Uri Gellar finally coming clean?? Then I guess I don't hate him.

[EGarrett]

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About 2:55 into this video, Uri bends a spoon on the Today Show...then says, with a smile...

"I just want to add this. Some people think this is paranormal. Some people think that this is magic. I want to leave it a mystery!"

Then, as mentioned in the video...in Nov 2007, he told a magazine..."I'll no longer say that I have supernatural powers. I am an entertainer. I want to do a good show. My entire character has changed."

I have to say that if he continues this...I might stop disliking him. There's nothing with being a good entertainer if you don't lie to people. It may also be that with this new show, he no longer feels that his fame is tied to the supposed genuineness of his abilities...so he might be safe coming clean.

[Tricky]

Off and on. Sometimes he comes clean, sometimes he reverts. Still, it is a remarkable breakthrough. Read Friday's Swift to get Randi's reaction. Understandably, Randi is not willing to shrug off all the lies and cheating and fraud and wasted time and effort just because Uri has finally cracked. But still, it is a red-letter day when one of the most persistent and litigious proprietors of woo comes forth with a confession.

[DJM]

Just the fact that he's created a TV show about magicians/mentalists should give people a clue what he's all about. Good for him.

[CFLarsen]

What does Geller expect? That everyone just forgives him? Lets it go?

Uri Geller is probably the one person who has gotten the most coverage and fame out of being a crook. It will take a hell of a lot more than a single sentence to wipe that out.

How about giving back the money he cheated from people?

Not that I think he is ready to let it go himself. His whole existence hinges on him having supernatural powers. He'll revert soon enough.

[geni]

What does Geller expect? That everyone just forgives him? Lets it go?

Uri Geller is probably the one person who has gotten the most coverage and fame out of being a crook.

Capone? Jean Bastien-Thiry?

[Minarvia]

What does Geller expect? That everyone just forgives him? Lets it go?

Uri Geller is probably the one person who has gotten the most coverage and fame out of being a crook. It will take a hell of a lot more than a single sentence to wipe that out.

How about giving back the money he cheated from people?

Not that I think he is ready to let it go himself. His whole existence hinges on him having supernatural powers. He'll revert soon enough.


Well said. I also don't feel that after all these decades of lying and cheating that he should be forgiven easily. Anyway, I only think he is "coming clean" because he's been caught so many times now and it keeps coming back into his face. I don't think he is doing it because he has suddenly gained a conscience.

[CFLarsen]

Capone? Jean Bastien-Thiry?

Both with rather limited ways of penance.

[devnull]

Ummmm.... what about all the "oil companies" that hired him to divine places to drill?

Oh, I forgot, they never existed :D

[geni]

Both with rather limited ways of penance.

They got more coverage and fame than geller.

[CFLarsen]

They got more coverage and fame than geller.

Evidence?

[LazyPint]

Personally, I find Geller sickening. To knowingly fool those scientists at the Stamford Institute was really cruel. Just thinking about the long term consequences should have stopped him.

I wonder if he actually believed in his abilities back then.

[DJM]

Personally, I find Geller sickening. To knowingly fool those scientists at the Stamford Institute was really cruel. Just thinking about the long term consequences should have stopped him.

I wonder if he actually believed in his abilities back then.

And how's the different than Randi's hoaxes like Project Alpha and Carlos? They both knowingly fooled the researchers and public in thinking it's something real, but then turned out to be nothing but a lie. It's true there was some sort of reason for all that, but it doesn't make it any less cruel.. as you put it.

[geni]

Evidence?
You claim is extrodinary you had better provide some extrodinary evidence given the number of celeberty villians over the centuries geller would have to be pretty exceptional.
Still

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=al+capone&word2=uri+geller
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=The+Day+of+the+Jackal&word2=uri+geller

The actual winner would probably Barabbas if he existed but the likes of Jesse James, Ned Kelly and Dick Turpin probably have higher national fame.

