Gravy Unmercifully Heckled at TAM 5.5 [Archive]

Horatius

4th February 2008, 07:55 AM

Well, I'm real, but they didn't get a good shot of me in the video. I was the first and last guy in the first video.

And "rehearsed" is probably too strong a word for it.

ETA: Another discussion is here:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3382065#post3382065

Horatius

4th February 2008, 08:06 AM

Gravy needs to buy some new dress shirts;)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rig2VkiDQCM

And in the comments, they're still promoting the "Gravy is CIA" and "Gravy is a Freemason" lines that we were making fun of!

The Doc

4th February 2008, 08:34 AM

That was brilliant! :D

T.A.M.

4th February 2008, 09:06 AM

awesome...maybe one day, when and if I decide to reveal my true ID, I will attend such a meeting...looks like a blast.

TAM:)

BenBurch

4th February 2008, 09:09 AM

awesome...maybe one day, when and if I decide to reveal my true ID, I will attend such a meeting...looks like a blast.

TAM:)

Just don't reveal it to the truthers; They *will* stalk you.

T.A.M.

4th February 2008, 09:11 AM

Just don't reveal it to the truthers; They *will* stalk you.

no kidding!

You have my condolences and my admiration for your dealings with them.

TAM:)

Garrette

4th February 2008, 09:11 AM

Wowbagger comedy gold :D
qMD4QSkMgywWowbagger is Woody Allen? Who knew...

Horatius

4th February 2008, 10:33 AM

awesome...maybe one day, when and if I decide to reveal my true ID, I will attend such a meeting...looks like a blast.

TAM:)

Lots of non-forum people attend TAM. Even with this one being a mini-TAM, it was only about 1/3 forum members. So please, do attend, and don't feel like you have to out yourself as T.A.M. at TAM*.

*You did know someone was going to make that joke, right?

Wowbagger

4th February 2008, 10:38 AM

Gravy

4th February 2008, 10:51 AM

And in the comments, they're still promoting the "Gravy is CIA" and "Gravy is a Freemason" lines that we were making fun of!That's hilarious. Once again a truther (Sizzler) makes our point for us.

For those who haven't seen them, here are some photos of the event. (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/tam5.5photos)

The deal with the heckling is, yes, it was all scripted (actual truther quotes), but none of it was rehearsed, which, uh, shows. It was supposed to be bang-bang, one after another. When I said, "Somebody didn't get their coffee" I should have been talking about myself, because that was entirely my fault. I had forgotten to assign the last lines in the first segment. (Four hours of sleep spread over two nights didn't help). Horatius saved the day by jumping up and taking those lines. The suggestion to use Wowbagger for the end of the presentation was Grayman's: brilliant.

The TAM 5.5 presentations will be available on DVD at some point.

Gravy

4th February 2008, 10:56 AM

I already started a thread for these videos:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104931

I wonder if these threads should be merged? Well, maybe not if the discussion is different enough. We'll see.I think most of the folks who post here aren't going to check the TAM threads, so maybe best to leave this here.

Wowbagger

4th February 2008, 11:00 AM

Comedic gold! There any chance of this whole meeting being filmed? Yes, but not by me.

There was a professional video crew recording the whole thing (you can even see their camera, in the back, in my own videos). I am sure an official DVD set of the event will be released by JREF, eventually.

So... where those real hecklers (video 1) or were they just taking the piss? They were folks chosen to act like hecklers, to give the presentation a flavor of the lunacy Mark Roberts has to deal with.

And for video two... was that rehearsed? "Rehearsed" would be an exaggeration. It was planned and scripted (mostly). But, barely rehearsed.

Wowbagger is Woody Allen? Who knew... There is one key difference between us:

"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work. I want to achieve it through not dying." - Woody Allen

Wowbagger

4th February 2008, 11:09 AM

I think most of the folks who post here aren't going to check the TAM threads, so maybe best to leave this here.
Yeah, good point.

