[Merged]Terral shows us the picture of an A-3 crashed at the Pentagon

[ElMondoHummus]

Elmondo:
Just to add, Can you imagine AA and UAL's on-time rating if both had two flights 6.5 years overdue.:eek:

LOL... it'd totally be in the pot, you're right.

[pomeroo]

Hi Twinstead:




I am happy to walk these readers through the process of knowing for certain that AA77 and AA11 never even left the airport on 9/11 (detailed here (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x182246#182248)) by simply using online Bureau of Transportation records available to everyone.

1. Begin at the BTS Website here (http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml) showing Detailed Statistics Departures.

Here you have the option to request any information from “Scheduled Departure Time” to “Actual Departure Time,” to “Departure Delays” and “Wheels-off Times.” There are no tricks involved by using this website at all, but you simply plug in the requests for any given day and the information database provides you with the information.

2. Statistics: Since we want all the data possible, then simply select “All Statistics” and all the boxes will automatically fill in for you.

3. Origin Airport: We are looking for data on Washington, DC – Washington Dulles International (IAD) for this AA77 Flight.

4. Airline: You want to select American Airlines (AA) for this field, because obviously AA77 is an American Airlines Flight.

5. Month: We want to select the month of September, i.e., 9/11.

6. Day: Again, we want to find information for 9/11, so 11 is the right day.

7. Year. We need information from 2001.

8. When all the fields are selected properly, then hit the “Submit” button.

Now you are looking at a chart (like this (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/aa77departure.jpg)) of AA (American Airlines) Flights ‘scheduled’ to take off on 9/11. Everything appears normal, until you begin looking down the “Tail Number” column and see “Unknown” in big fat letters. Note that the real tail numbers are recorded in the same horizontal rows as the “Wheels-off Time” and “Actual Departure Time” numbers, because that ‘tail number’ was read by a real live human being charged with accurately filling out the data sheets for all of these flights. You obviously cannot read the tail number off any ‘canceled’ flights, because they never made their way to the runway. There is no “Wheel’s-off Time” filled in for flights that were canceled, so we find those field boxes “zeroed out” to contain no value at all.

Next, we can see AA 0077 in the second row from the top with the accurate 8:10 Scheduled Departure Time with the 0326 (3 hours and 26 minutes) Scheduled Elapsed Time duly noted. However, the Actual Elapsed Time is also zeroed out, because this flight WAS CANCELED like every other “zeroed-out” Flight you see on this chart. The 911Truth is that the FBI/DoD Cover Story people have been using a canceled flight to make their “AA77 Hit The Pentagon” Case from the very beginning. This is what the evidence is saying, which everyone can see clearly for themselves; even those among you pushing the Official FBI/DoD Cover Story . . .

GL,

Terral


So, you've been caught lying again. Acknowledging your attempted deception would require intellectual integrity: you are a conspiracy liar. As you've been caught lying repeatedly, isn't it time for you to flee with your tail between your legs.

[Calcas]

So, you've been caught lying again. Acknowledging your attempted deception would require intellectual integrity: you are a conspiracy liar. As you've been caught lying repeatedly, isn't it time for you to flee with your tail between your legs.

Yep.

I would love to see him come back and try to defend his "I'm a general contractor" BS.

Do you think Gage and his cronies over there even care about false claims like that?

[BeAChooser]

Since the two engines obviously did NOT exit the C-Ring wall anywhere, then the only conclusion possible is that Flight 77 never crashed into the Pentagon at all. The C-Ring Exit Hole HAD to be created by something other than ANYTHING connected to a real 100-Ton Jetliner.

I can't help but notice that Terral just ignored my posts #40 and #45 to him in this thread: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105532 . They addressed the issue of the damage to the Pentagon, it's consistency with a 757 impacting it, and the issue of the engines. Wonder why he had no response ... no response at all? ;)

[Terral]

Hi Mikillini:

Mikillini >> Flight 77 did takeoff from Washington Dulles International Airport.....so where did it go??
And there were passengers on that plane...where are they? Have you some information to share with their families, Terral?

Bump for Terral.


How many times must we go through the same aspect of ‘the’ 911Truth that AA11 and AA77 NEVER TOOK OFF on 9/11? Are we BLIND??????? The Serendipity website does a wonderful job of showing you ‘the’ 911Truth here (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm).

Your "What about the families?" questions should be directed at Senor Bushie . . . All I can do is lead the horse to water . . .

GL,

Terral

[beachnut]

Hi Mikillini:
How many times must we go through the same aspect of ‘the’ 911Truth that AA11 and AA77 NEVER TOOK OFF on 9/11? Are we BLIND??????? The Serendipity website does a wonderful job of showing you ‘the’ 911Truth here (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm).

Your "What about the families?" questions should be directed at Senor Bushie . . . All I can do is lead the horse to water . . .

GL,Terral
Hi Terral:
How many times can you get ever single thing you post WRONG???????
Flight 11 and 77 did take off on 9/11, the web site you posted is WRONG, like all of your posts.
No, you better tell the families, or are you an action less, just like your fact less posts?
If you ever gets a single thing right on 9/11 after a perfect recorded of WRONG displayed in each post; it will be an event. Do you really like Bush enough to have an avatar showing Bush did something?
I am very sorry for saying your posts were as if Bush was making them. Your posts have zero facts, and even Bush gets some facts right by mistake, you have not had that problem yet.

JC,

Christos

[DGM]

Hi Mikillini:




How many times must we go through the same aspect of ‘the’ 911Truth that AA11 and AA77 NEVER TOOK OFF on 9/11? Are we BLIND??????? The Serendipity website does a wonderful job of showing you ‘the’ 911Truth here (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm).

Your "What about the families?" questions should be directed at Senor Bushie . . . All I can do is lead the horse to water . . .

GL,

Terral
Quote from the site you linked:
On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, on-time statistics are not available for these flights.

Intelegent people realize this and you are self debunking. Sad.

[TheRedWorm]

Terral, where is the picture of an intact A3 at the Pentagon? No changing the subject. No pictures of little pieces that could just as easily come from a Boeing 757-223. No speculation. Just post a picture of an intact A3, or admit that your beliefs are not based on evidence.

[Terral]

Hi Chooser:

Chooser >> I can't help but notice that Terral just ignored my posts #40 and #45 to him in this thread: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105532 . They addressed the issue of the damage to the Pentagon, it's consistency with a 757 impacting it, and the issue of the engines. Wonder why he had no response ... no response at all?


These moderators removed Gravy’s (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=30365&t=76819) Thread from this Conspiracies Forum to place it in their “Abandon All Hope” garbage can. I have no intention of writing defending arguments on Gravy’s thread where he refused to answer my questions ‘and’ so much effort is spent burying the thread to hide his shame and embarrassment. If that is the way the cookie crumbles around here, then these readers become the neglected party and your questions may as well be directed at the Wailing Wall (http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/K/F/JeruWailingWall1927b-l.jpg) or outer cotton picking space . . . (http://www.brrecords.com/outerspaceM8.gif)

I have already told everyone that this Board is no place to be looking around for ‘the’ 911Truth. This is the ‘debunker’ website where the Official Cover Story is king . . .

GL,

Terral

[beachnut]

Hi Chooser:
These moderators removed Gravy’s (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=30365&t=76819) Thread from this Conspiracies Forum to place it in their “Abandon All Hope” garbage can. I have no intention of writing defending arguments on Gravy’s thread where he refused to answer my questions ‘and’ so much effort is spent burying the thread to hide his shame and embarrassment. If that is the way the cookie crumbles around here, then these readers become the neglected party and your questions may as well be directed at the Wailing Wall (http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/K/F/JeruWailingWall1927b-l.jpg) or outer cotton picking space . . . (http://www.brrecords.com/outerspaceM8.gif)
I have already told everyone that this Board is no place to be looking around for ‘the’ 911Truth. This is the ‘debunker’ website where the Official Cover Story is king . . .
GL,Terral
Hi Terral:
Gravy does not usually post to fact less fantasy statements. You have no substance yet on 9/11 issues. Please stop SPAMING threads with false junk. At least make a comment on why you believe such stuff. Why do you post web sites and fail to see they do not support your ideas or they are just pure junk without support.

