Stop... Who's Next?

[RSLancastr]

With Sylvia Browne having announced her "farewell tour," and with Montel Williams having announced that this is the last season for new episodes of his show, I am receiving a fair number of emails, PMs and posts asking me: who's next?

First and foremost, Browne isn't Stopped yet:


Her "farewell" lecture tour (http://www.sylvia.org/home/lectures_all.cfm) is scheduled all the way out through November 2008.

She is still appearing at the Excalibur (https://res05.mgmmirage.com/cgi-bin/lansaweb?procfun+netsls+netsls+tck+funcparms+IOFRW W(A010):browne) through at least March.

She has four books scheduled to be released in 2008.


So, let's not go counting our chickens before they're stopped. There is still work to do in exposing what she does, and SSB will continue to do so for the time being.

But, to answer the question, what are my plans beyond SSB?

I spoke briefly about this at the end of my talk at TAM5.5, so I guess I'll talk about it here too...

There are still a lot of technical, legal and logistical issues I need to resolve, but here is what I am hoping to get going by year's end.

There are many other people out there deserving of a Stop(whoever) site, but there are only so many hours in the day, and I am pretty swamped (and then some) just dealing with StopSylviaBrowne.com.

What I hope to do, starting in the latter half of 2008, is to produce a series of Stop sites focusing on a number of deserving people. The sites will continue to use the same tone I have established with StopKaz and StopSylviaBrowne: Calm and straightforward, simply presenting the evidence, not calling names.

I can't clone myself, so there will not be enough hours in a day for me to write all the articles for all the sites I hope to start.

This is where you all come in.

When I am ready to embark on the project, I will be soliciting authors for articles on these sites, articles which I will then edit, making sure that the "Stop" tone is maintained.

It's a large undertaking, and I have many issues to resolve before I will be in a position to request articles.

The first four sites I will be starting up are:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/forwarded/peterpopoff/logo_526x250.jpg

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/forwarded/bennyhinn/logo_526x250.jpg

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/forwarded/johnedward/logo_526x250.jpg

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/forwarded/kevintrudeau/logo_526x250.jpg

I will also be creating an "umbrella" site which will be over these. I have yet to settle on a name for it, but the working title is:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/forwarded/flimflam/logo_526x250.jpg

Again, this is all six months or more down the road. I just wanted everyone to know what I'm hoping to do, and to solicit any comments, questions or suggestions you might have.

[RSLancastr]

Mods, perhaps this would be better in the General Skepticism forum. Please move it there. Thanks!

[athon]

Have you thought about exploring other road signs?

'Give-way to Skeptics'?
'Critical Crossing Ahead'?
Perhaps '7 Miles to the next Woo'?

:D

Seriously though, I'd narrow down to a field of skepticism you feel passionate about. 'Stop Psychics' sort of thing. It is narrow enough you can't be accused of just picking and choosing people who annoy you, while broad enough to always have fresh material.

I guess it also depends ultimately on your aims and goals. If you feel you've succeeded only when somebody is stopped, then going after a group is a pretty big ask. If you feel you've succeeded if you've informed a demographic about a single person, run after that. Likewise if you feel success on informing people on the lies that accompany a claim like 'I'm psychic', then going after a number of psychics in general could be the next step.

Any way you go, you've certainly accumulated some great experience. You're certain to do a fantastic job whatever the outcome.

Athon

[Brown]

As I read your first post, my favorite "next in line" was: Kevin Trudeau.

Since you have included several Elmer Gantries as possible subjects, you might want to contact the office of Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA). Chuck Grassley is looking into questionable tactics being employed by various televangelists. But these folks take in millions of dollars in a major tax dodging, and they they won't give that up quietly. They will also not hestiate to paint your criticism of them as criticism of the Almighty Himself, as though they and the Almighty are buddy-buddy partners; nor will they hesitate to use the magic words "hate crime."

Chuck Grassley, by the way, is a hard man for a lot of people to read. (As recent reports indicate, including a famous report in the New York Post, a lot of people think Grassley is a hayseed. He isn't. He only talks like a hayseed.) If you want to deal with him, contact me first.

If you really think your life is too dull, try to stop Scientology.

[Wowbagger]

How about "Stop Deepak Chorpa"?

I would also suggest "Stop John of God", but I think he's pretty small potatoes, compared to the other freaks you've picked.

[Spektator]

I was going to suggest the Maharishi, but the universe took care of that.

[DiskoVilante]

Hrm...The thumb might need some tweaking in the sign, other than that, fantastic.

[zombiebex]

I agree with Brown. My vote (maybe this should have been a poll?) is with Kevin Trudeau.

[MattusMaximus]

I say John Edward... I cannot stand those psychic talking-to-the-dead scumbags.

Someone said that Edward was doing a show in Vegas. If he's still there this summer, I think a large number of us should attend wearing T-shirts that say "John Edward is the Biggest Douche in the Universe!"

That's just my $0.02 worth ;)

Cheers - Mattus

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Robert, I knew I'd never be wanting for work with you. :)

I just want you to know that if you need any help with the newspaper research, you know where to turn to. :)

Yes, I think you'll be in need of a researcher for this most ambitious and large scale project and you can count on me, as far as I can help.

Peter Popoff, Benny Hinn, Kevin Trudeau and John Edward, huh? Worthy adversaries, one and all, and each one is just as despicable as the others but I can't wait to sink my teeth into John Edward.

Myself, I would choose John of God instead of Peter Popoff. I think he's as dangerous a con man as there can ever be and about as dangerous, if not even more so, than Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff, et al. Hardly small potatoes.

edit: I'd also choose John of God over Popoff because Popoff has been debunked very thoroughly over the many years he's been in operation and John of God, not so much. Also, I'd think an internet site devoted to him would be very effective, given that many of his victims are overseas tourists and would therefore seek out information about him online prior to travelling to Brazil.

[MattusMaximus]

Since you have included several Elmer Gantries as possible subjects, you might want to contact the office of Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA). Chuck Grassley is looking into questionable tactics being employed by various televangelists. But these folks take in millions of dollars in a major tax dodging, and they they won't give that up quietly. They will also not hestiate to paint your criticism of them as criticism of the Almighty Himself, as though they and the Almighty are buddy-buddy partners; nor will they hesitate to use the magic words "hate crime."



Yes, go after the televangelists as well. They're just the Christian version of John Edward and his ilk.



If you really think your life is too dull, try to stop Scientology.


Only if you're ready for a long and protracted battle (and most likely very, very personal). $cientologists are not to be dealt with lightly. Just ask the guy from www.xenu.net

Cheers - Mattus

[MattusMaximus]

Myself, I would choose John of God instead of Peter Popoff. I think he's as dangerous a con man as there can ever be and about as dangerous, if not even more so, than Benny Hinn, Peter Popoff, et al. Hardly small potatoes.


But isn't John of God in Brazil or something like that? Wouldn't that make things more difficult? I'd rather focus on our homegrown nuts for now.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

But isn't John of God in Brazil or something like that? Wouldn't that make things more difficult? I'd rather focus on our homegrown nuts for now.

