as evidence that the war is unjust, and

2. it would be just as lazy and/or desperate for me to post anecdotal evidence as proof that the war is just.

Lets just not confuse it with something other than what it really is - propaganda.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by DavidJames
Never mind what this guy said I've got a question for American and Rikzilla. Here is a guy who volunteered to join the service and has fought in Iraq. Who the f!!k are you to say this guy is "d!ckless" and to question his bravery. To disagree with his words is one thing, but to question his bravery as you hide behind your monitor in the safety of your own home while he has put himself in harms way is a disgrace. He was a soldier fighting in the war you support yet you have the audacity to question his bravery. Sleep well tonight you cowards.

Please!

I never called him d**kless....I merely stated the obvious; that he's an idiot.

Mr. James....you tell me I have no right to question this guy's bravery as I "hide behind my monitor" ...really! You know zilch about me,...yet you freely assume. You do know don't you that assumption is the mother of all f--kups right?

I did my time in the US Army Mr. James....I know what I'm speaking of by first hand experience. You OTOH,...what do you know?

-z

[subgenius]

Originally posted by Kodiak


Where in any of my posts have I said he wasn't entitled??

My points were simply that -

1. you can't use one soldier's opinion as evidence that the war is unjust, and

2. it would be just as lazy and/or desperate for me to post anecdotal evidence as proof that the war is just.

Lets just not confuse it with something other than what it really is - propaganda.
Didn't say you said that.
Went back and read the original post, he made no comment on it.
You can use a single opinion as "evidence" on that issue, justice is an opinion itself. Its not a factual determination.
There is often evidence on both sides of issues, opinion and factual. Rarely is one piece of evidence dispositive or conclusive. It certainly can't be conclusive when its a judgement call like the concept of what is "just."
No problem if you want to start a thread with soldiers' opinions that are different. Think its a good idea actually.
Don't think there's anything lazy or desperate about it.
Once again this is all opinion, if you think the war is just, there's really no arguing with that.
Predmore has his opinion, and its a valid one. You have yours, its also valid.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by Kodiak


Where in any of my posts have I said he wasn't entitled??

My points were simply that -

1. you can't use one soldier's opinion as evidence that the war is unjust, and

2. it would be just as lazy and/or desperate for me to post anecdotal evidence as proof that the war is just.

Lets just not confuse it with something other than what it really is - propaganda.

Well said Kodiak.

The pointing to of one or two, or even 100 disgruntled soldiers is nothing more than an exercise in observational selection,.... also called the enumeration of favorable circumstances.

It's also akin to: statistics of small numbers -- a close relative of observational selection (e.g., "They say 1 out of every 5 people is Chinese. How is this possible? I know hundreds of people, and none of them is Chinese. Yours truly." Or: "I've thrown three sevens in a row. Tonight I can't lose.")

-z

With many thanks to Dr. Carl Sagan...gone but not forgotten.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by shemp
I guess our resident right wingers are suggesting that the US armed forces are made up of stupid mindless drones who should not think for themselves. What an insult to those brave men and women who do their job and risk their lives daily for their country.

Maybe he woke up and realized that he signed up to fight for his country, not George W. Tush's reelection campaign.

Wow Shemp,...

Suddenly when you find a US soldier that spouts mindless anti-American drivel like you do soldiers suddenly become brave men and women who do their job and risk their lives daily for their country.

But aren't you usually saying things like:
Originally posted by shemp

And what's wrong with a little target practice using live targets?

It was after dark. Maybe they couldn't find any little children to shoot like they usually do.

:i:

:rolleyes:

-z

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by rikzilla


Wow Shemp,...

Suddenly when you find a US soldier that spouts mindless anti-American drivel like you do soldiers suddenly become brave men and women who do their job and risk their lives daily for their country.

But aren't you usually saying things like:


:i:

:rolleyes:

-z

I merely put it up as Shemp said, one guys impression. It was for several reasons.

1) The letters we have had that are saying everything is hunky-dory
2) You won't get many of these letters published in the first place.
3) To see the reaction. This guy, for some reason, is a "mindless anti-american". And why is that? Because he doesn't tell you what you want to hear.

[crackmonkey]

Why is this single anecdote noteworthy at all? There are over 100 000 US troops in Iraq. The odds are pretty good that not all have the same political outlook. If you are trying to draw any sort of conclusion about troop morale in general from this one anecdote, you truly are either desperate or stupid...

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by crackmonkey
Why is this single anecdote noteworthy at all? There are over 100 000 US troops in Iraq. The odds are pretty good that not all have the same political outlook. If you are trying to draw any sort of conclusion about troop morale in general from this one anecdote, you truly are either desperate or stupid...

Because, to make it, is a great personal risk. Whistleblowers sometimes are subject to so much pressure they suicide.

[Tony]

Is there any evidence that this guy even exists?

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by rikzilla


Wow Shemp,...

Suddenly when you find a US soldier that spouts mindless anti-American drivel like you do soldiers suddenly become brave men and women who do their job and risk their lives daily for their country.

But aren't you usually saying things like:


:i:

:rolleyes:

-z

Wow...
Thank you for the wonderful example of Orwellian double-think.

