Why doesn't news media describe gory details of suicide bombings?

[Iamme]

Aren't we all rubberneckers at heart? Wouldn't a lot of people like to know the condtions, for example, of those 2 mongoloid women who were strapped with explosives and detonated yesterday, that killed many people? If that killed people in the vicinity of them, just what did it do to THEM?

This could be consideed a sick curiosity. I don't know if I'd actually care to see it, actually. But I think many would take a peak. And many more would at least like to hear it described. Like, if they said their heads came off and wound up ontop of a bus parked 2 blocks away.

[Darth Rotor]

Why doesn't news media describe gory details of suicide bombings?

Because they hate you, and don't want you to have any fun.

DR

[JWideman]

They were probably vaporized in an instant. Not very exciting.

[Iamme]

Because they hate you, and don't want you to have any fun.

DR

Huh. So you all hate me, and you think the news media also hates me. Huh.

[Iamme]

They were probably vaporized in an instant. Not very exciting.

I doubt it.

I once saw older teenagers, when I was about 10, unload a shotgun point blank into a rabbit that THOUGHT it was camoflouged. Well, the rabbit's head was dangling by fur and the entrails flew out and were still wiggling. The intestines, specifically, were all out and they looked like something from a sausage factory. An eyeball was hanging out of it's socket. Stuff like that. It was quite interesting to see, actually.

[fuelair]

I doubt it.

I once saw older teenagers, when I was about 10, unload a shotgun point blank into a rabbit that THOUGHT it was camoflouged. Well, the rabbit's head was dangling by fur and the entrails flew out and were still wiggling. The intestines, specifically, were all out and they looked like something from a sausage factory. An eyeball was hanging out of it's socket. Stuff like that. It was quite interesting to see, actually.So, do you have the heart of a small child?:):)








In a jar of formaldehyde on your desk?

[PAC]

Why did the Bush administration ban photos of returning flag draped coffins?

As I understand, photos during the Civil War were the first time average citizens saw the horrors of war and they were stunned.

I am curious and would like to see all kinds of things...an autopsy, etc.

[fuelair]

Why did the Bush administration ban photos of returning flag draped coffins?

As I understand, photos during the Civil War were the first time average citizens saw the horrors of war and they were stunned.

I am curious and would like to see all kinds of things...an autopsy, etc.cable (HBO for one) has had these on.

[Cylinder]

Why did the Bush administration ban photos of returning flag draped coffins?

As I understand, photos during the Civil War were the first time average citizens saw the horrors of war and they were stunned.

I am curious and would like to see all kinds of things...an autopsy, etc.


The Dover Ban (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=dc&navby=case&no=935194a) was instituted formally in 1991.

[shadron]

There are any number of places on the web where these kind of pictures and videos can be found if your curiosity runs to that. There are autopsies and medical operations on medical sites. I suppose they are middlin'-popular, but they'll never become mainstream, I don't think. For one reason, the old saw about seeing them once usually is true enough. When you've seen a doctor place an artificial knee joint in the femur bone (it's done with a heavy mallet) you'll likely not need to see it again. The reason for why its not more in your face is that its not popular enough; the demand, such as it is, is fulfilled by the existing outlets. If it were more popular, Fox and CNN would be running it, through no-name subsidiaries. Nuts - perhaps they are.

As for the bombers, there are often pieces and parts left; chemical explosives usually don't vaporize as much as simply tear everything apart. There was a video about a year ago of the remains of a bomber (looked to be about half the torso and the head) which were crying out for a drink; other people just walked over and around it until it stopped.

[Darth Rotor]

The Dover Ban (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=dc&navby=case&no=935194a) was instituted formally in 1991.
Please don't confuse PAC with facts, Cylinder, you know that you are an over the top military sort. :rolleyes:

Love your show. :)

DR

[Boo]

Aren't we all rubberneckers at heart? Wouldn't a lot of people like to know the condtions, for example, of those 2 mongoloid women who were strapped with explosives and detonated yesterday, that killed many people? If that killed people in the vicinity of them, just what did it do to THEM?

This could be consideed a sick curiosity. I don't know if I'd actually care to see it, actually. But I think many would take a peak. And many more would at least like to hear it described. Like, if they said their heads came off and wound up ontop of a bus parked 2 blocks away.


Because there are more than a few of us who already have seen these things and don't need any more nightmares, thankyouverymuch. I stopped watching local and national news programs many years ago because of the unrelenting repetition of the myriad ways humans beings can inflict pain and damage on one another. At least online I can control what images and stories I see.

If you want to satisfy your morbid curiosity there are places on the internet you can do that.