[dirtywick]

And how's the different than Randi's hoaxes like Project Alpha and Carlos? They both knowingly fooled the researchers and public in thinking it's something real, but then turned out to be nothing but a lie. It's true there was some sort of reason for all that, but it doesn't make it any less cruel.. as you put it.

There was a reason for both. One does it to make a bunch of money. The other to expose frauds.

Uri Gellar and them other cats who claim to have paranormal powers always skip the telling the truth part, whereas Randi and Carlos skipped the lying to collect a bunch of money part.

But, yeah, terrible, terrible people all around. Give me a break.

[LazyPint]

And how's the different than Randi's hoaxes like Project Alpha and Carlos? They both knowingly fooled the researchers and public in thinking it's something real, but then turned out to be nothing but a lie. It's true there was some sort of reason for all that, but it doesn't make it any less cruel.. as you put it.

Yeah... I knew cruel wasn't quite the word I was looking for.

If Randi hadn't perpetrated the Project Hoax, would there be other 'psychics' still being tested today?

It's a sticky issue, but I still think Geller should have come clean.

[DJM]

There was a reason for both. One does it to make a bunch of money. The other to expose frauds.

Uri Gellar and them other cats who claim to have paranormal powers always skip the telling the truth part, whereas Randi and Carlos skipped the lying to collect a bunch of money part.

But, yeah, terrible, terrible people all around. Give me a break.

The post I was replying to wasn't about money, it was about making people seem like a fool with cruel hoaxes, and wasting time with false claims. I have a feeling those who spent a few years to research the Alpah Project guys weren't too pleased to find they were spending their time on testing magicians. I believe the same goes for all those who believed in Carlos, including the papers and TV stations who were reporting about it.

So yes, they probably felt like a fool aftewards and felt it was cruel. I agree it's not to the same extent as Geller, but hoax is a hoax.

[tkingdoll]

Ahhh....isn't this related to the recent Israeli law thing? Basically he had to deny having paranormal ability, or face prosecution under their witchcraft laws?

Something like that, anyway.

So it's not so much a change of heart as a protection of bank account.

[DJM]

Geller left Israel about 30 years ago, not sure what it has to do with that.

[tkingdoll]

Geller left Israel about 30 years ago, not sure what it has to do with that.

No, he did a talent show there in 2007 called The Successor.

[dirtywick]

The post I was replying to wasn't about money, it was about making people seem like a fool with cruel hoaxes, and wasting time with false claims. I have a feeling those who spent a few years to research the Alpah Project guys weren't too pleased to find they were spending their time on testing magicians. I believe the same goes for all those who believed in Carlos, including the papers and TV stations who were reporting about it.

So yes, they probably felt like a fool aftewards and felt it was cruel. I agree it's not to the same extent as Geller, but hoax is a hoax.

OK, I understand, sorry.

Curiousity killed the cat: Didn't Randi approach the scientists with an offer to help and they refused because they thought their methods were fool proof? Or am I thinking of something else or just imagining that? I thought I remember that from somewhere.

[DJM]

No, he did a talent show there in 2007 called The Successor.

I live in Israel, and I don't remember hearing any paranormal laws concerning him or anyone else.. Do you have a link about that?

[imjohn]

Evidence?

You seriously believe Geller to be more famous and dangerous than Al Capone was?

[RSLancastr]

Capone? Jean Bastien-Thiry?Richard Nixon.

[alfaniner]

OK, here's an example.

Say today I call you a ****wit, an *******, a **********, a ****************, and a ********.












Several months later I say, "Aw. Just kidding!!!"

Does that negate everything that went before? Someone is trying to use the big giant "NOT!" reset button.

(Yes, I understand I risk a warning or suspension here. But I understand that disguising the words is a worse offense than actually typing them out and letting the nannybot take care of it. I'm willing to take a hit to make the point.)

[CFLarsen]

You seriously believe Geller to be more famous and dangerous than Al Capone was?

You can't compare the present to the past, especially not when it comes to exposure in the mass-media of the modern world. When Al Capone lived, he got a lot of exposure in the US, but he wasn't particularly interesting in other countries. In the years after he died, his "legend" grew, but that's not comparable to a living crook today.