That's what makes him even more despicable, as well- that in addition to robbing sick people (some of them Americans, but that's beside the point) of their health and money, he also lures them to Brazil. He's Benny Hinn or anyone of our homegrown nuts plus huge expenses, time wasted, etc.

As far as I can tell, Hinn at least never sent anyone on a wild goose chase farther than Kansas. So in that respect, he's worse than our local nuts.

[Piscivore]

Thirded Kevin T.

[Hokulele]

Fourthed Kevin T. While the other people harm people psychologically and financially, he is harming them physically, with the possibility of killing someone. I would be happy to help stop him. PM me if you wish.

[Jeff Corey]

I'm in on stopping John Edward. He was a local scammer before going national. Back in the day, Claus and I had fun on a fan site run by Pam Blizzard.Let's see if that is still around.

[Walk The Line]

As I read your first post, my favorite "next in line" was: Kevin Trudeau.

My vote is for Trudeau as well.

The man oozes slime. By specializing in giving bogus medical advice I think he is above and beyond the normal "I'm going to take your money" huckster.

[Boo]

STOP WBC (Westboro Baptist Church)




Boo

[four elevener]

Hmmmm I despise Mr. T. and Mr. E. equally, but Mr. E. wins my vote by a hair because of his pompous smirk.

[Stellafane]

You would be performing the greater service to society in general, I think, if you went after Trudeau. I also think he's probably the easier target. But golly wolligers, I'd give the rest of my already truncated left pinky to see you take on The Biggest Douche in the Universe.

ETA: And just think of the logo possibilities.

[halofish2000]

Haven't you heard Trudeau is now giving financial advice. Please get him off my late night TV. And if you are going to go after Benny Hinn, add a button where those around the country can add their local hench-man for God. Can't wait for the outcome of Sen Grassley's investigation.

[SezMe]

Stop The Central Scrutinizer.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Kevin T. followed by Deepak and then Dr. Weil.

[Susan Gerbic]

Congrats Robert! You have made such a difference with both of your sites, I am so glad to hear that you will be taking on more of these evil people. I was so disappointed not to be able to travel to 5.5 to meet you. But I hope to shake your hand here soon. Way to go!

I want to advise you to take all these people and more on. I'm sure Edwards would be terrified to hear that you were setting up a site for him, that is real power. He probably dreams about you at night << hum >> But I know how these kinds of projects will take over your life.

Go with whatever you want, your instincts have been right so far. I'm not the genius that most of these forum people are, but I am very organized, determined and passionate about this cause. Don't know how that would help, but I am willing.

Susan

[Pidge]

ETA - sorry, OT, sticking this in Humour... (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=3406720)

[noblecaboose]

Count me as another vote for Kevin Trudeau.

[rjh01]

RIP all major woos. After Robert starts to go after them they will have a public life expectancy of less than two years.

Some time how about training a team of people to do what you do? Then they specialise in one or two people each. You mange them all. I think you will not have enough time to do several people at once. After all people were giving you ideas and the ideas were on your 'to do' list.

[Macoy]

Apologising in advance for attempting to teach you to suck eggs, Robert, but have you registered those site names?

[rjh01]

They are all taken
http://www.stoppeterpopoff.com/
http://www.stopbennyhinn.com/
http://www.stopjohnedward.com/
http://www.stopkevintrudeau.com/

Robert has got them all. Click on the links to see.

[Macoy]

They are all taken
http://www.stoppeterpopoff.com/
http://www.stopbennyhinn.com/
http://www.stopjohnedward.com/
http://www.stopkevintrudeau.com/

Robert has got them all. Click on the links to see.

...Excellent...

[EHocking]

...If you really think your life is too dull, try to stop Scientology.
Fortunately, someone has taken up that gauntlet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/04/news
"... A day of free speech protests have been planned outside Scientology centres around the world next Sunday, with campaigners mobilising on Facebook and YouTube.
Protesters are vowing to picket buildings in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh and York on the British leg of the day of direct action, three weeks after a group of internet activists called Anonymous vowed to destroy the movement..."

[chillzero]

RSL,
If I read your OP correctly, it is not so much votes for who that you want, rather you want offers of assistance for articles, etc.

I was chuffed to meet you at TAM, and would love to be able to help out, but I don't think I can offer long term assistance; at least not immediately. As I discussed, I put some effort toward helping Kelly with Project Jason, and I also wish to put something similar in place for the UK missing.

I will however chip in my name for the occasional article, and hope to be able to be of some use in this endeavour, as I think you have set a wonderful standard here. I have heard several people start other projects inspired by your example - myself included.

[Brown]

Two things about Trudeau: (1) He would be different from a psychic, and so would offer a change of pace. Taking him on would be more like taking on Kaz, a person with puffed-up empty claims. (2) There is a wealth of published material of his own, along with some governmental action investigating him. Many of his claims can be examined objectively.

There is even a possible third factor: (3) Some of what Trudeau says is almost certainly correct! The evil here is that the truth is mixed in with a pile of garbage, and if a reader cannot tell the truth from the garbage, then the truth does the reader no good!

I recently went into a local bookstore here (the store is called Chapters) and saw one of Trudeau's books sitting atop a table of "Health" books. I was very disappointed.

[RSL's better half]

RSL,
If I read your OP correctly, it is not so much votes for who that you want, rather you want offers of assistance for articles, etc.

I was chuffed to meet you at TAM, and would love to be able to help out, but I don't think I can offer long term assistance; at least not immediately. As I discussed, I put some effort toward helping Kelly with Project Jason, and I also wish to put something similar in place for the UK missing.

I will however chip in my name for the occasional article, and hope to be able to be of some use in this endeavour, as I think you have set a wonderful standard here. I have heard several people start other projects inspired by your example - myself included.

My understanding of this undertaking is exactly as you have said. Correct me if I'm wrong, Robert, but I think all the sites mentioned (and possibly more) will go up at the same time. And please feel free, Everyone, to contribute articles to whichever site interests you! Please! I'd really like to have an hour a day, at least, of my husband's time. ;)

[Loss Leader]

Not a huge fan of the title "Stop Flim-Flam". I'll think about it a little more but consider "Stop Spiritual Fraud" or "Stop The Con".

[alfaniner]

My first thought was of John Edward, as my curiosity about him was one of the things that led me to this site.

However, for the sheer harm that he's doing, my vote goes for Kevin Trudeau. I was appalled to hear a relative mention reading his book and following that advice. And I have not yet seen a face on TV that was more deserving of a fist.

"Stop Flim-Flam".
Won't JR be a little miffed about you taking on his book? :)

[JoeTheJuggler]

I'd still encourage you to publish a Stop Sylvia Browne book before taking on someone else. I'd love to see it in the big chain bookstores right next to SBs junk.

I think there's a wider audience for you yet.

Cheers!

[Tressa]

I think "Stop Flim-flam" is a nice nod to Randi and a nice central/home area for all the sites. Perhaps a link to his book on the JREF store site would be cool (with Randi's permission of course, somehow I don't think he'd mind).

Also, http://www.stopflim-flam.com/ or http://www.stopflimflam.com/ doesn't appear to be taken like the others yet.

