Lets see what the Troothers make of this...

[Graham2001]

I spotted this news item in a compilation of 'odd news', it's a fairly straightforward tale of a bungling robber:

CHERRYVILLE, N.C. (AP) - Authorities said an unsuccessful robber shot himself in the foot ... by shooting himself in the foot.But then it gets down to the charges resulting from this escapade:

Roberts faces several charges that include attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon and possession of a weapon of mass destruction.:eek:(emphasis mine)

In this case the WMD seems to have been a souped up handgun firing shotgun shells, one can only imagine what the Troofers are going to make of this.

See: AP News Report (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080123/D8UBRNJ00.html), Original Story (http://tinyurl.com/2rn9pt)

[Quad4_72]

I spotted this news item in a compilation of 'odd news', it's a fairly straightforward tale of a bungling robber:

But then it gets down to the charges resulting from this escapade:

:eek:(emphasis mine)

In this case the WMD seems to have been a souped up handgun firing shotgun shells, one can only imagine what the Troofers are going to make of this.

See: AP News Report (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080123/D8UBRNJ00.html), Original Story (http://tinyurl.com/2rn9pt)

Proof of thermite?

[Horace Wheeljack]

Prisonplanet - "Government shill Mark Roberts third cousin Kelvin Ethelbert Roberts has been caught with WMDs"

[cisco]

Mark Roberts third cousin Kelvin Ethelbert Roberts
Of the Eagle River Ethelbert-Roberts's?

[GreNME]

Wow. A handgun that shoots shotgun shells? I want one!

[TheRedWorm]

How's the recoil on that bad boy?

[Gravy]

Wow. A handgun that shoots shotgun shells? I want one!But your hand and wrist don't. Ouch! (Although you can buy conventional handgun cartridges that are loaded with small shot.)

[SpitfireIX]

Of the Eagle River Ethelbert-Roberts's?


No, the, uh, Chippewa Falls Ethelbert-Robertses, actually. :p

[Redtail]

How's the recoil on that bad boy?

Article said ti was a 410 it can't be much. My Granddad had a derringer that fired them.

ETA: Like this one.

http://www.hellinahandbasket.net/cobra_derringer-thumb.jpg

[LastChild]

I spotted this news item in a compilation of 'odd news', it's a fairly straightforward tale of a bungling robber:

But then it gets down to the charges resulting from this escapade:

:eek:(emphasis mine)

In this case the WMD seems to have been a souped up handgun firing shotgun shells, one can only imagine what the Troofers are going to make of this.

See: AP News Report (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080123/D8UBRNJ00.html), Original Story (http://tinyurl.com/2rn9pt)

Yes but did he have any aluminum tubes in his possession? Maybe we need to invade.

OPERATION CHERRYVILLE LIBERATION.

[Redtail]

Yes but did he have any aluminum tubes in his possession? Maybe we need to invade.

OPERATION CHERRYVILLE LIBERATION.

Already did it in high school. 77-0 twas no joy in Cherryville.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Wow. A handgun that shoots shotgun shells? I want one!
Which one?
http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41
Taurus is an excellent company. Started in Brazil, iirc, making Beretta 92 knockoffs (legally, bought the rights to do so). Has since established themselves as a quality manufacturer at good prices.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/BFR.asp
Same company that brought you the Desert Eagle

http://www.thunder5.com/docs1.html
*shrugs*

http://www.amderringer.com/m4.html
Derringer is, of course, almost as iconic as the Peacemaker.

[Hamradioguy]

Ya know, it galls me that politicians, newspeople, and countless others have hijacked the term "Weapons of mass destruction". When I started in the Emergency Management field, way back when it was called Civil Defense" WMD was a Soviet term used to refer primarily to nuclear and thermonuclear weapons (and big ones at that, not those "little" tactical nukes). Can't argue that a 20MT hydrogen bomb can cause mass destruction. But I have a real problem with something thousands of times smaller that can maybe destroy a small house at best.

Now apparently the term has been stretched to include a handgun which fires shotgun shells. Where will it end? ("Your Honor, this kid had a slingshot in his back pocket and some stones in his front pockets." "That's enough for me, Mr. DA. Book him for possession of a weapon of mass destruction...with those stones he could have broken every window in his grade school. "

[1337m4n]

He shot himself in the foot by shooting himself in the foot?

[1337m4n]

How's the recoil on that bad boy?

Well, the article says it can fire .410 cals. I don't know much about firearms, but it sounds pretty big (I know some of the heavy machine guns of WWII were .50)

[Slayhamlet]

This looks to be based on the somewhat odd (and as far as I can tell unique) definition of "weapons of mass death and destruction" in North Carolina state law, set forth here (http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2001/Bills/House/HTML/H1468v6.html), which is apparently a distinct term from "nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons of mass destruction". It seems to include almost any kind of weapon not explicitly permitted by state law, with a particular emphasis on explosives. Of course this definition has no bearing on international (or federal law) whatsoever.

