Max, Who Flew the Planes?

[pomeroo]

You're on, Max.

[pomeroo]

Understandably, you're still clearing your throat, Max. I'll help you get started.

Whoever flew the planes had to coordinate their mission perfectly with the imaginary conspirators who were planting thermite (why thermite?) in the Towers. To hit the exact floor where the thermite (why thermite?) was placed required tremendous skill. Please continue--this is your baby.

[pomeroo]

Sure is quiet in here.

[twinstead]

If I break out into a rousing rendition of Abba's Fernando would that liven it up in here?

[pomeroo]

If I break out into a rousing rendition of Abba's Fernando would that liven it up in here?


I think I'll self-censor any allusions to Dancing Queen.

[Elizabeth I]

If I break out into a rousing rendition of Abba's Fernando would that liven it up in here?

Yes, from me throwing things at you. :duck:

[twinstead]

Tough crowd...

[pomeroo]

Did I hear something?

[fuelair]

No, just your imagination......

[Reality Believer]

Did I hear something?
Yea
I9g2EO2HxEw

[Jonnyclueless]

The planes were flown by a small rogue group of thermite. They can sense other pieces of thermite which is how they knew to hit the exact floors.

[pomeroo]

Yea
I9g2EO2HxEw


That was a great song, beautifully performed. Beats hell out of the chirping of those damn crickets.

[pomeroo]

Wait! I just spotted Max!

[SezMe]

Its only been, what, 35 minutes? Sheesh.

[pomeroo]

Wait! I just spotted Max!


Sorry. It was a squirrel.

[pomeroo]

We made it to the 1 hour mark!

Would anyone think me unkind if I suggested that--just maybe--Max hasn't really figured out who was flying the planes?

[Alt+F4]

Damn, the Giants aren't winning!

[Alareth]

Since the Abba idea failed, can I interest you people in some vintage Falco?

[ElMondoHummus]

Bah! Philistines! Bringing out Abba!

I shall enlighten you masses with some Ravel. Here is BOLERO!

3-4J5j74VPw


Take that, you masses!

[twinstead]

Since the Abba idea failed, can I interest you people in some vintage Falco?

Only, and I mean ONLY, if it's Rock Me Amadeus

[liverleef]

Interesting question. I often wonder what the toughest questions are for truthers to answer. Has there been a thread devoted to this? If so could someone provide the link.

[SezMe]

Probably that old one-word war horse from CFL: Evidence?

[Max Photon]

Wrongway Feldman

[Edx]

Bah! Philistines! Bringing out Abba!

I shall enlighten you masses with some Ravel. Here is BOLERO!

3-4J5j74VPw


Take that, you masses!

Ahhh,always loved that piece :) I swear some of the flutes sound like records... ... :confused: I swear the brass seem to be playing off little differences to what I remember it is as well. maybe its me :)

[Reality Believer]

Wrongway Feldman
Oooh wrong answer, sorry. :( John Goldfarb. The correct pop culture reference was John Goldfarb.

[pomeroo]

Wrongway Feldman



Max-Max, you're looking bad here. So, your imaginary conspiracy placed thermite (why thermite?) on the floor that the planes hit. Tell us who flew those planes. Seriously.

[jhunter1163]

10-7 Giants, 11 minutes left!

[Sabrina]

Go Giants!

No, I don't really care for the Giants; I just want them to win 'cause I dislike the Pats intensely. I'm a Bronco fan all the way, but they didn't make it this year, so the Giants it is.

[Blender Head]

Go Giants!

No, I don't really care for the Giants; I just want them to win 'cause I dislike the Pats intensely. I'm a Bronco fan all the way, but they didn't make it this year, so the Giants it is.

They'll pull together and win one for Darrent next year.

[fuelair]

The planes were flown by a small rogue group of thermite. They can sense other pieces of thermite which is how they knew to hit the exact floors.

When did thermites learn to fly planes - I thought they just chewed wood (don't get excited DOC!).

[OldTigerCub]

10-7 Giants...as of 9:30...What was the question?....:rolleyes:

[OldTigerCub]

Go Giants!

No, I don't really care for the Giants; I just want them to win 'cause I dislike the Pats intensely. I'm a Bronco fan all the way, but they didn't make it this year, so the Giants it is.