[ExMinister]

Stop John Edward. Stop James van Praagh. I've had quite few people tell me they don't believe SB is legit anymore, but they still believe JE and JVP are the real deal, so would be good to set the record straight on mediums in general. As long as the major players are still standing, the market is still wide open for the lesser knowns, who are publishing books now, too. There isn't much out there to debunk them.

Benny Hinn, Kevin Trudeau et al are also good. I'd also consider people like Adam Dream Healer to be worthy candidates down the road. His success seems to be paving the way for others, like the Indigo Child healer mentioned recently on another thread.

At any rate, count me in. Just tell me what needs to be done and if it isn't technical, I'll try to help.

Also agree with Loss Leader that Stop Flim Flam doesn't sound as appealing as Stop Fraud or Stop the Con. Stop Flim Flam wouldn't have made me look, as a woo type. ;)

[CFLarsen]

I'm in on stopping John Edward. He was a local scammer before going national. Back in the day, Claus and I had fun on a fan site run by Pam Blizzard.Let's see if that is still around.

Oh, yeah. Those were the days. Lots of good stories.

[Loss Leader]

I wouldn't mind seeing "Stop the History Channel." Their programming has turned into utter nonsense and several of their non-US versions have run Loose Change and other troother stupidity.

[Wowbagger]

I agree that "Stop Fraud" or "Stop the Con" or "Stop the Cons" sounds better than using the words "Flim Flam". Though, the uncommoness of the words might give it some appeal.

I would also add "Stop the Shams" or "Stop Fakery" as other possabilities.

[Senex]

During the first week of my freshman year of high school my religion teacher (a previous nun who changed her mind) talked several students in her class to participate in a yearly situation called "Patterning" for an unfortuntate local child who had brain damge due to something gone wrong with his anesthesia during his surgery.

I participated because I liked several of the young women who participated when I did.During times we weren't patterning we were in the living room listening to the crazy people on TV this woman believed would help her son. I once helped her get her son packed up on a stretcher to go to a Benny Hinn event.

Benny Hinn didn't bring him down during the televised portion.

I have never hit anyone in the nose i my life. I will hit Benny Hinn for being an ass if I ever get a chance.

[Bull13]

Why do we need to stop Benny Hill he was funny. Oh Wait you said that scrote Benny Hinn. He has not been stopped yet? As a country we just keep sinking into a bigger pile of dumb.

[Miss Whiplash]

I like Stop Film-Flam, too. Great nod to JR's wonderful book that was mind changing for many of us. Also a great catch-all for various and potentially destructive woo-woo like homeopathy and various small time huskers.

[Monza]

This is good news, Robert. You have done an excellent job with your two previous sites and I can't wait to see the new ones up and running. I would be happy to contribute an article or two. In fact, I hope the JREF forum members provide plenty of assistance and fodder for your efforts.

[rjh01]

I'd really like to have an hour a day, at least, of my husband's time. ;)

RSL's better half
Sorry, but Robert is already married to stop flim flam. You cannot compete, only join in.:D

Robert
However a quick search says that there are many sites that are critical of these people. Will you be able to make a difference?

[Mr. Stick]

I think Allison Dubois would be a deserving target. The tv-series "Medium" is giving her, and psychics in general, worldwide credibility among people who don't know any better. :mad:

[AK-Dave]

I vote for going after a different "kind" than what you have battled so far. By this, I mean that you have focused on a spiritual fraud* (Kaz) and psychic fraud* (Browne) already. If a new spiritual fraud or psychic pops up, we can point people to the sites you already have to show how other frauds have operated. If you go after Trudeau, you will be exposing a third major kind of woo, providing a resource that we can direct people to when the next "Trudeau" pops up.

-David

* yes, I know, redundant...

[PastBrowneFan]

Robert is correct; Sylvia Browne has not yet been stopped. She has lectures scheduled throughout the year, the Vegas side shows, looks like 2 cruises, plus her radio show and Salons.

I think that losing her free publicity on Montel will diminish her income and her customer base, so I am expecting her to announce an official semi-retirement, claiming some excuse such as health or to spend more time with her money-loving family.

I personally would like to see a "stopnovusspiritus" site, but that is just me. Hopefully once Sylvia is brought down, arrested, or retired then Novus will implode upon itself with the egos fighting for control.

Whatever sites you do start, I'll be more than happy to contribute (especially against psychics or Benny Hinn types).

Rob

[RSLancastr]

First, my apologies to all if my OP was misleading.

I was not asking for a vote on "Who's Next?", I was answering that question: Edward, Hinn, Trudeau and Popoff are next.

The post was to answer that question, and, as ChillZero and RSL's Better Half said, was a request for help with these four. I am also glad to hear of any others you think should be on the list, but for now, these four are at the head of the list.

Have you thought about exploring other road signs?

'Give-way to Skeptics'?
'Critical Crossing Ahead'?
Perhaps '7 Miles to the next Woo'?

:D'Watch For Falling Frauds'? :D

Seriously though, I'd narrow down to a field of skepticism you feel passionate about. 'Stop Psychics' sort of thing.I considered this, and decided not to limit my scope that way. The field of skepticism I feel passionate about is stopping frauds who I believe are harming people. The four people mentioned above all fit into that field quite nicely. Besides, I entered into this whole arena with StopKaz, and Kaz was not a "psychic."

I guess it also depends ultimately on your aims and goals. If you feel you've succeeded only when somebody is stopped, then going after a group is a pretty big ask. If you feel you've succeeded if you've informed a demographic about a single person, run after that.I think "success" will be measured differently for different cases. But both of the definitions you mention are valid ones.

Any way you go, you've certainly accumulated some great experience. You're certain to do a fantastic job whatever the outcome.Thanks, Athon!

They will also not hestiate to paint your criticism of them as criticism of the Almighty Himself, as though they and the Almighty are buddy-buddy partners; nor will they hesitate to use the magic words "hate crime."This is one of the reasons I did not pick a category such as "psychics" or "televangelists", as it would have made this type of criticism/dodge more traction.

Chuck Grassley, by the way, is a hard man for a lot of people to read. (As recent reports indicate, including a famous report in the New York Post, a lot of people think Grassley is a hayseed. He isn't. He only talks like a hayseed.) If you want to deal with him, contact me first.I just may, Brown. Thanks for the suggestion.

If you really think your life is too dull, try to stop Scientology.As it stands now, I am focusing on individuals.

How about "Stop Deepak Chorpa"?

I would also suggest "Stop John of God", but I think he's pretty small potatoes, compared to the other freaks you've picked.Both good focuses (foci?) as well. Thanks for the suggestions.

Hrm...The thumb might need some tweaking in the sign, other than that, fantastic.I'll look into that! :)

I agree with Brown. My vote (maybe this should have been a poll?) is with Kevin Trudeau.Not a poll, but thanis for your vote! :D

Someone said that Edward was doing a show in Vegas. If he's still there this summer, I think a large number of us should attend wearing T-shirts that say "John Edward is the Biggest Douche in the Universe!":D

I just want you to know that if you need any help with the newspaper research, you know where to turn to. :)Thanks, Eeney.

edit: I'd also choose John of God over Popoff because Popoff has been debunked very thoroughly over the many years he's been in operation and John of God, not so much.There is a lot of debunking info out there on Popoff, but, as it was with Browne, there is no one-stop shop where it is all collected, and gone over in a relatively dispassionate way.