Gravy

4th February 2008, 11:24 AM

Lots of non-forum people attend TAM. Even with this one being a mini-TAM, it was only about 1/3 forum members. So please, do attend, and don't feel like you have to out yourself as T.A.M. at TAM*. Seconded. There's no reason anyone would have to know that you're "T.A.M." except people you want to know.

HeyLeroy

4th February 2008, 10:32 PM

Good thing no Fatwas showed up. They're highly trained, y'know!

Unsecured Coins

4th February 2008, 10:57 PM

I wonder who would win in a fight between a fatwa and a fawzi

Wildy

4th February 2008, 10:59 PM

Where can I see this discussion that says that Gravy isn't a person?

Gravy

4th February 2008, 11:44 PM

Where can I see this discussion that says that Gravy isn't a person?
It was just one person's musings that weren't supported by others, except when he emailed me to find out if I was a person, and I responded with what appeared to be a glitchy automated reply, including all sorts of strange authentication codes and abbreviations, that were intended to look as though they'd been sent through a variety of intelligence service networks and satellites. He then replied on Wikipedia that he brought this transmission to the computer people at work and they couldn't make head or tails of it. Just a little thing, but that was back in the days when debunking was fun.

T.A.M.

5th February 2008, 05:13 AM

lol...maybe I will go there, and tell people I am TAM. The only people who will know my real name will be the TAM admins...lol

TAM:)

tsig

5th February 2008, 05:54 AM

lol...maybe I will go there, and tell people I am TAM. The only people who will know my real name will be the TAM admins...lol

TAM:)

Maybe I am TAM.

chillzero

5th February 2008, 06:16 AM

Comedic gold! There any chance of this whole meeting being filmed?

The TAM 5.5 presentations will be available on DVD at some point.

I've been reliably informed that there will be no DVDs this year - this one is going up on ... wait for it .... YouTube.

That way we can all be assured it was all true. ;)

I'm sure the links will be posted as soon as it's all up.

I think most of the folks who post here aren't going to check the TAM threads, so maybe best to leave this here.

I'm happy to leave this here as it's specific to Mark's excellent presentation on CTs.

Dave Rogers

5th February 2008, 06:22 AM

Maybe I am TAM.

No, I am TAMacus!

Dave

Wowbagger

5th February 2008, 07:03 AM

I've been reliably informed that there will be no DVDs this year - this one is going up on ... wait for it .... YouTube.
But, YouTube quality sucks!

There should be an option for those who want to buy a DVD set, to buy a DVD set.

chillzero

5th February 2008, 07:22 AM

But, YouTube quality sucks!

There should be an option for those who want to buy a DVD set, to buy a DVD set.

Well, wait until they make any formal announcement. If there's only YouTube, I'm sure we can email them and ask for DVDs.

Par

5th February 2008, 07:23 AM

It was just one person's musings that weren't supported by others, except when he emailed me to find out if I was a person, and I responded with what appeared to be a glitchy automated reply, including all sorts of strange authentication codes and abbreviations, that were intended to look as though they'd been sent through a variety of intelligence service networks and satellites. He then replied on Wikipedia that he brought this transmission to the computer people at work and they couldn't make head or tails of it. Just a little thing, but that was back in the days when debunking was fun.

That sounds fairly special. Does it still exist? If so, can you link to it?

60hzxtl

5th February 2008, 12:28 PM

Gravy is my hero

Gravy

5th February 2008, 12:37 PM

I've been reliably informed that there will be no DVDs this year - this one is going up on ... wait for it .... YouTube. :( Tiny TAM doesn't even rate DVD treatment, but is relegated to crapola-quality YouTube? Well, I hope at least YouTube comments will be allowed. "Comedy gold, Jerry!"

Wowbagger

5th February 2008, 12:47 PM

:( Tiny TAM doesn't even rate DVD treatment, but is relegated to crapola-quality YouTube? Well, I hope at least YouTube comments will be allowed. "Comedy gold, Jerry!" You know, the first TAM only had about 100 attendees, and they released that on DVD, for a while. (Though, it no longer seems to be available.)

