A new low? Killtown?

[Anti-sophist]

No idea if this has been posted before... I've never seen this video before...
It's a no-plane video about all the "anomalies" in the WTC plane footage... apparently made by Killtown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHTlJee-xRY

Right around 4:35 it gets to all new low, in my view. Same type of stuff continues around 6:50. I couldn't watch much more.

Some of the comments are really nice, too...

that woman that says, "oh my god, jesus ****ing christ"...I want to punch the **** out of her...

----

There's the attitude.
I want to find her, indict her, try her, convict her and execute her.

I guess justice is really important to me!

[Redtail]

Well you lasted longer than I did. When some one is so stupid that they think someone asking "What is this other plane doing?" is setting up the scene I count it as insta-fail.

[JAStewart]

Outrageous. Truly hideous.

[fuelair]

You could punch the x out of Killclown and his slime laden friends. Should leave you with nothing. Which they already are - but still. He would not be missed.

[The Silver Shadow]

That video was uploaded a long time ago by Killtown. Nobody paid attention to him, and I still don't think that anyone should still pay attention to him. He only lives by having attention laden on him...

[beachnut]

short review - nuts
long review - pure ignorance, how can he be so dumb?

[ElMondoHummus]

"A new low" and "Killtown"... funny how often those terms go together.

[mrbaracuda]

What a retard.

[leftysergeant]

OY! Is there Windex enough in the world to wipe this stupid off my monitor screen?

Let's break it down.

1:00:
KT says:"Don't make it so obvious that a plane is about to enter the screen.." because a male voice asks "What's this other jet doing?"

Guess the moron didn't think that the peole in the room copuld see more of the sky than the camera could.

1:13:
KT:"And especially don't say 'other' jet like you already knew what hit the first tower."

There are ways that the people in the video could have known what hit the first tower. In the helicopter news footage, I recall the talking head describing what a witness in Hoboken had seen even as they showed the next plane in-bound. Stupid question.

1:25:

"Don't aim your camera on the non-burning tower as if you knew something is about to happen."

It looked to me as though the shot was artisticly balanced. A rather simple concept to anyone who has ever taken an art or photography course in HIGH SCHOOL. Maybe KT is a high school drop out.

1:34:
"Use an image of a real plane, not a black shadow in the shape of one."

The camera aperture had adjusted to ambient light images of a mostly whiote city scape. The palne, being darker, would appear even more so in contrast.

1:38
"Don't make it skip across the sky."

The smoke seems to be coming out in pulses. It appears that the speed pf the video is being manipulated, most likely by KT.

1:50:
"Don't mess with the explosion that it makes an unnatural shape."

He then points out what appear to be straight edges, but they are not, really.

2:04:
KT points out the demon faces, but it is really a stretch to see them, and they were recorded by other shots.

2:28:
"Don't do things so obvious to make viewers think your videos are real..like waving your arm in front of the camera."

Natural reactions are a sign that it is fake?

2:43:
"Or having someone walk in front of it..Because no one filming outside puts their camera so far back from the windowthatsomeone can walk in front of it. (and it also messes up the blue screen.)"

There are a lot of reasons that that might have been the only place they could have set the camera. As for the blue screen, the weather reporter on TV stands right in front of a blue screen without interfering with it. The scene washes out because the aperture tries to adh=just for the closest object to the camera. DUH!

4:06:
"Don't release your videos ntil you have fixed all your CGI mistakes."

Shows video of impact with artifacts around the plane and the edge of the building. I will let others who know more about video than I address this.

4:22:
"(Watch finger-like protruding object.)"

Shows fuel or dust driven out down-range side, claims it is not expanding. It looked to me as thoiugh it does. Shadows show it to be wider than deep. Looks like it all came out several windows on only one floor.

4:35:
"Don't have your actors over-(re)act...Have your actors sound more natural."

They sounded natural to me. Shocked to realize this was intentional.

5:36:
"Don't put out multiple shots from the same location."

Paralax shows that the Tina Cart, Staehle and Clark shots were from different locations. Subtle shifts in locations on the x and y axes. Went over dummy's head.

6:54:
"Use ALL the actors heard in your plane crash vidseos, not just the main lady screaming."

Like everyone is obligated to watch the same morbid scene?

"But if you are going to use just her..be sure to have her sound MORE hysterical when a huge skyscraper collapses than when a plane crashes...And please, make her sound more believeable."

Sounded believeable to me. After a while, you begin to expect the worst. The greatest shock had to have been the realization that it was a murder, rather than an accident she was watching.

KT then goes on to blather aboput the timing of the sound, but i still hear jet engines after what he says is the bang of impact. Sounded more like an ambient thump in the room.

