VP Candidates! Getcher Red Hot VP Candidates!

[Regnad Kcin]

Who's the likely, possible, y'never know, certainly-more-plausible-choice-than a-cedar-shoe-tree veep pick for each of the remaining presidential contenders gonna be? What do YOU (yes, YOU) think?

I'll get things started with a guy who will make McCain the younger one on the ticket (http://www.zombiereagan.com/street/portrait.jpg)!

[NeoRicen]

I think if McCain gets the nomination he'll pick Giuliani as his running mate.

Obama might pick someone like Biden.

[Undesired Walrus]

I'd go with Giuliani as well for the Veep. Although, if McCain wanted to balance out the race debate, he could always go for Alan Keyes!:eek:

I cannot see Obama picking Billary. Or vice versa. The hatred is mind blowing.

[Thorn]

Bloomberg speaks highly of Obama, I wonder if there's a chance of him running beside him as VP instead of running independant, which he said he won't do if Obama is the Dem nominee.

[headscratcher4]

Both Hillary and Barak are left with the same electorial problem: they would be first of a kind candidates...a woman and a black. That limits who they can conceivably run with...for example a woman would be out for both. As would a hispanic. Other Dem. Presidential candidates didn't really generate much excitement and would probably make better cabinent choices than running mates. IMO, this leave essentially one possible Dem. VP Candidate: VA Senator Jim Webb. White. Male. Southern. Former Republican. Veteran. War "hero". Former Secretary of the Navy. Moderate Conservative.

This -- or someone else who fits this bill that I can't think of just now -- is the only match that makes sense. Former VA Gov. Mark Warner would be another in this style -- but he's running for Senate. Anyway, IMO, watch Webb....it would give both candidates some balance that they need ... it will be tough, for example, but a way to appeal to some white male voters of a certain age. Veterans...he's got a kid in Iraq. He's a Bush basher...so the party people and the left wing bloggers will love him...it just all seem to fit, IMO.

[Wildy]

So there wouldn't be any chance of seeing Huckabee - Colbert? Or even Obama - Colbert?

[Trakar]

Both Hillary and Barak are left with the same electorial problem: they would be first of a kind candidates...a woman and a black. That limits who they can conceivably run with...for example a woman would be out for both. As would a hispanic. Other Dem. Presidential candidates didn't really generate much excitement and would probably make better cabinent choices than running mates. IMO, this leave essentially one possible Dem. VP Candidate: VA Senator Jim Webb. White. Male. Southern. Former Republican. Veteran. War "hero". Former Secretary of the Navy. Moderate Conservative.

This -- or someone else who fits this bill that I can't think of just now -- is the only match that makes sense. Former VA Gov. Mark Warner would be another in this style -- but he's running for Senate. Anyway, IMO, watch Webb....it would give both candidates some balance that they need ... it will be tough, for example, but a way to appeal to some white male voters of a certain age. Veterans...he's got a kid in Iraq. He's a Bush basher...so the party people and the left wing bloggers will love him...it just all seem to fit, IMO.

They are both corporatist, republican-lite candidates as it is, and you want to "balance" them with another further Right Republican-lite candidate?! amazing!!

[dudalb]

Charlie Christ,GOP Governor of Florida,is getting a lot of play as a McCain VP.

[dudalb]

They are both corporatist, republican-lite candidates as it is, and you want to "balance" them with another further Right Republican-lite candidate?! amazing!!
Sorry,America is not about to elect a Hugo Chavez type are President.

[Trakar]

Sorry,America is not about to elect a Hugo Chavez type are President.

Boy, there's an insightful response!

For a bit of support of my position regarding Republican-lite try these articles (more available):

Why conservatives love Barack Obama (C:\Documents and Settings\Dorajane Apuna\Desktop\AOL topics\Obama\Why conservatives love Barack Obama Salon_com.mht)

Clinton and Obama are Republican-Lite (http://peering-through-the-muck.blogspot.com/2007/11/clinton-and-obama-are-republican-lite.html)

Hillary's Foriegn Policy (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=11&year=2007&base_name=re_hillary_clintons_foreign_po)

[Puppycow]

Boy, there's an insightful response!

For a bit of support of my position regarding Republican-lite try these articles (more available):

Why conservatives love Barack Obama (C:\Documents and Settings\Dorajane Apuna\Desktop\AOL topics\Obama\Why conservatives love Barack Obama Salon_com.mht)

Clinton and Obama are Republican-Lite (http://peering-through-the-muck.blogspot.com/2007/11/clinton-and-obama-are-republican-lite.html)

Hillary's Foriegn Policy (http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=11&year=2007&base_name=re_hillary_clintons_foreign_po)

Your first link there is broken. And then there's this (http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/).

ETA: The second link says they support free trade. Free trade is good. Even liberal economists agree with that.

[Trakar]

Your first link there is broken. And then there's this.

ETA: The second link says they support free trade. Free trade is good. Even liberal economists agree with that.

I'll try to dig it out of my files, here's a similar piece (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/fraser)for now (---sorry wrong link put in first time)

[steverino]

You have derailed this thread, which specifically asks for a NAME for VP.

I thought either would want Bill Richardson, but then I heard somewhere he is a raging alcoholic. But then, so was Churchill.