Also, I'd think an internet site devoted to him would be very effective, given that many of his victims are overseas tourists and would therefore seek out information about him online prior to travelling to Brazil.Good points about a JoG site. I tend to think that Popoff is reaching (and harming) more people through his TV appearances than JoG is via word of mouth. There is also the language barrier issue with researching JoG. But he is definitely worthy of a site at some point.

But isn't John of God in Brazil or something like that? Wouldn't that make things more difficult? I'd rather focus on our homegrown nuts for now.Same here.

Fourthed Kevin T. While the other people harm people psychologically and financially, he is harming them physically, with the possibility of killing someone. I would be happy to help stop him. PM me if you wish.Thanks, Hokulele. When I get to that point, I will be getting in touch.

I'm in on stopping John Edward. He was a local scammer before going national. Back in the day, Claus and I had fun on a fan site run by Pam Blizzard.Let's see if that is still around.Thanks for the offer of help, Jeff. Pam's forum is still around, under a different name, as it has changed its focus from Edward to psychics in general, as well as divination (Tarot, etc).

STOP WBC (Westboro Baptist Church)I am concentrating on individuals at this time. Phelps, maybe.

But golly wolligers, I'd give the rest of my already truncated left pinky to see you take on The Biggest Douche in the Universe.

ETA: And just think of the logo possibilities.Yes, I thought of putting a douche bag in the stop sign, but decidced against it. I have yet to do the final logo for any of them. Not sure if I will "have fun" with any of them or not. We'll see!

Stop The Central Scrutinizer.I have bigger fish to fry:

http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/forwarded/philplait/logo_526x250.jpg

Congrats Robert! You have made such a difference with both of your sites, I am so glad to hear that you will be taking on more of these evil people. I was so disappointed not to be able to travel to 5.5 to meet you. But I hope to shake your hand here soon. Way to go!Thanks, sgf8!

I'm not the genius that most of these forum people are, but I am very organized, determined and passionate about this cause. Don't know how that would help, but I am willing.In this sort of effort, those three qualities trump genius.

Some time how about training a team of people to do what you do? Then they specialise in one or two people each. You mange them all.I don't think training is the issue, as what I am doing is pretty self-evident.

I think you will not have enough time to do several people at once. After all people were giving you ideas and the ideas were on your 'to do' list.That's why the goal of me being (primarily) the editor of these sites, rather than me writing all the articles.

Apologising in advance for attempting to teach you to suck eggs, Robert, but have you registered those site names?Yup!

If I read your OP correctly, it is not so much votes for who that you want, rather you want offers of assistance for articles, etc.Exactly.

I was chuffed to meet you at TAM, and would love to be able to help out, but I don't think I can offer long term assistance; at least not immediately. As I discussed, I put some effort toward helping Kelly with Project Jason, and I also wish to put something similar in place for the UK missing.Sounds like an important and needed project, and one which will keep you more than busy.

I will however chip in my name for the occasional article, and hope to be able to be of some use in this endeavour, as I think you have set a wonderful standard here. I have heard several people start other projects inspired by your example - myself included.Thanks, Chill. You're very kind.

My understanding of this undertaking is exactly as you have said. Correct me if I'm wrong, Robert, but I think all the sites mentioned (and possibly more) will go up at the same time.I don't think they will all go up simultaneously, but they may. It will depend on a lot of things. I think it more likely that one of them will go up before the others (to shake out any bugs in the software), then the others as they are ready.

Please! I'd really like to have an hour a day, at least, of my husband's time. ;)We watched House together last night, didn't we? And you were even awake for some of it, weren't you? ;)

Not a huge fan of the title "Stop Flim-Flam". I'll think about it a little more but consider "Stop Spiritual Fraud" or "Stop The Con".Aside from it being a nod to Randi, one reason I am considering it is for the same legal reasons Penn & Teller claim as why they ended up with the title "************!" I will be contacting the attorney who helped me with the letter to Browne's attorney, to get some advice on that.

"Stop Flim-Flam".
Won't JR be a little miffed about you taking on his book? :)If I were taking on the book, it would be "Stop Flim-Flam". :)

I'd still encourage you to publish a Stop Sylvia Browne book before taking on someone else. I'd love to see it in the big chain bookstores right next to SBs junk.Time, time, time! Maybe I could ask Browne's ghost writers to write it for me... :)

I think there's a wider audience for you yet.

Cheers!Thanks, Joe!

I think "Stop Flim-flam" is a nice nod to Randi and a nice central/home area for all the sites. Perhaps a link to his book on the JREF store site would be cool (with Randi's permission of course, somehow I don't think he'd mind).:)

Also, http://www.stopflim-flam.com/ or http://www.stopflimflam.com/ doesn't appear to be taken like the others yet.The fact that they bring up a "This page is parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com" message shows that they are indeed taken. Luckily, they are taken by me! I just have yet to redirect them to a "placeholder" page as I have with the other four domains. I will do so some time today.

Stop John Edward. Stop James van Praagh. I've had quite few people tell me they don't believe SB is legit anymore, but they still believe JE and JVP are the real deal, so would be good to set the record straight on mediums in general.I had considered a site for JVP, but he just doesn't seem to have the influence the others do.

At any rate, count me in. Just tell me what needs to be done and if it isn't technical, I'll try to help.I appreciate it, Ex-M!

I wouldn't mind seeing "Stop the History Channel." Their programming has turned into utter nonsense and several of their non-US versions have run Loose Change and other troother stupidity.That's pretty sad... But for onw, I'm focusing on individuals.

I agree that "Stop Fraud" or "Stop the Con" or "Stop the Cons" sounds better than using the words "Flim Flam". Though, the uncommoness of the words might give it some appeal.

I would also add "Stop the Shams" or "Stop Fakery" as other possabilities.Noted, thanks!

I participated because I liked several of the young women who participated when I did.During times we weren't patterning we were in the living room listening to the crazy people on TV this woman believed would help her son. I once helped her get her son packed up on a stretcher to go to a Benny Hinn event. I remember you telling this story before. Very sad.

I have never hit anyone in the nose i my life. I will hit Benny Hinn for being an ass if I ever get a chance.Believe me, I understand the sentiment. But I have to state that these sites will not advocate any such thing against any of the people they will focus on.

Why do we need to stop Benny Hill he was funny.The site will actually focus on all comedy shows which overuse "Yakkety Sax" and fast-motion chase sequences.

I like Stop Film-Flam, too. Great nod to JR's wonderful book that was mind changing for many of us. Also a great catch-all for various and potentially destructive woo-woo like homeopathy and various small time huskers.

