Taking a trip to the creation museum!

[FM21.105]

I live near the creation museum, but I've never been. It's about an hour and a half away from me, and I decided "Hell, lets go!" So a friend and I are taking a video camera up there and I'm going to film anything I can find.

I'm actually filming for a guy on youtube who's name is thunderf00t (He makes the video series "Why do people laugh at creationists") and I wanted to get an interview with "expert" up there. Turns out, all their doctors are not in the museum on Saturday. A guy named Mark Looy told me he would see if he can get one to drop by hopefully so I can get a 10 minute filming session with him, but he told me to don't quote him on it.

Anyway, since I'm assuming most of you haven't been (And some of you aren't American), what is it you specifically want me to film? If I can get an interview, what do you want me to ask?

My only rules from the guy I might be interviewing is that he explains all his theories without mentioning evolution. One question to him will be to describe to me his understanding of what evolution is, but that should be the only time he mentions it. I'm also going to ask him what predictions creationism makes, assuming he says it is scientific, and how it helps the world. I'll also ask what the would show falsifiability in creationism, and what experiments can be done with creation "science" (Although I won't do the hand quotes while I ask him)


Any other ideas?

[Cold one]

How about how old he believes humans are, or the earth for that matter.

[articulett]

Ask him about the chromosome 2 fusion...

[XBoxWarrior]

I live near the creation museum.

How unfortunate.


Anyway, since I'm assuming most of you haven't been

Great Assumption!!!

what do you want me to ask?

Ask him why my Uncle is in prison for smoking weed?

Or better yet........who created what?

or maybe, why the hell do I have five fingers? I only use four? or sometimes maybe three......and I only use two to type.

[Outback Jack]

Ask them how the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods happed at the exact same time!

If you want a preview of what you'll be seeing,
search for "scalzi'dot'com"
click "whatever (blog)"
Search for "creation museum report"
The article you want was posted on Nov 12th.

I highly recommend taking a look at the photo tour. That's where these photos came from.

[Outback Jack]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this.

In the picture on the left, it says this creature is known from only a single specimen and yet it was found in both Utah AND Wyoming!

[Monza]

...I'll also ask...what experiments can be done with creation "science" (Although I won't do the hand quotes while I ask him)


Any other ideas?


I think this is a very good question. Since it is science and presumably many universities and instritutions will be studying it, how does he propose money dedicated for science research be spent? What hypothesis will be researched? What experiments will be performed?

[Elind]

Ask if there could be life anywhere else in the universe, and if so what its purpose might be.

If the answer is no, ask what's the point of hundreds of billions of galaxies, that we can see, each with their hundreds of billions of stars.

[devnull]

My prediction: 5 seconds into the interview he'll realise you're not a young-earth creationist, and will suddenly have something better to do.

[fuelair]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this.

In the picture on the left, it says this creature is known from only a single specimen and yet it was found in both Utah AND Wyoming! Obviously very long or died crossing the border ('durn them illegals).

[articulett]

Who named God, "God"?

[halofish2000]

I believe they claim that modern man walked and lived with dinosaurs. Could there have been a species that is extinct today but existed 3-4K years ago...maybe. But to use the passage in Job40:15 to support this claim makes no sense. Besides, how do they explain for behemoth has visible stones? Never seen stones on a reptile.

[Wowbagger]

Does he accept "micro-evolution"? If so, ask him: Why can't a bunch of "micro-evolutions" result in a "macro-evolution"?

Ask him if he thinks evolution violates thermodynamics, and if he does, what experiment can be done, to demonstrate this, fundamentally?

Ask him Adam had a belly button.

[halofish2000]

The word god is generic for all gods. Elohim is representative of any and all gods....there were many. Jehovah (y ho vah) is Hebrew for self existent or eternal.

[halofish2000]

Just a question....If evolution results in organisms changing into a higher order through time, can this process reverse? Can things de-evolve?

[Nogbad]

Ask if there could be life anywhere else in the universe, and if so what its purpose might be.

If the answer is no, ask what's the point of hundreds of billions of galaxies, that we can see, each with their hundreds of billions of stars.

.....and given that we can measure the speed of light and we can determine the size of galaxies and distance of stars and therefore know that we are observing light that actually took place billions of years ago. This means the rest of the universe was here but Earth wasn't - doesn't sound desperately sane.