Geller is quite a different type: He became the first international paranormal superstar. In a very short time, he travelled around the world, appearing on TV shows in a lot of countries.

Despite Geller's incredibly boring routine - he basically does the same four tricks, bends cutlery, makes compasses turn, makes clocks go, and guesses drawings, he still manages to get in the media, again and again. All because he has been claiming paranormal powers. What he does in Israel gets reported in Denmark. The international media still loves him, after almost 40 years of doing the same things, over and over again.

Richard Nixon.

He was not a crook. He said so himself....

OK, here's an example.

Say today I call you a ****wit, an *******, a **********, a ****************, and a ********.

Several months later I say, "Aw. Just kidding!!!"

Does that negate everything that went before? Someone is trying to use the big giant "NOT!" reset button.

Indeed.

It's equivalent to allowing yourself to state something, then later recant it - but we never know when you are serious, or serious at all. It's a game of "now I say this, now I don't, but since you don't know when I am serious, you can't ever nail me on anything".

[tkingdoll]

I live in Israel, and I don't remember hearing any paranormal laws concerning him or anyone else.. Do you have a link about that?

I will look for one. I didn't invent the story, but I am hazy on the details so it's possibly not as I recall it (or was tabloid BS to start with, or a forum rumour). Then again you didn't know he'd been back in Israel in the first place :D

[Deetee]

Evidence?
By Googlefight (and Wikiwhack), Capone comes out way ahead of Gellar. Thiry trails in last.

[Steve Knight]

Perhaps someone can check this out:

"I've done that for many years and have a lot of success, but obviously, I claim that I don't possess any power, any supernatural power. No one possesses that power."

This snippet comes from a Toronto Star piece, "Geller comes to fork in the road" (24 Oct. 2007). Unfortunately I'm not in a position to purchase the full text but maybe someone here is already a subscriber & can provide the full text or at least give the context of the quote?

The abstract can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/ysc8fj

[CFLarsen]

By Googlefight (and Wikiwhack), Capone comes out way ahead of Gellar. Thiry trails in last.

Sure, why not let Google decide everything...:rolleyes:

[DeVega]

Only last year, here in the UK, Uri was on the QVC shopping channel selling bangles nd beads, which he claimed to have charged with 'positive energy' - I wonder how much money he took that day, and whether he intends to do refunds?

All in all, I think his recanting is a good thing, for whatever reason - but I think that would be much consolation to Mrs Jane Doe Pensioner, who may have spent £100 on tat...

Nope, I didn't buy any, although I was tempted by the "genuine gold pated" angel figurine!
;-)

[Kiosk]

I don't buy this "good for him" stuff. A grovelling apology to the world is the least we can expect. Not just for fleecing so many people, but for standing in the way of science and reason, and giving succour (and ammo) to the enemy.

[geni]

By Googlefight (and Wikiwhack), Capone comes out way ahead of Gellar. Thiry trails in last.

The catch is that most people don't know him under that name.

[geni]

Sure, why not let Google decide everything...:rolleyes:

We would ecpect a slight distortion in favor of geller due to recemtism. So Capone ends up further ahead. Now please provide some evidence for your position of withdraw it.

[Maxie]

What did Uri do except bend spoons? He really doesn't have much talent as far as I can see. And certainly NO supernatural powers. If you want to see a really good illusionist, watch Criss Angel, (Mind Freak) on A & E. I used to like Copperfield, but with this rape accusation against him, I've turned off him altogether.

[DJM]

I will look for one. I didn't invent the story, but I am hazy on the details so it's possibly not as I recall it (or was tabloid BS to start with, or a forum rumour). Then again you didn't know he'd been back in Israel in the first place :D

Of course I knew that, I even gave updates to the forum while he was doing the show here. :)

What I meant is that if such law existed then the media would have most likely mentioned it when Geller came back to the country after so many years, but I've heard nothing about it. Also, there was a reality show about psychics a few months ago who do readings in real life, and no one tried to stop it. Maybe you just read a rumor or something.