You do not even post your own ideas, just repeating false, failed tired information based on lies and misinformation disseminated by people trying to fool people unprepared and ignorant on 9/11.

You will have to stop posting false information, it makes you look like you are unable to understand 9/11.

SSPBAI

[eeyore1954]

The 911Truth is that the FBI/DoD Cover Story people have been using a canceled flight to make their “AA77 Hit The Pentagon” Case from the very beginning. This is what the evidence is saying, which everyone can see clearly for themselves; even those among you pushing the Official FBI/DoD Cover Story . . .

GL,

Terral

It's absolutley amazing that Terral believes the same people who were capable of arranging all the retrofitting and all the other things you believe were involved in Senor Bushies plan were unable to make sure the plane was also reported as having been taken off. It's also amazing that he does not realize that if the on time report meant what he believes it does it has not been picked up and reported on.

Didn't the Loose change movie also have a ridiculous claim about pilots seeing the same planes that crashed on 9/11.




didn't the first Loose Change movie also have some stupid comments about pilots seeing the planes

[MIKILLINI]

Hi Mikillini:

How many times must we go through the same aspect of ‘the’ 911Truth that AA11 and AA77 NEVER TOOK OFF on 9/11? Are we BLIND??????? The Serendipity website does a wonderful job of showing you ‘the’ 911Truth here (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm).

Your "What about the families?" questions should be directed at Senor Bushie . . . All I can do is lead the horse to water . . .



Sometimes the horse can lead you to water, Terral. Your accusatory manner is quite unchristian like: "Judge not lest ye be judged".

Heres a list for you Terral, it's the victims who flew on 9/11. Their families have and still grieve for them to this day.

http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm

Now out of all of those who boarded flights 11, 77, 93, and 175, friends or family gave some of them a ride or came with them at the terminal to see them off. Have you seen anything about them claiming their government killed their friends and family?

Your belief in AA77 as being a "false flight" would have to include American Airlines as in on it, since there were pilots needed to fly these planes. How good of a decision would that have been for American to be part of the conspiracy?
As it was, they nearly went bankrupt from 9/11.

That stupid serendipity website also claims the Naudet brothers had knowledge of what was going to happen. Why? Because they were where they were to capture video of the crash of flight 11.
Making circumstantial accusations is typical of twoofers, you have shown to do the same.

[twinstead]

Ah, the Naudet brothers. Those sneaky bastards.

So, I think I need a score card now, there's just too many people in on this.

Maybe this will be easier: who exactly wasn't in on the plot?

[DGM]

Ah, the Naudet brothers. Those sneaky bastards.

So, I think I need a score card now, there's just too many people in on this.

Maybe this will be easier: who exactly wasn't in on the plot?
Terral

[Terral]

Hi Elmondo:

Elmondo >> In short, Terral is distorting yet another basic, verifiable fact. The Bureau of Transportation Statistics did not say that AA 77 was cancelled. The bureau said that the 9/11 flights were deliberately not included in the databases.


Please forgive, but Elmondo is deliberately misrepresenting the truth like MANY of these JREF members bent on defending the Official Cover Stories at every turn. I will not present the entire case again, but will direct you to where Elmondo’s nonsense is clearly refuted:

Serendipity Website: (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm)

Go down to the second chart beginning with "Date, Flight no., Destination, Etc.." and begin noting the details. You are looking at the data for all four 9/11 Flights for September 10 and September 11, 2001. You can see the “Tail no.” (Tail number) for each Jetliner entered in the next to the last column with the Actual Departure time. Do you see UA 93 ‘zeroed out’ for September 11? No? Why not? I thought the Bureau said the 9/11 flights were deliberately not included in the databases? :0) This is nothing but NONSENSE, because the Database includes ALL these flights ‘and’ MANY flights have zeroed out data. The only ‘two’ flights NOT to take off were AA11 and AA77 and on 9/11, because BOTH of those flights did take off on 9/10 the day before.

If you are really interested in knowing ‘the’ 911Truth about AA11 and AA77, then do your own investigation starting right here on the Serendipity Website. Go back to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml) and look up the information for yourself like I showed everyone here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3417634&postcount=229). See if these flights have data ‘zeroed out’ like every other canceled flight on that page, OR if the AA77 and AA11 were deliberately not included in the database information. The writer of this post (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x182246#182248) called the Bureau to ask them specifically about the 'zeroed out' flights here (http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/bts_090707.mp3). Elmondo cannot show us where AA77 crashed ANYWHERE and he is just talking nonsense to sow doubt in the minds of these readers and for what? He is defending the Official Bush Administration/DoD Cover Story . . .

GL,

Terral

[MIKILLINI]

Ah, the Naudet brothers. Those sneaky bastards.

So, I think I need a score card now, there's just too many people in on this.

Maybe this will be easier: who exactly wasn't in on the plot?

Exactly; I know i wasn't....although I have been accused of being an accessory to the "official coverup" of the OCT.

[DGM]

Hi Elmondo:




Please forgive, but Elmondo is deliberately misrepresenting the truth like MANY of these JREF members bent on defending the Official Cover Stories at every turn. I will not present the entire case again, but will direct you to where Elmondo’s nonsense is clearly refuted:

Serendipity Website: (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm)

Go down to the second chart beginning with "Date, Flight no., Destination, Etc.." and begin noting the details. You are looking at the data for all four 9/11 Flights for September 10 and September 11, 2001. You can see the “Tail no.” (Tail number) for each Jetliner entered in the next to the last column with the Actual Departure time. Do you see UA 93 ‘zeroed out’ for September 11? No? Why not? I thought the Bureau said the 9/11 flights were deliberately not included in the databases? :0) This is nothing but NONSENSE, because the Database includes ALL these flights ‘and’ MANY flights have zeroed out data. The only ‘two’ flights NOT to take off were AA11 and AA77 and on 9/11, because BOTH of those flights did take off on 9/10 the day before.

If you are really interested in knowing ‘the’ 911Truth about AA11 and AA77, then do your own investigation starting right here on the Serendipity Website. Go back to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml) and look up the information for yourself like I showed everyone here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3417634&postcount=229). See if these flights have data ‘zeroed out’ like every other canceled flight on that page, OR if the AA77 and AA11 were deliberately not included in the database information. The writer of this post (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x182246#182248) called the Bureau to ask them specifically about the 'zeroed out' flights here (http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/bts_090707.mp3). Elmondo cannot show us where AA77 crashed ANYWHERE and he is just talking nonsense to sow doubt in the minds of these readers and for what? He is defending the Official Bush Administration/DoD Cover Story . . .

GL,

Terral
And on the very same site you quote they say the flights are not included because they were HIJACKED! Are you that dense that you can't read what is on the same site you quote? Your pathetic.

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml

[TheRedWorm]

Terral, where is the picture of an intact A3 at the Pentagon? No changing the subject. No pictures of little pieces that could just as easily come from a Boeing 757-223. No speculation. Just post a picture of an intact A3, or admit that your beliefs are not based on evidence.


Quoted just in case you missed it, Terral.

[MIKILLINI]

Terral, where is the picture of an intact A3 at the Pentagon? No changing the subject. No pictures of little pieces that could just as easily come from a Boeing 757-223. No speculation. Just post a picture of an intact A3, or admit that your beliefs are not based on evidence.

Me thinks he can't do it. But thats Me.
Instead of claiming JREFers have no base of evidence Terral, perhaps you can respond to TRW's request?

[Calcas]

Me thinks he can't do it. But thats Me.
Instead of claiming JREFers have no base of evidence Terral, perhaps you can respond to TRW's request?