Then he shows other videos with witnesses reacting differently. So? I would react differently than anyone reading these words now. At a fire scene, when most of you are screaming and trying to evacuate, I would be heading in to see who needs help. I'm that wack. I am a veteran fire fighter. Who knows how anyone will act in a brown-undies scenario? I recall an accident and fire in which a twelve-year-old girl helped me care for a man with 75% third-degree burns while a Green Beret Sergeant just watched. Go figure.

8:46:
"When even the newscaster doesn't believe it's real."

He shows talking heads desrcibing it as "unreal."

Trouble is, i think they were referring to the events of the day, rather than the video.

Killtown, king of the dirtbags.

[leftysergeant]

Where did that flag come from? Am I being watched? It's a conspiracy, isn't it? Yike!:eye-poppi

[Spins]

Where did that flag come from? Am I being watched? It's a conspiracy, isn't it? Yike!:eye-poppi
Scroll down to the "Additional Options" (when you are composing or editing a post) and check the box labeled "Disable smilies in text"; I've had the same problem before.

[Spins]

Killtown is completely nuts. If anyone in the "Truth Movement" needs to seek help it's him.

[chillzero]

Then he shows other videos with witnesses reacting differently. So? I would react differently than anyone reading these words now. At a fire scene, when most of you are screaming and trying to evacuate, I would be heading in to see who needs help. I'm that wack. I am a veteran fire fighter. Who knows how anyone will act in a brown-undies scenario? I recall an accident and fire in which a twelve-year-old girl helped me care for a man with 75% third-degree burns while a Green Beret Sergeant just watched. Go figure.


Exactly. In a fire in our block, my 12 year old daughter closed her bedroom door, and got down on the floor to wait for the fire brigade. The guy upstairs in his forties ran about all over his flat, flinging open doors and windows, and thereby feeding the fire, and extending the damage done. He was lucky the brigade got to him quickly.

People rarely react the same in even mundane situations, let alone in extreme panic.

[leftysergeant]

The majority of fatalities in residential fires are from smoke inhalation, either in bed, or in a closet on the opposite side of the room from the exit door. This is one good reason that door knobs are rarely used on closets any more in American construction, or levers in European.

In theaters, most victims are trampled near exits.

Running and screaming are bad ideas, but, sadly, natural.

[twinstead]

Thankfully, even most truthers think Killtown's theories are ludicrous and toxic. When the woo woos call you crazy, it's time to re-evaluate...

[tsig]

The majority of fatalities in residential fires are from smoke inhalation, either in bed, or in a closet on the opposite side of the room from the exit door. This is one good reason that door knobs are rarely used on closets any more in American construction, or levers in European.

In theaters, most victims are trampled near exits.

Running and screaming are bad ideas, but, sadly, natural.

When in trouble

When in doubt

Run in circles

Scream and shout.

[Pardalis]

Killclown is pure filth, please don't give him the attention he seeks.

[Dr Adequate]

OY! Is there Windex enough in the world to wipe this stupid off my monitor screen?

Let's break it down. Short version:

EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS SUSPICIOUS!!!

[twinstead]

Short version:

EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IS SUSPICIOUS!!!

Even things that don't happen are suspicious; if something doesn't happen, how do we know it wasn't supposed to have happened? To me that's mighty suspicious...

[Foolmewunz]

"A new low" and "Killtown"... funny how often those terms go together.


You wanna know my first thoughts when I saw the thread title? "Now what twoofer newbie bumped this old thread?"

I'm pretty sure we've had a number of posts with that theme and likely a couple of threads.

[mortimer]

Whatever. Killtown is a patriot. Just ask RedIbis.

[twinstead]

Whatever. Killtown is a patriot. Just ask RedIbis.

Oh, I think RedIbis deep down knows that Killtown's theories are those of a raving lunatic.

[defaultdotxbe]

Oh, I think RedIbis deep down knows that Killtown's theories are those of a raving lunatic.

(on willie nelson)
I think he's a patriot because he speaks his mind, knowing full well that his perspective will be met with hostility.

the same can certainly be applied to killtown

[leftysergeant]

(on willie nelson)


the same can certainly be applied to killtown

Not a bit of it. Willie does not pull stuff out the wrong end of his alimentary tract to support his position. He just misinterprets a lot of stuff. It is largely driven, in Willie's case, by disgust with one of the least illustrious citizens of his home state.

Willie also differs from killtown in that Willie is mostly motivated by humanitarian concerns.

Little evidence even exists that Killtown is really human.

He's a reptilian. His inability to understand human psychology proves it.

[The Silver Shadow]

Not a bit of it. Willie does not pull stuff out the wrong end of his alimentary tract to support his position. He just misinterprets a lot of stuff. It is largely driven, in Willie's case, by disgust with one of the least illustrious citizens of his home state.

Willie also differs from killtown in that Willie is mostly motivated by humanitarian concerns.

Little evidence even exists that Killtown is really human.