Hehe...It sucks to be a Steeler fan this year...but the Pats need to be put in their place!:p

[The Doc]

*Tumble weed rolls across the virtual street*.

2,000th post too :p

[apathoid]

Giant thermites?

[ElMondoHummus]

Hehe...It sucks to be a Steeler fan this year...but the Pats need to be put in their place!:p


Hehe... anyone wanna apply to be a Steelers fan?

Link (http://ihatetombrady.com/images/steelersapp.JPG)

Sample lines:



If you answered "Cincinnati Bengals" above, please provide the phone number of your case worker and/or parole officer:
Reason you want to become a Steelers fan... If you answered "total embarrassment" to above, please be advised that we are not accepting applications from Cleveland Browns fans at this time.
Please fill out all the fields in pen (ATTN: Raiders fans - no crayon)

[ElMondoHummus]

Ahhh,always loved that piece :) I swear some of the flutes sound like records... ... :confused: I swear the brass seem to be playing off little differences to what I remember it is as well. maybe its me :)


Hehe... you know, I luuuv how so many insist the manic repetativeness of the piece is proof of Ravel's mental illness.

What does that say about me that I like it? :boggled::D

Woo woo woo woo woowoowoowoowoowoo nyuk nyuk nyuk...

[ElMondoHummus]

Just turned the game on. Giants by 3 with less than half a minute left!

Wow!

[Reality Believer]

You're on, Max.
Giants Win. Back to holding Max's feet to the fire. :dewink:

[Max Photon]

I do not know.

I know what I was told. But I do not know if what I was told is correct.


Max

[bje]

I do not know.

I know what I was told. But I do not know if what I was told is correct.


Max


Looks like you're caught between overwhelming evidence and the 9/11 Truth Movement.

I'm not.

[pomeroo]

I do not know.

I know what I was told. But I do not know if what I was told is correct.


Max


But, Max, your whole fantasy is collapsing. If someone couldn't fly the planes into the exact floors where your imaginary conspirators were placing thermite (why thermite?), then you'd be forced to confront reality.
What will you do?

[Jonnyclueless]

And yet he sure seems to "know" that thermite was used to bring the building down despite no evidence.

[Max Photon]

But, Max, your whole fantasy is collapsing.


I think that's the USDollar you're noticing.


If someone couldn't fly the planes into the exact floors where your imaginary conspirators were placing thermite (why thermite?)...


Why thermite? Because the stuff's a miracle if you're a deception planner.

Energy dense, untraceable, ambiguous in residue tests, a million tons of the constituents lying around, a zillion possible sources - I could go on and on.

Short answer: NIST 2006 FAQ 12: Residue tests for thermite are inconclusive.


...then you'd be forced to confront reality.
What will you do?


There's a Confront Realty just a few blocks away from me.


If someone couldn't fly the planes into the exact floors where your imaginary conspirators were placing thermite...

then MAX-MIHOP becomes MAX-LIHOP.

In other words, rather than thermite being planted at say 5 floors, it would have to be planted at many more.

There would also be a web of thermite fuse around the towers.


MAX-LIHOP is definitely more work than MAX-MIHOP. In the extreme - to rig the entire tower - 110 storeys / 5 storeys = 22 times more work and material.

Nevertheless, I suspect planting thermite would be far less work than placing linear shaped charges, or thermite cutting devices (whatever those are) on massive core box columns throughout the towers, as others envision.


Max

[mrbaracuda]

Why thermite? Because the stuff's a miracle if you're a deception planner.

Energy dense, untraceable

Woah, gotta stop you there! That's not what Steven Jones said when he was holding up his piece of evidence at the Scholars for Whatever symposium! :boxedin:

[Apollo20]

Ah yes, those pesky microspheres!

All 12 milligrams of them according to Jones' May 2007 paper!

[beachnut]

Energy dense, untraceable, ambiguous in residue tests, a million tons of the constituents lying around, a zillion possible sources - I could go on and on.
Max
Max; wrong again. Thermite is not energy dense. Jet fuel is energy dense!!! If thermite was denser than jet fuel, airplanes would have thermite engines as would cars. This is why TNT does not power our cars, gasoline is easier to carry around and provides more energy per pound.