Sorry, but Robert is already married to stop flim flam. You cannot compete, only join in.:DWe are too married! I posted the pics to prove it! :D

However a quick search says that there are many sites that are critical of these people. Will you be able to make a difference?There were many skeptical pages on the web about Browne before SSB. As with that site, I will attempt to create a one-stop shop for each of these people. Also, I will be bringing the same tone to these new sites as I did the others. Many of the pages out there about these people take a hardher tone.

Perhaps these sites will make a difference, perhaps they won't. Time will tell.

I think Allison Dubois would be a deserving target. The tv-series "Medium" is giving her, and psychics in general, worldwide credibility among people who don't know any better. :mad:Noted, thanks!

I vote for going after a different "kind" than what you have battled so far.I think that Trudeau, Hinn an Popoff all fit that bill.

[RSLancastr]

I personally would like to see a "stopnovusspiritus" site, but that is just me.Just focusing on individuals at this point, Rob. But I agree wiht you that Novus will likely implode as Bowne's customer base erodes.

Whatever sites you do start, I'll be more than happy to contribute (especially against psychics or Benny Hinn types).Thanks Rob!

[Susan Gerbic]

I want the link to the wedding pictures!


Also - I wonder if JVP and the like will scoop up the "StopJVP" name before you do? That would be so cool to find that these people bought up the name because they were worried that you would do so. I know you would just get around the name but it is cool that all these names are pretty much the same (stopso-in-so). Even better if they came up with a "StopRobertLancaster" site, what a compliment to you.

Susan

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

So Robert, when exactly are you closing shop on StopSylviaBrowne.com? I hope it won't be any time soon, since I still hope to see my material make it. Which I hope it all will, even with Sylvia leaving a good deal of the spotlight.

And because, I'll be honest, it'll be hard to say goodbye. I know it was always your site but it feels like my baby, too. :(

Not that I'm not overjoyed she's going, going, gone- my greatest wish, as a debunker, is that I be left with no job to do.

[ExMinister]

Speaking of not being done with Sylvia yet, I wonder if Hay House has dropped her, too. I just noticed that this year she doesn't appear to be participating in the I can Do It seminar that Hay House sponsors in Las Vegas every summer. Kind of a big deal with a lot of the most well known authors, and I think this is the first time she's been absent from the list. I wonder if she wasn't invited. Anyone know what her next books will be about and/or who is publishing them?

ETA: Looks like she'll be at the smaller seminar in Toronto, though, in March so maybe they're not dropping her. Oh well.

[PAC]

I would like to see Kevin Trudeau to be the first on the hot seat.

[Hindmost]

My vote would be for kevin trudeau. He is probably doing the most damage.

glenn

[Tanstaafl]

I also vote for Kevin Trudeau as the next most likely target, simply because I think he has the most capacity to cause deaths.

ETA: And I was quite aware that you're not polling for who to go after next. I just couldn't resist putting in my two cents regarding priorities. Best of luck with each of these endeavors.

[RSLancastr]

I want the link to the wedding pictures!
Here you go! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=86201&highlight=married)

Also - I wonder if JVP and the like will scoop up the "StopJVP" name before you do?Always a possibility!

Even better if they came up with a "StopRobertLancaster" site, what a compliment to you.Too late for them to compliment me like that - I already have it registered. :)

So Robert, when exactly are you closing shop on StopSylviaBrowne.com?No time soon, Eeney.

Speaking of not being done with Sylvia yet, I wonder if Hay House has dropped her, too.I don't know offhand, but speaking of Hay House, Louise Hay is going to be on Oprah this Friday.

Anyone know what her next books will be about and/or who is publishing them?I have a list of them somewhere, from a recent newsletter. There is Temples on the Other Side which is coming out soon (if it isn't already), and one called Grandma Ada and Me (or something like that). I forget offhand what the other two are.

[Susan Gerbic]

My impression is that Robert isn't shutting down SSB just starting to focus on new people. I'm sure if something new occurs with Browne he will post it. People still need to be aware of her, she still does readings and sells books.

I really wonder if she is slowing down for her own reasons (health issues) and not because they are dropping her tours?

Susan

[Susan Gerbic]

Too late for them to compliment me like that - I already have it registered. :)


You are so on it Robert!

[rjh01]

I know you are married to your other half. This just means you have two wives. :d Can you give them both what they want?

http://www.stoprobertlancaster.com/ - This gives a website. It may need updating.
When are you going to start campaigning against yourself?

[RSLancastr]

My impression is that Robert isn't shutting down SSB just starting to focus on new people. I'm sure if something new occurs with Browne he will post it. People still need to be aware of her, she still does readings and sells books.Not only "something new", but there are still plenty of articles in the hopper, in one form or another. They will continue to go up on the article as time permits.

I really wonder if she is slowing down for her own reasons (health issues) and not because they are dropping her tours?It oculd be health, it could be she's decided she's rich enough, it could be because of the negative attention she is getting, or a number of other things. We will likely never know.

You are so on it Robert!:D

I know you are married to your other half. This just means you have two wives. :d Can you give them both what they want?I will try. But if I can't, my Better Half wins out, hands down.

http://www.stoprobertlancaster.com/ - This gives a website. It may need updating.For now, it will simply point to the SSB site.

[GreedyAlgorithm]

I would contribute time, research, and writing to Stopping Kevin Trudeau.

[Wowbagger]

Compared to other scum bags, Kevin Trudeau is like a scum bucket.

[Piscivore]

I'll help out writing for a Stop Kevin T site.

I suppose first I should learn to spell his name correctly.

Compared to other scum bags, Kevin Trudeau is like a scum bucket.
Scumdumpster.

[Tressa]

Scumlandfill.

[alfaniner]

Stop... Who's Next?

Why pick on this particular album? There are others that are much more egregious!
http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/the_who_whos_next.jpg

(OK, probably way too long after the thread opening to make an effective joke, but it was the first chance I had to get to it...)

[four elevener]

I think Allison Dubois would be a deserving target. The tv-series "Medium" is giving her, and psychics in general, worldwide credibility among people who don't know any better. :mad:


Hmmmm now that you mention her, I would agree as well. I've hated her more ever since she went on Oprah nationally dissing skeptics and scientific testing in one breath yet reciting her "accurate" test results in another. She too has a smarmy attitude. If I ever run into her, I'm going to look her in the eye with my eye, and then roll mine.

[Walk The Line]

Here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/22/AR2005102201272.html) is a fairly lengthy Washington Post article on Trudeau from a few years back. I find interesting that the article (written in October, 2005) mentions he did an infomercial with the late Tammy Faye Messner.

This link (http://www.infomercialwatch.org/reports/nycpb.shtml) says that the infomercial Tammy Faye and Trudeau taped gave "the false impression that Tammy Faye opposes chemotherapy in favor of the ‘natural cures’ in Trudeau’s book." Tammy Faye's homepage has a letter from Tammy Faye that gives a fairly detailed description of her Chemotherapy program. (http://www.tammyfaye.com/notetfcancertherapy.htm) She even lists the doctor who treated her.

Unfortunately, Tammy Faye died in July 2007 due to cancer related complications.