He's a reptilian. His inability to understand human psychology proves it.
And there has me thinking that Killtown is actually a disinfo computer program put in by our evil overlords at 1 World Domination Plaza, the NWO. If only I decided on doing computer sciences instead of biology, I would've had a very cushy job with the NWO...

Oh well, back to the mind control lab and hopefully the NWO will come a-knocking for my services!

[twinstead]

All I know is I have some respect for people who speak their mind and believe in a cause strongly, especially if it will meet with hostility. I put some some deeply religious people and political activists I've known in my life into that category, to be honest.

But, if like Killtown what they speak meets with hostility because it is a bunch of toxic, paranoid, disgusting excrement, then I have to draw the line.

[jaydeehess]

Straight lines, pulses and lowered contrast. Is the video a highly compressed version of a news feed?

[defaultdotxbe]

Not a bit of it. Willie does not pull stuff out the wrong end of his alimentary tract to support his position. He just misinterprets a lot of stuff. It is largely driven, in Willie's case, by disgust with one of the least illustrious citizens of his home state.

Willie also differs from killtown in that Willie is mostly motivated by humanitarian concerns.

Little evidence even exists that Killtown is really human.

He's a reptilian. His inability to understand human psychology proves it.
does killtown speak his mind?

does he do it despite his position being met with hostility?

if you answered yes to any of those questions you might be a patriot



simply going by red very broad definition of patriot it can be applied to lots of people, killtown included

debunkers posting at LFC4.0 are also patriots apparently, lol

[leftysergeant]

Straight lines, pulses and lowered contrast. Is the video a highly compressed version of a news feed?

The Tina Cart video is rather crisp and clear. The news feed that Killtown shows to complain about the color shifts are self-explanatory. They have been up-and-down loaded too often and quality has begun to suffer.

[leftysergeant]

does killtown speak his mind?

does he do it despite his position being met with hostility?

if you answered yes to any of those questions you might be a patriot.

Using "mind" in the same context with "Killtown " seems sort of oxymoronic.

Killtown knows his remarks will be met with hostility, and it does not bother him. This, as I understand the concept, means that he is a sociopath. Sociopaths are not patriots in a free society. THey have a natural niche in despotic governments.

Killtown comforts no one, attacks many, and dismisses all who defend his victims as "shills" for the government and enemies of the people

[DavidJames]

All I know is I have some respect for people who speak their mind and believe in a cause strongly, especially if it will meet with hostility. I put some some deeply religious people and political activists I've known in my life into that category, to be honest.

But, if like Killtown what they speak meets with hostility because it is a bunch of toxic, paranoid, disgusting excrement, then I have to draw the line.I agree with what you say. I would add however, while I have little respect for killtown, part of me has more respect for him then CTists like RedIbis and LastChild and the smug and disingenuous way they express their fantasies

[defaultdotxbe]

Killtown knows his remarks will be met with hostility, and it does not bother him. This, as I understand the concept, means that he is a sociopath. Sociopaths are not patriots in a free society. THey have a natural niche in despotic governments.
talk to red, its his definition of patriot im using, lol

[fitzgibbon]

OY! Is there Windex enough in the world to wipe this stupid off my monitor screen?

It wouldn't help. This level of stupid gets burned-in


1:25:

"Don't aim your camera on the non-burning tower as if you knew something is about to happen."

It looked to me as though the shot was artisticly balanced. A rather simple concept to anyone who has ever taken an art or photography course in HIGH SCHOOL. Maybe KT is a high school drop out.

I wouldn't say artistically-balanced necessarily. The WTC's framed as a unit, slightly off-centre (but only slightly) rather than the single of WTC1 that he seems to think should've been the case. Intentionally artistically-balanced would've had the WTC buildings framed slightly further right-of-screen to follow the rule of thirds. That is to say, divide your frame up into three sections and have important compositional elements at the 1/3 and 2/3 dividing line


1:38
"Don't make it skip across the sky."

The smoke seems to be coming out in pulses. It appears that the speed pf the video is being manipulated, most likely by KT.

It has been and he seems to have forgotten that he showed a real-time version right off the top as if nobody'd notice the difference between the two.


2:43:
"Or having someone walk in front of it..Because no one filming outside puts their camera so far back from the windowthatsomeone can walk in front of it. (and it also messes up the blue screen.)"

There are a lot of reasons that that might have been the only place they could have set the camera. As for the blue screen, the weather reporter on TV stands right in front of a blue screen without interfering with it. The scene washes out because the aperture tries to adh=just for the closest object to the camera. DUH!

And you can start to make out details in his shirt even while the BGD's washed-out. And blue screen's oh-so-'80's. Most chromakey's now are done against green screen.


4:06:
"Don't release your videos ntil you have fixed all your CGI mistakes."