[Terral mode on]

God is gonna get you! All of you Senor Bushie supporters will be bowing down to Satan when this is over!

[Terral mode off]

It's no longer even fun anymore. Stick him with a fork.

[pomeroo]

Hi Mikillini:




How many times must we go through the same aspect of ‘the’ 911Truth that AA11 and AA77 NEVER TOOK OFF on 9/11? Are we BLIND??????? The Serendipity website does a wonderful job of showing you ‘the’ 911Truth here (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm).

Your "What about the families?" questions should be directed at Senor Bushie . . . All I can do is lead the horse to water . . .

GL,

Terral


Sorry, Terral, you've been caught lying again. Those two flights took off, were hijacked by jihadist terrorists, and everyone on board was killed. It doesn't matter what psychotic lunatics invent: those passengers are dead and nothing can bring them back.

When will you stop lying?

[pomeroo]

Hi Elmondo:




Please forgive, but Elmondo is deliberately misrepresenting the truth like MANY of these JREF members bent on defending the Official Cover Stories at every turn. I will not present the entire case again, but will direct you to where Elmondo’s nonsense is clearly refuted:

Serendipity Website: (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm)

Go down to the second chart beginning with "Date, Flight no., Destination, Etc.." and begin noting the details. You are looking at the data for all four 9/11 Flights for September 10 and September 11, 2001. You can see the “Tail no.” (Tail number) for each Jetliner entered in the next to the last column with the Actual Departure time. Do you see UA 93 ‘zeroed out’ for September 11? No? Why not? I thought the Bureau said the 9/11 flights were deliberately not included in the databases? :0) This is nothing but NONSENSE, because the Database includes ALL these flights ‘and’ MANY flights have zeroed out data. The only ‘two’ flights NOT to take off were AA11 and AA77 and on 9/11, because BOTH of those flights did take off on 9/10 the day before.

If you are really interested in knowing ‘the’ 911Truth about AA11 and AA77, then do your own investigation starting right here on the Serendipity Website. Go back to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml) and look up the information for yourself like I showed everyone here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3417634&postcount=229). See if these flights have data ‘zeroed out’ like every other canceled flight on that page, OR if the AA77 and AA11 were deliberately not included in the database information. The writer of this post (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x182246#182248) called the Bureau to ask them specifically about the 'zeroed out' flights here (http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/bts_090707.mp3). Elmondo cannot show us where AA77 crashed ANYWHERE and he is just talking nonsense to sow doubt in the minds of these readers and for what? He is defending the Official Bush Administration/DoD Cover Story . . .

GL,

Terral


You are lying again. The remains of the passengers on Flight 77 were found at the Pentagon crash site and identified by DNA analysis.

When will you stop lying?

[1337m4n]

Terral you have three options:

1) Show us a picture of an intact A-3 at the Pentagon
2) Show us a picture of parts at the Pentagon that are unique to an A-3.
3) Admit you are a hypocrite.

What'll it be?

[ElMondoHummus]

Hi Elmondo:




Please forgive, but Elmondo is deliberately misrepresenting the truth like MANY of these JREF members bent on defending the Official Cover Stories at every turn. I will not present the entire case again, but will direct you to where Elmondo’s nonsense is clearly refuted:

Serendipity Website: (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm)

Go down to the second chart beginning with "Date, Flight no., Destination, Etc.." and begin noting the details. You are looking at the data for all four 9/11 Flights for September 10 and September 11, 2001. You can see the “Tail no.” (Tail number) for each Jetliner entered in the next to the last column with the Actual Departure time. Do you see UA 93 ‘zeroed out’ for September 11? No? Why not? I thought the Bureau said the 9/11 flights were deliberately not included in the databases? :0) This is nothing but NONSENSE, because the Database includes ALL these flights ‘and’ MANY flights have zeroed out data. The only ‘two’ flights NOT to take off were AA11 and AA77 and on 9/11, because BOTH of those flights did take off on 9/10 the day before.

If you are really interested in knowing ‘the’ 911Truth about AA11 and AA77, then do your own investigation starting right here on the Serendipity Website. Go back to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummarystatistics/src/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml) and look up the information for yourself like I showed everyone here (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3417634&postcount=229). See if these flights have data ‘zeroed out’ like every other canceled flight on that page, OR if the AA77 and AA11 were deliberately not included in the database information. The writer of this post (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x182246#182248) called the Bureau to ask them specifically about the 'zeroed out' flights here (http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/bts_090707.mp3). Elmondo cannot show us where AA77 crashed ANYWHERE and he is just talking nonsense to sow doubt in the minds of these readers and for what? He is defending the Official Bush Administration/DoD Cover Story . . .

GL,

Terral

Note in his post the fact that he does not dispute the following quote is on the web site:


Summary Statistics
Flight Number




Airline: American Airlines (AA)Flight Number: 0011Time Period: September 11, 2001 to September 11, 2001
On-Time Flights:
NOTE: Late, cancelled and diverted flights are subtracted from total flights to determine on-time percent.
A complete listing of airline (http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/DetailedStatistics/INFO/CarrierInfo.html) and airport (http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/DetailedStatistics/INFO/AirportInfo.html) abbreviations is available. Times are reported in local time using a 24 hour clock.
On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics.


Note also how he tries to make a big deal (or rather parrots that "Serendipity" website's noisemaking) about the fact that UAL prefilled departure time for their 9/11 flights, and AA did not. Rather than realize that this was a difference in reporting one single piece of static data between two different companies - and rather than understand that all 4 flights were indeed not included in the on-time summary statistics (Terral's cited website is merely reporting on the single database query of departures, not the overall on-time statistics), Terral would rather us believe that those flights were cancelled. In contradiction to all other evidence including the BTS site's own explanation of how to interpret their data.

Failed rebuttal. His source tries to make a conspiracy out of differences in data reporting, and changes in how it displays from one year to another. Hardly proof of a conspiracy, merely proof of database development.

[gumboot]

I guess the NWO forgot to include the Department of Transportation in their vast conspiracy. Oops!

[Corsair 115]

I guess the NWO forgot to include the Department of Transportation in their vast conspiracy. Oops!Well, when you have a plan as hopelessly convoluted as the ones the NWO typically likes to use, mistakes are inevitable.

No worries though. The person in Sector 7G responsible for the mix-up was sacked.

[eeyore1954]

I guess the NWO forgot to include the Department of Transportation in their vast conspiracy. Oops!

There were so many people in on it according to Terral's scenario they must of run out of cash.

[twinstead]

Terral, a GOOD theory answers questions not creates more. Your 'theory' creates enough head-scratching questions and apparent anomalies in its wake to make heads spin.

If I were a REAL professional investigator I'd be pissed at you for giving us a bad name.

[Swing Dangler]

Poor effort Swingie

Why would the rivet holes in the skin rip or tear? You do know what rivets are made of and how you fit them dont you? We had aircraft that had pulled rivets at only 7G. How much G forces do you think were involved in this crash?

The pics you have posted above look like fires after the crash. Why would the piece on the lawn be burnt if it was thrown far away from the location of the fire/explosion?

I'm still awaiting a "pristine skin piece" from a plane explosion/crash. How did the rivet holes look after the skin was torn off due to the 7G move you describe? Any pics? So the piece was thrown before the impact and explosion? How can you reconcile that with the facts?

[funk de fino]

I'm still awaiting a "pristine skin piece" from a plane explosion/crash. How did the rivet holes look after the skin was torn off due to the 7G move you describe? Any pics? So the piece was thrown before the impact and explosion? How can you reconcile that with the facts?

Is every plane crash exactly the same? Does every plane crash have an explosion? Or a fire? Are they all at the same speed?

