Zionism has nothing to do with the real problem: Jews

[1337m4n]

I have to give this Truther credit for coming out and admitting "Jews" were behind it, rather than using the dodgy term "Zionist":

Pardon me, but Smith and Hufschmidt have focused on me more than any of the above you named and they both did so BECAUSE I do focus on the Jew. DBS used my essays “It’s the Jews Stupid,” and “Why I admire Ernbst Zundel,” in an effort to smear me, claimimg that my “It’s the Jews Stupid” approach is what convinced them I’m a Zionist lackey.

DBS and Hufschmidt both want to distract their audience AWAY from the idea that organized Jewry itself is the problem, yes they’ll focus on Zionism, but their Zionism has nothing to do with th4e real problem, Jews.

I encourage anyone and everyone to check out google as it related to “Curt Maynard” and “Daryl Bradford Smith,” you’lll see that I denounced him long ago BECAUSE he refuses to name the Jew as it were. People it’s time for yoiu to wake the hell up, “It’s the Jews Stupid”

Source: This blog, not the original blog post but the responses to it, third post down:http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2007/09/29/discrediting-the-911-truth-movement/

Just below that post is this gem:

Why did Bush lie when he said that 130 jews had died on 911 ?

To cover for the astonishingly small actual number who did die in a city having a very large number of jews who would be overrepresented in the areas of finance, commerce, broking and govt administration in the WTC buildings.

[MaGZ]

How many Jews died in the WTC attacks? What are the estimates?

[Myriad]

How many Jews died in the WTC attacks? What are the estimates?


Interesting how a simple factual question can be, when asked by the "right" person, incredibly offensive.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[twinstead]

I'll bet MaGZ still thinks all the Jews were notified on 9-10 and told not to come to work at the WTC.

Oh, and MaGZ. Do you still think the WTC7 was hit by a missile? I always got a kick out of that one. Good times.

[peteweaver]

Magz, if one jew had died in the attacks it would have been one too many.
no one should have been killed that day, the 19 hijackers should have been stopped.

[MaGZ]

I'll bet MaGZ still thinks all the Jews were notified on 9-10 and told not to come to work at the WTC.

Oh, and MaGZ. Do you still think the WTC7 was hit by a missile? I always got a kick out of that one. Good times.

Some Jews were notified via the Odigo warning: but not all Jews. The message was general in content and did not specifically mention the WTC but indicated a coming disaster in lower Manhattan. The warning was issued that morning two hours before the attacks by Mossad operatives who witnessed the hijackers boarding the planes.

Yes, a missile hit on the south side of WTC 7 at 9:03. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were witnesses to the missile strike in the stairwell next to the service elevator on the south side of WTC 7.

[Anders W. Bonde]

MaGZ:

Care to present us with some evidence?

[Hans]

MaGZ:

Care to present us with some evidence?


Optimistic aren't we?

[Loss Leader]

I received no warning at all on my sooper-sekretic ultra-hassidic decoder ring despite having personally planted four trees in Kfar Etzion when I was fifteen.

[Loss Leader]

How many Jews died in the WTC attacks? What are the estimates?



Figure it out (http://www.september11victims.com/september11victims/victims_list.htm) yourself.

[fuelair]

Some Jews were notified via the Odigo warning: but not all Jews. The message was general in content and did not specifically mention the WTC but indicated a coming disaster in lower Manhattan. The warning was issued that morning two hours before the attacks by Mossad operatives who witnessed the hijackers boarding the planes.

Yes, a missile hit on the south side of WTC 7 at 9:03. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were witnesses to the missile strike in the stairwell next to the service elevator on the south side of WTC 7.

If this wasn't so ridiculous, it might be funny. I'll apologize if I see real (verifiable by real sources)(not anecdotal) evidence.

[MaGZ]

MaGZ:

Care to present us with some evidence?

I have done this in past threads. What specifically do you want?

[AlanGreenspan]

I have done this in past threads. What specifically do you want?

You can start with the evidence supporting this particular claim:

Some Jews were notified via the Odigo warning: but not all Jews.

[AlanGreenspan]

How many dominicans died in the attacks? There's a large population of dominican (or blood related) people living in New York ... I believe Hipolito Mejia's government had something to do with the attacks so he could use them to divert attention from the bank frauds that came two years later.

[MaGZ]

You can start with the evidence supporting this particular claim:
"Some Jews were notified via the Odigo warning: but not all Jews."


Odigo was an instant message service. The warning was issued to individuals who had interests in Jewish topics. According to the Washington Post the Odigo service had a People Finder feature which targeted specific groups omitting others.

[MaGZ]

Interesting how a simple factual question can be, when asked by the "right" person, incredibly offensive.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Simple question: How many Jews died?

Why are there no answers?

[16.5]

Simple question: How many Jews died?

Why are there no answers?

Because you are an anti-semitic bigot and coming from you the question is offensive and completely unworthy of a response?

[Dave Rogers]

Odigo was an instant message service. The warning was issued to individuals who had interests in Jewish topics. According to the Washington Post the Odigo service had a People Finder feature which targeted specific groups omitting others.

Lies, MaGZ. Odigo was an Israel-based instant messaging service. The warning message was received by two employees in Israel. The message didn't identify the target, or any other details of the attack. These "individuals who had interests in Jewish topics" are your own personal fantasy, and a meaningless one at that. As for an instant messaging service that can target specific groups omitting others, isn't that rather the point of being an instant messaging service? If it didn't have that it'd be the BBC World Service.