Shows video of impact with artifacts around the plane and the edge of the building. I will let others who know more about video than I address this.

Easy-peasy. Killtown doesn't understand video encoding/decoding. He obviously doesn't get it that the footage he's swiped has been compressed and decompressed so many times that even if he snagged it the first time he saw it, there's was a ton information already tossed. I blow stuff up from camera-original footage and I wouldn't expect clean images at the zoom ratio KT's used let alone from low-resolution compressed footage like he has access to.



4:22:
"(Watch finger-like protruding object.)"

Shows fuel or dust driven out down-range side, claims it is not expanding. It looked to me as thoiugh it does. Shadows show it to be wider than deep. Looks like it all came out several windows on only one floor.

That's what an airliner (or more accurately, the remains thereof) looks like after plowing through a building.


4:35:
"Don't have your actors over-(re)act...Have your actors sound more natural."

They sounded natural to me. Shocked to realize this was intentional.

I'm not sure that KT's familiar with emotions. Human beings are odd that way


KT then goes on to blather aboput the timing of the sound, but i still hear jet engines after what he says is the bang of impact. Sounded more like an ambient thump in the room.

Actually, KT hoisted himself on his own petard about that one. If you look at the impact @ 7:13 which is approximately a second after the impact, you'll notice a thump about the 7:23 mark, just when KT's own calculations would predict there to be the arrival of the impact noise. Good one KT! :D


8:46:
"When even the newscaster doesn't believe it's real."

He shows talking heads desrcibing it as "unreal."

Trouble is, i think they were referring to the events of the day, rather than the video.

They are and truth be told, most talking-heads aren't Pulitzer-class intelligences. That and, given the events of the day, sometimes there just isn't anything really to say.


Killtown, king of the dirtbags.

Uhhhhh.........yup!

[dudalb]

Killtown is one of those individuals who when you think it is simply impossible for them to get any lower,they surprise you.

[leftysergeant]

Did I mention that I think him an utterly insensitive clod?

[The Silver Shadow]

Quick question, towards the end of the film, around the 7:40 mark, Killtown says that it would take 11 seconds for the sound of the bang to reach the microphone of the camera that was filming the second plane hitting. I'm inclined to call it BS, is there a reason why I shouldn't? I think that 11 seconds for sound to travel 2.35 miles is way too much time.

Can anyone debunk the 11 second claim?

[Foolmewunz]

Quick question, towards the end of the film, around the 7:40 mark, Killtown says that it would take 11 seconds for the sound of the bang to reach the microphone of the camera that was filming the second plane hitting. I'm inclined to call it BS, is there a reason why I shouldn't? I think that 11 seconds for sound to travel 2.35 miles is way too much time.

Can anyone debunk the 11 second claim?

If the distance is correct, 11 seconds is probably fairly accurate. Sound travels at 1100 feet per second, IIRC. That's be just under 5 seconds per mile.... so it should be within range - again assuming the distance is correct. Which camera was he talking about? (I won't look at his "work" - the guy repulses me.)

[The Silver Shadow]

If the distance is correct, 11 seconds is probably fairly accurate. Sound travels at 1100 feet per second, IIRC. That's be just under 5 seconds per mile.... so it should be within range - again assuming the distance is correct. Which camera was he talking about? (I won't look at his "work" - the guy repulses me.)
Firstly, thanks for confirming. This shows that I need to go and sit in a physics class.

Secondly, he was talking about the camera in the apartment that he believed was fake. The "bang" he was referring to was muffled since when he says that "bang" occurred was the same time the guy yelled "Oh ****" or something to that effect, and the video he showed didn't go on to see if there was a bang that occurred at 11 seconds.

[fitzgibbon]

Firstly, thanks for confirming. This shows that I need to go and sit in a physics class.

Secondly, he was talking about the camera in the apartment that he believed was fake. The "bang" he was referring to was muffled since when he says that "bang" occurred was the same time the guy yelled "Oh ****" or something to that effect, and the video he showed didn't go on to see if there was a bang that occurred at 11 seconds.

I referred to that in my post above, Silver Shadow. At the 7:13 mark, he cuts to the shot about a second after the WTC 2 impact. So the clock's already been running for a second. Guess what's heard at about the 7:23 mark? The impact, just when KT himself suggests it should be heard.

[Foolmewunz]

Does anyone have the location of the apartment? All I'm wondering is whether he might've used "driving distance". 2.5 miles from the WTC, on a straight line, gives you a fairly large radius.

[MIKILLINI]

[QUOTE=leftysergeant;3404191]OY! Is there Windex enough in the world to wipe this stupid off my monitor screen?


Not even a screen saver will save your monitor from this sewer junk.

[ElMondoHummus]

Did I mention that I think him an utterly insensitive clod?

You elevated him to mere clod? Why for? I'm coming up with waaaaay worse judgements.