:roll:

[Skeptic]

Three points:

1). When you pick and choose, you can find a "US soldier" who would claim almost anything, including that they were abducted by aliens. The fact that one soldier out of a few hundred thousands thinks the war is unjust or unfair doesn't make it so.

2). AUP has a history of this sort of "cherry picking" claims, which he implies (wrongly) are somehow evidence of a "silent majority" of discontents or those who disagree with this or that policy. For example, a few weeks ago he posted about an American soldier's family in financial trouble--clearly insinuating that this is a TYPICAL case, when, in fact, it wasn't.

3). This is because AUP's "research" method is googling "USA AND solider AND opposed AND war" (or whatever) and then posting it as "proof" of how evil the US is. Naturally, this is the ultimate in cherry picking, since google is a search engine that will find only those thing that you want it to and ignore all else.

Therefore, the "conclusion" AUP implies is meaningless.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Skeptic
Three points:

1). When you pick and choose, you can find a "US soldier" who would claim almost anything, including that they were abducted by aliens. The fact that one soldier out of a few hundred thousands thinks the war is unjust or unfair doesn't make it so.

2). AUP has a history of this sort of "cherry picking" claims, which he implies (wrongly) are somehow evidence of a "silent majority" of discontents or those who disagree with this or that policy. For example, a few weeks ago he posted about an American soldier's family in financial trouble--clearly insinuating that this is a TYPICAL case, when, in fact, it wasn't.

3). This is because AUP's "research" method is googling "USA AND solider AND opposed AND war" (or whatever) and then posting it as "proof" of how evil the US is. Naturally, this is the ultimate in cherry picking, since google is a search engine that will find only those thing that you want it to and ignore all else.

Therefore, the "conclusion" AUP implies is meaningless.

You should go for the 1,000,000 dollar prize since you are such an excellent mindreader. However, going on your effort in this post, you would lose big time. You have absolutely no idea how I came across the article, have you?

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


You should go for the 1,000,000 dollar prize since you are such an excellent mindreader. However, going on your effort in this post, you would lose big time. You have absolutely no idea how I came across the article, have you?

Forgoing Skeptics claim about how you found the article, everything else does seem to make sense. You picked this article for little to no reason and did not even provide your own opinion about it. You need to be more skeptical of things read on the internet as you can find anything to support any claim.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Grammatron


Forgoing Skeptics claim about how you found the article, everything else does seem to make sense. You picked this article for little to no reason and did not even provide your own opinion about it. You need to be more skeptical of things read on the internet as you can find anything to support any claim.

In fact, I didn't read it first on the internet, but in my daily newspaper. I would hope there has been the usual journalistic process followed of checking sources. Ultimately, I have to get something from somewhere. Skeptic, however, is not just accusing me of reading the newspaper. He has accused me of actually trying to find articles such as this by googling using provacative words. He has accused me of this before. He is simply wrong. Perhaps I should do a google on "why a despicable jew called skeptic is a complete idiot" and see what comes up.

[Shinytop]

And why in the hell would the term "jew" be necessary in your post. Damn if I don't begin to believe all the charges against you.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by Grammatron


Forgoing Skeptics claim about how you found the article, everything else does seem to make sense. You picked this article for little to no reason and did not even provide your own opinion about it. You need to be more skeptical of things read on the internet as you can find anything to support any claim.

In fairness to AUP, this is a very common tactic in this forum.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Shinytop
And why in the hell would the term "jew" be necessary in your post. Damn if I don't begin to believe all the charges against you.

Because Skeptic would be disappointed if it wasn't.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by KelvinG


In fairness to AUP, this is a very common tactic in this forum.

I think it's an isolated issue, but it's sad nevertheless.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Grammatron


I think it's an isolated issue, but it's sad nevertheless.

I don't think I presented it as anything more than what it was, one persons opinion. It is still a valid document to present. You are correct that it does not prove anything, but itself. I would not, expect this letter, by itself, to convince anyone. However, part of the reason I did post it is that I recall another thread in which a pro-war letter was used.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


I don't think I presented it as anything more than what it was, one persons opinion. It is still a valid document to present. You are correct that it does not prove anything, but itself. I would not, expect this letter, by itself, to convince anyone. However, part of the reason I did post it is that I recall another thread in which a pro-war letter was used.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You should know that.

[rikzilla]

Predmore's rant seems only to be carried by media outlets best described as "The Usual Suspects". Such media giants as commondreams, and rense.

...also it sounds alot like the rant of another disgruntled soldier, one Sgt T. McVeigh :rolleyes:

A likely hoax.

-z

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by rikzilla
Predmore's rant seems only to be carried by media outlets best described as "The Usual Suspects". Such media giants as commondreams, and rense.

...also it sounds alot like the rant of another disgruntled soldier, one Sgt T. McVeigh :rolleyes:

A likely hoax.

-z

That proves it then. I shall be waiting for Mr Predmore to plant the bomb.

[rikzilla]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


That proves it then. I shall be waiting for Mr Predmore to plant the bomb.

Go look @ McVeigh's rant..sounds just like you AUP. You and McVeigh...soul-mates. So, have you started working on your own bomb yet? :D

-z