Could it be that young Earther creationists are a Satanic plot to make us think we have to ditch our brains to "get faith"?

[Elind]

.....and given that we can measure the speed of light and we can determine the size of galaxies and distance of stars and therefore know that we are observing light that actually took place billions of years ago. This means the rest of the universe was here but Earth wasn't - doesn't sound desperately sane.

Could it be that young Earther creationists are a Satanic plot to make us think we have to ditch our brains to "get faith"?

Actually I think some creationists who have learned that much simply say that God created the photons at the instance of creation in the positions that allow us to "see" that far. I presume that means that they accept that there exist galaxies 15 billion light years away, except that they were created 6 thousand years ago. (God can do that stuff).

The question still remains. What are they for?

[A Christian Sceptic]

Ask him how long a day was 6,000 years ago - in milliseconds. :D

[Morrigan]

I live near the creation museum, but I've never been. It's about an hour and a half away from me, and I decided "Hell, lets go!" So a friend and I are taking a video camera up there and I'm going to film anything I can find.
I hope you're getting in there for free. :( Don't support these fools just for the sake of a video... :\ Especially since devnull's prediction is most likely accurate.

Ask them how the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods happed at the exact same time!

Dear Cthulhu, that's hilarious. Those creationists are even more retarded than I thought... and trust me, I thought that the graph in Family Guy was generous. :D

[Parsman]

Just a question....If evolution results in organisms changing into a higher order through time, can this process reverse? Can things de-evolve?

Seems to be a common error from creationists. Evolution doesn't mean all creatures evolve into a higher order (e.g. become more sophisticated) it simply means they evolve to fit their ecological niche. If a creature thrives quite happily in an unchanging environment there is no need for further evolution.

[modecom]

I'm actually filming for a guy on youtube who's name is thunderf00t (He makes the video series "Why do people laugh at creationists").............


Thunderf00t (http://www.youtube.com/user/Thunderf00t)is one of my all time favourite youtubers. He's videos pwning venomfangx (http://www.youtube.com/user/VenomFangX)are some of the funniest around.

He also makes some very good science videos.

[m_huber]

You should be strategic in the order you ask questions. I wouldn't try to trap him with words, since your point is to make a youtube video. Instead, I would go with the strategy of pandering to his beliefs. Ask him how he knows that dinosaurs and humans coexisted. I'm not sure about asking the falsifiability question, as that might tip your hand. Maybe ask it later in the interview. I would ask him what the best evidence is for creationism, and ask a question about supposed human evolution (Lucy might be a good one to ask about). Mostly, though, I would just let him talk and do as little disagreeing as possible. These guys do not know science, and what they do know they stretch to meet their beliefs. If you just let him talk, you'll have the funniest video possible. You aren't going to change his mind (not on his home turf, especially), so don't waste your video trying.

[Father Dagon]

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this.

In the picture on the left, it says this creature is known from only a single specimen and yet it was found in both Utah AND Wyoming!Makes the ~2348 BC look mild in comparision.

And for the interview: Go for inverted McChartyism. Just give the expert enough time...

[Nogbad]

Actually I think some creationists who have learned that much simply say that God created the photons at the instance of creation in the positions that allow us to "see" that far. I presume that means that they accept that there exist galaxies 15 billion light years away, except that they were created 6 thousand years ago. (God can do that stuff).

The question still remains. What are they for?

Magic wand is always an out I suppose. :boggled:

[FM21.105]

Well, I just got back. I should have wrote down these questions, because I forgot many of them, but I think I did pretty well. I'm extracting the video right now, but in summary, he doesn't even accept micro-evolution (Even the vatican accepts it...) and people who are evolutionists are advancing the atheistic secular society. Falsifablity of creation would apparently resort in falsifability of the bible (When I asked him the falsifability of creation, he had a look on his face as if I called his mother a word that starts with a C), and that cannot happen apparently. You also can't do any expermients with creation science, nor does it make any predictions. Also, instead of answering my question when I asked "Many critics say you already have the answer in mind, and that isn't science. What do you say?" He responded "UH EVOLUTION DOES THAT! THEY ALREADY HAVE A SECULAR ANSWER PREDETERMINED" He also equated astronomical evolution (Which he called the big bang, hahaha) and biological evolution, and said they were practically the same, just dealing with different things. He also said that Issac Newton wasa creationist, and it helped him develop gravity (When I mentioned that he was also an alchemist, he completely shrugged that off and continued)

I tried not to debate the entire time, but sometimes he made some really stupid statements and I had no other choice because brain was hurting so much I had to alleviate the pain.