[Trakar]

I'll try to dig it out of my files, here's a similar piece (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080211/fraser)for now (---sorry wrong link put in first time)

Hmmm, still can't locate the original link for the other piece but here are several pieces that illustrate the types of concerns I am referring to in regards to Obama seeming Republican-lite:

Obama, the netroots, and ‘conservative frames’ (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14101.html)

Reassuring Conservative Obama Supporters (http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/12/144529/279)

Barack Obama; A Reagan Conservative? (http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2008/01/barack-obama-a.html)

Obama's false Reagan analogy (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/1/24/11020/9637)

Obama, Lieberman, and the DLC (http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/)

Memo to Hillary and Obama: Please give up these right wing myths (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/131443/346/866/439489)

"Do Obama supporters who celebrate his hoped-for ability to bring us together realize that "us" includes the insurance and drug lobbies? OK, more seriously, it's actually Obama who's being unrealistic here, believing that the insurance and drug industries - which are, in large part, the cause of our health care problems - will be willing to play a constructive role in health reform. The fact is that there's no way to reduce the gross wastefulness of our health system without also reducing the profits of the industries that generate the waste." (Krugman, Dec 19, 2007, Seattle Post-Intelligencer)

Krugman says, "As health care goes, so goes the rest of the progressive agenda. Anyone who thinks that the next president can achieve real change without bitter confrontation is living in a fantasy world. Paul Krugman says Obama is not for change. By his position on health care he is really anti-change. Yes, he is. And he is NO progressive. He also has very little substance. An Obama presidency will not usher in progressive change. It will be anti-change. It will be more conservative, less liberty, more controlling, less democracy. It will be a bleak future.

Please let's do look at Mr Obama's senate record! one of his first votes after being sworn into office was to transfer most class action suits to federal courts, where multi-billion-dollar companies found guilty of race, gender or general employee abuse are given meager, slap on the wrist fines. In the process of taking class action suits out of state courts, where the penalties to offending corporations have historically been much harsher. One of his next votes was to be against an amendment to put a cap of 30 percent on credit card debt charges. And it should be no surprise that a fraction of that multi-billion dollar gift to the most unproductive sector of the economy wound up in his campaign coffers. He stood down while only California Senator Barbara Boxer stood up to challenge the theft of Black voting rights in the 2004 election. He coddled American Manifest Destiny queen Condoleezza Rice and Bush Supreme Court nominees, while doing nothing - absolutely nothing - to materially aid Katrina victims. He has stuck to positions on the Iraq war and health care that are practically indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton's - and in no way threaten the military-industrial complex or health care-insurance industries. Obama is a status-quo company man. And I haven't even touched upon ANWR, Abstinance education, or "Don't Ask Don't Tell"

[Trakar]

You have derailed this thread, which specifically asks for a NAME for VP.

I thought either would want Bill Richardson, but then I heard somewhere he is a raging alcoholic. But then, so was Churchill.

You are correct my apologies.

Democratic Veep,...hmmm, depends are we talking about an active partnership, strong Veep, more along the lines of Cheney, or a nobady even remembers him, Mondale?

[rtalman]

Some blogs I read are making a lot of talk about Tim Pawlenty as McCain's first choice for VP.

[Regnad Kcin]

I'd vote for your avatar.

[LawnOven]

I'd go with Giuliani as well for the Veep. Although, if McCain wanted to balance out the race debate, he could always go for Alan Keyes!:eek:

I cannot see Obama picking Billary. Or vice versa. The hatred is mind blowing.

Haha, the Illinois republicans tried that already when Obama ran for the senate. It was ****** hilarious. :D

The main sticking point with Illinois voters seemed to be that Alan Keyes is crazy

(It was totally obvious that they picked a black guy, to run against the other black guy, and besides that Keyes.. erm... "ideas", didn't mesh well with the illinois republican party or the voting public in general.)

[rtalman]

The main sticking point with Illinois voters seemed to be that Alan Keyes is crazy
You mean it wasn't the 'Mighty Mouse' voice?

[LawnOven]

oh it was a lot of things... of course the "charisma void" that is keyes didn't help, especially against the apparently "kennedyesque" obama.

I just checked, Obama got 70% of the vote vs. keyes 27%, so says the mighty wiki.

Edit!: now looking back I remember why it was all so hilarious... this was a big part of it:

The campaign was one of the strangest races in state history -- a contest between a liberal political superstar and a conservative former ambassador who had never lived in Illinois. And Keyes was far from the GOP's top choice.
Investment banker-turned-teacher Jack Ryan won the Republican primary in March, but dropped out of the race three months later after records were released from his divorce with "Star Trek: Voyager" and "Boston Public" actress Jeri Ryan. The documents revealed embarrassing allegations that the candidate took his wife to sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans and tried to get her to perform sex acts while others watched.
http://www2.indystar.com/articles/4/191586-7434-168.html


It wasn't enough that his (ex) wife is totally hot, nooo, he had to have more.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Ah yeah, good times.

I remember when he called gay people "sinfull hedonists" and said that gay adoption would lead to incest.

I was surprised that there were 27% of people crazy enough to vote for him.

His concession speech was hilarious though, "I will to continue to fight for the rights of the unborn who are being murdered!"

[CptColumbo]

Some blogs I read are making a lot of talk about Tim Pawlenty as McCain's first choice for VP.That's what I've been hearing the most about, but of course I would in MN. If McCain had won MN his chances would be much better, and if MN didn't have the longest streak of the Dem Nominee winning a state. (freakin' Mondale).