These people did not die for your amusement and are not a spectacle to entertain you. If you want to amuse yourself watching people die in that manner there are plenty of movies that will show it to you. The people that died were innocent of nothing more then going about their daily lives and deserve more respect then to have their final moments displayed to satisfy your morbid curiosity.



Boo

[E.J.Armstrong]

Aren't we all rubberneckers at heart? Wouldn't a lot of people like to know the condtions, for example, of those 2 mongoloid women who were strapped with explosives and detonated yesterday, that killed many people? If that killed people in the vicinity of them, just what did it do to THEM?

This could be consideed a sick curiosity. I don't know if I'd actually care to see it, actually. But I think many would take a peak. And many more would at least like to hear it described. Like, if they said their heads came off and wound up ontop of a bus parked 2 blocks away.

Because it would be completely sick.

Why not show the children killed by US military bombing of a wedding party for example or of the results of a Hamas and Israeli rocket attack on innocent people? That would be just as sick and they would still be just as dead. The world needs to spotlight those who use innocent women and children in their inhuman attempts to teach others a lesson.

[Tricky]

They do sometimes. It's never a long essay. Just bits and pieces.
Yes, I'm completely sick, but that doesn't make me a bad person, does it?

[Polaris]

Aren't we all rubberneckers at heart? Wouldn't a lot of people like to know the condtions, for example, of those 2 mongoloid women who were strapped with explosives and detonated yesterday, that killed many people? If that killed people in the vicinity of them, just what did it do to THEM?

This could be consideed a sick curiosity. I don't know if I'd actually care to see it, actually. But I think many would take a peak. And many more would at least like to hear it described. Like, if they said their heads came off and wound up ontop of a bus parked 2 blocks away.

www.ogrish.com

I think that site's still up. Enjoy.

[Father Dagon]

Aren't we all rubberneckers at heart? Wouldn't a lot of people like to know the condtions, for example, of those 2 mongoloid women who were strapped with explosives and detonated yesterday, that killed many people? If that killed people in the vicinity of them, just what did it do to THEM?No kidding? They really had trisomy 21?The Dover Ban (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=dc&navby=case&no=935194a) was instituted formally in 1991.Fools! It will only fan the fires of the tinfoils and smother the crys for venegance.

[shadron]

Why not show the children killed by US military bombing of a wedding party for example or of the results of a Hamas and Israeli rocket attack on innocent people? That would be just as sick and they would still be just as dead. The world needs to spotlight those who use innocent women and children in their inhuman attempts to teach others a lesson.

Indeed, why not? Some of the people who run the sites where these things exist do so for the express purpose of trying to shock people into action. During WWII and the Korean War reporters were part (at least on a shifting temporary basis) of units in action in these wars. In the VietNamese War they brought the carnage off the printed page and right onto the home screen, which is why the Army today works so hard to keep them corralled and away from the front "for their own safety". What, do you suppose, would be the effect of "The Best of Today's Warfare" during the battle for Fallujah each night at 5:00? Do you suppose Bush would be able to hold out the way he does against demands for a timetable with that on the TV?

[Father Dagon]

Regarding Nguyen Ngoc Loan's, the national police chief of South Vietnam, summary execution of Nguyen Van Lem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguyen_Van_Lem): A misinterpretation is that the photograph (and the film) of the execution "turned the scales" of public opinion in the US. On the contrary, many supported Loan, as they thought it was the right way to deal with commie death squads.

[Lucy82]

Aren't we all rubberneckers at heart? Wouldn't a lot of people like to know the condtions, for example, of those 2 mongoloid women who were strapped with explosives and detonated yesterday, that killed many people? If that killed people in the vicinity of them, just what did it do to THEM?


Leaving aside the very dubious sentiment expressed here, how DARE you use 'mongoloid' as an insult? 'Mongols', or 'people with Down's Syndrome' as enlightened people call them, are human beings, most of whom lead happy, productive lives.

My sister is one of them, which explains why if this forum allowed swearing I would be being a LOT less polite than I am now.

[Silly Green Monkey]

It sounded more to me like an identifier ( I do still hear Down's being referred to as Mongoloid) than as a insult.

[Polaris]

Leaving aside the very dubious sentiment expressed here, how DARE you use 'mongoloid' as an insult? 'Mongols', or 'people with Down's Syndrome' as enlightened people call them, are human beings, most of whom lead happy, productive lives.

My sister is one of them, which explains why if this forum allowed swearing I would be being a LOT less polite than I am now.

He's using it to describe them because there were reports that the bombers were indeed mentally retarded.