[MattusMaximus]

Fortunately, someone has taken up that gauntlet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/04/news
"... A day of free speech protests have been planned outside Scientology centres around the world next Sunday, with campaigners mobilising on Facebook and YouTube.
Protesters are vowing to picket buildings in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh and York on the British leg of the day of direct action, three weeks after a group of internet activists called Anonymous vowed to destroy the movement..."


This is awesome! I can't wait to see how this all pans out.

[CFLarsen]

Compared to other scum bags, Kevin Trudeau is like a scum bucket.

I have said it before: STOP BEING SO MEAN TO SCUM!!!!

Even scum don't deserve the comparison.

[Cuddles]

Hammer time.



Oh come on, don't look at me like that. Someone had to say it.

[Cueshark]

Have you thought about exploring other road signs?

'Give-way to Skeptics'?
'Critical Crossing Ahead'?
Perhaps '7 Miles to the next Woo'?



'Bridge missing - Leap of faith required'

Sorry, just had to throw that one in.

I think taking on John Edward would be my pick because like others, his smugness drives me crazy. But clearly he's not the most dangerous of the people mentioned. Good luck with these Rob.

[coreyh]

Robert, send me a PM when you start researching Kevin Trudeau. I can bring you up to speed on Kevin's pool tour and its numerous issues.

KT's pool tour does not physically harm people like his medical "advice" does, and I would not consider it worthy of being among the first articles on the site. However, the way that Kevin Trudeau treats people provides a good insight into his character.

[Soapy Sam]

I doubt one person in one hundred in Europe (I include the UK) has heard of any of these people. (I never have, except here. That said, I had never heard of Slyvia either).

[Wowbagger]

I have said it before: STOP BEING SO MEAN TO SCUM!!!!

Even scum don't deserve the comparison.

Oh dear. It seems I should apologize to scum now. I didn't mean for that to come out so cruel. I am perfectly well aware of the fact that even scum does not deserve to be compared to Kevin Trudeau. I humbly apologize, and promise not insult scum, to that extent, ever again.

From now on, my insults towards scum will only be slightly less harsh than that.

Stupid scum.

[skeptifem]

i think enough people are out to stop trudeau, heh.

I vote edwards. I hate that WE is giving him a bunch of air time. ugh.

[CFLarsen]

Oh dear. It seems I should apologize to scum now. I didn't mean for that to come out so cruel. I am perfectly well aware of the fact that even scum does not deserve to be compared to Kevin Trudeau. I humbly apologize, and promise not insult scum, to that extent, ever again.

From now on, my insults towards scum will only be slightly less harsh than that.

Stupid scum.

:D

[Graham Ross]

stopmichaelbay.com?

[chillzero]

I doubt one person in one hundred in Europe (I include the UK) has heard of any of these people. (I never have, except here. That said, I had never heard of Slyvia either).

That said, more people will have heard of them, as they actually own pieces of technology such as TV sets. ;)

John Edwards has had more exposure here than the others, and even had his show still aired here, when it was taken off in USA.

I saw a Montel episode with Sylvia just this week.

[Worm]

Montel is being shown on ITV2 in the UK on weekdays around 5:30

I actually managed to catch one of the Sylvia Browne episodes the other day, and was stunned by how bad it was - how is this popular television anywhere??

[EHocking]

Fortunately, someone has taken up that gauntlet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/04/news
"... A day of free speech protests have been planned outside Scientology centres around the world next Sunday, with campaigners mobilising on Facebook and YouTube.
Protesters are vowing to picket buildings in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Edinburgh and York on the British leg of the day of direct action, three weeks after a group of internet activists called Anonymous vowed to destroy the movement..."
Just a follow up.

March/Protest is Sunday 10th.

See this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104573) for JREF rallying cry.

[Soapy Sam]

" That said, more people will have heard of them, as they actually own pieces of technology such as TV sets." :wink:- Chillzero.


TV sets are the cocaine of the working classes. I know people who actually think "Emmerdale" is an interesting programme. Some folk are beyond all hope and should be herded with cattle prods and used as landfill.

I have made a habit, these last two years, of asking people at work and non-JREF type friends what they know of Slyvia . Not one non-American person I have asked has admitted knowing who or what she is or ever having heard of the lady. This in no way makes RSL's excellent site less worthwhile. It's just an observation. Perhaps one European target suggests him / herself for the list of candidates?

Stop Gordon Brown now...you can sign me up for that.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

I doubt one person in one hundred in Europe (I include the UK) has heard of any of these people. (I never have, except here. That said, I had never heard of Slyvia either).

I have lived in the United States my entire life and before I became interested in parapsychology, I never heard of any of those people before, either. As a matter of fact, I had never heard of most woo woos one way or another, either as legitimate mediums, healers, etc. or as frauds.

I had read about the idea of mediums and psychics, to be sure, but he first place I ever learned of John Edward's, Rosemary Altea's and James van Praagh's existence was Penn and Teller's TV show.

As for Trudeau and Popoff, I had never heard of them before I started reading Randi's site and the forum.

And as for my favorite subject, Sylvia Browne, I had likewise barely heard of her and never heard of Montel Williams before I started reading SWIFT.

As a matter of fact, I've found that she's hardly a household name here; except for woo-woos, skeptics and casual watchers of Montel, most people are not likely to have heard of her.

[RSL's better half]

I have found that, when telling people about what Robert does, I have to first explain who she is in probably 8 out of 10 cases. Yet, the woman is a multi-millionaire, and all from hurting naive people or those in crisis. As Soapy Sam says, "This in no way makes RSL's excellent site less worthwhile." In fact, the more easy-to-reach education there is available, the fewer people there will be for vultures like SB to shake down. IMHO, of course.

[RSLancastr]

I would contribute time, research, and writing to Stopping Kevin Trudeau.Thanks, GA!

I'll help out writing for a Stop Kevin T site.Thanks, Pisci!

Robert, send me a PM when you start researching Kevin Trudeau. I can bring you up to speed on Kevin's pool tour and its numerous issues.Will do, thanks Corey!

I vote edwards. I hate that WE is giving him a bunch of air time. ugh.Well, he has backed out of the election, so I don't think a site is needed. ;)

stopmichaelbay.com?I would prefer StopUweBoll.com first.

I saw a Montel episode with Sylvia just this week.My sympathies.

I actually managed to catch one of the Sylvia Browne episodes the other day, and was stunned by how bad it was - how is this popular television anywhere??Sadly, the same could be said of the vast majority of shows on TV.

TV sets are the cocaine of the working classes.But they are much more damaging when you try to snort them.

I have made a habit, these last two years, of asking people at work and non-JREF type friends what they know of Slyvia . Not one non-American person I have asked has admitted knowing who or what she is or ever having heard of the lady.Well, if you are just mentioning her name, then the same is true here in the states, in my experience. I've lost track of the times I have had conversations along these lines with friends, cow-orkers, etc:

Them: What is your web site?

Me: StopSylviaBrowne.com.

Them: Who is Sylvia Browne?

Me: She's a TV "psychic" who is on the Montel Williams show...

Them: Oh, the crazy old woman with the fingernails?