Dave

[MaGZ]

Because you are an anti-semetic bigot and coming from you the question is offensive and completely unworthy of a response?

You are apparently too afraid to find out the answer.

Some skeptic, some truth seeker.

[Dave Rogers]

Simple question: How many Jews died?

Why are there no answers?

Sorry to tell you this, MaGZ, but the Nuremberg Laws were never implemented in the USA, so people don't have to register as Jewish. I'm not telling you how many confirmed Israelis there were among the dead just so you can go and paint Stars of David on your fridge in celebration. Look it up yourself.

Dave

[ElMondoHummus]

Some Jews were notified via the Odigo warning: but not all Jews. The message was general in content and did not specifically mention the WTC but indicated a coming disaster in lower Manhattan. The warning was issued that morning two hours before the attacks by Mossad operatives who witnessed the hijackers boarding the planes.

Yes, a missile hit on the south side of WTC 7 at 9:03. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were witnesses to the missile strike in the stairwell next to the service elevator on the south side of WTC 7.

The Odigo claim is merely asserted, not supported. I've yet to see anyone actually confirm this.

On top of that, why would Odigo be warned? Weren't they housed at 11 Broadway (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200106/ai_mark01028646), not the WTC?

ETA: Yes, I realize that's close, but that's across the street, right? It's not actually part of the WTC complex, is it?

[MaGZ]

Lies, MaGZ. Odigo was an Israel-based instant messaging service. The warning message was received by two employees in Israel. The message didn't identify the target, or any other details of the attack. These "individuals who had interests in Jewish topics" are your own personal fantasy, and a meaningless one at that. As for an instant messaging service that can target specific groups omitting others, isn't that rather the point of being an instant messaging service? If it didn't have that it'd be the BBC World Service.

Dave

It was reported two individuals in Israel received the message. Others also received the message. Why would only two people in Israel be warned of the coming attacks two hours before they happened and not others?
Do you have a credible answerer or explanation? No you do not.

[AlanGreenspan]

Odigo was an instant message service. The warning was issued to individuals who had interests in Jewish topics. According to the Washington Post the Odigo service had a People Finder feature which targeted specific groups omitting others.

So far this is your opinion, I asked for the evidence that support your opinion. Thanks.

[MaGZ]

The Odigo claim is merely asserted, not supported. I've yet to see anyone actually confirm this.

On top of that, why would Odigo be warned? Weren't they housed at 11 Broadway (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200106/ai_mark01028646), not the WTC?

They had offices in Israel and NYC. The warning was real and turned over to the FBI for investigation.

[AlanGreenspan]

It was reported two individuals in Israel received the message. Others also received the message. Why would only two people in Israel be warned of the coming attacks two hours before they happened and not others?

Ok MaGZ I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, please show us where did you get the information that other people (specifically of Jewish decent in the area of New York), got this message. Another equally interested question is why do you think it was directed at Jewish people and not another segment of the world's population?

[Dave Rogers]

It was reported two individuals in Israel received the message. Others also received the message. Why would only two people in Israel be warned of the coming attacks two hours before they happened and not others?
Do you have a credible answerer or explanation? No you do not.

It was reported that two individuals in Israel received a vague warning that some kind of terrorist strike was about to happen. Nobody has reported anyone else receiving a message. If your speculation that it is irrational for only two people to have received such a message is your only evidence that "The warning was issued to individuals who had interests in Jewish topics", then you're lying by making so specific a claim.

I don't need a credible answer or explanation. I'm stating what was reported. You're making things up.

Dave

[JimBenArm]

"It was reported two individuals in Israel received the message."
Reported by who? When? Why in Israel, was it in danger from the attacks?
Come on, even for an anti-Semite jerk, this is pretty stupid.

[16.5]

You are apparently too afraid to find out the answer.

Some skeptic, some truth seeker.

Wait, the anti-Jewish bigot is calling me out? That is to laugh.

By the way, allow me to let you in on a little secret: I know the answer, but there ain't no way in hell I'm going to tell you.

[MaGZ]

So far this is your opinion, I asked for the evidence that support your opinion. Thanks.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=odigo_inc.

Note: the supposedly antisemitic smear was not reported in the original news report. Jews later add this to coverup the Mossad error.

[Spins]

You are apparently too afraid to find out the answer.

Some skeptic, some truth seeker.
The conspiracy theory you are referring to was thoroughly debunked by the BBC in their documentary called "9/11: The Conspiracy Files"...

...

According to official figures, of the 2,749 victims of the World Trade Centre attacks, 2,071 were occupants of the buildings.

Research by The Conspiracy Files shows that of these 2,071 victims, 119 were confirmed Jewish and a further 72 were believed to be Jewish.

This would make a total of 191 - or 9.2% of victims. This figure is broadly in line with the 9.7% of New York's commuting population which is believed to be Jewish.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6341851.stm#4 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6341851.stm#4)

...any other variation of the same conspiracy theory (Odigo etc) has been made up by you and your loony anti-semitic buddies.

[JimBenArm]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=odigo_inc.

Note: the supposedly antisemitic smear was not reported in the original news report. Jews later add this to coverup the Mossad error.
Do you have any proof of this?

Dear god, why do I even ask. I know the answer...

[Totovader]

It was reported two individuals in Israel received the message. Others also received the message. Why would only two people in Israel be warned of the coming attacks two hours before they happened and not others?
Do you have a credible answerer or explanation? No you do not.

Why?

Why?