[Wowbagger]

Maybe we should embrace Uri Gellar's change of attitude, and thank him for admitting he is a trickster, and to encourage his growth into the real world.
Yes, he also deserves to be punished for fraud. But, if our attitude against him is too harsh, it will only dissuade other fraudsters from coming out.

[DJM]

What did Uri do except bend spoons? He really doesn't have much talent as far as I can see. And certainly NO supernatural powers. If you want to see a really good illusionist, watch Criss Angel, (Mind Freak) on A & E. I used to like Copperfield, but with this rape accusation against him, I've turned off him altogether.

The key word is ACCUSATION.. he's still an innocent man, and as far as I know the charges were dropped.

Criss is one of the worst magicians in the business, who usually has to use stooges and camera tricks to get some attention. Copperfield has recieved his reputation from performing live in front of people, something Criss is bad at.

[tkingdoll]

Of course I knew that, I even gave updates to the forum while he was doing the show here. :)

What I meant is that if such law existed then the media would have most likely mentioned it when Geller came back to the country after so many years, but I've heard nothing about it. Also, there was a reality show about psychics a few months ago who do readings in real life, and no one tried to stop it. Maybe you just read a rumor or something.

Yeah, it must have been a rumour somewhere (here, maybe?) because I can't for the life of me find any sort of source for it, not even the original place I read it. I thought I was going mad so I checked with a friend who is somewhat of a Geller expert and he confirmed that he'd heard the exact same thing, he thought maybe via Magic Week but I couldn't find any archive there.

A mystery!

Maxie - I bet you £10 the Copperfield rape thing comes to nothing. I believe the woman in question is not his type...

[tsg]

Maybe we should embrace Uri Gellar's change of attitude, and thank him for admitting he is a trickster, and to encourage his growth into the real world.

My feeling is, "too little, too late". What Congressman Derounian said to Charles Van Doran in "Quiz Show" sums up my opinion best: "I don't think an adult of your intelligence should be commended for simply, at long last, telling the truth."

Yes, he also deserves to be punished for fraud. But, if our attitude against him is too harsh, it will only dissuade other fraudsters from coming out.

Somehow I don't think that what our opinions of them will be is what is keeping other fraudsters from admitting they're frauds.

[CFLarsen]

We would ecpect a slight distortion in favor of geller due to recemtism. So Capone ends up further ahead. Now please provide some evidence for your position of withdraw it.

You can't compare pre mass-media coverage, built over many more decades with what Geller has gotten in a mass-media world.

Gee, Caligula gets more hits than Al Capone! ONOES! ONOES!

[DJM]

So Geller made some people think that he can bend spoons and keys with his minds.. such a dangerous man.

The real dangerous frauds are pychics like John Edward and Sylvia Browne who regulary appear on TV to do readings on grieving families and expolit them that way, also in real life. As far as I know, Geller has never done such readings and I find it pretty absurd that some people make him appear worse than he is.

[tkingdoll]

So Geller made some people think that he can bend spoons and keys with his minds.. such a dangerous man.

The real dangerous frauds are pychics like John Edward and Sylvia Browne who regulary appear on TV to do readings on grieving families and expolit them that way, also in real life. As far as I know, Geller has never done such readings and I find it pretty absurd that some people make him appear worse than he is.

I think people here would be less on his case if he wasn't so litigious. Trying to silence critics with frivolous lawsuits is a pretty crappy way to behave.

[Worm]

So Geller made some people think that he can bend spoons and keys with his minds.. such a dangerous man.

The real dangerous frauds are pychics like John Edward and Sylvia Browne who regulary appear on TV to do readings on grieving families and expolit them that way, also in real life. As far as I know, Geller has never done such readings and I find it pretty absurd that some people make him appear worse than he is.

I think some of the problem isn't so much that he make people think he has these powers - it's that he makes people believe that these sort of powers exist at all - and so opens the door to all sorts of woo.

[tsg]

So Geller made some people think that he can bend spoons and keys with his minds.. such a dangerous man.