The same is true of Kevin Trudeau ("Oh, the guy with the informercials?"), Benny Hinn ("Oh, the guy with the weird hair?") and John Edward ("Oh, the guy that was on South Park?") Popoff is arguably the least well-known of the four. And I intend to help keep it that way.

Perhaps one European target suggests him / herself for the list of candidates?I am open to suggestions Sam, but I would lean towards those whose books, TV shows, etc., are readily available to me.

Stop Gordon Brown now...you can sign me up for that.:D I'll keep him in mind.

As a matter of fact, I've found that she's hardly a household name here; except for woo-woos, skeptics and casual watchers of Montel, most people are not likely to have heard of her.Agreed, but as I say above, I think a fair number of people know who/what she is, but do not know her name.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Actually, that's been my experience as well. You're right- people don't recognize the name when I tell them what I'm doing but when I start explaining who she is, they say "Oh, the crazy old lady with the with the long nails?".

She's like all the B-list American sitcom actors- you don't know the name but you know it's "that guy that..." or "that woman who...".

[supercorgi]

If you're taking on faith healers, you might want to check out an organization called the Trinity Foundation (http://www.trinityfi.org/). They're a religious organization but as part of their mandate, they've taken on faith healers like Benny Hinn and investigated them in depth.
They're sort of religious whack jobs but they hate evangelists and faith healers because they consider them frauds and heretics. They publish a magazine called The Door (http://www.thedoormagazine.com/theheretic.html) and as part of their mission they state:

The foundation regularly provides assistance to print and electronic journalists investigating suspected fraud or other abuses of the public trust by members of the religious media. The foundation maintains a private investigative license with the State of Texas and frequently provides undercover operatives to news programs like PrimeTime Live, 60 Minutes, Dateline, CNN Special Reports, 20/20, British Broadcasting Corporation, Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, and Inside Edition, among many others. We have also worked with The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, The Economist, London Independent, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, U.S. News & World Report, and The Dallas Morning News.

I only know about it because Joe Bob Briggs of B-movie fame is a member and contributes articles.

[Macoy]

I have made a habit, these last two years, of asking people at work and non-JREF type friends what they know of Slyvia . Not one non-American person I have asked has admitted knowing who or what she is or ever having heard of the lady. This in no way makes RSL's excellent site less worthwhile. It's just an observation. Perhaps one European target suggests him / herself for the list of candidates?



If Derek Acorah should show his sweaty face above the parapet, he could do with a poke in the eye.

[RSLancastr]

If you're taking on faith healers, you might want to check out an organization called the Trinity Foundation (http://www.trinityfi.org/).Yes, I've dealt with them before, when the Kaz thing was an ongoing concern.

They have a ton of stuff on Hinn, including DVDs of his "prophecies" which failed.

[rjh01]

Robert
Since there are so many websites that detail what these people have done how about someone write a article summarising them? I am thinking of something like below, with an introduction and conclusion. Maybe 50 websites per person.

If you want I could write it, but is my standard of English good enough?

http://www.bible.ca/tongues-popoff-39-17Mhz.htm
This details how Peter was proved a fake by James Randi and Alec Jason in 1986. Peter used his wife to tell him details of the audience via a “hearing aid” Peter had in his ear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y
You tube of James Randi debunking Peter Popoff in 1986

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff
Wikipedia article about Peter Popoff.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=3164858
ABC news dated May 11, 2007 about what happens if you send Peter Popoff money for miracles. He asks for more in exchange for more miracles. Like he sends you “dead sea salt” which is closer to table salt than Dead Sea salt.

http://www.christianissues.com/trickery.html
Peter Popoff is guilty of something known as the "personalized" letter scam (a form of mail fraud). He makes people believe that he is writing to them personally when in fact it is the work of a computer used by his staff who insert a person's info into the text of a pre-written letter (using the person's name, address and prayer request).

[Graham Ross]

The thread title reminds me of this comic book cover (http://www.superdickery.com/dick/211.html)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Stop The Central Scrutinizer.

I can't be stopped. Only contained. :)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I am concentrating on individuals at this time. Phelps, maybe.


To be honest, I think StopFredPhelps would be a waste of time. Why? Think about it - all the other people listed are frauds. But they don't want anyone to know that they are frauds. In the case of Phelps, he is what he is. He's not trying to convince anyone he is anything other than someone who hates gays.

[Dunstan]

Re Benny Hinn: the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. program The Fifth Estate is airing a critical feature on Hinn this Wednesday. There's apparently a video up on their web site (http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/miracles/) already.

[ObscureReferenceMan]

Robert,

It's funny... I read this thread as "who should I stop next". Not until after re-reading your original post, did I see that you already had domains registered.

But still, my "vote" for which to concentrate attention on first is John Edward. He's a local guy (I'm on Long Island) who is one of the worst. Completely takes advantage of people in vulnerable, emotional situations. And I'm fairly sure he knows he's a fraud (a friend of mine knows him, and... well, one story I heard seems to tip the scales).

Anyway, there's my $.02, for what it's worth. Keep up the good work, Robert!

(Oh, and happy birthday!!)

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Robert,

...

But still, my "vote" for which to concentrate attention on first is John Edward. He's a local guy (I'm on Long Island) who is one of the worst. Completely takes advantage of people in vulnerable, emotional situations. And I'm fairly sure he knows he's a fraud (a friend of mine knows him, and... well, one story I heard seems to tip the scales).

Anyway, there's my $.02, for what it's worth. Keep up the good work, Robert!

(Oh, and happy birthday!!)

I agree. As a Queens native, I'm sort of embarrassed to be from the same place as John Edward. Then again, I'm often embarrassed to be from the same species as John Edward.

He does seem too cynical and calculating to believe that he's a legitimate psychic, unlike someone like Rosemary Althea who at least seems to be well-meaning and self-deluded...but do tell.

Edit: and, once again, Happy Birthday!!

[Asolepius]

Is your remit broad enough to take in the sCAM fraudsters? I have been monitoring Joe Mercola (www.mercola.com) for about a year. He has been warned so many times by the FDA his name produces 84 hits when you search their site. Yet he carries on doing the same thing, when he should by rights be in jail.

[Olowkow]

Hrm...The thumb might need some tweaking in the sign, other than that, fantastic.

The middle finger should be longer....:)

[Brown]

Since you have included several Elmer Gantries as possible subjects, you might want to contact the office of Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA). Chuck Grassley is looking into questionable tactics being employed by various televangelists. But these folks take in millions of dollars in a major tax dodging, and they they won't give that up quietly. They will also not hestiate to paint your criticism of them as criticism of the Almighty Himself, as though they and the Almighty are buddy-buddy partners; nor will they hesitate to use the magic words "hate crime."

Chuck Grassley, by the way, is a hard man for a lot of people to read. (As recent reports indicate, including a famous report in the New York Post, a lot of people think Grassley is a hayseed. He isn't. He only talks like a hayseed.) If you want to deal with him, contact me first.From the Des Moines Register (http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080216/NEWS/802160336/1001):A backlash is growing among televangelists against an investigation spearheaded by Sen. Charles Grassley that is probing churches' acquisitions of Rolls Royces, mansions and private jets.