It was YOUR claim MaGZ... Why would anyone else need to make it coherent for you?

[Dave Rogers]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=odigo_inc.

Note: the supposedly antisemitic smear was not reported in the original news report. Jews later add this to coverup the Mossad error.

If that's your evidence, then you were lying when you said that "The warning was issued to individuals who had interests in Jewish topics". You're also lying when you say "to cover up the Mossad error".

Dave

[Totovader]

They had offices in Israel and NYC. The warning was real and turned over to the FBI for investigation.

(This is the best part)


What did the FBI find, MaGZ?

[MaGZ]

Ok MaGZ I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, please show us where did you get the information that other people (specifically of Jewish decent in the area of New York), got this message. Another equally interested question is why do you think it was directed at Jewish people and not another segment of the world's population?

I know this by deductive reasoning.

Israel wanted 9/11 to happen; she also wanted to limit Jewish losses.

The Mossad had the hijackers under surveillance. This operation was discovered by the FBI after they retraced the hijackers background in Florida. The FBI and DEA previously uncovered a Mossad operation months earlier in Florida when they broke the Israel Art Student spy ring. In December 2001 agents from the FBI and DEA went to Fox News’ Carl Cameron and gave him the big scoop.

[sackett]

Sieg heil, Mag!

Okay: Let's assume that everything you believe is true. Let's assume that THE JEWS want to run the world for their nefarious Jewish purposes. Let's assume that THE JEWS really do have all the power, influence, money, and sinister connections you think.

Tell me, Mag old fascist: What are you going to do about it?

[Drudgewire]

Neither Zionism nor jewry has anything to do with the REAL problem:

SLOWPOKES IN THE PASSING LANE!! http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/fist4su.gif

[MaGZ]

It was reported that two individuals in Israel received a vague warning that some kind of terrorist strike was about to happen. Nobody has reported anyone else receiving a message. If your speculation that it is irrational for only two people to have received such a message is your only evidence that "The warning was issued to individuals who had interests in Jewish topics", then you're lying by making so specific a claim.

I don't need a credible answer or explanation. I'm stating what was reported. You're making things up.

Dave

Again you can not explain why the Odigo warning was issued. You are afraid to go down this path and seek answers. You enjoy your own ignorance. You have no answers. I do.

[MaGZ]

The conspiracy theory you are referring to was thoroughly debunked by the BBC in their documentary called "9/11: The Conspiracy Files"...

...any other variation of the same conspiracy theory (Odigo etc) has been made up by you and your loony anti-semitic buddies.

You claim only 9-10 % of the deaths were Jews and that is represented of the percentages of Jews in the NYC area. What a joke.

[Stellafane]

How many Jews died in the WTC attacks? What are the estimates?

Hi Magz. I don't know how many Jews died in 9/11. I'll go even further: I don't care how many died, beyond my general outrage for every single victim murdered that day. The question is as meaningless to me as asking how many gay Albanians died. You see, I have no reason at all to believe that Jews were either preferentially excluded or over-represented among the 9/11 dead. You, on the other hand, seem to be implying that Jews were warned before the attacks occurred. If so, they should be under-represented among the victims, right?

Now since you're the one making the claim (Jews were warned), it's up to you to research the facts (how many Jews died). And if those facts support your claims, they're called (wait for it...) evidence. See how it works? Make a claim, explore the facts, present evidence. That's how it's done in the real world.

If you think like an adult, you've read this post all the way through and maybe, just maybe, it's made you pause for a moment and think. But if you think like a child, you probably stopped reading after I wrote "I don't know" and are already busily writing something like "You don't know??? Some debunker you are!! PWNED!!" But unfortunately for you, truth is not advanced by how many smarmy "gotcha!" points you earn on some internet forum. Instead, it's advanced via claims backed up by evidence -- evidence that can be examined, debated, and verified.

So I guess the choice is up to you: join the adults, and eventually come to discover how the universe really works. Or stay with the children, and continue to live in your bizarre, hate-filled little fantasy world.

[DGM]

You claim only 9-10 % of the deaths were Jews and that is represented of the percentages of Jews in the NYC area. What a joke.
What are your numbers with documentation of course?

[Jonnyclueless]

Again, you can not explain what the warning was or how you know i was mossad agents or how they watched the hijackers board the planes, etc etc. In fact MaGZ, you have yet to explain ANYTHING other than provide a link to a Woo site which also does nothing to explain any of it. Instead you just use your own personal conjecture to fill in the blanks about the dirty JEW- er I mean "Zionists".

BTW, can you tell us how many Aboriganese tribesmen died in the WTC attacks?

[MaGZ]

(This is the best part)


What did the FBI find, MaGZ?

It did not make it into the 9/11 Report. Jew Zelikow would not allow it.

[Dave Rogers]

Again you can not explain why the Odigo warning was issued. You are afraid to go down this path and seek answers. You enjoy your own ignorance. You have no answers. I do.

So there we have it, rationality according to the MaGZ standard. If you don't know the answers, simply make some up according to your prejudices.

MaGZ, you call me afraid, but you are the coward, hiding behind your racism so as to eliminate every shred of uncertainty from your life. If you blame the Jews for all the evil in the world, then there's never the slightest risk that you might get anything wrong yourself.

http://www.amiright.com/parody/misc/raycharles10.shtml

Dave

[AlanGreenspan]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=odigo_inc.

Note: the supposedly antisemitic smear was not reported in the original news report. Jews later add this to coverup the Mossad error.

