More Bad News for "Debunkers"

[bofors]

"THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM. CONCRETE MELTS AT 3000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, PROVING THAT TEMPERATURES INSIDE THE COLLAPSED WORLD TRADE CENTER HAD TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH." - whatreallyhappened.com

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6107/dsc7411we0.jpg

GUN ENCASED IN CONCRETE AND GUN-CASING REMAINS: The U.S. Customs House stored a large arsenal of firearms at its Six World Trade Center office. During recovery efforts, several handguns were found at Ground Zero, including these two cylindrical gun-casing remains and a revolver embedded in concrete. Fire temperatures were so intense that concrete melted like lava around anything in its path" - New York Police Museum

[boloboffin]

How exactly is this bad news for debunkers?

[Tbone]

So WTC6 was an inside job?

[Unsecured Coins]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105131

[pomeroo]

"THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM. CONCRETE MELTS AT 3000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, PROVING THAT TEMPERATURES INSIDE THE COLLAPSED WORLD TRADE CENTER HAD TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH." - whatreallyhappened.com

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6107/dsc7411we0.jpg

GUN ENCASED IN CONCRETE AND GUN-CASING REMAINS: The U.S. Customs House stored a large arsenal of firearms at its Six World Trade Center office. During recovery efforts, several handguns were found at Ground Zero, including these two cylindrical gun-casing remains and a revolver embedded in concrete. Fire temperatures were so intense that concrete melted like lava around anything in its path" - New York Police Museum


Wow! This is bad news! All these years the secret was safe. Not a single scientist or engineer in the world was able to put two and two together. It took a fantasist who knows nothing whatever about science. Yup, you've shown clearly that there were fires in the Towers. Next, you'll want us to believe that planes hit those buildings. You've got us on the run.

[Redtail]

How exactly is this bad news for debunkers?

Because the argument is now the fire was to hot to melt steel?

ETA: And they put it on display at the New York Police museum! This proves that it was a cover up!!!

[Gravy]

I believe he means, "More bad news for controlled demolition crackpots, who still have not explained how explosives or thermite could account for fires in the piles that lasted for months, much less fires under WTC 6." And you'd have to be awfully naive to assume that a placard at the Police Museum accurately depicts the physics of 9/11.

[beachnut]

whatreallyhappened.com - one stop nut case source

[Myriad]

That is a poignant reminder of the NYPD and Port Authority police officers who were killed in the terrorist attacks. It is indeed bad news, though most people are already aware of it.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[CHF]

Wait, wait, wait....

So does this mean the neo-cons used thermite to melt concrete at the WTC?

[Mince]

Wait a minute, the temperatures weren't hot enough to melt steel, remember?

Jesus Christ, which story are you guys going with this hour?

I wonder why they put evidence of their crimes on display in a big museum.

[Darth Rotor]

"THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM. CONCRETE MELTS AT 3000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, PROVING THAT TEMPERATURES INSIDE THE COLLAPSED WORLD TRADE CENTER HAD TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH." - whatreallyhappened.com

Uh, high temperatures applied over time is how iron ore was first smelted. That would be a few thousand years BC.

How is this comment, in caps, anything that changes anything about 9-11?

Care to share, or are you unaware?

DR

[defaultdotxbe]

"THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM. CONCRETE MELTS AT 3000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, PROVING THAT TEMPERATURES INSIDE THE COLLAPSED WORLD TRADE CENTER HAD TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH." - whatreallyhappened.com
so guns encased in "molten concrete" (concrete as a whole doesnt melt BTW, its a composite material and it will break down before its component parts begin to melt) prove 3000 degree fires

how do you reconcile this with the fact that the metal in those guns would melt around 2500 degrees?

[Pardalis]

Again with the volcano similes?

[Mince]

Kind of what I figured, www.whatreallyhappened.com (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com) is a very convoluted website which takes a half an hour to scroll to the bottom of the one page. And, of course, all of those stories are accurate. I wonder where Rivero and his staff got the time and other resources to go into the field to verify all of those stories. Regardless, I believe them merely because they're posted on a website. They wouldn't be posted there if they weren't true.

Rivero must be Jeff Rense's son.

[Gravy]

I wonder why they put evidence of their crimes on display in a big museum.Because the Police Museum is the very last place you'd expect to find it. Unfortunately for the NWO, the truthers had to resort to looking in the very last place.

[Pardalis]

So guns melted with concrete in the rubble.