I'll upload the raw footage to youtube, and send it to thunderf00t

[articulett]

Wow... I bet he doesn't even know what "alchemy" is. Creationists are not trained how to think... they are just told what to think... and when not to. (It's arrogant to question, God, after all...)

You'd think truth would matter to religionists... but believing the lie despite all evidence to the contrary apparently matters more.

[bokonon]

You should be strategic in the order you ask questions. I wouldn't try to trap him with words, since your point is to make a youtube video. Instead, I would go with the strategy of pandering to his beliefs. Ask him how he knows that dinosaurs and humans coexisted. I'm not sure about asking the falsifiability question, as that might tip your hand. Maybe ask it later in the interview. I would ask him what the best evidence is for creationism, and ask a question about supposed human evolution (Lucy might be a good one to ask about). Mostly, though, I would just let him talk and do as little disagreeing as possible. These guys do not know science, and what they do know they stretch to meet their beliefs. If you just let him talk, you'll have the funniest video possible. You aren't going to change his mind (not on his home turf, especially), so don't waste your video trying.
I agree with this. Asking penetrating questions is just going to shorten the interview. Go in there like you're making a film for your Sunday school class back at Braindead Baptist Church, and let him talk. Do a "walk and talk," if possible, and let him show you around the museum and expound on the science behind the exhibits. "What is the source of that information?" should be about as belligerent as the questions get, with the idea that YOU will be parroting his answers later to shut up the smartalecs back at BBC.

[Iamme]

Who named God, "God"?

God/good; devil/evil. Interesting, isn't it?

[articulett]

God/good; devil/evil. Interesting, isn't it?

evil backwards is live....

Santa is an anagram for Satan

just fascinating....

surely it's some sign, eh?

Or are these things only "interesting" when they confirm your biases?

Gee willikers, it must be fun to be vapid!

[FM21.105]

Well youtube is giving me problems, but I'm going to see if I can somehow get around this 10 minute restriction. It's barely 11 minutes, and I felt it was an alright interview. If I can get it up, I'll update this thread.

[FM21.105]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=n7YUbqkfkh0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CFDMlrvCH7U

[EDIT] Figured it out

[bokonon]

Newton's discovery of creative gravity. Gotta love it.

[X]

Interesting.

I wonder if they'll try to silence you and thunderf00t?

Oh, and props to Articulett for using "vapid" in a sentence.

[Elind]

That was very good. You kept your cool and asked good questions in the time allowed. I feel almost sorry for the man, to be so blind.

BTW, the forum link doesn't work for me, but the email notification one did.

[FM21.105]

;3400059']Interesting.

I wonder if they'll try to silence you and thunderf00t?


How? They don't have a copyright on it, and I'm not making profit off of it.

And I won't remove it, regardless of what lawsuit they want to push on me.

[Elind]

On what basis could they? Why would they?

[Foster Zygote]

There was talk a while back of a JREF road-trip to the Creation Museum, but only if we could play the rather politically incorrect song Takin' Retards to the Zoo by The Dead Milkmen on the stereo.

[FM21.105]

On what basis could they? Why would they?

Exactly. It's their words, and it's from one of their head honchos, why reason would they take it down...

[KS_SKEPTIC]

The word god is generic for all gods. Elohim is representative of any and all gods....there were many. Jehovah (y ho vah) is Hebrew for self existent or eternal.

For the record:
The name "Jehovah" is a Christian mistake. It was forbidden to pronounce the name "YHWH" (Yahweh), and readers of the Hebrew scriptures were supposed to say "Adonai" in its place. "In written texts the vowels of Adonai were combined with the consonants YHWH to remind readers to pronounce Adonai instead of Yahweh. The incorrect hybrid, 'Jehovah,' arose from Christian misunderstanding in the late Middle Ages."(Harper's Bible Dictionary)
http://www.ffrf.org/index.php

[KS_SKEPTIC]

God/good; devil/evil. Interesting, isn't it?

Friend/Fiend. Interesting, indeed!!!