The real dangerous frauds are pychics like John Edward and Sylvia Browne who regulary appear on TV to do readings on grieving families and expolit them that way, also in real life.

He's not Hitler either, but that doesn't make him a good person. And there's no reason we can't go after all the frauds even if there are worse ones out there.

As far as I know, Geller has never done such readings and I find it pretty absurd that some people make him appear worse than he is.

What people and how have they made him appear worse than he is?

[HarryKeogh]

Didn't he sue Randi (or threaten to) when Randi said he was doing nothing more than doing tricks? Didn't that cost Randi a lot of money and time to defend himself?

I think I'll still hate him for quite a few more years. But I'm vindictive like that.

[CFLarsen]

I think some of the problem isn't so much that he make people think he has these powers - it's that he makes people believe that these sort of powers exist at all - and so opens the door to all sorts of woo.

Indeed.

If you believe that it is possible to have powers like Uri Geller has claimed he has - why would one paranormal claim be any less credible than others?

[DJM]

People believed in woo long before Geller came a long, and they will believe in it long after. Geller might be a crook and a fraud, but most of his career is based on doing magic tricks while claiming powers.. so I see him more like a dishonest magician with too much ego.

If you compare him to others who claim psychic powers, just like Browne and Edward, then you will find he's not that horrible. He wouldn't chrange a fortune for readings with grieving families and he wouldn't exploit people desperate for help. There have been times that he was asked to help find missing people or talk to spirits, and he avoided that.

These days there are magicians who go for the NLP and psychological nonsense as something real, he went for the psychic stuff as something real. Both are lies.

[tkingdoll]

Didn't he sue Randi when Randi said he was doing nothing more than doing tricks? Didn't that cost Randi a lot of money and time to defend himself?


Yes and yes. Geller is now not allowed to sue Randi again, I believe.

[baron]

I think some of the problem isn't so much that he make people think he has these powers - it's that he makes people believe that these sort of powers exist at all - and so opens the door to all sorts of woo.

If you can find more than a handful of TV personalities who don't lie or falsify in some way then I'll buy you a coconut. Geller's untruthes not only did no real harm they probably stimulated a great deal of interest in valid, scientific investigation into the workings of the mind.

Furthermore, would this site and the JREF itself exist in their current evolved form if it wasn't for Geller? Would Randi be as famous as he now is, and thus as able to combat other forms of woo? Possible, but I personally doubt it.

[tumnus]

Furthermore, would this site and the JREF itself exist in their current evolved form if it wasn't for Geller? Would Randi be as famous as he now is, and thus as able to combat other forms of woo? Possible, but I personally doubt it.

...and the united nations wouldnt exist if not for hitler? thats a bit like the joker telling batman that he created him, so why would he destroy him?

No, I think Geller blindsided proper research and resources into the mind into research into his 'powers' I remember as a kid, we really used to believe all this stuff, and my mum would get clocks and things out to hold them by the telly and stop when he was on. It's a bit disappointing to say the least to find out it was a con, when there are more worthy examples of pushing the limits of being human around (Edmund Hilary as one off the top of my head, and a topical one)

[tsg]

People believed in woo long before Geller came a long, and they will believe in it long after. Geller might be a crook and a fraud, but most of his career is based on doing magic tricks while claiming powers.. so I see him more like a dishonest magician with too much ego.

If you compare him to others who claim psychic powers, just like Browne and Edward, then you will find he's not that horrible. He wouldn't chrange a fortune for readings with grieving families and he wouldn't exploit people desperate for help. There have been times that he was asked to help find missing people or talk to spirits, and he avoided that.

These days there are magicians who go for the NLP and psychological nonsense as something real, he went for the psychic stuff as something real. Both are lies.

I still don't see your point. That there are worse people out there doesn't mean he isn't bad.

[DJM]

My point is that the discussions about Geller seem a bit pointless these days. Randi mentions him in about every SWIFT article, usually repeating the exact same things he's published about Geller in the last 30 years. Geller has alreasy been exposed, he does mentalism shows with people doing magic tricks, he doesn't seem to be taking himself seriously anymore. I think it's time to let it go and concentrare on the real bad people out there, who take their claims in the worst direction.