Why would this even better TAM 5.5 be unworthy of DVD treatment?!

chillzero

5th February 2008, 01:31 PM

I didn't say it was unworthy, and I think the idea was to make it accessible.

I added the 'drama' round YouTube, because it struck me as ironic... given the popularity of YouTube amongst the masses. :D

LastChild

5th February 2008, 05:18 PM

Wow. Why wasn't I invited to this meeting of the pretend critical thinkers? How much was it to attend? I could have of unloaded all my swamp land in one swoop.

Redtail

5th February 2008, 05:33 PM

Wow. Why wasn't I invited to this meeting of the pretend critical thinkers? How much was it to attend? I could have of unloaded all my swamp land in one swoop.

If you went outside of this sub-forum you could have found out for yourself. Oh, hoe's that mass protest to demand the truth comin?

LastChild

5th February 2008, 05:40 PM

If you went outside of this sub-forum you could have found out for yourself. Oh, hoe's that mass protest to demand the truth comin?

I thought there was an on going demand for the truth about 9/11. I mean what the hell is all this pretend debunking about?

I really do wish I was there and could have got some autographs. Revenge of the Nerds is one of my all time favorites.

Redtail

5th February 2008, 05:48 PM

I thought there was an on going demand for the truth about 9/11. I mean what the hell is all this pretend debunking about?

It's about a pretend conspiracy.

I really do wish I was there and could have got some autographs. Revenge of the Nerds is one of my all time favorites.

Plus you could have debated you arguments face to face with the OCTers!

dudalb

5th February 2008, 05:59 PM

I thought there was an on going demand for the truth about 9/11. I mean what the hell is all this pretend debunking about?

I really do wish I was there and could have got some autographs. Revenge of the Nerds is one of my all time favorites.

If you had gone to TAM and defend you theories with the same skill you have shown on this forum the TAM attendees would have eaten you for lunch.

VespaGuy

5th February 2008, 06:02 PM

I could have of unloaded all my swamp land in one swoop.

Still trying to unload that swampland that you bought, huh? Doesn't look like you'll find any takers here, LastChild. Try the LC forums. They believe just about anything.

LastChild

5th February 2008, 06:04 PM

If you had gone to TAM and defend you theories with the same skill you have shown on this forum the TAM attendees would have eaten you for lunch.

Debate what? Pretending to prove one theory wrong with opinion and bare assertions doesn't prove another theory correct?

See?

I didn't need to go anywhere.

Besides they wouldn't have needed to "eat me for lunch". I'm sure all their mommies packed their Star Wars lunch boxes for them.

VespaGuy

5th February 2008, 06:12 PM

Besides they wouldn't have needed to "eat me for lunch". I'm sure all their mommies packed their Star Wars lunch boxes for them.

How old is LastChild?

dudalb

5th February 2008, 06:17 PM

How old is LastChild?

Not old enough to vote,IMHO.

Horatius

5th February 2008, 06:20 PM

Now now, fellows. I'm sure Last Child would have shown the same resolve and commitment that Chris Cordero displayed. (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3373320#post3373320)

Jonnyclueless

5th February 2008, 06:22 PM

How old is LastChild?

It's a school night.

Horatius

5th February 2008, 06:23 PM

Oh, and Last Child? You still have a chance to put up or shut up (http://www.randi.org/joom/component/option,com_registrationpro/Itemid,33/func,details/did,1/).

Gravy

5th February 2008, 06:27 PM

So, in a thread about stupid truther hecklers, LastChild has chosen to heckle.

This is all a bit surreal. It would be nice if it stopped.

OldTigerCub

5th February 2008, 06:48 PM

So, in a thread about stupid truther hecklers, LastChild has chosen to heckle.

This is all a bit surreal. It would be nice if it stopped.