The rivets go first in the 7 G manouver. Why do you think that was? What are they made from? The skin does not need to rip to allow it to come free from the rivets. They can create a perfect hole just slighty bigger than the rivet. Yet again you fail to show comprehension. Read my post, I said the rivets were pulled not the skin although we have had panels pulled due to high G also. You asked for a picture with rivet holes from this jet and you got it. What G force do you think this crash happened at?

The pieces were thrown from the plane, at impact, prior to the explosion.

Do you think the explosion happened the instant the plane hit the Pentagon?

[SpitfireIX]

That it did not crash into a building makes these engine parts useless for comparison insofar as the conditions of the engines is concerned. The provenance of the photos would also be of some use in my analysis. I am guessing that this is something on the order of a DC 10, or at least some similar aircraft with one engine in the empenage. I would really be happier to have a shot of the wing-orfuselage-mounted engines for comparison. I doubt that they would have survived in such good shape.

I would, further, expect the fuselage to react differently to this sort of crash, which would appear at first glance to have been a controlled flight into terrain or possibly a collision with another aircraft on the ground.


As Swing hasn't bothered to respond, I will do so. The pictures are from at least two different air disasters. The first one is from the crash of Pulkovo Airlines Flight 612, a TU-154M, which crashed in a severe thunderstorm in Ukraine in 2006. The aircraft may or may not have been on fire due to a lightning strike, however, the leading theory is that the pilots exceeded the aircraft's altitude limits in an attempt to avoid the storm and stalled out. I determined this by googling the tail number, RA-85185, visible on the air scoop.

I thought the second photo looked familiar, and I was correct. It's the remains of PH-BUF, one of two 747s that collided on the runway at Los Rodeos Airport, Tenerife, in the Canary Islands in 1977. The Tenerife Disaster is the worst aircraft accident in history, and remains the worst disaster of all time in terms of passenger deaths.

I was unable to determine the origin of the other two photos, but I don't think they're connected to the first two.

A good deal of the damage to the aircraft seems to have been done by fire. That kind of destroys the evidentiary value of the photos in arguing facts about flight 77. Certainly this plane would not have been compressed as severely from end to end as was FL 77, thus would not have popped open like an inflated and smacked paper bag.


As noted, RA-85185 augered in from very high altitude, possibly in a flat spin, and then burned. PH-BUF (KLM) was attempting to take off without permission (due to misunderstanding of ATC instructions and talking over the subsequent warning) when it collided with a Pan Am 747 that was taxiing down the runway in dense fog. As it was too late to reject the takeoff, the KLM pilot overrotated in an attempt to clear the Pan Am jet. In this he was unsuccessful, tearing off the KLM's landing gear and one engine. PH-BUF briefly became airborne, but crashed back onto the runway. Everyone aboard the KLM perished due to the large amount of fuel onboard; only 61 passengers and crew from the Pan Am survived.

[1337m4n]

Terral, again:

You keep asking us where our plane is. Where is YOUR plane?

[ElMondoHummus]

The writer of this post (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x182246#182248) called the Bureau to ask them specifically about the 'zeroed out' flights here (http://www.pumpitout.com/audio/bts_090707.mp3).

LMAO... anyone actually listen to this call? The writer of that post queried flights from November 1999, not 2001!

Yes, I'm aware that the argument is that the BTS database query results are presented as if the flights were cancelled, and that similar results from '99 are offered as proof; if 11/1/99 shows displays data as zeroed out, then zeroed out data on 9/11/01 supposedly means those flights are cancelled too. I get it. It's still wrong. 9/11 flights are treated as exceptions. That's the purpose of the BTS site disclaimer that was quoted earlier.

In short, data about how cancelled flights display on 11/1/99 does not prove that the data display of 9/11 flights mean those were cancelled too, especially in the light of recovered evidence regarding the flights fates, not to mention such non-trivial stuff as ATC radar histories. It merely proves that a data entry person somewhere elected to put in convenient null data and rely on the disclaimer quoted earlier rather than request that the DBA's program a specific exception for 9/11 flight queries.

Some research. That man managed to prove that certain flights on 11/1/99 were cancelled all right.

[twinstead]

Some research. That man managed to prove that certain flights on 11/1/99 were cancelled all right.

All I know is the NWO section chief in charge of altering flight records to match the plan was SO fired...

[ElMondoHummus]

All I know is the NWO section chief in charge of altering flight records to match the plan was SO fired...

If by "fired", you mean "out of a cannon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCk_xwY3nxY)", then yes, that is what we did to him.

Over and over and over and...

[Terral]

Hi 1337:

What’s the matter, 1337, you are still missing evidence of your 100-Ton Jetliner like this one (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/93crash2.jpg) for the Flight 93 (http://911review.org/93/maps/) case? :0) Then you expect the same government lying about the Flight 93 empty hole (http://www.letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/files/documents/Day_1_-_Pittsburg_Crash_01.swf) to cough up AA77 Jetliner debris at the Pentagon when none exists there either? That is funny. Rather than show up to this debate with evidence of ‘your’ crashed 100-Ton Jetliner, this is all the thread starter can muster . . .

1337 >> Terral, again: You keep asking us where our plane is. Where is YOUR plane?


I am asking you for ‘evidence’ that a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in the empty Shanksville Field, OR anywhere near the Pentagon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck). You are missing over 60 tons of high grade aluminum/titanium alloy frame (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/boeing2.jpg), 11 tons of Rolls-Royce Engines and all the massive components including wing sections, landing gear, cargo and tail section that you cannot even prove hit the Pentagon. Now that is funny too. The evidence for my painted-up DoD Jet is found all over the place outside and inside the Pentagon starting right here.

Michael Kelly ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0qpbwHCYI)

Don Wright ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schV0rKCRwA)

Both of these eyewitnesses saw a small plane hit the Pentagon, which obviously does NOT resemble any 100-Ton Jetliner. We have corroborating witnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon with plane debris flying around everywhere.

Pentagon Witnesses (http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html#_Plane_Debris)

Donald R. Bouchoux >> “There was an enormous fireball, followed about two seconds later by debris raining down… I had what must have been an emergency oxygen bottle from the airplane go flying down across the front of my Explorer and then a second piece of jagged metal came down on the right side of the car.”

James R. Cissell >> “A fireball [exploded] into the air and scattering debris—including a tire rim suspected of belonging to the airplane - past his car.”

Aziz ElHallan >> “[Holding up a piece of debris during the interview:] It just landed by the car.”

Will Jarvis >> “Sitting only 300 meters away from the carnage… I saw little bits of silver falling from the sky.”

Mary Ann Owens >> “Then debris began falling over the cars.”

Delawareonline >> “Cars traveling nearby were…showered with rocks and other debris. Among the trash littering the road was a scorched green oxygen tank marked ‘Cabin air. Airline use.’ When the debris shower stopped, people began getting out of their cars.”


Plane Debris Witnesses (http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html#_%E2%80%9CPieces_of_aircraft_1)

Judy Biggert >> “She saw remnants of the airplane… There was a seat from a plane, there was part of the tail and then there was a part of green metal, I could not tell what it was, a part of the outside of the plane…It smelled like it was still burning.”

Chris Bradman >> “The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter ‘A,’ another with a ‘C’… This was a jet.”

Ervin Brown >> “He saw pieces of what appeared to be small aircraft on the ground.”


The first question to ask yourself is: If the 100-Ton Jetliner passed through this little E-Ring impact hole (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/NoWayBaby.jpg), then how on earth did all this debris fly out onto people in their cars out on Washington Blvd hundreds of yards away (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/45Degrees.jpg)? We are talking about very small pieces of DoD Jet debris like this (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/DebunkedNothing.jpg), because their custom-built Jet-BOMB was designed to go BOOM (http://www.downforensics.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/explosion-l.jpg) against the E-Ring wall and take out Column Line (CL) 9 through CL 15 (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/compmix2.jpg) and bring the E-Ring roof DOWN. However, as already shown you too many times, the DoD Jet crashed into the second story concrete slab location (outlined here (http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/PentagonA3wreckage1.htm) in first picture), so the debris was blown ‘back’ out onto the Pentagon lawn (pics (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/DebunkedNothing.jpg)) with some pieces thrown clear across Washington Blvd.