The Iowa Republican is preparing to send out a new round of letters to tax-exempt ministries that have resisted questions he asked in November about their contributions, salaries and spending.
...
Grassley sent letters on Nov. 6 to six media-based ministries [including] Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. in Grapevine, Texas....

Most practice what is known as the "prosperity gospel," promoting the idea that God will grant financial wealth to faithful followers.

Grassley said some of the ministries have complained that their freedom of religion is being violated, and that the Internal Revenue Service is their only authority.
...
[Grassley] said ... staff members from Benny Hinn's ministry are meeting with committee staff.

[Ausmerican]

RSL, while I like the Stop Flim Flam, it is partly because I have read Randis book. Just wondering if a different title such as the earlier mentioned StopSpiritualFraud would get found more easily by the people who need it.
I dn't know the incidence of people typing flim flam into Google but it is probably low. Assuming you get some time beofre time gets him stopPatRobertson.com would be nice. He's probably scammed more money and spread more hate than all of the other four.

[RSLancastr]

RSL, while I like the Stop Flim Flam, it is partly because I have read Randis book. Just wondering if a different title such as the earlier mentioned StopSpiritualFraud would get found more easily by the people who need it. The site will not only cover spiritual fraud. Kevin Trudeau, for instance.

I dn't know the incidence of people typing flim flam into Google but it is probably low.True, but the name of the web site is only one (small) factor in how a site is indexed by search engines. Whatever the site ends up being called, it will be loaded with keywords (such as "spiritual fraud") which will be more along the lines of what people might be searching for.

Also, I believe that the target audiences for each of the sub-sites will find them through searching on the name of the person that subsite focuses on (Sylvia Browne, Benny Hinn, etc).

[Alareth]

Can we get a StopBarney.com? That damn dinosaur has done irreparable damage to the fabric of human society over the years ...

[Niobe]

Trudeau is the biggest target, but tack on revokethemedicallicenceofdoctormehmetoz.com to your todo list.

Edit: Sorry, you could go over that and STOPOPRAH.com (and use the "oh no you didn't" hand gesture)

[DRBUZZ0]

Without getting yelled at for being a self-promoter, (RSL can check out my site which is in my sig)..

I'd like to offer that if RSL or anyone else wants to start a "stop" website which is dedicated to any given area of woo which is destructive, I have room to host it on my account and I also do know a fair ammount of web stuff.

I would be more than happy to donate space on my rented server (it's a dedicated virtual server.. not just shared space) as well as the bandwidth and such. I'll also be more than willing to help out with posting and upkeep or anything, but I can't garentee I'll be able to have the time to do admin stuff myself.

Also you'd have to buy the domain.

I'm just saying that I will offer whatever space and bandwidth I have to the hosting of such a site. I have more than a gig of space I am not using and my bandwidth needs are usually bellow my plan's maximum.

So you can contact me if you'd like a place to post it. It's mostly through Godaddy but I also have some third party security, php extensions and such implemented.

[Susan Gerbic]

Just got all my bookmarks set up to watch RSL in action. This should be interesting!

Susan

[RSLancastr]

Well, don't hold your breath, Susan! These are all several months off.

[Susan Gerbic]

Well, don't hold your breath, Susan! These are all several months off.

Okay, I won't be checking them on a regular basis then. But when they are up I will be ready.

Susan

[Peter S.]

You can stop me if you would like. It's easy, just ask. You don't even have to ask me nicely.

[Susan Gerbic]

STOP in the name of love.....

[SRW]

Here is one that is looks like it is going to be stopped...
I hope he gets a naturally enhanced bunk buddy...



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A federal court jury on Friday found the owner of a company that sells "male enhancement" tablets and other herbal supplements guilty of conspiracy to commit mail fraud, bank fraud and money laundering.


Steve Warshak, whose conviction was reported Friday by The Cincinnati Enquirer, is founder and president of Berkeley Premium Nutraceuticals, which distributes Enzyte and a number of products alleged to boost energy, manage weight, reduce memory loss and aid restful sleep.
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[Miss Whiplash]

To be honest, I think StopFredPhelps would be a waste of time. Why? Think about it - all the other people listed are frauds. But they don't want anyone to know that they are frauds. In the case of Phelps, he is what he is. He's not trying to convince anyone he is anything other than someone who hates gays.

Right now he's protesting the memorial service of Eve Carson (http://http://www.mondoskepto.com/node/199) at UNC-Chapel Hill. Eve was not gay, so what is his point? Oh yeah, god hates America because we somewhat tolerate homosexuality. So god sent two really dumb gang-banger wannabes to kill her.

Why not stop Fred Phelps? I don't understand why so many people just leave him alone to disrupt funerals and memorial services. He may not be a fraud like Sylvia Browne, but like Browne he is hurting people. Phelps may not be well received, but there is still that small minority on the fringe that will hear his rants, think he is A-ok and join his cause. A few kooks added slowly can add up to a whole heap 'o kooks over time. This is yet another cult flying under the guise of Christianity. Why aren't people mooning his "picket ministry?"

Just my thoughts today.

[ksbluesfan]

The Phelps family is filled with lawyers, and they love to take cases to court. They love any attention they get. Even if you think you could win a case easily, it might be more of a headache than it's worth.

[Earthborn]

It would be nice if someone could do something with Char Margolis, because she is getting on my nerves. Trouble is, it probably needs be done in Dutch as she's most famous in the Netherlands. And I don't want to do it.

A nice example of her amazing gifts, uncut:
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[Miss Whiplash]

The Phelps family is filled with lawyers, and they love to take cases to court. They love any attention they get. Even if you think you could win a case easily, it might be more of a headache than it's worth.

The same can be said of Scientology. Why is an exception being made for Phelps? Why are atheists outraged at public display of religious symbols but not Phelps?

BTW- they could sue all they wanted if people mooned them and it would do no good. Mooning, baring only the buttocks, has been ruled legal as freedom of expression. If I could get a few more asses to join me, I would organize a Phelps moon-a-thon.

[Earthborn]

It would be nice if someone could do something with Char Margolis, because she is getting on my nerves. Trouble is, it probably needs be done in Dutch as she's most famous in the Netherlands.It looks like my prayers have been heard. Yesterday the investigative journalism programme "Zembla" (yes, the same one that debunked most Truther claims while introducing the ridiculous Jowenko nonsense on WTC7) has aired a documentary about Char's tricks from a skeptical perspective. Including our dear friend James Randi. But perhaps more importantly, with people who had a reading from Char and changed their minds about it helping them.

For those who want to watch:
Full programme (http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/id/VARA/serie/VARA_101163309/VARA_101163332/bb.20080323.asf) (mostly in Dutch)

Interview with James Randi (http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/vara/tv/zembla/20080319-james_randi-1-hi.asf) (not in documentary)
James Randi analysing Char's reading (http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/vara/tv/zembla/20080319-james_randi-2-hi.asf) (largely in documentary)

[Susan Gerbic]

I watched the Randi analysing the interview, that was mostly in the documentary? I wonder what the response has been?

Susan