I'd rather see Randi talking about John Edward every single week, rather the same old Geller stuff that people have already read before. No one is getting hurt by spoon bending, and the old stories about how Geller tricked some scietists is a thing of the past.

Time to move on.

[baron]

...and the united nations wouldnt exist if not for hitler? thats a bit like the joker telling batman that he created him, so why would he destroy him?

No, I think Geller blindsided proper research and resources into the mind into research into his 'powers' I remember as a kid, we really used to believe all this stuff, and my mum would get clocks and things out to hold them by the telly and stop when he was on. It's a bit disappointing to say the least to find out it was a con, when there are more worthy examples of pushing the limits of being human around (Edmund Hilary as one off the top of my head, and a topical one)

Disappointment due to an hour of wasted time waiting for a clock to start ticking hardly warrants comparison with Hitler's misdeeds. What I'm saying is it's perfectly clear that Geller did no actual harm and his only "crime" was to mislead people, like almost every other TV personality. Not only that, it can be sensibly argued that he kickstarted - admittedly due to no desire of his own - much useful research and discussion on a number of interesting subjects.

[tsg]

My point is that the discussions about Geller seem a bit pointless these days. Randi mentions him in about every SWIFT article, usually repeating the exact same things he's published about Geller in the last 30 years. Geller has alreasy been exposed, he does mentalism shows with people doing magic tricks, he doesn't seem to be taking himself seriously anymore.

Even if he isn't "taking himself seriously" it doesn't absolve him of what he's done in the past. Keep in mind that he hasn't outright said he's been lying for 30 years. He's just downplaying the paranormal angle hoping people will forget.

I think it's time to let it go and concentrare on the real bad people out there, who take their claims in the worst direction.

Again, there's no reason we can't do both.

I'd rather see Randi talking about John Edward every single week, rather the same old Geller stuff that people have already read before. No one is getting hurt by spoon bending, and the old stories about how Geller tricked some scietists is a thing of the past.

That he's never apologized for or even acknowledged.

Time to move on.

Forgive and forget? I don't think so.

[DJM]

Forgive and forget? I don't think so.


I didn't say anything about that, just to move on. He isn't relevant anymore. Now he's doing magic shows on TV, where he judges mentalists and magicians. A few years ago he wouldn't go near a magician, and now he can't get enough of them. He doesn't seem to be claiming anything special anymore, so all people can do is talk about things he did in the past.

Bottom line is, he used to be a dishonest magician, and now he creates magic shows. That seems like an acknowledgment to me.

[tsg]

I didn't say anything about that, just to move on. He isn't relevant anymore. Now he's doing magic shows on TV, where he judges mentalists and magicians. A few years ago he wouldn't go near a magician, and now he can't get enough of them. He doesn't seem to be claiming anything special anymore, so all people can do is talk about things he did in the past.

Like I said, he's hoping people will forget that he's been lying for thirty years.

Bottom line is, he used to be a dishonest magician, and now he creates magic shows. That seems like an acknowledgment to me.

Not at all. Not even close.

[DJM]

Like I said, he's hoping people will forget that he's been lying for thirty years.

Oh, I doubt that. He's not stupid, he knows people will always remember all his previous claims. And I doubt he cares if people do, that's part of his history.

Not at all. Not even close.

Oh, it is. Very close. Why would a real psychic want to create a magic show, with people doing illusions that he himself does? That would just lead people believe that he does the exact same thing. He could have easily done a show with people who claim to be real psychics without any background in magic, or any other sort of idea, but he didn't. Most of the partcipants are professional magicians, at least that's how it was in the Israeli and American version.

That's just a another way for him to acknowlege this is what he's all about, a person who creates illusion. He admited he's a magician the second he decided to create this kind of show, over a year ago.

[tsg]

Oh, I doubt that. He's not stupid, he knows people will always remember all his previous claims. And I doubt he cares if people do, that's part of his history.