The primary pieces fell straight down in front of the E-Ring wall shown here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/A-3JetDebris.jpg) and here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/JT8DEngineCL9a.jpg) and here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/fencefuselage500.jpg). Then you wonder, “Where is all of this evidence?” And my answer is, “The Bush-controlled FBI has been hiding this kind of evidence from the very beginning!” If you carried out these 9/11 attacks ‘and’ the 9/11 investigation, then would you pick up all these DoD Jet pieces and introduce that as evidence? No! That is the reason NO ‘time-change parts’ (http://physics911.net/georgenelson) have been produced for ANY 9/11 Jetliner for Flights 11, 77, 93 or 175.

Now that I have shown you my ‘evidence’ for a much smaller Jet being seen hitting the Pentagon ‘and’ the related damage and debris, it is now your turn to show me where ‘your’ 100-Ton Jetliner (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/ThisIsVeryBig.jpg) crashed into the Pentagon doing one of these numbers (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/NotAtPentagon.jpg) (see the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA)). :0) The problem with ‘your’ situation is that AA Jetliners are designed to hold together ‘and’ they have a 60-Ton titanium frame. However, my DoD Jet was designed to go BOOM, which it did to produce all this evidence. Starting this thread really was not a very good idea. Right? (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif) :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

GL,

Terral

[beachnut]

Hi 1337:
What’s the matter, 1337, you are still missing evidence of your 100-Ton Jetliner like this one (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/93crash2.jpg) for the Flight 93 (http://911review.org/93/maps/) case? :0) Then you expect the same government lying about the Flight 93 empty hole (http://www.letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/files/documents/Day_1_-_Pittsburg_Crash_01.swf) to cough up AA77 Jetliner debris at the Pentagon when none exists there either? That is funny. Rather than show up to this debate with evidence of ‘your’ crashed 100-Ton Jetliner, this is all the thread starter can muster . . .

I am asking you for ‘evidence’ that a real 100-Ton Jetliner crashed in the empty Shanksville Field, OR anywhere near the Pentagon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck). You are missing over 60 tons of high grade aluminum/titanium alloy frame (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/boeing2.jpg), 11 tons of Rolls-Royce Engines and all the massive components including wing sections, landing gear, cargo and tail section that you cannot even prove hit the Pentagon. Now that is funny too. The evidence for my painted-up DoD Jet is found all over the place outside and inside the Pentagon starting right here.
Michael Kelly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0qpbwHCYI) Don Wright (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=schV0rKCRwA)
Both of these eyewitnesses saw a small plane hit the Pentagon, which obviously does NOT resemble any 100-Ton Jetliner. We have corroborating witnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon with plane debris flying around everywhere.
Pentagon Witnesses (http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html#_Plane_Debris) Plane Debris Witnesses (http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/04/911-and-pentagon-attack-what.html#_%E2%80%9CPieces_of_aircraft_1)
The first question to ask yourself is: If the 100-Ton Jetliner passed through this little E-Ring impact hole (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/NoWayBaby.jpg), then how on earth did all this debris fly out onto people in their cars out on Washington Blvd hundreds of yards away (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/45Degrees.jpg)? We are talking about very small pieces of DoD Jet debris like this (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/DebunkedNothing.jpg), because their custom-built Jet-BOMB was designed to go BOOM (http://www.downforensics.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/explosion-l.jpg) against the E-Ring wall and take out Column Line (CL) 9 through CL 15 and bring the E-Ring roof DOWN. However, as already shown you too many times, the DoD Jet crashed into the second story concrete slab location (outlined here (http://home.att.net/~carlson.jon/PentagonA3wreckage1.htm) in first picture), so the debris was blown ‘back’ out onto the Pentagon lawn (pics (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/DebunkedNothing.jpg)) with some pieces thrown clear across Washington Blvd.

The primary pieces fell straight down in front of the E-Ring wall shown here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/A-3JetDebris.jpg) and here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/JT8DEngineCL9a.jpg) and here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/fencefuselage500.jpg). Then you wonder, “Where is all of this evidence?” And my answer is, “The Bush-controlled FBI has been hiding this kind of evidence from the very beginning!” If you carried out these 9/11 attacks ‘and’ the 9/11 investigation, then would you pick up all these DoD Jet pieces and introduce that as evidence? No! That is the reason NO ‘time-change parts’ (http://physics911.net/georgenelson) have been produced for ANY 9/11 Jetliner for Flights 11, 77, 93 or 175.

Now that I have shown you my ‘evidence’ for a much smaller Jet being seen hitting the Pentagon ‘and’ the related damage and debris, it is now your turn to show me where ‘your’ 100-Ton Jetliner (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/ThisIsVeryBig.jpg) crashed into the Pentagon doing one of these numbers (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/NotAtPentagon.jpg) (see the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA)). :0) The problem with ‘your’ situation is that AA Jetliners are designed to hold together ‘and’ they have a 60-Ton titanium frame. However, my DoD Jet was designed to go BOOM, which it did to produce all this evidence. Starting this thread really was not a very good idea. Right? (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif) :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU) GL, Terral
How do you do it? Post pure junk and not any of your sources support anything with facts or evidence. You know this is not erased. No matter how much stupid you post it is here for the future to see. To see your dumb posts of lies, false information, faulty logic, and over all proof you have no knowledge on the broad range of topics you are messing up and mangling the truth into lies by posting more junk.

How does he do it? He suspends rational thinking and logic and cuts and past as many stupid statements as he can to put together the most stupid ideas he can in the minimum time without having to think of 3,000 dead, or how dumb it looks.

[DGM]

Your right. A Boeing 757 with Rolls-Royce RB211 engines that was AA 77 Did hit the Pentagon. Thanks for showing this to US.

[Terral]

Hi Beachnut:

Beachnut >> How do you do it? Post pure junk and not any of your sources support anything with facts or evidence . . .


This guy (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU) cannot possibly laugh as loud or as long as Beachnut makes me laugh (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif) in response to his empty posts. Thank you (http://community.scholastic.com/attachments/scholastic/snapshot35/84/2/Thank%20You.jpg) for making a me to smile out loud (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg) with the best of them.

You are the best, (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/applause.gif)

GL,

Terral

[TheRedWorm]

Terral, where is the picture of an intact A3 at the Pentagon? No changing the subject. No pictures of little pieces that could just as easily come from a Boeing 757-223. No speculation. Just post a picture of an intact A3, or admit that your beliefs are not based on evidence.


I should also add: no waffling, no shifting the burden of proof. A single pic of an intact A3 at the Pentagon. Do it, or admit that you do not care about facts.

[lapman]

So, let me get this straight:
Number of times that Terral:

Shown an A-3 hitting the Pentagon: 0
Avoided this fact: Too many to count.


So, Terral, we are still waiting for your picture or video of a heavily modified A-3 flying into the Pentagon.

[Redtail]

[quote] The first question to ask yourself is: If the 100-Ton Jetliner passed through this little E-Ring impact hole (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/NoWayBaby.jpg),Little?

then how on earth did all this debris fly out onto people in their cars out on Washington Blvd hundreds of yards away (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/45Degrees.jpg)? So a little plane that passes through the "little" (HA!) hole will cause debris to fly out but a large plane won't? You do know jet fuel a "little" explosive right?

We are talking about very small pieces of DoD Jet debris like this (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/DebunkedNothing.jpg), because their custom-built Jet-BOMB was designed to go BOOM (http://www.downforensics.com/Quickstart/ImageLib/explosion-l.jpg) against the E-Ring wall and take out Column Line (CL) 9 through CL 15 (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/compmix2.jpg) and bring the E-Ring roof DOWN. Wrong, those pictures of debris are from Flt 77.