There is no evidence of your claims in that link, just an error 404 page.

I know this by deductive reasoning.

So basically it's just speculation on your behalf. While deductive reasoning can provide you with a starting point, unless you backup your conclusions with actual evidence all you are doing is speculating. Let me know when you move on from speculation and ready to present the evidence that support your claims.

Israel wanted 9/11 to happen; she also wanted to limit Jewish losses.

The Mossad had the hijackers under surveillance. This operation was discovered by the FBI after they retraced the hijackers background in Florida. The FBI and DEA previously uncovered a Mossad operation months earlier in Florida when they broke the Israel Art Student spy ring. In December 2001 agents from the FBI and DEA went to Fox News’ Carl Cameron and gave him the big scoop.

And you figured this out by "deductive reasoning" too? Let's do something, first you present the evidence for the first claim you made and then you move on to making additional ones. You know, just to keep a minimum of coherence.

[AlanGreenspan]

Using MaGZ standard (or as he wishes to call it, "deductive reasoning") I formally accuse the dominican government of orchestrating 9/11 to divert attention from the bank frauds that happened during 2003.

[Jonnyclueless]

Error 404 is an error code for "The Jews did it!" Everyone knows that.

[Totovader]

It did not make it into the 9/11 Report. Jew Zelikow would not allow it.

I didn't ask whether it made it into the Commission Report or not- MaGZ, I asked you what the FBI found.

Can you answer that question?

[aggle-rithm]

It did not make it into the 9/11 Report. Jew Zelikow would not allow it.

He also wouldn't allow my recipe for pulled pork fritters in the report.

Lousy Jew!

[MaGZ]

There is no evidence of your claims in that link, just an error 404 page.



So basically it's just speculation on your behalf. While deductive reasoning can provide you with a starting point, unless you backup your conclusions with actual evidence all you are doing is speculating. Let me know when you move on from speculation and ready to present the evidence that support your claims.



And you figured this out by "deductive reasoning" too? Let's do something, first you present the evidence for the first claim you made and then you move on to making additional ones. You know, just to keep a minimum of coherence.

You are one of many on this forum who ask for evidence and when provided you ignore it. You can find the answers yourself if you really want to know. Searching "Washington Post" and "Odigo warning" for starters. Then try "Israeli Art Students" and "Fox News."

Do your own research since I now know you will reject any evidence that I can provide.

[dudalb]

Ya know, I am running out of good reasons for tolerating MaGZ and his bigotry on this website.
I know about it is better to expose his ideas for what they are,but that is running very thin with me.

[Dave Rogers]

You can find the answers yourself if you really want to know. Searching "Washington Post" and "Odigo warning" for starters.

I didn't find anything saying that "The warning was issued to individuals who had interests in Jewish topics". Either provide a cite or admit you were lying.

Dave

[Totovader]

Ya know, I am running out of good reasons for tolerating MaGZ and his bigotry on this website.
I know about it is better to expose his ideas for what they are,but that is running very thin with me.

Is there anyone that really takes him seriously, though?

[MaGZ]

I didn't ask whether it made it into the Commission Report or not- MaGZ, I asked you what the FBI found.

Can you answer that question?

The top people at the FBI (not the local agents) have been protecting Israel from day one. They know Israel was responsible for the anthrax attacks and know Israel had prior knowledge to 9/11.

You expect them to reply to their investigation on the Odigo message warning and finally tell the truth?

[Totovader]

The top people at the FBI (not the local agents) have been protecting Israel from day one. They know Israel was responsible for the anthrax attacks and know Israel had prior knowledge to 9/11.

You expect them to reply to their investigation on the Odigo message warning and finally tell the truth?

This is not an answer to my question, MaGZ.

You said that the FBI had investigated your Odigo claim. I asked you what the FBI found. Now you're backtracking and pretending like it doesn't matter.

Can you answer the question, or not?

[Loss Leader]

Simple question: How many Jews died?

Why are there no answers?


Why would we even be expected to know?

How would we be able to know?

I posted a link for you to a list of all of the victims of 9/11 with biographical information about each person. Since people don't register their religion here in the US, you can use this information to figure it out for yourself.

Don't accuse people here of avoiding a question that you have exactly the same ability to try to answer as they do.

Find out for yourself and report your conclusions.

I'll be waiting. And I'll be waiting a long time because you won't do it.

[sackett]

Is there anyone that really takes him seriously, though?

Well, I kinda, sorta take his type seriously. To be sure, all Mag seems to do is mooch around the internet kidding himself and making dingbat posts on forums. But sometimes even the veriest ninny can get ugly. Probably he'll do no worse than spray lopsided swastikas on Jewish tombstones -- but maybe he'll get terminally worked up, grab his ski mask and clapped-out SKS, and shoot up a mall. Or he may incite some unbalanced teenager to do it. Sitz like that happens.

That's why I dare him to tell me outright just what he's really going to do to thwart the International Jew. I'd like to establish a baseline here.

Mag? Still with us?

[AlanGreenspan]

You are one of many on this forum who ask for evidence and when provided you ignore it. You can find the answers yourself if you really want to know. Searching "Washington Post" and "Odigo warning" for starters. Then try "Israeli Art Students" and "Fox News."

Do your own research since I now know you will reject any evidence that I can provide.

MaGZ, the only "evidence" you have supplied so far was a link to an Error 404 page ... do you consider an Error 404 page to be evidence of your claims? If you do, your standards are quite low even for the average truther.

