We have bigfoot

[luvtinayothers]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&e=14&u=/ap/mystery_apes


"The apes, which stand five to six feet tall and have feet nearly 14 inches long..."

"With no fear of lions, leopards or hyenas, the large animals hoot at the moon as it rises and sets, which is extremely unusual for apes..."

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

What's absolutely amazing, almost paranormal, is that they found nests and collected samples. What a concept!

~~ Paul

[dmarker]

I have one criteria for accepting a new animal. Body, bones (even fossilized), or live specimens.

[Zep]

And already there seems to be more viable evidence for this creature's existence than there is for Bigfoot! :)

But we shall see...

[tracer]

So, do these newly-discovered critters have a name, or are they still called "Mystery Apes"?

[tracer]

Hmmm ...
Williams collected fecal samples from the animals' nests before returning in June from her most recent trip to the Congo. In August, she delivered those samples to the Omaha zoo, where they are being compared with the DNA of captive gorillas, bonobos (pygmy chimps), and chimps
"Based on the DNA we found in this fecal sample you gave us, we conclude that your mystery creature is an African banana tree."

[luvtinayothers]

Originally posted by tracer
So, do these newly-discovered critters have a name, or are they still called "Mystery Apes"?

"Dennis"

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by luvtinayothers


"Dennis"

No, that's too confusing, can we just call it "Bruce"?

[Hazelip]

Originally posted by tracer
Hmmm ...

"Based on the DNA we found in this fecal sample you gave us, we conclude that your mystery creature is an African banana tree." I believe this particular sort of test of DNA is based upon the use of epithelials present in the fecal matter. Cells from the body that naturally slough off during evacuation.

Does anyone have a reference for this sort of method (feces) of testing DNA?

[Blue Monk]

That is so cool.

It will be interesting to see what more they learn.

[zakur]

Originally posted by tracer
So, do these newly-discovered critters have a name, or are they still called "Mystery Apes"? Close. For now, they've been dubbed the Bondo Mystery Apes (http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25018).

[tracer]

"Bondo?" What, are they really really sticky?

[Dragonrock]

Originally posted by tracer
"Bondo?" What, are they really really sticky?

No, they're just made of dark orange fiberglass.

Their alternate name was "RedNeck Apes".

[Hazelip]

Originally posted by Dragonrock


No, they're just made of dark orange fiberglass.

Their alternate name was "RedNeck Apes". I'd love to see one with a mullet. Speaking of which, are there any photos or video published anywhere on-line?

[SquishyDave]

Originally posted by Hazelip
I'd love to see one with a mullet. Speaking of which, are there any photos or video published anywhere on-line?
The article said they had only video, no photos, but they could either put up stills from the video, or put up the friggin video, in this age of technology there is no reason not to show everyone what you found, unless you are a lying scumbag with something to hide.

Not that I'm saying they are lying, but I would like to see a video of these freaky things.

[SquishyDave]

Update, one of the Professors at the Australian National University, Dr Colin Groves, a skeptic himself, thinks they exist.

This directly from one of his students (my sister in-law)
Colin went out there in first semester to try and find them too. He found nests I think, but that was it. He doesn't seem to think that they are a hybrid species, just a subspecies of chimps.

The writer is a complete twat though, "monkey-like lemurs" that's like saying, bear-like koalas. A complete load of bollocks.
Small world huh?

[reprise]

Bondo ape photo gallery (http://www.karlammann.com/gallery-bondo.html)

As I understand it, the question being debated is whether the Bondo apes are a discreet species.

[reprise]

Letter to Omaha Zoo re DNA testing (http://www.karlammann.com/bondo.html#letter82103)

The DNA result, in form of mt DNA was done by three different labs arriving to the same conclusion. (The ground nesting chimps are clearly of the schweinfurthii subspecies). For your information, we are attaching you an exchange of emails between Dr. Wrangham and Dr. Gagneux, the contents of which is self-explanatory and illustrates that carrying out more mt DNA analysis is essentially a duplication of past efforts.

In this context, we also attach a request from Dr. Colin Groves of the DNA data that at this stage would advance the genetic picture. Should your lab be willing and able to carry out this research, this may well be a basis for a constructive collaboration in the future.

[reprise]

Intrigued by the subspecies, Colin Groves, now an anthropologist at the Australian National University in Canberra, examined the skulls in 1970 and determined that they were indistinguishable from western gorillas, one of the two known species of gorilla. No further specimens of this gorilla from Bili have since been found.

From the National Geographic (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0414_030314_strangeape.html) article which has generated in renewed interest in the Bondo apes.

[SquishyDave]

Wow reprise, go nuts :)

It seems as though Colin Groves now thinks they are chimps, not gorillas.

Seems like they are a just a group of slightly whacky chimps, which is not unprecedented.

[Blondin]

Originally posted by SquishyDave
Seems like they are a just a group of slightly whacky chimps...
with really big feet. You know what they say about guys with big feet...

They have trouble buying shoes.

:D

[Eos of the Eons]

http://www.karlammann.com/bondo/deadchimp.html

They even call em chimps.

[Correa Neto]

Ok, the family´s biologist is my wife, but...

Chimp/gorilla hybrids? Is this possible?

"Poachers will not hunt them"? Hard to belive.

A good quality video or pics would also be nice to see. And why not an exam on a sedated specimen (just imagine a bigfoot authopsy video)?