Oh, it is. Very close. Why would a real psychic want to create a magic show, with people doing illusions that he himself does? That would just lead people believe that he does the exact same thing. He could have easily done a show with people who claim to be real psychics without any background in magic, or any other sort of idea, but he didn't. Most of the partcipants are professional magicians, at least that's how it was in the Israeli and American version.

That's just a another way for him to acknowlege this is what he's all about, a person who creates illusion. He admited he's a magician the second he decided to create this kind of show, over a year ago.

You can choose to forget that he's made an entire career, became famous and made a fortune out of claiming to have psychic abilities he did not have if you like. I'm not letting him off that easy.

[Jimcalagon]

. What I'm saying is it's perfectly clear that Geller did no actual harm and his only "crime" was to mislead people, like almost every other TV personality.

Geller has made a pretty good living out of pretending to be a psychic, wouldn't you agree?

Now he didn't make money appear out of mid-air, it was paid by people who went to see his shows, read his books, etc, believing that he was a psychic. If he had had the honesty to admit that he was just a stage magician (and one who could only perform 4 tricks at that) then he would have quickly disappeared from the public eye.

So when you say '...his only "crime" was to mislead people...' I would suggest that he is actually guilty of 'obtaining money by deception'. This is a crime in the UK, and, I assume, in other places as well.

[Ocelot]

Personally, I find Geller sickening. To knowingly fool those scientists at the Stamford Institute was really cruel. Just thinking about the long term consequences should have stopped him.

I wonder if he actually believed in his abilities back then.

You could level the same criticism at Banachek...

I wonder about people who bought Gellar Mechandise on the basis of unprovable supernatural claims.

[ponderingturtle]

Off and on. Sometimes he comes clean, sometimes he reverts. Still, it is a remarkable breakthrough. Read Friday's Swift to get Randi's reaction. Understandably, Randi is not willing to shrug off all the lies and cheating and fraud and wasted time and effort just because Uri has finally cracked. But still, it is a red-letter day when one of the most persistent and litigious proprietors of woo comes forth with a confession.

You forgot the lawsuits for pointing out his fraud.

[ponderingturtle]

Yeah, it must have been a rumour somewhere (here, maybe?) because I can't for the life of me find any sort of source for it, not even the original place I read it. I thought I was going mad so I checked with a friend who is somewhat of a Geller expert and he confirmed that he'd heard the exact same thing, he thought maybe via Magic Week but I couldn't find any archive there.

A mystery!

Maxie - I bet you £10 the Copperfield rape thing comes to nothing. I believe the woman in question is not his type...

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[Ocelot]

Sure, why not let Google decide everything...:rolleyes:

If it's the least worst method why not. You have a better method?

[alfaniner]

You forget the people he sued for claiming that he was a fraud.

[Maxie]

I had heard he made a pay off. Whatever, I'm just glad he's not gay. I went to see Copperfield once. We went by the Civic Center when that "armada" arrived. I swear, 7 semis, 4 buses, Vans, PU trucks, seemed like at least a hundred of people. I had no idea it takes that many people and all that equipment for to perform his illusions.

[Ocelot]

I had heard he made a pay off. Whatever, I'm just glad he's not gay. I went to see Copperfield once. We went by the Civic Center when that "armada" arrived. I swear, 7 semis, 4 buses, Vans, PU trucks, seemed like at least a hundred of people. I had no idea it takes that many people and all that equipment for to perform his illusions.

??? Is this a Joke? ???

[Maxie]

Nope no joke, so many have said he is, the rumor has been around forever, I didn't want to believe it. Did I upset an apple cart or something? It isn't meant as an insult for pete's sake.

[geni]

You can't compare pre mass-media coverage, built over many more decades with what Geller has gotten in a mass-media world.

I can I have. Now provide some evidence for your claim or withdraw it.

[Olowkow]

Maxie - I bet you £10 the Copperfield rape thing comes to nothing. I believe the woman in question is not his type...

Rape has nothing to do with sexual attraction. It is all about dominating and controlling another human being. IMHO.