IF you wanted to destroy the WTC you would cut the fire systems with a big impact and introduce 66,000 pounds of jet fuel to start the largest fires you can and make the tower fall. See, the real story is reality; your story is messed up with errors.

[Max Photon]

At a minimum, Beachnut does present good evidence that any idiots could have flown the jets.

[pomeroo]

I think that's the USDollar you're noticing.


Why thermite? Because the stuff's a miracle if you're a deception planner.

Energy dense, untraceable, ambiguous in residue tests, a million tons of the constituents lying around, a zillion possible sources - I could go on and on.

Short answer: NIST 2006 FAQ 12: Residue tests for thermite are inconclusive.


Ah, but the truth--as opposed to da twoof--is that your "deception planners" are mere figments of your imagination. You don't know a blessed thing about thermite and its uses.





There's a Confront Realty just a few blocks away from me.



Game's over, Max: the Super Bowl and your game.




If someone couldn't fly the planes into the exact floors where your imaginary conspirators were placing thermite...

then MAX-MIHOP becomes MAX-LIHOP.

In other words, rather than thermite being planted at say 5 floors, it would have to be planted at many more.


Nope, MAX-MIHOP, MAX-LIHOP, and MAX-BUNNYHOP all sleep with the fishes. It's over.



There would also be a web of thermite fuse around the towers.


Yeah, a real big one. And an invisible one, too.



MAX-LIHOP is definitely more work than MAX-MIHOP. In the extreme - to rig the entire tower - 110 storeys / 5 storeys = 22 times more work and material.

Nevertheless, I suspect planting thermite would be far less work than placing linear shaped charges, or thermite cutting devices (whatever those are) on massive core box columns throughout the towers, as others envision.

Max


Last night I saw upon the stair
A little man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away



Cling to Fetzer's Razor* with all your might, Max. Your reign of error has ended. You have--pardon the expression--crashed and burned.

*Entities should be multiplied until they resemble clowns tumbling out of a tiny car.

[mrwronggt13]

What planes?

Nobody flew the planes, because they were video composite planes.

[parky76]

the planes were flown by israelis, because we all know, arabs are too stupid to fly planes.

[beachnut]

At a minimum, Beachnut does present good evidence that any idiots could have flown the jets.
Any kid could fly the jets into a building. Sorry, you are projecting.

[pomeroo]

What planes?

Nobody flew the planes, because they were video composite planes.


You're lying. At least, the 50-100,000 eyewitnesses who watched Flight 175 slam into the South Tower think you're either lying or crazy. Those people watched from their cars as they crossed the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges, from the streets below, and from their office and apartment windows. I know three of them very well. There are people who post here regularly who saw the plane.

But. you'll be delighted to hear that one of Morgan Reynolds's most disturbed disciples, Ace Baker, will attempt on 'Hardfire' to con the author of a book of video compositing. Needless to say, Reynolds himself wouldn't dream of peddling his snake oil to anything but an audience of uncritical dunces such as...well, I don't want to get personal.

[Max Photon]

Max; wrong again. Thermite is not energy dense. Jet fuel is energy dense!!! If thermite was denser than jet fuel, airplanes would have thermite engines as would cars. This is why TNT does not power our cars, gasoline is easier to carry around and provides more energy per pound.

IF you wanted to destroy the WTC you would cut the fire systems with a big impact and introduce 66,000 pounds of jet fuel to start the largest fires you can and make the tower fall. See, the real story is reality; your story is messed up with errors.


Usually what one hate in others, one hates in oneself.


Beachnut, you forget, my model has exactly as much jet fuel and office fuel as your model.

(Hey, we match! :) )

My model has damaged sprinklers - just like your model.

My model has just as much damaged SFRM - or more! - because I also consider the possibility of an aluminum-water explosion. (Why are you leaving out the jet's aluminum as an energy source? Do you know how much aluminum did or didn't burn?)

My model has the exact same collapse mechanisms as yours. (What are the odds?)

Our evidence base is the same.

And we both heart the NIST Report.


Couple all of this with our virtually identical senses of humor, and it's as if we're twins.

[pomeroo]

Usually what one hate in others, one hates in oneself.


Beachnut, you forget, my model has exactly as much jet fuel and office fuel as your model.

(Hey, we match! :) )

My model has damaged sprinklers - just like your model.

My model has just as much damaged SFRM - or more! - because I also consider the possibility of an aluminum-water explosion. (Why are you leaving out the jet's aluminum as an energy source? Do you know how much aluminum did or didn't burn?)

My model has the exact same collapse mechanisms as yours. (What are the odds?)

Our evidence base is the same.

And we both heart the NIST Report.


Couple all of this with our virtually identical senses of humor, and it's as if we're twins.


Exactly! He's Ah-nald and you're Danny DeVito.

[Max Photon]

...a towering figure in your world, I'm sure.

[Chuck Guiteau]

I think that's the USDollar you're noticing.





Why thermite? Because the stuff's a miracle if you're a deception planner.

Energy dense, untraceable, ambiguous in residue tests, a million tons of the constituents lying around, a zillion possible sources - I could go on and on.

Short answer: NIST 2006 FAQ 12: Residue tests for thermite are inconclusive.





There's a Confront Realty just a few blocks away from me.


If someone couldn't fly the planes into the exact floors where your imaginary conspirators were placing thermite...

then MAX-MIHOP becomes MAX-LIHOP.

In other words, rather than thermite being planted at say 5 floors, it would have to be planted at many more.

There would also be a web of thermite fuse around the towers.


MAX-LIHOP is definitely more work than MAX-MIHOP. In the extreme - to rig the entire tower - 110 storeys / 5 storeys = 22 times more work and material.

Nevertheless, I suspect planting thermite would be far less work than placing linear shaped charges, or thermite cutting devices (whatever those are) on massive core box columns throughout the towers, as others envision.


Max


By jingies, I think you’re on to something, Max!

But you forgot to include all the other advantages to thermite:
1. Difficult to reliably initiate. Requires magnesium or other high intensity heat source making precise timing of large numbers of sequential charges virtually impossible.
2. Completely unsuitable for cutting vertical columns. Burns through carrier and will not remain in place, which requires large number of ganged Mohler type carriers making precise sequential initiation even more impossibly unreliable, not to mention cumbersome, and leaves large amounts of detritus behind in the form of half burned carriers, wiring, etc.
3. Emits extremely bright discharge for entire burn sequence, visible for miles, making use on external columns apparent to anyone who bothered to look up.
4. No way to exactly control burn rate. Thermite itself burns reasonably consistently but the rate is affected by the composition of the material it is burning through, in this case steel beams, which will vary slightly from beam to beam, and even from one section of a beam to the next, depending on microscopic inconsistencies found in all steel. It might not be more than a tenth of a second but, in terms of a CD, that is an eternity.

And you still haven’t explained why anyone would bother to use anything above the ground floor anyway. CD’s use secondary charges to assist the main charge by breaking the structure into more manageable pieces, not to assure collapse, which is inevitable once the lowest support structures are destabilized.

Of course, you could claim that the thermite charges were only used in the basement or whatever, if you could overlook the fact that people were running around in the basement, including firemen and the building engineers, who just might be curious as to what all those cylinders were doing bolted to the support structures, and if you ignore the videos that have apparently convinced you a CD too place in the first place, which clearly show a progressive collapse beginning just under the crash site while the lower floors remain intact until the collapse wave passes through them.

Any comments on these slight inconsistencies?

[Reality Believer]

Any kid could fly the jets into a building. Sorry, you are projecting.
Yep, speaking from experience that is as real as it could get. I had a roommate that was a tech on the MD-11 simulator, at Flight Safety in Long Beach, CA. This was a fully qualified FAA simulator.

He let me drive it for an hour on Christmas eve in 198x since there was no other time booked. I Did a successful takeoff from LAX (autothrottle). Did a half assed successful landing. Did an excellent controlled crash in a Souix City recreation. I have no pilot's license.

Driving a widebody into the broad side of a skyscraper is child's play.

[Jonnyclueless]

What planes?

Nobody flew the planes, because they were video composite planes.

A reminder that you still never responded about those of us who were actually there in person to see the planes. Somehow I imagine you will keep ignoring this issue. As with the people who actually filmed much of that footage on their home video cameras.

[Pardalis]

Mohamed Atta and Marwan Yousef al-Shehhi, if anyone wants to know.

[cisco]

then MAX-MIHOP becomes MAX-LIHOP.

Why?

Any chance of MAX-MIHOP ever becoming MAX-WASWRONG? Seriously. What are the chances of this ever happening? Is it at all conceivable to you?

[pomeroo]

By jingies, I think you’re on to something, Max!

But you forgot to include all the other advantages to thermite:
1. Difficult to reliably initiate. Requires magnesium or other high intensity heat source making precise timing of large numbers of sequential charges virtually impossible.
2. Completely unsuitable for cutting vertical columns. Burns through carrier and will not remain in place, which requires large number of ganged Mohler type carriers making precise sequential initiation even more impossibly unreliable, not to mention cumbersome, and leaves large amounts of detritus behind in the form of half burned carriers, wiring, etc.
3. Emits extremely bright discharge for entire burn sequence, visible for miles, making use on external columns apparent to anyone who bothered to look up.
4. No way to exactly control burn rate. Thermite itself burns reasonably consistently but the rate is affected by the composition of the material it is burning through, in this case steel beams, which will vary slightly from beam to beam, and even from one section of a beam to the next, depending on microscopic inconsistencies found in all steel. It might not be more than a tenth of a second but, in terms of a CD, that is an eternity.

And you still haven’t explained why anyone would bother to use anything above the ground floor anyway. CD’s use secondary charges to assist the main charge by breaking the structure into more manageable pieces, not to assure collapse, which is inevitable once the lowest support structures are destabilized.

Of course, you could claim that the thermite charges were only used in the basement or whatever, if you could overlook the fact that people were running around in the basement, including firemen and the building engineers, who just might be curious as to what all those cylinders were doing bolted to the support structures, and if you ignore the videos that have apparently convinced you a CD too place in the first place, which clearly show a progressive collapse beginning just under the crash site while the lower floors remain intact until the collapse wave passes through them.

Any comments on these slight inconsistencies?



Touchdown!

[pomeroo]

Why?

Any chance of MAX-MIHOP ever becoming MAX-WASWRONG? Seriously. What are the chances of this ever happening? Is it at all conceivable to you?


To be serious for a moment, there is almost no chance. Displaying intellectual integrity is extraordinarily difficult for a twoofer. I would have said that it was impossible, but Ed Haas (The Muckraker Report) did demonstrate that the Osama "confession" video was authentic.

[LoudHoward]

When did thermites learn to fly planes

The CIA got them flying lessons in Australia, then let them back into the US as thermate.

[Lensman]

There would also be a web of thermite fuse around the towers.

With everybody tripping over them?

[Mince]

...a towering figure in your world, I'm sure.


This post smax of czarcasm.

[1337m4n]

Max, more Truthers need to be like you.

I mean, your sense of humor, your "sports buddy"-style of conversation, the lack of words like "shill" and "sheeple"...

You should go to the Loose Change forums and try to convert them all to Maxdom.

[1337m4n]

This post smax of czarcasm.

I see what you did there.
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/33/Futurama_Fry_Looking_Squint.jpg

[Corsair 115]

Nobody flew the planes, because they were video composite planes.Part of me wants to laugh hysterically when I read such a comment because it is just so ludicrously foolish. It reveals such a stunning lack of knowledge or understanding of how things work in the real world as opposed to the world depicted in Hollywood movies and TV shows.

The other part me is left wondering which is worse: the ridiculous nature of the theory itself, or the fact that the person advancing such a theory apparently doesn't realize just how ridiculous it is.

[Jonnyclueless]

Medication comes to mind.

[Chuck Guiteau]

I couldn't figure out how to edit my last post, so I thought I would add this here. It is from another thread but bears directly on the comments I made above:

http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

[mrwronggt13]

You're lying. At least, the 50-100,000 eyewitnesses who watched Flight 175 slam into the South Tower think you're either lying or crazy. Those people watched from their cars as they crossed the Brooklyn and Manhattan Bridges, from the streets below, and from their office and apartment windows. I know three of them very well. There are people who post here regularly who saw the plane.

But. you'll be delighted to hear that one of Morgan Reynolds's most disturbed disciples, Ace Baker, will attempt on 'Hardfire' to con the author of a book of video compositing. Needless to say, Reynolds himself wouldn't dream of peddling his snake oil to anything but an audience of uncritical dunces such as...well, I don't want to get personal.

That's cool. When is that on? Ace Baker is kind of lame, but it might be interesting.

[littlehulkster]

You're on, Max.

Clearly, the only logical conclusion is that it was, in fact, Hulk Hogan.

I even have photographic proof of this giant Masonic ZOG Reptoid conspiracy.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/993/l70290238e896b48d051249gz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

VOTE RON PAUL '08 GOLD STANDARD 4 LIFE!

[Graham2001]

If I break out into a rousing rendition of Abba's Fernando would that liven it up in here?

Actually it might be better if you broke into a rendition of Do You Hear The Pipes Cthulhu (http://www.khaosworks.org/mp3/pipes.mp3):jaw-dropp

[pomeroo]

That's cool. When is that on? Ace Baker is kind of lame, but it might be interesting.


You ask a fascinating question. After hectoring me for more than a year, Ace made me an offer I couldn't refuse: he offered to pay the travel expenses of a video expert he had annoyed with his idiocy. I contacted the guy and learned that he has written a text on video compositing. I showed him one of the classic Ace-Baker threads (he was particularly impressed with Shrinker's knowledge) and announced that he was eager to bury this madness. We set up a taping date of March 18. Ace, however, decided to cancel, as he wanted to hang out with major league players at a spring training camp. We are currently attempting to find a new date.

I have serious reservations about the whole project. Ace is seriously ill. I don't want the show to give the impression of a mean-spirited exploitation of a disturbed person. I think it can be handled delicately. In the meantime, you need to meet more people who saw a commercial airliner crash into the South Tower. You will find that such people are not too patient with ignorant twits who call them liars.

[GlennB]

Ahhh,always loved that piece :) I swear some of the flutes sound like records... ... :confused: I swear the brass seem to be playing off little differences to what I remember it is as well. maybe its me :)

Love Bolero to death.

Once, while driving, I listened to a radio prog about it. Seems that, at times, Ravel had different parts of the orchestra playing in 3 different keys, hence the sometimes cacophonous effect. Also the whole piece has to speed up as it progresses, because the steady build-up in volume tends to make it appear to be slowing down (to the human ear). Orchestras call it "tiddly-tum" or somesuch, because of the persistent snare-drum background.

But no matter how good it is, Dancing Queen has it beat into a cocked hat.

[cisco]

GlennB - where is your avatar from? It looks like a very early Mickey Mouse.

[Papermache]

No, that's Ignatz, from George Herriman's Krazy Kat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krazy_Kat).

[cisco]

Ahh, thanks.

[cisco]

To be serious for a moment, there is almost no chance. Displaying intellectual integrity is extraordinarily difficult for a twoofer.

Thank you, and I'm inclined to agree, but I would really like to hear MAX's answer.

[MIKILLINI]

I do not know.

I know what I was told. But I do not know if what I was told is correct.


Max

Really??? Gee Max, you are so sure it wasn't hijackers and the planes were remote-controlled.
Is that just Paul's magic filter talking??

[GlennB]

No, that's Ignatz, from George Herriman's Krazy Kat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krazy_Kat).

It is indeed Ignatz mouse, beloved of Krazy Kat, who was in turn loved by Offica Pupp. Meanwhile Pupp locked up Ignatz at every opportunity, and when he wasn't locked up Ignatz lobbed bricks at Krazy when he could.

Hope that's all perfectly clear, and I do believe it's a metaphor for modern life. Or something ...

[MIKILLINI]

What planes?

Nobody flew the planes, because they were video composite planes.

:dl::dl::dl:

You couldn't get anymore wrong than that statement, the eyewitnesses had seen something more than a composed video.
There wasn't imaginary passengers on the real plane either.

How do you sanely believe that crap of video composite planes?

[dudalb]

Here's who flew the plane.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1884047a77fbc7498a.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10586)

Snoopy was in on it because he failed to shoot the plane down in time.

[MIKILLINI]

Here's who flew the plane.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1884047a77fbc7498a.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=10586)

Snoopy was in on it because he failed to shoot the plane down in time.

Snoopy has blamed the government for supplying a lower grade of fuel, thereby preventing his Sopwith Camel from operating at peak performance.;)

[jaydeehess]

I could introduce Max to another truth mover on another site named Neal51 who tells me it was incomprehensibly great flying to ram Flt 11 neatly between two floors.

Perhaps Max shoots targets in Texas too.

Giant thermites?

1954, the movie "Them" , no, wait, those were giant ants. Well its kinda close except for one errent consonant.

[jaydeehess]

You couldn't get anymore wrong than that statement, the eyewitnesses had seen something more than a composed video.
There wasn't imaginary passengers on the real plane either.

How do you sanely believe that crap of video composite planes?

Operative word highlighted. does that answer your question mikillini?

[MIKILLINI]

Operative word highlighted. does that answer your question mikillini?

The question is for mr."anti-correct". Operative word was inserted for a response, although I doubt it would be a sane response. It's doubtful I even get a reply to the question.

[beachnut]

Usually what one hate in others, one hates in oneself.

Beachnut, you forget, my model has exactly as much jet fuel and office fuel as your model.

(Hey, we match! :) )

My model has damaged sprinklers - just like your model.

My model has just as much damaged SFRM - or more! - because I also consider the possibility of an aluminum-water explosion. (Why are you leaving out the jet's aluminum as an energy source? Do you know how much aluminum did or didn't burn?)

My model has the exact same collapse mechanisms as yours. (What are the odds?)
Our evidence base is the same.
And we both heart the NIST Report.
Couple all of this with our virtually identical senses of humor, and it's as if we're twins.
Your model is based on fantasy idea of themite; you blame the military for deception, and you throw in the 9/11 truth group run by Jones as being in the deception with NIST as planned by the military deception planners. People like Gregory fail to see you have included them in your delusional scheme of stupid ideas and fantasy bs.

I have no model; I use what happen on 9/11. Aircraft impacts 7 to 11 times greater than the impact KE of the WTC design was for. 10,000 gallons of fuel with the heat energy of 315 tons of TNT more than 14 to 140 times the heat energy of your ignorant thermite idea. You have no idea what steel does in fires and how it weakens.

Sorry, Max, this is what fire does, you have not shown what thermite does! Fires had more 20 times the energy of your 24,000 kgs of thermite. How did they cart that up in the elevators?
http://www.beachymon.com/photo/woodsteelfire.jpg Oops, wood holding up steel that has weakened in a fire. I watched a video of thermite, and the railroad rails were like a heat sink and the thermite made more track! So on 9/11 your thermite would go off, maybe, and form more steel! Oops; failure, you forgot to get enough heat to not only melt the local steel but overcome the heat sink of steel around it; albeit steel is a crummy heat sink, but as seen welding tracks, good enough to do repair work.

Max, most aircraft crashes have the aluminum melting, not burning. Sorry you have failed to come up with anything approaching sanity on 9/11. You act like and post like a cartoon character who ideas are based on fantasy.

Summary, you proposed in your fantasy thermite model heat 14 to 140 times less than just the jet fuel; you have no reliable source to ignite or place thermite; you have not even stated what kind of themite you are using and why. You have not told anyone how long the thermite can be in place and remain reliable. You have not done any real work, just fantasy ideas with no facts to back up much of anything. I have no model, I only have what is real and happen on 9/11. The events on 9/11 are not understood by you and there is no evidence you understand anything about 9/11.

You and Jones are the best debunking I can find for 9/11 truth. And you blame Jones' group as being part of the MILDEC. Pathetic to see people with crazy ideas fail to come up with rational ideas on a subject serous to most and to you a "joke", as you say on your web site. 3000 dead and you call it a joke; kind of sick.

Max your model comes up short on energy to weaken steel. Where as on 9/11 there was more than 20 to 200 times more energy than you have to weaken steel. Your fantasy is a fraud on many levels; unlike what happen on 9/11; just who did fly the planes Max? No one hates you Max, I just find your ideas pathetic and disrespectful to others. Who flew the planes?

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I'm not going to go back and strip out the irrelevant posts in this thread at this late date. However, I'd like to see it stay on topic from now, or it may be drastically reduced after all, or all moved together to community due to the randomness of the topics.