Why should I be making those google searches? If I was the one making the claims it would make sense, but it was you who made them ... shouldn't you be the one who provides the evidence of your own claims? If it is so hard for you to find such evidence, why don't you just admit the possibility that perhaps your speculation, er "deductive reasoning", led you to an incorrect conclusion?

[twinstead]

If it is so hard for you to find such evidence, why don't you just admit the possibility that perhaps your speculation, er "deductive reasoning", led you to an incorrect conclusion?

Couple his speculation with an undying, irrational bias and the answer should be obvious.

[ElMondoHummus]

Edited: Whoops. Redo... will post this when it's corrected.

[ElMondoHummus]

Okay, here's my fixed post:

They had offices in Israel and NYC. The warning was real and turned over to the FBI for investigation.

Okay, I've seen the claim that the Odigo employees got warnings confirmed. But, what did they get warnings about?


... that two employees of Odigo (http://www.odigo.org/) (an Israeli-based instant messaging company, bought by the New York-based company Comverse (http://www.comverse.com/) in May 2002) in Israel received warning of the attacks two hours in advance. This sounds extremely interesting... until you learn that the warnings didn’t actually mention the World Trade Center (http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,64334,00.html)or give any other details (http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/8471_893851). In other words, it was just a generic "Death to Israel! Death to America!" threat, which happens on a daily basis in Israel. Kind of like how the White House gets several threats to assassinate the President a day.

(Source: http://www.nocturne.org/~terry/wtc_4000_Israeli.html)

I'd like to see support for the claim that indicated "a coming disaster in lower Manhattan", as well as the one saying "... warning was issued that morning two hours before the attacks by Mossad operatives who witnessed the hijackers boarding the planes." Because everything I'm finding doesn't support either of those claims.

[ElMondoHummus]

Oh, by the way:


Yes, a missile hit on the south side of WTC 7 at 9:03. Barry Jennings and Michael Hess were witnesses to the missile strike in the stairwell next to the service elevator on the south side of WTC 7.

Incorrect. No missile was involved. No damage even came close to indicating a missile strike. None of the testimony Jennings or Hess gave indicate a missile (unless you choose to misread it). No military aircraft was spotted that could have fired the missile. No debris consistent with a missile use was recovered.

Just for the record.

[Loss Leader]

No debris consistent with a missile use was recovered.


Nor is there even a type fighter-carried missile large enough to do the damage observed.

[Jonnyclueless]

The top people at the FBI (not the local agents) have been protecting Israel from day one. They know Israel was responsible for the anthrax attacks and know Israel had prior knowledge to 9/11.

You expect them to reply to their investigation on the Odigo message warning and finally tell the truth?

LOL!!!

:dl:

[twinstead]

Glad to see that MaGZ still, regardless of total lack of legitimate evidence to support it, believes that a missile struck WTC7.

Say true to yourself, MaGZ. Don't let these debunkers with their constant asking for silly evidence get you down. Don't let these debunkers get away with calling you on that whole paranoid bigot thing.

BE who you are. Revel in your ignorance. Life's too short for boring stuff like rationality and accountability and...uh...sanity.

You ROCK!

[Jonnyclueless]

I'm laughing because I am picturing the conversation that must have gone on in the planner of that caper. "Uh yea, so let's try to take the building down with a missile. We'll fire it in front of millions of people and jsut hope for the best. Taking buildings down with missiles is all the rage these days. "

[ElMondoHummus]

Nor is there even a type fighter-carried missile large enough to do the damage observed.

Wait a minute. I thought the SLAM (Stand-off Land Attack Missile) existed for attacking buildings. Not that it could've conceivably been used on WTC 7; from what I recall during Gulf I, the results were pretty spectacular and unmistakable. Not (*Explosion*), then multi-hour wait until collapse.

Well, we got Air Force guys here. They can straighten out whatever I've gotten wrong.

[Loss Leader]

Wait a minute. I thought the SLAM (Stand-off Land Attack Missile) existed for attacking buildings.


MaGZ thinks that a fighter jet fired an air-to-air missile at ... something ... and that the missile then got lost, loitered around New York City for a minute, ran out of fuel and hit WTC7.

Also, it's all somehow the fault of the Jews.

[Jonnyclueless]

..a fighter jet fired an air-to-air missile at ... something ... and that the missile then got lost, loitered around New York City for a minute, ran out of fuel and hit WTC7.




As per usual.

[ElMondoHummus]

MaGZ thinks that a fighter jet fired an air-to-air missile at ... something ... and that the missile then got lost, loitered around New York City for a minute, ran out of fuel and hit WTC7.

Also, it's all somehow the fault of the Jews.


Yeah, and he also cites reports of Jews driving around a van with explosives. Why those would be needed if they attacked with a missile, I'll never know... maybe they only had the one missile?? Or they were taking them away 'cause they knew the missile was coming?? :D But regardless, he does cite those. In error, given the later retractions, but that doesn't stop him. :oldroll:

Anyway, seriously, I was simply pointing out that I thought there was a missile in existence that could conceivably bring down a building (One as large as WTC 7? Well, I don't know; I'm no military expert. The AF or Navy guys here would have to school me on that). Just keep in mind that that is far from me buying into MaGZ's silly claim of a missile being actually being used on September 11th. With all those cameras and witnesses around, anyone here seriously think that would go unnoticed? Missile use at the WTC or Pentagon is completely a fantasy; zero hard evidence exists, and to even inductively reason that one was used, you'd have to bend over so far backwards you'd snap your spine. But, the fact the SLAM exists was my only real point.