[Slayhamlet]

Ya know, it galls me that politicians, newspeople, and countless others have hijacked the term "Weapons of mass destruction". When I started in the Emergency Management field, way back when it was called Civil Defense" WMD was a Soviet term used to refer primarily to nuclear and thermonuclear weapons (and big ones at that, not those "little" tactical nukes). Can't argue that a 20MT hydrogen bomb can cause mass destruction. But I have a real problem with something thousands of times smaller that can maybe destroy a small house at best.

Now apparently the term has been stretched to include a handgun which fires shotgun shells. Where will it end? ("Your Honor, this kid had a slingshot in his back pocket and some stones in his front pockets." "That's enough for me, Mr. DA. Book him for possession of a weapon of mass destruction...with those stones he could have broken every window in his grade school. "

I agree. It's an exceptionally poor term to go by, and it seems to convey a certain intimidation factor towards the defendant. The fault is, of course, the NC state legislators, who by laziness and lack of imagination didn't come up with a more suitable term.

[R.Mackey]

Wow. A handgun that shoots shotgun shells? I want one!

Sounds like a Magnum Research BFR, as Arkan noted.

.410 is not so useful a load, however. I'd be much more impressed by the version chambered for .45-70. :eek:

"WMD" I don't get. This could be classified as a Destructive Device depending on the state, but "mass destruction?" Ai caramba.

[uk_dave]

I do wonder if this is just another indication of how poor the news media has become in its ability to proof read before publication.

It's quite easy to see how the original reporter was told something such as "...the weapon was modified to be more destructive" or "...the handgun had the potential for destruction on a massive scale compared to an ordinary handgun" and yet, because wmd has become part of the vernacular the reporter ends up mis-representing those comments as 'weapon of mass destruction'.

It's a bit like the thread where someone claimed to show a 'thermite lance', when they had probably intended to write 'thermal lance'.

Reporting can sometimes be very sloppy when there are deadlines to meet and no time to adequately proof read. But sloppy reporting, especially with regard to 9-11, is one of the fuels of the 'truth' movement.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, the article says it can fire .410 cals. I don't know much about firearms, but it sounds pretty big (I know some of the heavy machine guns of WWII were .50)

How's the recoil on that bad boy?
.410, depending on the load will be around 7-10 foot/lbs of recoil. For comparison, a .44 magnum (aka Dirty Harry) has ~7 ft/lbs and the .454 Casull has ~14 ft/lbs.

The .50 BMG is a high power rifle round. It comes in at ~50 ft/lbs.

Keep in mind, recoil is mitigated by a number of factors:the weight of the firearm, whether or not it is ported, the exact load of the round, etc.

ETA:See http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm for nice little write-up and chart (though it is focused on rifles).

[GStan]

No, the, uh, Chippewa Falls Ethelbert-Robertses, actually. :p

[feminine side]

I love Titanic.

[/feminine side]

[rwguinn]

.410, depending on the load will be around 7-10 foot/lbs of recoil. For comparison, a .44 magnum (aka Dirty Harry) has ~7 ft/lbs and the .454 Casull has ~14 ft/lbs.

The .50 BMG is a high power rifle round. It comes in at ~50 ft/lbs.

Keep in mind, recoil is mitigated by a number of factors:the weight of the firearm, whether or not it is ported, the exact load of the round, etc.

ETA:See http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm for nice little write-up and chart (though it is focused on rifles).

er--
that should be ft*lb (or, because the yurpeens are so silly, N*m)
its an energy term.

[TheRedWorm]

Thanks for the info, everybody!

[kookbreaker]

Which one?
http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41
Taurus is an excellent company. Started in Brazil, iirc, making Beretta 92 knockoffs (legally, bought the rights to do so). Has since established themselves as a quality manufacturer at good prices.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/BFR.asp
Same company that brought you the Desert Eagle

http://www.thunder5.com/docs1.html
*shrugs*

http://www.amderringer.com/m4.html
Derringer is, of course, almost as iconic as the Peacemaker.

I prefer the classics m'self. (http://www.civilwar.si.edu/weapons_lemat.html)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

er--
that should be ft*lb (or, because the yurpeens are so silly, N*m)
its an energy term.
For "foot pounds"?

[rwguinn]

For "foot pounds"?

yep. the / means "Divided by", and ft/lb is a inverted distributed load, or inverted beam size(They are usually designated in "pounds per foot", not "feet per pound")

Just wanted to keep the terminology straight...

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

yep. the / means "Divided by", and ft/lb is a inverted distributed load, or inverted beam size(They are usually designated in "pounds per foot", not "feet per pound")

Just wanted to keep the terminology straight...
Copy that. Thanks for the clarification.