Isn't it about time to hear "don't tase me bro!" from the heckler!:p
Those videos were great! I laughed my butt off! Just wish I had seen it first-hand!

beachnut

5th February 2008, 07:40 PM

Debate what? Pretending to prove one theory wrong with opinion and bare assertions doesn't prove another theory correct?

See?

I didn't need to go anywhere.

Besides they wouldn't have needed to "eat me for lunch". I'm sure all their mommies packed their Star Wars lunch boxes for them.
Your are the one with theories, 9/11 was an event based in reality, your opinions and bare assertions based on fantasy are all we get from you, plus outright wrong statements of hearsay. When can you back your ideas with some facts and evidence? You are over 10 times off on some of your statements. 10 times is a lot; an order of magnitude wrong; without sources. (why are your sources so wrong?)

Horatius

5th February 2008, 08:37 PM

Isn't it about time to hear "don't tase me bro!" from the heckler!:p
Those videos were great! I laughed my butt off! Just wish I had seen it first-hand!

We could do a re-enactment at TAM 6. I mean, Michael Shermer is going to be there and all.....

But perhaps I'm too evil :)

Orphia Nay

6th February 2008, 12:46 AM

Loved the videos! Youtube does have some redeeming qualities.

So, in a thread about stupid truther hecklers, LastChild has chosen to heckle.

This is all a bit surreal. It would be nice if it stopped.

:hug5 I guess irony isn't much consolation, even if it's pretty funny, in an odd sort of way.

proxywar

6th February 2008, 03:03 AM

When I said, "Somebody didn't get their coffee" I should have been talking about myself.

Gravy = Dee Snider lol

Looking forward to the DVD.
Funny pictures, lots of drunken fun was ensued.

Par

6th February 2008, 04:17 AM

I'm sure all their mommies packed their Star Wars lunch boxes for them.

That would have been awesome! Now I really regret not having gone.

Damien Evans

6th February 2008, 04:43 AM

Ok, that's it, I'm definitely coming to TAM 7 provided I can afford it and TAM is still around then

chillzero

6th February 2008, 05:18 AM

Just wish I had seen it first-hand!

It was hysterically funny - once I had recovered from my initial brief shock that we seemed to have been infiltrated. :D

I didn't mind a CTist soming to offer their opinion on the matter, but heckling is rude. Additionally I was very concerned that it may have been one of the few who had previously issued serious threats against Gravy, and was very relieved to see that it wasn't.

Horatius

6th February 2008, 06:41 AM

Success!

I knew hiding in the back for the first line would pay off!

chillzero

6th February 2008, 06:46 AM

Success!

I knew hiding in the back for the first line would pay off!

Yes - even more effective because my view was blocked by others who stood up to see who was shouting. I didn't see you at all.

It was by the second or third heckler that I was able to realise it was all ok.

Terral

6th February 2008, 10:13 AM

Hi Reality Believer:

Gravy Unmercifully Heckled at TAM 5.5

The guy defends Loyal Bushie Official Cover Story LIES (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/) in my book. Rebuttal arguments to his work are found in Post #5 here (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=30365&t=76819) on the Loose Change ‘Skeptics’ Forum (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/forum/45306/). Yes. Gravy has been PM’ed and No he does not wish to debate anything. He is obviously having too much fun being heckled by others. :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)

GL,

Terral

Reality Believer

6th February 2008, 11:05 AM

Hi Reality Believer:

The guy defends Loyal Bushie Official Cover Story LIES (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/) in my book. Rebuttal arguments to his work are found in Post #5 here (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=30365&t=76819) on the Loose Change ‘Skeptics’ Forum (http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/forum/45306/). Yes. Gravy has been PM’ed and No he does not wish to debate anything. He is obviously having too much fun being heckled by others. :0) (http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=Cfm9I6uLemU)
GL,
Terral
Hi Terral.
I will thank you to not to soil this thread by flinging your mud here.