Now, about Odigo... where did the info come that said the warnings specified Manhattan? That's the next question I want answered.

[MaGZ]

Yeah, and he also cites reports of Jews driving around a van with explosives. Why those would be needed if they attacked with a missile, I'll never know... maybe they only had the one missile?? Or they were taking them away 'cause they knew the missile was coming?? :D But regardless, he does cite those. In error, given the later retractions, but that doesn't stop him. :oldroll:

Anyway, seriously, I was simply pointing out that I thought there was a missile in existence that could conceivably bring down a building (One as large as WTC 7? Well, I don't know; I'm no military expert. The AF or Navy guys here would have to school me on that). Just keep in mind that that is far from me buying into MaGZ's silly claim of a missile being actually being used on September 11th. With all those cameras and witnesses around, anyone here seriously think that would go unnoticed? Missile use at the WTC or Pentagon is completely a fantasy; zero hard evidence exists, and to even inductively reason that one was used, you'd have to bend over so far backwards you'd snap your spine. But, the fact the SLAM exists was my only real point.

Now, about Odigo... where did the info come that said the warnings specified Manhattan? That's the next question I want answered.

You are a liar.
I have never claimed Jews were driving around NYC with explosives on 9/11.

[MaGZ]

MaGZ thinks that a fighter jet fired an air-to-air missile at ... something ... and that the missile then got lost, loitered around New York City for a minute, ran out of fuel and hit WTC7.

Also, it's all somehow the fault of the Jews.

You are a liar.
I have never said the missile that struck WTC 7 was the fault of the Jews or had anything to do with Jews.

[MaGZ]

MaGZ, the only "evidence" you have supplied so far was a link to an Error 404 page ... do you consider an Error 404 page to be evidence of your claims? If you do, your standards are quite low even for the average truther.

Why should I be making those google searches? If I was the one making the claims it would make sense, but it was you who made them ... shouldn't you be the one who provides the evidence of your own claims? If it is so hard for you to find such evidence, why don't you just admit the possibility that perhaps your speculation, er "deductive reasoning", led you to an incorrect conclusion?

Here is your link.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/wpost092801.html

The Odigo service includes a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out and contact others based on certain interests or demographics. Diamandis said Thursday that it was possible the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.

[Billdave2]

You are a liar.
I have never said the missile that struck WTC 7 was the fault of the Jews or had anything to do with Jews.

OK I know I am going to regret this but can you please explain this? Your OP was that "a little jew" was put in charge to cover "jewish involvement" in 9/11. You also claim that a missle hit WTC, but the "jews" had nothing to do with the missle. So it was just a coincidence that this mystery missle hit WTC 7 on the same day that the "jews" pulled off 9/11? I think you need to rethink this. I mean beyond the usual hateful prejudice parts.

[Spins]

You claim only 9-10 % of the deaths were Jews and that is represented of the percentages of Jews in the NYC area. What a joke.
What's a joke? The fact that, in your words, "only 9-10 % of the deaths were Jews", should it have been more? Come on MaGZ (you little Stormtrooper you) I know it pails in comparison to the holocaust but beggars can't be choosers right? So put down the gun and take that cyanide capsule out of your mouth ... heil Hitler!

Anyways here's the full debunking of your Odigo conspiracy theory...
2KQ0KuyduXk
BTW it was the BBC, not me, who did the research and made that claim, in the process thoroughly debunking the (ridiculous) myth that no Jews died in the WTC ... you are wrong (on everything) and the BBC are right, deal with it!

[mrbaracuda]

I'm missing my post in here? Hm. Strange. I bet zee Joos are in on it!

[MaGZ]

OK I know I am going to regret this but can you please explain this? Your OP was that "a little jew" was put in charge to cover "jewish involvement" in 9/11. You also claim that a missle hit WTC, but the "jews" had nothing to do with the missle. So it was just a coincidence that this mystery missle hit WTC 7 on the same day that the "jews" pulled off 9/11? I think you need to rethink this. I mean beyond the usual hateful prejudice parts.

I have never claimed the Jews had anything to do with the attacks on 9/11 other than prior knowledge of the coming events and LIHOP. AQ was responsible for 9/11.

The missile strike on WTC 7 had nothing to do with Jews. The missile was fired by Otis fighters in an attempt to bring down the second plane: Flight 175.

I have taken a lot of abuse for my beliefs and research on this forum, but I will not allow people to claim things I did not say.

[MaGZ]

What's a joke? The fact that, in your words, "only 9-10 % of the deaths were Jews", should it have been more? Come on MaGZ (you little Stormtrooper you) I know it pails in comparison to the holocaust but beggars can't be choosers right? So put down the gun and take that cyanide capsule out of your mouth ... heil Hitler!

Anyways here's the full debunking of your Odigo conspiracy theory...
2KQ0KuyduXk
BTW it was the BBC, not me, who did the research and made that claim, in the process thoroughly debunking the (ridiculous) myth that no Jews died in the WTC ... you are wrong (on everything) and the BBC are right, deal with it!

I have never claimed no Jews died in the WTC attacks, only that some in the NYC area were warned via the Odigo message service.

[ElMondoHummus]

You are a liar.
I have never claimed Jews were driving around NYC with explosives on 9/11.


Oh, sonuvagun, you're right! You said New Jersey!

One of the dancing Israelis that were arrested in the White Van and held by the FBI for weeks, later said in an interview on Israeli television that they were waiting in New Jersey to film the attacks on the WTC. The FBI has confirmed at least two of the Israelis arrested were Mossad agents.