[Lucy82]

He's using it to describe them because there were reports that the bombers were indeed mentally retarded.

Oh my god. I feel physically sick. I hadn't seen any of the news reports. Just when you think the human race can't sink any lower...

[Iamme]

These people did not die for your amusement and are not a spectacle to entertain you. If you want to amuse yourself watching people die in that manner there are plenty of movies that will show it to you.


Was it in the movie, "Young Frankenstein" that they were trying to harvest body parts and once they tried getting the head off a live person and they used lopping shears and showed the neck being squeezed in, in slow motion, and then...snip! That was really neat. The neck caved way in before the head finally got sheared off the neck. Really neat.

Then I have a dvd at home, some B-movie of the B-movies, and they showed this guy getting his head blown off at point blank range by a grenade launcher, and they showed his head coming off and going through a wall, and leaving a 2 inch stub of neckbone, and they showed down in the top of the neck a little and showed both arteries on each side squirting out blood with no head on the neck anymore.

[Iamme]

Leaving aside the very dubious sentiment expressed here, how DARE you use 'mongoloid' as an insult? 'Mongols', or 'people with Down's Syndrome' as enlightened people call them, are human beings, most of whom lead happy, productive lives.

My sister is one of them, which explains why if this forum allowed swearing I would be being a LOT less polite than I am now.

I'm sorry what I said hit close to the heart. No harm intended. They actually used the term on the news! They said both Mongoloids and Down's Syndrome.

[The Painter]

Was it in the movie, "Young Frankenstein" that they were trying to harvest body parts and once they tried getting the head off a live person and they used lopping shears and showed the neck being squeezed in, in slow motion, and then...snip! That was really neat. The neck caved way in before the head finally got sheared off the neck. Really neat.

Then I have a dvd at home, some B-movie of the B-movies, and they showed this guy getting his head blown off at point blank range by a grenade launcher, and they showed his head coming off and going through a wall, and leaving a 2 inch stub of neckbone, and they showed down in the top of the neck a little and showed both arteries on each side squirting out blood with no head on the neck anymore.

I think you should enlist. That is providing you can pass the psych test, which could be a real problem for you.

[Sir Robin Goodfellow]

I can't imagine anyone under ninety referring to someone who has Down syndrome as a "Mongoloid". It's kind of like when somebody's grandpa calls black people "darkies".

[Cylinder]

Indeed, why not?

Because the Laws of Armed Conflict - specifically Article 16 of the Fourth Geneva Convention - restrict what US forces can authorize with regard to non-combatant casualties:

The wounded and sick, as well as the infirm, and expectant mothers, shall be the object of particular protection and respect.

As far as military considerations allow, each Party to the conflict shall facilitate the steps taken to search for the killed and wounded, to assist the shipwrecked and other persons exposed to grave danger, and to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment.

--

During WWII and the Korean War reporters were part (at least on a shifting temporary basis) of units in action in these wars. In the VietNamese War they brought the carnage off the printed page and right onto the home screen, which is why the Army today works so hard to keep them corralled and away from the front "for their own safety". What, do you suppose, would be the effect of "The Best of Today's Warfare" during the battle for Fallujah each night at 5:00? Do you suppose Bush would be able to hold out the way he does against demands for a timetable with that on the TV?

Of course, both the first and second battles for Fallujah were covered by embedded reporters - that's why everyone is so familiar with it. Remember the US Marine who was excoriated by the media for shooting a wounded insurgent in an Iraqi mosque? That video was taken by NBC's Kevin Sites of Nov 13, 2004 - three days after the initial assault and three days before the the city was secured. From NBC'c narrative:

Saturday, however, reports surfaced that mosques in the region had been reoccupied, including the mosque the Marine battalion had stormed the day before.

Two units that were not involved in Friday’s fighting advanced on the mosque, one moving around the back and the second, accompanied by Sites, from the front. Sites said he could hear gunfire from inside.

That sounds a bit like an embedded reporter in a combat operation to me.

[Foolmewunz]

What's with the I AM crowd(IamIvy, iAmerican, Iamme)?

Is there a competition to see who can post the most insensitive and/or reprehensible drivel?

Iamme... I'm really getting worried for you. Every now and then you slip into "normal", but more often than not, you're more "Norman" - not the invaders of England in 1066, but the guy in the motel, Norman Bates. Seriously - do you have anyone you can talk out some of these fantasies and ideas with?

[slingblade]

Was it in the movie, "Young Frankenstein" that they were trying to harvest body parts and once they tried getting the head off a live person and they used lopping shears and showed the neck being squeezed in, in slow motion, and then...snip! That was really neat. The neck caved way in before the head finally got sheared off the neck. Really neat.