However, as already shown you too many times, the DoD Jet crashed into the second story concrete slab location (outlined here (http://home.att.net/%7Ecarlson.jon/PentagonA3wreckage1.htm) in first picture), so the debris was blown ‘back’ out onto the Pentagon lawn (pics (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/DebunkedNothing.jpg)) with some pieces thrown clear across Washington Blvd. What DoD Jet?

The primary pieces fell straight down in front of the E-Ring wall shown here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/A-3JetDebris.jpg) and here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/JT8DEngineCL9a.jpg) and here (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/fencefuselage500.jpg). Then you wonder, “Where is all of this evidence?” And my answer is, “The Bush-controlled FBI has been hiding this kind of evidence from the very beginning!” If you carried out these 9/11 attacks ‘and’ the 9/11 investigation, then would you pick up all these DoD Jet pieces and introduce that as evidence? No! That is the reason NO ‘time-change parts’ (http://physics911.net/georgenelson) have been produced for ANY 9/11 Jetliner for Flights 11, 77, 93 or 175. So the fact that there is no evidence of an A-3 is evidence the government is covering up their use of an A-3?
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12044467af2cd27d18.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6485)


Now that I have shown you my ‘evidence’ for a much smaller Jet being seen hitting the Pentagon ‘and’ the related damage and debris, it is now your turn to show me where ‘your’ 100-Ton Jetliner (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/ThisIsVeryBig.jpg) crashed into the Pentagon doing one of these numbers (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/NotAtPentagon.jpg) (see the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA)). :0) The problem with ‘your’ situation is that AA Jetliners are designed to hold together ‘and’ they have a 60-Ton titanium frame.Wait... WHAT!?!? AA jet liners are designed to "hold together" after a 500 mph crash into a building?
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12044467af2cd27d18.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=6485)


However, my DoD Jet was designed to go BOOM, which it did to produce all this evidence. Starting this thread really was not a very good idea. Right? (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif) :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)
It was? And your proof for this is...? Oh right! Your "evidence" is the fact that there was no evidence! Too funny.

[LTC8K6]

AA77 took out some street lights and it also bounced off the ground before hitting the pentagon, I believe. That could produce unburned debris away from the impact site.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/pentagonattackpage2

[LTC8K6]

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

[EventHorizon]

How do you do it? Post pure junk and not any of your sources support anything with facts or evidence. You know this is not erased. No matter how much stupid you post it is here for the future to see. To see your dumb posts of lies, false information, faulty logic, and over all proof you have no knowledge on the broad range of topics you are messing up and mangling the truth into lies by posting more junk.

How does he do it? He suspends rational thinking and logic and cuts and past as many stupid statements as he can to put together the most stupid ideas he can in the minimum time without having to think of 3,000 dead, or how dumb it looks.

It's incredible (http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/en_easyart/lg/1/3/The-Incredibles---Mr-Incredible-Disney-134536.jpg) isn't it? Not (http://www.diyhappy.com/wp-content/images/Knot.jpg) only do the links (http://www.ebmt.org/img/links.jpg) he posts (http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/photos12/red-posts-nd2.jpg) not support (http://moonlightmoments.co.uk/shop/images/uploads/BraBlackCharnos1_01_LRG.jpg) any of his claims (http://www.combinedinsuranceservices.com/images/cis_pics_claims.jpg), but some (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/some) of them (http://www.weblogsky.com/works/them.jpg) are completely unnecessary. For example (http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks/ByExample/byExample.gif), his link (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/link/link.jpg) for 100-ton (http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03/ChrisLepp_450x653.jpg) Jetliner (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2819263/2/istockphoto_2819263_modern_jetliner_boeing_757.jpg ) is in fact (http://www.humanvibration.com/EU/images/FACT.bmp) a picture (http://img.alibaba.com/photo/10302287/Nxt_Flat_Panel_Picture_Speaker.jpg) of a 100-ton (http://www.zanyvideos.com/uploads/fat_woman_in_bikinis.jpg) Jetliner. What the hell (http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/pd_hell_070706_ms.jpg) is the point (http://lindahodgdon.com/newsletter/AngryFacePointFinger.jpg), everyone knows (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knows) what one (http://www.onflex.org/count/1.png) looks like.

[TheRedWorm]

Delete the link for unnecessary, VERY not safe for work/ forum. Other than that, though, absolutely hilarious!

[EventHorizon]

Delete the link for unnecessary, VERY not safe for work/ forum. Other than that, though, absolutely hilarious!

OOPS!! That's what I get for linking to a random link and not double checking. Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out. Guess I better check the others too.

[leftysergeant]

Terral, youstill have to show us how an A-3 could blow a flat hole across one floor of the facade and still print those wing marks slanting up on the right and parallel with the ground on the left.

[beachnut]

Hi Beachnut: This guy (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU) cannot possibly laugh as loud or as long as Beachnut makes me laugh (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif) in response to his empty posts. Thank you (http://community.scholastic.com/attachments/scholastic/snapshot35/84/2/Thank%20You.jpg) for making a me to smile out loud (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg) with the best of them.
You are the best, (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/applause.gif) GL, Terral
You, Cut and paste, but zero facts on 9/11.

Get this clear. Your ideas and posts are so dumb, they debunk themselves. Do you understand.

If you had some substance, I would tell you and post a rebuttal. But your stuff, your posts are so wrong, it is clear. I am sorry your posts are below the level of grade school. Everyone here is posting the correct information for you, but you ignore them and post the most ignorance statements with nonsensical references that clearly debunk your ideas and the things you post.

It is like you asking your mom why is the moon made out of cheese. She says you are wrong. This is it, your posts are wrong. I can see it by just reading it using grade school level logic and knowledge. I have a masters in engineering, please raise the level of your idiotic posts to at least high school level to make a reply a challenge.

Any grade school kid could debunk your dumb posts. Why should I waste time showing you your obvious errors. I think the people who are looking up and posting you the correct ideas are doing you a favor, but you have not learned anything yet.

I am saying, so far it is a waste of time to show you the facts and real evidence, you have not used it. You continue to post garbage from the internet with false conclusions. You have on made a few correct statements but not one 9/11. I may have missed something you got right, but your posts are filled with so much wrong information it would be hard to find something you got right.

So please make fun of me, I am just an old guy with a masters in engineering, who flew jets for the USAF, who dodge SCUDs, who has fallen for frauds that cost much more than posting on the internet. You have fallen for fraud, and you insist on spreading the fraud. Have at it, you are pathetically disrespectful to those who died by frivolously spreading the false information of 9/11 truth. Carry on, do some real dumb posts with lies, false information, and faulty logic; you will be proud one day you did so poorly and believed lies. Cool

The people posting the real information are more patient than I. The supply you with information that you ignore and do not understand or comprehend. But do not listen to rational people, post the junk that matches your level of understanding on 9/11. Zero.

[ElMondoHummus]

It's incredible (http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/en_easyart/lg/1/3/The-Incredibles---Mr-Incredible-Disney-134536.jpg) isn't it? Not (http://www.diyhappy.com/wp-content/images/Knot.jpg) only do the links (http://www.ebmt.org/img/links.jpg) he posts (http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/photos12/red-posts-nd2.jpg) not support (http://moonlightmoments.co.uk/shop/images/uploads/BraBlackCharnos1_01_LRG.jpg) any of his claims (http://www.combinedinsuranceservices.com/images/cis_pics_claims.jpg), but some (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/some) of them (http://www.weblogsky.com/works/them.jpg) are completely unnecessary. For example (http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks/ByExample/byExample.gif), his link (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/link/link.jpg) for 100-ton (http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03/ChrisLepp_450x653.jpg) Jetliner (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2819263/2/istockphoto_2819263_modern_jetliner_boeing_757.jpg ) is in fact (http://www.humanvibration.com/EU/images/FACT.bmp) a picture (http://img.alibaba.com/photo/10302287/Nxt_Flat_Panel_Picture_Speaker.jpg) of a 100-ton (http://www.zanyvideos.com/uploads/fat_woman_in_bikinis.jpg) Jetliner. What the hell (http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/pd_hell_070706_ms.jpg) is the point (http://lindahodgdon.com/newsletter/AngryFacePointFinger.jpg), everyone knows (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knows) what one (http://www.onflex.org/count/1.png) looks like.

Yes, I know (http://www.designboom.com/snapshot/photo/full/270/10.jpg). This has been pointed out (http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/MES1483.jpg) to him before, but it doesn't stop (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/81/Stop_sign.png/600px-Stop_sign.png) him from doing it (http://21centuryconnections.com/files/images/peg.jpg) over (http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/isp/isp126/businessman-banging-his-head-against-the-wall-~-ispc026073.jpg) and over (http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/85/46/23474685.jpg) and over (http://jasonclark.ws/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/banging-my-head-against-the-wall-by-the-brownhorse-on-flickr.jpg)...

You'd think (http://www.edgehill.co.uk/The_Thinker.jpg) he'd realize (http://physics.weber.edu/carroll/Archimedes/images/eureka.gif) that merely linking (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1088932/2/istockphoto_1088932_chain_links.jpg) to external (http://www.bilingualsigns.co.uk/graphics/cornish/cornish-exit-signs.jpg) sites (http://www.xssights.com/store/pix/catalog/tactical/tactical3.jpg) is not by itself (http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/2531945.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1934A2752006EF5F0EDE3DFBB7F3F64CA04 5A5397277B4DC33E) evidence (http://www.crimescene.com/store/images/large/evidence-stamp_LRG.jpg), but that the external (http://www.theexitstore.com/assets/exit_sign.jpg) sites must actually make some sort of coherent argument (http://www.fathers-rights.com/banner1.jpg) or present some sort of undeniable fact (http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/users/jcm/Topic1/Image1.gif), but does he listen (http://www.subcortex.com/ChimpNoEvil.jpg)?

[Quad4_72]

Has terral shown us the pic of his A-3 yet? I don't feel like looking through the thread.

[Quad4_72]

It's incredible (http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/en_easyart/lg/1/3/The-Incredibles---Mr-Incredible-Disney-134536.jpg) isn't it? Not (http://www.diyhappy.com/wp-content/images/Knot.jpg) only do the links (http://www.ebmt.org/img/links.jpg) he posts (http://www.bigfoto.com/sites/galery/photos12/red-posts-nd2.jpg) not support (http://moonlightmoments.co.uk/shop/images/uploads/BraBlackCharnos1_01_LRG.jpg) any of his claims (http://www.combinedinsuranceservices.com/images/cis_pics_claims.jpg), but some (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/some) of them (http://www.weblogsky.com/works/them.jpg) are completely unnecessary. For example (http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks/ByExample/byExample.gif), his link (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/images/link/link.jpg) for 100-ton (http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03/ChrisLepp_450x653.jpg) Jetliner (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2819263/2/istockphoto_2819263_modern_jetliner_boeing_757.jpg ) is in fact (http://www.humanvibration.com/EU/images/FACT.bmp) a picture (http://img.alibaba.com/photo/10302287/Nxt_Flat_Panel_Picture_Speaker.jpg) of a 100-ton (http://www.zanyvideos.com/uploads/fat_woman_in_bikinis.jpg) Jetliner. What the hell (http://a.abcnews.com/images/GMA/pd_hell_070706_ms.jpg) is the point (http://lindahodgdon.com/newsletter/AngryFacePointFinger.jpg), everyone knows (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knows) what one (http://www.onflex.org/count/1.png) looks like.

Haha. Nice. This is pretty much spot on.

[AMTMAN]

I'm still awaiting a "pristine skin piece" from a plane explosion/crash. How did the rivet holes look after the skin was torn off due to the 7G move you describe? Any pics? So the piece was thrown before the impact and explosion? How can you reconcile that with the facts?

Swing your intellectually dishonesty is well known to me.

Why aren't you asking Terral to produce actual pictures of an A-3 or an aircraft other than a 757 at the Pentagon? Why aren't you asking him to explain pictures of aircraft wreckage being matched up with the 757 IPC manual? The only explanation I can come up with is that you don't want to even acknowledge its existence.

It seems to a common truther problem to think something is a conspiracy because they don't understand something. Your buddy has a serious case of this. And by the way Swing, what is your point regarding the wreckage? Do you even have one or are you just wasting time again?

[AMTMAN]

Hi Beachnut:




This guy (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU) cannot possibly laugh as loud or as long as Beachnut makes me laugh (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif) in response to his empty posts. Thank you (http://community.scholastic.com/attachments/scholastic/snapshot35/84/2/Thank%20You.jpg) for making a me to smile out loud (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg) with the best of them.

You are the best, (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/applause.gif)

GL,

Terral

Well Terral I'm still waiting for you to refute what I posted the other day. Maybe you could get some references from a A-3 or Global Hawk IPC.

[Alt+F4]

Has terral shown us the pic of his A-3 yet? I don't feel like looking through the thread.

No, he hasn't.

[MIKILLINI]

Just to clarify Terral, it would be this A-3

http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/716/Vietnam_War_A-3_Skywarrior_10_miles_south_of_Pleiku.jpg

[MIKILLINI]

Just not this A3

http://www.analogstereo.com/images/om/audi_a3.jpg

[1337m4n]

The problem (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) with Terral's (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) posting style is (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) that there's (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) too much (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) crap to click (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) on. Seriously, who's (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) ever going to click (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) on all those links? The worst (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) posts are (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) the ones (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) that make (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) every other (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) word a hyperlink (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) to another (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) website so (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) by the time (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) you finish reading (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) this sentence, (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) you've forgotten (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) what you (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) were reading, or why (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) you were (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) reading it in the first (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) place. Hey, this (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) article is (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) great but (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) you know (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) what would (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) make it (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) better? If I (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) could read (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) another article (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) in the (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) middle of (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=banish1) it. Great design, moron.

[1337m4n]

The problem with ‘your’ situation is that AA Jetliners are designed to hold together ‘and’ they have a 60-Ton titanium frame. However, my DoD Jet was designed to go BOOM, which it did to produce all this evidence.

Is it possible to Stundie an entire person? Because Terral has already been nominated too many times, and he's getting nominated again for this.

If we could Stundie entire people, it'd make things so much simpler.

[1337m4n]

Hey Terral, if your "DoD Jet was designed to go BOOM", why did it penetrate more than one ring of the Pentagon?


Terral is full of it Part 1 (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/smallhole.html)

Terral is full of it Part 2 (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/nodebris.html)

Terral is full of it Part 3 (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/crashdebris.html)

Terral is full of it Part 4. (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/witnesses.html) Note that Terral is implicitly accusing each of these eyewitnesses of lying and of being accessories to mass murder.

Terral is full of it Part 5 (http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/turbofans.html)


So basically debating like Terral is simple; cherrypick evidence that fits your theory, and if any evidence is presented that DOESN'T fit your theory, claim it was "planted".

Watch, I will predict Terral's next move: He will claim that all the evidence I have just presented was "faked" or "planted". You'll see.



So, Terral, you say that the A-3 is designed to explode completely upon impact. That's fine. That absolves you from option #1 of this post:

Terral you have three options:

1) Show us a picture of an intact A-3 at the Pentagon
2) Show us a picture of parts at the Pentagon that are unique to an A-3.
3) Admit you are a hypocrite.

What'll it be?

So you're now left with the problem of Option #2: Show us a picture of parts at the Pentagon that are unique to an A-3. You have shown us pictures; they are too small and too blurry for anything to be visible. Thus using the pictures you have just shown me, I would have to simply take your word for it that they are A-3 parts. But I can't do that because you are a proven liar. Your word is worth nothing.

Show us the parts that are UNIQUE to an A-3, and give me photos that aren't so tiny and blurry that only somebody with magical Truther-Eyes can see.

Time to man up, Terral. Show us your evidence.

[1337m4n]

Oh, one more thing, moron: 757s are built from aluminum, which is considerably weaker than the titanium that you claimed they were built from. Get your facts straight before making up lies.

[Dave Rogers]

Just to clarify Terral, it would be this A-3



Just not this A3



Are you sure it wasn't this A-3?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1476447b170dff234d.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10763)

The hole's the right size.

Dave

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Terral, have you talked to any family members from any of those hijacked planes and have they come forward and talked to you about how much money they received from the government to keep quiet?

[HENTAI DOUKYUSEI JP]

Just not this A3

http://www.analogstereo.com/images/om/audi_a3.jpg
may be this "A3" fits Terral's fantasies
www.alienaa.com

[AMTMAN]

Now that I have shown you my ‘evidence’ for a much smaller Jet being seen hitting the Pentagon ‘and’ the related damage and debris, it is now your turn to show me where ‘your’ 100-Ton Jetliner (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/ThisIsVeryBig.jpg) crashed into the Pentagon doing one of these numbers (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/NotAtPentagon.jpg) (see the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKhBzAh_eeA)). :0) The problem with ‘your’ situation is that AA Jetliners are designed to hold together ‘and’ they have a 60-Ton titanium frame. However, my DoD Jet was designed to go BOOM, which it did to produce all this evidence. Starting this thread really was not a very good idea. Right? (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif) :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

GL,

Terral

Hate to drop another bomb on you Terral but no airliner in use has a "60-Ton titanium frame". Where do you get your information, a Cracker Jack box? Airliners are primarily made of aluminum alloy since it is light and relatively easy to work with. Titanium on the other hand is difficult to work with and expensive. That's why it's saved for high stress areas like engine pylons.

[EventHorizon]

Hate to drop another bomb on you Terral but no airliner in use has a "60-Ton titanium frame". Where do you get your information, a Cracker Jack box? Airliners are primarily made of aluminum alloy since it is light and relatively easy to work with. Titanium on the other hand is difficult to work with and expensive. That's why it's saved for high stress areas like engine pylons.

Bah. Why let facts get in the way of a good (or bad) conspiracy theory. :rolleyes:

[AMTMAN]

Bah. Why let facts get in the way of a good (or bad) conspiracy theory. :rolleyes:

Or if your favorite conspiracy theory is called into questions just invent another conspiracy theory to protect/explain the original.

[Terral]

Hi 1337:

1337 >> Time to man up, Terral. Show us your evidence.


Really? Bummer. And we were having so much fun. I refuse to be part of the ‘debunker’ (heh (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif)) stupidity that goes on around here, when my threads are trashed for no good reason; but your Terral-bashing and Richard Gage-bashing and Dylan Avery-bashing threads are treated like gold and all of these wantabe ‘debunkers’ are encouraged to pile on. You cannot expect real 911Truthers to show up to this charade, until the playing field becomes level. Since that will never happen, then the Official Cover Story and the ‘debunkers’ (heh) are king. Who knows? Maybe I will be able to start another thread in a year or so that will not disappear into thin air . . .

What do you get when a couple thousand delusional ‘debunkers’ all crowd into one room? :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

Take a good look around . . . (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg)

Cheers,

Terral

[TheRedWorm]

Hi 1337:




Really? Bummer. And we were having so much fun. I refuse to be part of the ‘debunker’ (heh (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif)) stupidity that goes on around here, when my threads are trashed for no good reason; but your Terral-bashing and Richard Gage-bashing and Dylan Avery-bashing threads are treated like gold and all of these wantabe ‘debunkers’ are encouraged to pile on. You cannot expect real 911Truthers to show up to this charade, until the playing field becomes level. Since that will never happen, then the Official Cover Story and the ‘debunkers’ (heh) are king. Who knows? Maybe I will be able to start another thread in a year or so that will not disappear into thin air . . .

What do you get when a couple thousand delusional ‘debunkers’ all crowd into one room? :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

Take a good look around . . . (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg)

Cheers,

Terral

Can I take this as an admission that you have absolutely no evidence?

[1337m4n]

I see Terral has opted to complain about being oppressed instead of refuting my evidence.

Ironically, my evidence comes from a Truther website! Difference is, they actually get this part right: because they agree a 757 struck the Pentagon.

[AMTMAN]

Hi 1337:




Really? Bummer. And we were having so much fun. I refuse to be part of the ‘debunker’ (heh (http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c266/Terral03/YoSoFunny.gif)) stupidity that goes on around here, when my threads are trashed for no good reason; but your Terral-bashing and Richard Gage-bashing and Dylan Avery-bashing threads are treated like gold and all of these wantabe ‘debunkers’ are encouraged to pile on. You cannot expect real 911Truthers to show up to this charade, until the playing field becomes level. Since that will never happen, then the Official Cover Story and the ‘debunkers’ (heh) are king. Who knows? Maybe I will be able to start another thread in a year or so that will not disappear into thin air . . .

What do you get when a couple thousand delusional ‘debunkers’ all crowd into one room? :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

Take a good look around . . . (http://files.myopera.com/wickedlizard/blog/Big%20smile.jpg)

Cheers,

Terral

It's funny that you get on Mark's case for not responding to your PM's. Yet when someone points out the numerous errors and outright falsehoods in you do two things. You either go silent or you talk about everything else and not the original subject. Basically you just spout more non-sense.

[Par]

So, still no picture of an A3 then? Oh well.

[SpitfireIX]

I see Terral has opted to complain about being oppressed instead of refuting my evidence.


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1706047b1f52055352.jpg

[sts60]

AA Jetliners are designed to hold together ‘and’ they have a 60-Ton titanium frame.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Titanium, aluminum, whatever. It's all the same thing.

Terral's Absolute Proclamations of Fact remind me of Michael Keaton in Mr. Mom. He's trying to bluff his way to he-man credentials, saying he's building a new room on the house or such. He's asked, "Are you going to wire it up for 220?" He gives a manly shrug: "220, 221, whatever it takes."

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[MIKILLINI]

Are you sure it wasn't this A-3?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1476447b170dff234d.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10763)

The hole's the right size.

Dave

That would knock over a few light poles too. :D

[MIKILLINI]

may be this "A3" fits Terral's fantasies
www.alienaa.com

And it's free!!

[MIKILLINI]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1706047b1f52055352.jpg

:dl:

So to summarize this, Terral:

1.) Does not acknowledge or chose to ignore this bit of news on his "evidence" site:
Airline: American Airlines (AA)Flight Number: 0011Time Period: September 11, 2001 to September 11, 2001
On-Time Flights:
NOTE: Late, cancelled and diverted flights are subtracted from total flights to determine on-time percent.
A complete listing of airline and airport abbreviations is available. Times are reported in local time using a 24 hour clock.
On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, these flights are not included in the on-time summary statistics.

2.) Refuses to or cannot produce solid convincing evidence of an A-3 Skywarrior. Enough evidence to prove, convincingly, that it was an A-3 and not a Boeing 757.

3.) These are quotes used by you, Terral; Yours is bolded, I'll highlight in red what you ignored.

Delawareonline >> “Cars traveling nearby were…showered with rocks and other debris. Among the trash littering the road was a scorched green oxygen tank marked ‘Cabin air. Airline use.’ When the debris shower stopped, people began getting out of their cars.”


An A-3 does not have a cabin...it only has a cockpit. Details, details.

Chris Bradman >> “The lawn was littered with twisted pieces of aluminum. He saw one chunk painted with the letter ‘A,’ another with a ‘C’… This was a jet.”


Two AMERICAN letters.
How could you miss this? Or did you just choose only the facts you wanted?