And?...

[Mince]

How is this comment, in caps, anything that changes anything about 9-11?

Care to share, or are you unaware?

DR


Won't happen. Like most truthers, bofors likely borrows opinions from websites and propagates them elsewhere without any critical understanding or analysis. It's an earmark for them.

[realitybites]

'Cause we all know...

RULE #1 in carrying out a conspiracy is always put smoking gun evidence on display in museums.

Dylan Avery discovered this rule when he found the black boxes of AA11 and UA175 on display at the New York State Museum.

(Unfortunately for Mr. Dylan, they were only pictures of the black boxes. Not the real things.)

(Oh, and as fate would have it, they weren't from the flights, either. Just pictures used at Ground Zero to help clean-up crews identify them should they be recovered.)

[Pardalis]

RULE #1 in carrying out a conspiracy is always put smoking gun evidence on display in museums.

Oh, smoking gun, I thought melted gun. Somebody screwed up with the memo.

[Pardalis]

That is a poignant reminder of the NYPD and Port Authority police officers who were killed in the terrorist attacks. It is indeed bad news, though most people are already aware of it.

Respectfully,
Myriad

If I recall WTC 6 also had alot of guns and amunitions stored there.

[pomeroo]

If I recall WTC 6 also had alot of guns and amunitions stored there.


Not to mention WWII German Tiger tanks.

[Pardalis]

Not to mention WWII German Tiger tanks.

I wasn't kidding, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_World_Trade_Center

[defaultdotxbe]

is everyone here reading whatreallyhappened.com right now or does their server really suck this much?

im getting 5k trying to download the full resolution copies of those pictures, although so far it doesnt look like the concrete melted at all

[ElMondoHummus]

Hmmmm... looks like thermite can melt concrete:

Link: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5532449.html
Also: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5532449-claims.html

On the other hand, I don't know exactly how you'd keep the PLASMA ARC torch going during the building collapse, so I'm a bit hard pressed to see how this is applicable to the WTC events.

But hey! Think outside the box, no?

[Pardalis]

On the other hand, I don't know exactly how you'd keep the PLASMA ARC torch going during the building collapse

Suicide welders?

[Alareth]

There are "good" fantasy lives and "bad" fantasy lives. I'll leave it to the observers to determine which kind we are dealing with.

[ElMondoHummus]

Heh... and in this experiment (http://www.vtt.fi/inf/pdf/tiedotteet/2005/T2311.pdf), they conducted an experiment with thermite in a - here goes - concrete crucible.

Apparently, the crucible didn't melt.

Wonder if there's a new incendiary- or explosive ;) - out there that can account for this new concrete-melting behavior that's been observed.

[ElMondoHummus]

Suicide welders?


Well, if they find a union card in the rubble...

[Good Lt]

So Bofors -

Where'd you go?

Why don't you explain to us why this is "bad news for debunkers?"

[Pardalis]

Well, if they find a union card in the rubble...

They could be scabs, you know how they are.

[defaultdotxbe]

if anyone is interested ive uploaded the hi-res pictures to my server (better than wrh, at least at the moment)

again, it doesnt look to me like the concrete melted, its possible some other reaction was at work

http://xbehome.com/pics/albums/Upload/DSC_7411.JPG
http://xbehome.com/pics/albums/Upload/DSC_7412.JPG
http://xbehome.com/pics/albums/Upload/DSC_7413.JPG
http://xbehome.com/pics/albums/Upload/DSC_7414.JPG
http://xbehome.com/pics/albums/Upload/DSC_7415.JPG

[pomeroo]

I wasn't kidding, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms was there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_World_Trade_Center


That's interesting. I didn't know that--obviously. But wouldn't it be cool if they did have Tiger tanks?

[Unsecured Coins]

well, that USED to be a 9mm...

[Unsecured Coins]

That's interesting. I didn't know that--obviously. But wouldn't it be cool if they did have Tiger tanks?


why? The Panzer was way cooler

[pomeroo]

why? The Panzer was way cooler


Panther. They were all panzers. But you're right. The Panther was fantastic. I liked it so much when I was a kid that I bought and assembled the Aurora model of it twice.

[defaultdotxbe]

why? The Panzer was way cooler
Panzer is typically translated to english as "tank" so in that sense the Tigers were Panzers

the designation of the Tigers was Panzerkampfwagen VI (my great grandfather was in the 7th Panzer division under Rommel)

[jaydeehess]

Ok let me get this straight.....


Temperatures go up by some mechanism and the conrete 'melts' which means that it is at a temperature of 3000 deg then a gun ends up in this concrete and a gun is constructed of steel which has a melting point of about 2000 deg and this results, after the mass cools, in the gun being somewhat recognizable in the mass...............

Why did the steel not melt unto an unrecognizable blob when surrounded by material that was at a temp 50% higher than the melting temp of steel?

....... just asking questions ya know...........


More probable........ concrete is exposed to high temps, 800 -1000 deg and spalls creating large areas of extremely hot constituents of concrete into which these guns land. The whole mass cools and the constituents of the mass loosely congeal. I would imagine that a sharp hammer blow would free that metal from the mass pretty quick. What they have there is little better than sandstone.

[Redtail]

Panzer is typically translated to english as "tank" so in that sense the Tigers were Panzers

the designation of the Tigers was Panzerkampfwagen VI (my great grandfather was in the 7th Panzer division under Rommel)

Really? My "real" granddad was in the 761st under Patton.

[MetalliSociety]

Panther. They were all panzers. But you're right. The Panther was fantastic. I liked it so much when I was a kid that I bought and assembled the Aurora model of it twice.

No way.The King Tiger was the best tank of the war!

[Newtons Bit]

This is pure idiocy. Concrete doesn't melt and then reform back into concrete.

[David Wong]

If Bofors doesn't even believe it enough to stay with the thread, why are we spending time with it?

It's not a discussion, it's spam.

[Redtail]

No way.The King Tiger was the best tank of the war!

You Sir , have never seen Kelly's Heroes.

[Redtail]

If Bofors doesn't even believe it enough to stay with the thread, why are we spending time with it?

It's not a discussion, it's spam.

Well we are talking about WWII tanks now.

[timhau]

'Cause we all know...

RULE #1 in carrying out a conspiracy is always put smoking gun evidence on display in museums.


Yeah, that's in the NWO rulebook allright. I never understood why, but it's there. It's right before the rule that if you ever catch someone called James Bond and want him dead, instead of putting a bullet in his brain you have to come up with a slow, complicated, and risky way of doing it.

[MetalliSociety]

You Sir , have never seen Kelly's Heroes.

Does Hogan's Heroes count?

[ElMondoHummus]

You, sirs, are killjoys (not you RedTail :) ). Me, I'm finding great entertainment in musing just how the fantasists will explain plasma arc welders working on the day of the collapse and melting concrete without anyone noticing.

ETA: (... or timhau, or MetalliSociety... sheesh, how'd you guys post so fast?)

[fuelair]

BOFORS GONE?

That is to say he seems to have posted and run as if he wanted us to think he was acting like the annoying whiney little kid at the party who wants everyone to listen while he farts the Star Spangled Banner. I'm sure it is a real emergency that has kept him from returning though.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[fuelair]

No way.The King Tiger was the best tank of the war!
Like the Tiger, Loved! the Panther!!:)

[steve s]

Originally Posted by defaultdotxbe
(my great grandfather was in the 7th Panzer division under Rommel)

Really? My "real" granddad was in the 761st under Patton.


Grandfathers? Great grandfathers! You guys are making me feel old. My father faught in WWII (B-17 pilot.)

Steve S.

[Corsair 115]

Grandfathers? Great grandfathers! You guys are making me feel old. My father faught in WWII (B-17 pilot.)About time we got the conversation switched over to WWII aircraft! I'm not really a tank kind of guy...

[Redtail]

Grandfathers? Great grandfathers! You guys are making me feel old. My father faught in WWII (B-17 pilot.)

Steve S.

That's not that old I had a Sgt in the Army (E-6 IIRC) Whose father was a surgeon, and screamed at somebody to "GET THE F*** OUT OF MY LIGHT!" and looked up to see it was Patton. (At least that's the story.:D)

[Redtail]

About time we got the conversation switched over to WWII aircraft! I'm not really a tank kind of guy...

P-51 Mustang (Yes I'm Biased! :D)

[Stellafane]

Speaking of bad news...I can't remember the last time any came our way. Seriously, for the past couple of years it's been one horse laugh after the other as far as 9/11 debunking is concerned.

[MetalliSociety]

P-51 Mustang (Yes I'm Biased! :D)

The saying in the war was "If you want the girls you flew a Mustang. If you wanted to make it home, you flew a P-31 Lightning"

[mrbaracuda]

No way.The King Tiger was the best tank of the war!

Meh, too slow. We should all admit that the best one was the T-34 ;) The tracks alone..
Zee Germans still had the better cannons and crews though! :p

[Gravy]

The saying in the war was "If you want the girls you flew a Mustang. If you wanted to make it home, you flew a P-31 Lightning"P-38. But that might apply better to the P-47 Thunderbolt, which was a bit of a flying tank.

[Corsair 115]

P-51 Mustang (Yes I'm Biased! :D)Pfft! Little more than a flying gas tank. :D

Vought F4U Corsair, now there's a king of the air!

P-38. But that might apply better to the P-47 Thunderbolt, which was a bit of a flying tank.The IL-2 Sturmovik qualifies as being rather like a flying tank.

[Hokulele]

Local legend has it that there is the wreckage of a Zero out in the woods on the Big Island. Despite many hours of bush-whacking, we still haven't found it. :(

[Redtail]

The saying in the war was "If you want the girls you flew a Mustang. If you wanted to make it home, you flew a P-31 Lightning"

.... I'm missing the problem.

Pfft! Little more than a flying gas tank. :D

Vought F4U Corsair, now there's a king of the air!DUDE! 6 months ago I was moving to Chicago. The move went to hell in a hand basket because Murphy (The one with the law) caught up with me and kicked me in the teeth. BUT!!! One rainy day I was in the Macy's near Navy Pier and I see an old man with a Jacket. On the Jacket is a Skull and Cross Bones and the words Jolly Rodgers. I asked him "Sir? You were a member of the Jolly Rodgers?" he said "Yes". I introduced myself, And brought him and his wife sandwiches. I was f'n giddy. Because 30 years ago I had sat on a porch in Virginia listening to the stories of Tuskeegee Airmen, AND at that moment I was sitting across the table listening to the stories of a Jolly Rodger! I had just turned 35 and I was giddy! I was lucky enough to say thank you to two representatives, of my favorite units who flew my favorite planes. :D

[MetalliSociety]

P-38. But that might apply better to the P-47 Thunderbolt, which was a bit of a flying tank.

Doh! I got my numbers mixed up. Once again you are correct sir. And a second Doh! for mixing up the planes themselves. You're right about the Thunderbolt AKA the "Jug". For some reason I thought the Jug was always the Lightning. Gosh darn it now i'm mad at myself. :mad:

[MetalliSociety]

.... I'm missing the problem.

DUDE! 6 months ago I was moving to Chicago. The move went to hell in a hand basket because Murphy (The one with the law) caught up with me and kicked me in the teeth. BUT!!! One rainy day I was in the Macy's near Navy Pier and I see an old man with a Jacket. On the Jacket is a Skull and Cross Bones and the words Jolly Rodgers. I asked him "Sir? You were a member of the Jolly Rodgers?" he said "Yes". I introduced myself, And brought him and his wife sandwiches. I was f'n giddy. Because 30 years ago I had sat on a porch in Virginia listening to the stories of Tuskeegee Airmen, AND at that moment I was sitting across the table listening to the stories of a Jolly Rodger! I had just turned 35 and I was giddy! I was lucky enough to say thank you to two representatives, of my favorite units who flew my favorite planes. :D

Sweet story my man! My grandfather served in the Air Force (forget the specifics). He used to repair bombers and such over in the Pacific theatre and sometimes talks about the time over there. God I love history....probably why I majored in it and am going for my Masters in it(hence why I'm mad I mixed the planes up the Gravy corrected).

BTW. I'm suprised this hasn't gotten moved out yet:D

[leftysergeant]

I would say that the crust is merely crumbled and re-aggregated concrete. It was a hoit and wet environment. rust formed pretty quickly, I am sure. There was, additionally, quite a store of live ammunition present in the building at the firing range. Recovery crews describe finding "bullet balls," hundreds of rounds melted together. I wonder, though, how much of the metal remained where it melted.

In addition to the chemical process of rust formation, we need to consider the kind of atmosphere that the burning of what must have been a couple hundred pounds, minimum, of smokeless powder. The atmosphere would have been very rich in nitrates.

I am thinking now of a video clip that keeps popping up as proof of the "molten steel" myth, in which a couple of first responders mention being underground and seeing metal flowing "like lava." Were these guys FDNY or PAPD? Not being fire fighters, they would put a different interpretation to what they observed, as seems to be reflected in the text displayed with these relics.

BTW, the Panther was a knock-off of the best tank of the war, the T-34. The Koenigstiger was a bad idea for a country short of gasoline and structurally sound bridges.

[R.Mackey]

Meh, too slow. We should all admit that the best one was the T-34 ;) The tracks alone..
Zee Germans still had the better cannons and crews though! :p

Seconded. No other practical MBT was as far ahead of its time.

[Foolmewunz]

Why do all these twoofer threads announcing bad news for debunkers remind me of the first 45 minutes of The Bad News Bears.

They do exactly what Matthau would do... in the early part of the movie.

Matthau: Who are we playing next week?
Team: The Tigers.
Matthau: And what does that mean?
Team: (totally non-convinced and unenthusiastic) Bad news for the Tigers.

And then they'd go out and get their butts kicked, regularly.

The trouble with the TM is that they're still waiting for Tatum O'Neal to show up with that wicked hanging curve and fastball, so they can catch Gravy looking at a called third strike.

Kids, uh... It Was A Movie... You realize that, don't you?


(Foolmewunz wanders off mumbling... "Now where'd that Bofors guy disappear to. I would swear he was around here, somewhere. I can see his droppings...")

[SpitfireIX]

P-51 Mustang (Yes I'm Biased! :D)


I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count. :D

[SDC]

Nuts. Soviet T-34. (Have I got that right?)

[Father Dagon]

You Sir , have never seen Kelly's Heroes.Are you implying that the american (and by extension also the soviet) tanks was superior to the german tanks?

1-on-1 was the german tanks superior, but they lost to american and soviet zerg rushing. (And BTW, the Abrams tank is a joke with its heat signature.)

[westprog]

The saying in the war was "If you want the girls you flew a Mustang. If you wanted to make it home, you flew a P-31 Lightning"

"How bad was it, son?"

"Sir, they shot up my P-38 so bad it came back as a P-31".

And the Panther was a T-34 copy.

[Wildy]

Are you implying that the american (and by extension also the soviet) tanks was superior to the german tanks?

1-on-1 was the german tanks superior, but they lost to american and soviet zerg rushing. (And BTW, the Abrams tank is a joke with its heat signature.)

Well of what I understand of Soviet tanks, it isn't really fair to compare them to American ones.

Mass produced Soviet tanks were better then mass produced American tanks.

The problem with Germany is that they had all this really good stuff but they didn't have enough of the really good stuff.

(A silly comparison, also with bad lip synching)

1. German tank commander
"This is tank will protect me and rain death on the enemy.

*bangs hand on tank, sickening thud*

"AAAAARRRRGGGHHH my hand"

2. Soviet tank commander
"This tank will support our glorious war against the Fascists"

*Bangs hand on tank, regular thud*

3. American tank commander
"This tank is the best piece of technology in the world, there's no way we can lose"

*bangs hand on tank, hand goes through the tank's armour*

"Err... as I was saying, this tank is the best piece of technology in the world..."

[Unsecured Coins]

(And BTW, the Abrams tank is a joke with its heat signature.)

Hello. You have my attention. What were you saying about the Abrams?

(all other posters make a circle around Dagon and Coins, chanting "nerd off, nerd off")

[Wildy]

And the Panther was a T-34 copy.

The Panther was designed to be the counter T-34, while the T-34 was basically a counter-every-German-tank-design-that-they-have.

So the Germans were basically copying the Germans.

[Myriad]

Speaking of getting home alive...

Years ago I was doing data acquisition for circadian rhythm studies. We were looking at how circadian rhythms are affected by light, in elderly versus young people. The subjects had to live for up to several weeks in a room the size of an average hotel room, which were sealed from outside light, and therefore totally dark during sleep periods.

One of our elderly subjects had to drop out part way through, due to unexpected claustrophobia. It turns out he had flown 25 missions as the belly gunner in a B-17 back in the day.

It ruined a $125,000 study, and I couldn't have been more grateful. I felt honored just to have met the guy.

Oh, and re the topic:

I can imagine various ways the crushed concrete might have sintered around the metal at plausible high temperatures, perhaps cemented together with melted powdered glass.