No. There was no such scene even remotely like that in Young Frankenstein.




And what you describe does not fit into any of my definitions for "really neat."

I recently watched someone die. I watched every moment of it, and it lasted for many hours. There was nothing really neat about it. Young Frankenstein happened to be one of her favorite movies.

[bjb]

I can't imagine anyone under ninety referring to someone who has Down syndrome as a "Mongoloid". It's kind of like when somebody's grandpa calls black people "darkies".

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080202/wl_afp/iraqunrest_13

It was an Iraqi who used the term 'mongoloid'. At least, it was translated that way into English.

[BPSCG]

Was it in the movie, "Young Frankenstein" that they were trying to harvest body parts and once they tried getting the head off a live person and they used lopping shears and showed the neck being squeezed in, in slow motion, and then...snip! That was really neat. The neck caved way in before the head finally got sheared off the neck. Really neat.

Then I have a dvd at home, some B-movie of the B-movies, and they showed this guy getting his head blown off at point blank range by a grenade launcher, and they showed his head coming off and going through a wall, and leaving a 2 inch stub of neckbone, and they showed down in the top of the neck a little and showed both arteries on each side squirting out blood with no head on the neck anymore.I remember reading, in, oh, I think it was about fifth grade, an explanation of how many atoms there are in every breath you take. There was a rough calculation (I forget how it went) said that with every breath, you take in a million or so atoms of nitrogen that were once breathed by Leonardo da Vinci.

Unfortunately, it means I also breathe in a million or so atoms once breathed by Iamme.

Pardon me while I go take a bath in Clorox.

[Father Dagon]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080202/wl_afp/iraqunrest_13

It was an Iraqi who used the term 'mongoloid'. At least, it was translated that way into English.The article mentionend photographs. Anyone who has photographs of them? And I guess that al-Qaeda used remote controlled explosives. Me, I wouldn't use anyone with even the slightest retardation for something as sensitive as a suicide attack against crowds. (Not the act itself is sensitive, but the cirumstances. An undisciplined person might starting to toy with the trigger and the explosives goes of in a narrow and desolate alley and the bomber might be the only casualty. Etc, etc.) My guess is that al-Qaeda trained them to be couriers. Wear X, go to place Y where person Z will meet you and relieve you of your cargo.

[NoZed Avenger]

Oh my god. I feel physically sick. I hadn't seen any of the news reports. Just when you think the human race can't sink any lower...

At the risk of violating the 'no true Scotsman' rule -- I cannot think of the trash that planned this as human any more. They are missing something that the rest of us -- no matter how nasty -- have inside us.

[BPSCG]

At the risk of violating the 'no true Scotsman' rule -- I cannot think of the trash that planned this as human any more. They are missing something that the rest of us -- no matter how nasty -- have inside us.Meh - LordoftheLeftHand thinks it's no worse than waterboarding.

[Polaris]

I remember reading, in, oh, I think it was about fifth grade, an explanation of how many atoms there are in every breath you take. There was a rough calculation (I forget how it went) said that with every breath, you take in a million or so atoms of nitrogen that were once breathed by Leonardo da Vinci.

Unfortunately, it means I also breathe in a million or so atoms once breathed by Iamme.

Pardon me while I go take a bath in Clorox.

Richard Dawkins, in a seminar, stated something similar about if you drink a certain (trivial) amount of water you will drink a molecule that has passed through the bladder of Oliver Cromwell. You can find the speech on youtube but I don't know the exact address (that site is Verboten at my job). It'll take some time to get to, but listening to Dawkins is never a waste of time.

[Ron_Tomkins]

Aren't we all rubberneckers at heart?

I'm thinking: No.

[Autolite]

This could be considered a sick curiosity. I don't know if I'd actually care to see it, actually. But I think many would take a peak.

Iamme, I am not quite sure why you think something like this would be news worthy. I am not talking about the morality aspects of the issue, but isn't it fairly common knowledge (the effects of an explosive blast on the human body)? I used to work with explosives and I must admit that it was entertaining watching the detonation but there really wasn't any mystery as to what the end results would be ...

[Autolite]

Richard Dawkins, in a seminar, stated something similar about if you drink a certain (trivial) amount of water you will drink a molecule that has passed through the bladder of Oliver Cromwell.

Whoa! I'm I ever glad that some-body's cleared that up for me. I used to think that I was just lousy at making coffee...

[Joppy]

Oh why didn't I looked at who the OP was before opening this thread? :rolleyes: