Examination for traces of explosives in the WTC rubble?

[Drakar2007]

I'm in one of these stupid "youtube user comment" debates, but one guy is rather incessant and has made a rather strong claim that "There never was testing conducted for explosives on any of the wreckage or debris."

Now, I know this to be patently untrue, but I'm having a rather severe brainfart and cannot come up with any sources proving otherwise. Wondering if anyone could give me an assist here?

Thanks
~Mike

[beachnut]

I'm in one of these stupid "youtube user comment" debates, but one guy is rather incessant and has made a rather strong claim that "There never was testing conducted for explosives on any of the wreckage or debris."

Now, I know this to be patently untrue, but I'm having a rather severe brainfart and cannot come up with any sources proving otherwise. Wondering if anyone could give me an assist here?

Thanks
~Mike
I bet you can't find where they tested to see if flying elephants brought down the WTC.

The people who want explosives to be in the WTC are missing the noise and as you have found there is no evidence of explosives in the WTC; otherwise the firemen and police helping to find their fallen brothers would have found wires, detonators, blast effects on the steel, etc, etc… No, the 9/11 truth movement makes up doubt to sell DVDs and fool people like me, but I look things up.

The guys you need to answer you question is 9/11 truth. And you need to ask them where the evidence is for explosives. There is zero.

Welcome. Some threads have discussed your question more thoroughly, not sure exactly where.

[apathoid]

I'm in one of these stupid "youtube user comment" debates, but one guy is rather incessant and has made a rather strong claim that "There never was testing conducted for explosives on any of the wreckage or debris."

Now, I know this to be patently untrue, but I'm having a rather severe brainfart and cannot come up with any sources proving otherwise. Wondering if anyone could give me an assist here?

Thanks
~Mike



12. Did the NIST investigation look for evidence of the WTC towers being brought down by controlled demolition? Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? The combination of thermite and sulfur (called thermate) "slices through steel like a hot knife through butter."


NIST did not test for the residue of these compounds in the steel.
The responses to questions number 2, 4, 5 and 11 demonstrate why NIST concluded that there were no explosives or controlled demolition involved in the collapses of the WTC towers.
Furthermore, a very large quantity of thermite (a mixture of powdered or granular aluminum metal and powdered iron oxide that burns at extremely high temperatures when ignited) or another incendiary compound would have had to be placed on at least the number of columns damaged by the aircraft impact and weakened by the subsequent fires to bring down a tower. Thermite burns slowly relative to explosive materials and can require several minutes in contact with a massive steel section to heat it to a temperature that would result in substantial weakening. Separate from the WTC towers investigation, NIST researchers estimated that at least 0.13 pounds of thermite would be required to heat each pound of a steel section to approximately 700 degrees Celsius (the temperature at which steel weakens substantially). Therefore, while a thermite reaction can cut through large steel columns, many thousands of pounds of thermite would need to have been placed inconspicuously ahead of time, remotely ignited, and somehow held in direct contact with the surface of hundreds of massive structural components to weaken the building. This makes it an unlikely substance for achieving a controlled demolition.
Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC towers, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard that was prevalent in the interior partitions.



NIST FAQ. (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)

ETA: Oops, where are my manners? Welcome to the forum Drakar2007!

[ElMondoHummus]

Yes, welcome!

Apathoid is right. NIST never tested. Now, either Gravy or Pomeroo here (forget which one of you guys it was) reports that an FBI agent told him they did and found nothing, but unfortunately, there's no statement on video, so you'll never convince a truther of that.

But the NIST FAQ gives a good explanation why they didn't need to. Truthers asking for explosives tests in the absence of reason is like someone asking for proof of a heart attack when the victim's got a bullet wound right in the forehead.

[Apollo20]

Drakar2007:

I am not sure if any testing for explosives or pyrotechnics was done at Ground Zero in the aftermath of 9/11, but what would you look for in a million tonnes of rubble?

Besides, there were tactical weapons, guns and ammo stored in WTC 6 and WTC 7.

Leachates of WTC dust showed the presence of nitrate and nitrite ions, which proves nothing....

The US EPA detected NOx, NH3 and hundreds of volatile organics such as benzene, toluene, styrene, chlorobenzene, etc, etc, in the air over Ground Zero which again proves nothing.

Thermite residues would be mixed in with naturally occurring iron, iron oxide, aluminum and aluminum oxide, so again, what could you conclude from the detection of any of these species?

But then again, there's always the microspheres.

[~enigma~]

The US EPA detected NOx,
Well I also heard they detected high concentrations of protein and amino acids along with a fairly large amount of CPK...that convinces me. 9/11 was done by a bunch of bodybuilders hyped up on steroids :)

ETA: 9/11 is now solved. The NWO is being disbanded. Please collect your severance checks at the door. The exit line forms to the right. Once again, thank you for your time and effort :)

[Apollo20]

Enigma:

Body builders hyped on steroids?

So your theory is that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone planted the thermite?

Interesting.....

[~enigma~]

Enigma:

Body builders hyped on steroids?

So your theory is that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone planted the thermite?

Interesting.....
Quasi Rambo-Terminator joint project. Linda Hamilton might have been involved. Ronnie Coleman was definitely there.

[Unsecured Coins]

Enigma:

Body builders hyped on steroids?

So your theory is that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone planted the thermite?

Interesting.....


Lou Ferrigno helped

[~enigma~]

Lou Ferrigno helped
Chuck Norris was the muscle :)

[ElMondoHummus]

Enigma:

Body builders hyped on steroids?

So your theory is that Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone planted the thermite?

Interesting.....


Well, now, before we dismiss this, let's see what issues it addresses. We're always complaining that no one working in the towers noticed anything out of the ordinary prior to 9/11, and because Schwarzenegger and Stallone are actors, they can act like normal office workers, fool others, and thus escape notice...

And the movies have established that Stallone and Schwarzenegger are strong enough to push interior supports apart through sheer strength...

Yes, of course I'm being facetious. My point in the satire here is that I've seen similar logic employed by conspiracy fantasists (no, I'm not knocking Dr. Greening here! His post was obviously humorous in intent. I'm aiming elsewhere). And I've seen such terrible syllogisms taken as proof rather than the faulty inductive constructions they are (granted, we've committed the same here at times, but I'd like to think that most of those cases are not the fundamental bases behind our opinions, but rather committed in the heat of debate). Anyway... ignoring the ridiculous notion of Schwarzenegger or Stallone actually fooling others with their acting, I think my point is made.

Ps. Say everyone, if Stallone and/or Arnold planted thermite, and if their ingested steroids are all over the wreckage, who's in office in California, and who's starred in those last Rocky and Rambo chapters? I think we just stumbled over a real conspiracy here. Body doubles, anyone?? ;)

[kookbreaker]

I'm in one of these stupid "youtube user comment" debates, but one guy is rather incessant and has made a rather strong claim that "There never was testing conducted for explosives on any of the wreckage or debris."

Now, I know this to be patently untrue, but I'm having a rather severe brainfart and cannot come up with any sources proving otherwise. Wondering if anyone could give me an assist here?

Thanks
~Mike


HI Mike,

Here is a picture:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/kookbreaker/CopperDepositweb.jpg

See the purplish cut? That is what cut looks like on an ibeam when it is made via explosives. If your youtube morons find a cut anywhere at ground zero that looks like that then complaining about testing for explosives might have a foothold. Of course, the little twits still have to explain why there were no sound, blasts, and other visible and audible factors present that are expected when explosives are used to destroy a building.

[LashL]

Lou Ferrigno helped

Oh, now that dredges up a fun memory. I met Lou Ferrigno once many years ago. I had never fully appreciated how huge and hard he really was until I was standing right next to him, squeezing his... bicep. I couldn't even come close to getting both my hands around one of his arms. Man, was he massive!
[/OT]

Welcome to the forum, Drakar.

[Drakar2007]

Thanks for the numerous replies, everyone. I feel a bit silly, since I thought I remembered seeing reports of particle analysis from ground zero which showed no trace of explosive residues, etc. I just figured it had been done by someone other than NIST.

It's a little troubling that all a twoofer needs to say in a thread is "NIST didn't test for..." then provide a cherrypicked quote from the NIST faq to back himself up, without considering why that may have been the case. My father's always said that when people are so blind to reality it's best, sometimes, to leave them to their delusions, but unfortunately I'm a bit too stubborn to do so usually. Thanks for the feedback, though.

About me - I've been around a bit, even though I only just now joined JREF. I've been posting for quite a while now as an occasional commentor on threads at the SLC blog, and I suppose it wouldn't hurt to finally reveal, i'm actually the one who created and runs the SLC-Myspace page. Hopefully twoofers won't track me through here to my personal myspace (i haven't linked it, though if anyone were really curious they could ask) - thus the reason for being obscure about it in the first place.

[apathoid]

You aren't "averydylan" from a while back are you? If so, I LOLed.....

[Drakar2007]

Nope, this is the first time i've created an account here. That guy was cool though - i'm afraid i'm probably not witty enough to do what he did, though :-P

[HawksFan]

Chuck Norris was the muscle :)

Ah, so WTC 7 was brought down by a round-house kick to the base.