And I realize the weapons displayed are apparently from the armory and not the personal sidearms of officers who perished there. But it's still a reminder.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[bje]

Once upon a time,
Steven Jones went round and round,
Dancing to his find,
Of melted steel underground

"Wherefore doth you come?"
Bombs, or thermite, could it be?
No way could he shun
His unknowing fantasy

In heat, he researched
Come Fetzer, come here to me!
To see our new church
A blob of stuff, steel you see

Be gone, you cretin!
Said Fetzer searching for beams
No metal can melt
Around steel rebar, he screamed

Shaken to the core
But determined to be right
Jones set to his chore
Assured it will be thermite

Alas, it came to him
Dust to dust, steel to concrete
Really, it's not spin or whim
Themite it is, so discrete

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1593947a481d8ed575.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10543)

[PixyMisa]

Grandfathers? Great grandfathers! You guys are making me feel old. My father faught in WWII (B-17 pilot.)
Ditto. Though my father never saw action - training as bomber crew (radio gunner), caught pneumonia, and the war was pretty much over before he was back on active duty.

[16.5]

Bofors:

I know you are the king of hit and run, but I gotta tell you, just spamming the thread with crap for a woo site seems a little like plagiarism doesn't it?

[chillzero]

Early warning. If this doesn't go back on topic shortly, I'll move it all to History, so you can discuss WWII, etc, to your hearts' content.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

"THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM. CONCRETE MELTS AT 3000 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT, PROVING THAT TEMPERATURES INSIDE THE COLLAPSED WORLD TRADE CENTER HAD TO BE AT LEAST THAT HIGH." - whatreallyhappened.com

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6107/dsc7411we0.jpg

GUN ENCASED IN CONCRETE AND GUN-CASING REMAINS: The U.S. Customs House stored a large arsenal of firearms at its Six World Trade Center office. During recovery efforts, several handguns were found at Ground Zero, including these two cylindrical gun-casing remains and a revolver embedded in concrete. Fire temperatures were so intense that concrete melted like lava around anything in its path" - New York Police Museum

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4464353.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxide

[Mince]

Early warning. If this doesn't go back on topic shortly, I'll move it all to History, so you can discuss WWII, etc, to your hearts' content.


Just delete the thread. It's substantive value = 0. It's an obvious attempt to stir the nest by an OP who likely believes what he posted.

[~enigma~]

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4464353.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxide
I was reading the wiki link and I have a question. What exactly is prehistory and if it really is prehistory then how could we know it? Technically, prehistory is BEFORE history which means somewhere around 14.8 billion years ago.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I was reading the wiki link and I have a question. What exactly is prehistory and if it really is prehistory then how could we know it? Technically, prehistory is BEFORE history which means somewhere around 14.8 billion years ago.

History as in the written record.

[~enigma~]

History as in the written record.
ok but last time I checked history was both written and oral.

[Myriad]

ok but last time I checked history was both written and oral.


Yes, but the academic definition of "prehistoric" is basically, "earlier than known/existing written records."

On topic: sintering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintering). (I used the term above, but some readers might be unfamiliar with it. Note the "heating the material below its melting point" part.)

Respectfully,
Myriad

[~enigma~]

Yes, but the academic definition of "prehistoric" is basically, "earlier than known/existing written records."
Well it seems just a little unacademic to add the prefix pre to an existing word and by doing that NOT modifying the definition by the use of pre but REDEFINING the root word. Just seems foolish...sort of oxymoronish like jumbo shrimp :)

[Myriad]

Well it seems just a little unacademic to add the prefix pre to an existing word and by doing that NOT modifying the definition by the use of pre but REDEFINING the root word. Just seems foolish...sort of oxymoronish like jumbo shrimp :)


Probably reflects the prejudices of earlier times, when oral history was largely disregarded and archaeology was primitive. Pretty much the only way to investigate history was to study written material.

On topic: Ooh, melted concrete, with guns in it! Whatever could it mean?????

Respectfully,
Myriad

[leftysergeant]

The Police Museum is not intended to be a resource for scholarly research. Such tend to be more useful as an inspiration to furture practioners of law-enforcement related professions.

I doubt that these artifacts were submitted to even their NYPD's forensic specialists for examination to verify their significance.

If you have ever walked along a salt water beach in a major urban area, you will have seen numerous examples of rusted iron forming aggregates of rust and sand and bits of shell, frequently of concrete. Water plays a greater role in forming such aggregates than does heat.

[Drudgewire]

whatreallyhappened.com - one stop nut case source
Oh come on, they're only interested in the quest for truth at thejewsdidit.com.

[WildCat]

Just another hit and run...

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