[dudalb]

Whenever I think of MaGZ images of Kenneth Mars as Franz in The Producers springs to mind.

[MaGZ]

Oh, sonuvagun, you're right! You said New Jersey!

I have never said these Jews had explosives in their van or had anything to do with the attacks. They claimed on Israeli televison they were there to document the event. Apparently they knew the attacks were coming.

[Undesired Walrus]

How many Jews died in the WTC attacks? What are the estimates?

Not enough?

[Totovader]

This is not an answer to my question, MaGZ.

You said that the FBI had investigated your Odigo claim. I asked you what the FBI found. Now you're backtracking and pretending like it doesn't matter.

Can you answer the question, or not?

*bump*

[MaGZ]

*bump*

To my knowledge the FBI never issued a report on the Odigo warning. If you know of one then present it.

[Drudgewire]

Whenever I see a MaGZ thread, my VERY first thought is of this classic moment from perhaps the best episode of The Larry Sanders Show ever (about two minutes in.... NWS due to strong language):

Larry Sanders episode 84: Adolf Hankler Quiz Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu6eRf092N8)

Game show host Adolf Hankler: For $200, Ze cause of ze sinking of ze Titanic?

Contestant #1: What is an iceberg?

AH: No, I'm sorry. Ze correct response is "vat ver ze Jews!"


If you've never seen it, watch all three parts because Hank interacting with Wu-Tang Clan is mind-blowingly funny. :D

[Jonnyclueless]

Here is your link.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/wpost092801.html

Wow, how could anyone have doubted you. There's the smoking gun. Have you considered going to the police with this evidence? I don't see how they can deny such concrete evidence. I think you should go after this.

[ElMondoHummus]

I have never said these Jews had explosives in their van or had anything to do with the attacks. They claimed on Israeli televison they were there to document the event. Apparently they knew the attacks were coming.

You believed in the parts of the news reports that the white van was stopped and that the passengers were arrested, but you don't believe the parts of those same (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/dan-rather-reports-explosives-in-truck-on-911/2499253787) news reports (http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/12/story23429.asp) that claimed explosives?

Well, I'll give you this much: You really do know how to separate out elements of the conspiracy myths. Congratulations for getting at least one thing right, that no explosives were found in the van.

Now, about those Israelis:

http://911myths.com/html/dancing_israelis.html

No foreknowledge. That you have claimed ("Apparently they knew the attacks were coming"). Evidence points to them not knowing about the attack ahead of time, including the fact that they didn't start filming until well after the first plane hit.


What’s more, if you look at the full 20/20 transcript from which this story is derived, you find that Maria says she saw the van park after she’d been watching the WTC for a few minutes. And so they did not film the first impact.


So, they were sent to America with foreknowledge of the event, but got there late? Sloppy on their part, huh?

(For other participants here - further info:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2307304#post2307304
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=94942)

[Totovader]

To my knowledge the FBI never issued a report on the Odigo warning. If you know of one then present it.

That contradicts your entire claim- furthermore, the burden of proof is on you, since it was your claim...

[Jonnyclueless]

Did anyone mention that there were indeed Jews that died in the WTC?

[MaGZ]

That contradicts your entire claim- furthermore, the burden of proof is on you, since it was your claim...

The FBI was informed of the Odigo warning after it was received in Israel. To my knowledge they did not report on their investigation.

[jhunter1163]

He also wouldn't allow my recipe for pulled pork fritters in the report.

Lousy Jew!

Would you mind terribly PMing that to me? Thanks!

[JimBenArm]

Did anyone mention that there were indeed Jews that died in the WTC?
But you're missing the important part here. There weren't enough Jews that died that day! See, they're still running around, plotting their Jewish plots to spring on us, so it's obvious that they had to have been warned not to go to the WTC that day, since it's common knowledge that all the Jews go to the WTC every day before they fly to Israel to do their Goyim baby sacrifices that afternoon. But 10 or 12 didn't get the message or something, and wound up there, which is why you're confused.

[Totovader]

The FBI was informed of the Odigo warning after it was received in Israel. To my knowledge they did not report on their investigation.

Then how do you know it was covered up by "the Jews"?

[MaGZ]

But you're missing the important part here. There weren't enough Jews that died that day! See, they're still running around, plotting their Jewish plots to spring on us, so it's obvious that they had to have been warned not to go to the WTC that day, since it's common knowledge that all the Jews go to the WTC every day before they fly to Israel to do their Goyim baby sacrifices that afternoon. But 10 or 12 didn't get the message or something, and wound up there, which is why you're confused.

The point is Israel was willing to sacrifice 3,000 American that day (some of them were Jews) in order to assure the US would eventually go to war with Israel’s enemies. Israel could have told the CIA and FBI what they learned in their surveillance of the hijackers in Florida but they did not. Israel LIHOP.

[Totovader]

The point is Israel was willing to sacrifice 3,000 American that day (some of them were Jews) in order to assure the US would eventually go to war with Israel’s enemies. Israel could have told the CIA and FBI what they learned in their surveillance of the hijackers in Florida but they did not. Israel LIHOP.

Does it bother you that your "point" has absolutely no evidence whatsoever?

[MaGZ]

Then how do you know it was covered up by "the Jews"?

The FBI is in no position to tell what they know concerning the truth of 9/11 or the anthrax attacks. Maybe there were no Jews at the head of the Justice Department making this decision, however the results are the same: silence and protection of Israel.

[Loss Leader]

You are a liar.
I have never said the missile that struck WTC 7 was the fault of the Jews or had anything to do with Jews.


Okay. I retract my former statement and correct it as follows:

While MaGZ thinks most everything that ever happened everywhere was and is the fault of the Jews, this excludes his thoughts about the missile that he imagines to have hit WTC7.

[Jonnyclueless]

The point is Israel was willing to sacrifice 3,000 American that day (some of them were Jews) in order to assure the US would eventually go to war with Israel’s enemies. Israel could have told the CIA and FBI what they learned in their surveillance of the hijackers in Florida but they did not. Israel LIHOP.

Your imagination is noted.

[Dave Rogers]

I have never claimed no Jews died in the WTC attacks, only that some in the NYC area were warned via the Odigo message service.

Yes, but even that's a lie, isn't it? Two Odigo employees in Israel reported messages. The suggestion that anyone in or near New York was warned is just something you've made up. In other words, you're lying.

Dave

[twinstead]

The FBI is in no position to tell what they know concerning the truth of 9/11 or the anthrax attacks. Maybe there were no Jews at the head of the Justice Department making this decision, however the results are the same: silence and protection of Israel.

Nice. Have your cake and eat it too. If no evidence exists is simply means it's been covered up, huh? Absence of evidence is NOT evidence. I think my 7 year old could whip you in a debate.

Maybe you just have no idea what you are talking about and covering up your rhetorical shortcomings, shall we say, by combining conjecture with bigotry in some kind of freakish, toxic stew. Ever thought of that?

[dudalb]

Yes, but even that's a lie, isn't it? Two Odigo employees in Israel reported messages. The suggestion that anyone in or near New York was warned is just something you've made up. In other words, you're lying.

Dave

MaGZ lying?
What else is new?

[Redtail]

How many Jews died in the WTC attacks? What are the estimates?

... How many creationists died in the WTC attacks? How many scientologists? Blaxploitation stars? (from the 70's of course.) Ooo! How about members of the porn industry!?!?

[SpitfireIX]

I have never said these Jews had explosives in their van or had anything to do with the attacks. They claimed on Israeli televison they were there to document the event. Apparently they knew the attacks were coming.


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/170604796803f95b43.jpg


This claim of yours has been thoroughly debunked here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=104118), yet you continue to parrot it.

As I noted in the linked thread, what the interviewee actually said was, "Our purpose was to document the event." Your paraphrase implies, as you have repeatedly, that this quotation should be read, "Our purpose [in being in America] was to document the event." However, another perfectly reasonable reading is, "Our purpose [in taking the pictures] was to document the event." As noted by me and others, thousands of cameras in the NYC area were trained on the WTC at the same time as that of the Israelis was, for the purpose of documenting the event.

Did everyone else with a camera have foreknowledge too, MaGZ?

[MaGZ]

Okay. I retract my former statement and correct it as follows:

While MaGZ thinks most everything that ever happened everywhere was and is the fault of the Jews, this excludes his thoughts about the missile that he imagines to have hit WTC7.

That also is not correct, but I do know the history of the Jews.

[MaGZ]

Nice. Have your cake and eat it too. If no evidence exists is simply means it's been covered up, huh? Absence of evidence is NOT evidence. I think my 7 year old could whip you in a debate.

Maybe you just have no idea what you are talking about and covering up your rhetorical shortcomings, shall we say, by combining conjecture with bigotry in some kind of freakish, toxic stew. Ever thought of that?

The evidence within the FBI does exist. That is why the local FBI and DEA agents approached Carl Cameron at Fox News. They presented him with the evidence: in particular the correlation of addresses with the home addresses of the hijackers and the Israel Art Student spy ring addresses that was conducting the surveillance.

[JimBenArm]

The point is Israel was willing to sacrifice 3,000 American that day (some of them were Jews) in order to assure the US would eventually go to war with Israel’s enemies. Israel could have told the CIA and FBI what they learned in their surveillance of the hijackers in Florida but they did not. Israel LIHOP.
Isn't it funny that the supposed superior Aryans keep getting their butts kicked by us mongrels? Guess it's all that in-breeding...

[Arus808]

I do know the history of the Jews.

by your various posts of your hate filled racist remarks, NO, you dont know the history of the "jews" or its people, or the culture. So stop lying.

[AlanGreenspan]

Here is your link.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/wpost092801.html

Let's take a look at your claim, the one that prompted me to ask for the evidence that supports it: "Some Jews were notified via the Odigo warning: but not all Jews."

Now let's take a look at the article you are linking to:

The incident was also the subject of a report in the Ha'aretz daily newspaper in Israel, which on Wednesday quoted Odigo CEO Micha Macover as saying that "two workers received the messages predicting the attack would happen."

First you say that some jews were warned about the attacks, and when asked for evidence you link to an article that specifically states that two workers from an Israel based company received the warning ... this "evidence" of yours is not supporting your claim at all so far.

Diamandis today in a telephone interview also said the warning message did not identify the World Trade Center as the attack target.

Are you sure this is article is supporting your claim? I think you pasted the wrong link ... again.

Diamandis said Thursday that it was possible the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo members, but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the message.

So from a possibility you jumped to the affirmation that the message was specifically targeted at jews while ignoring the fact that no other people have reported receiving the message ... let me guess, more "deductive reasoning"?

As I said, I think you pasted the wrong link because if anything this article is a rebuttal of your claims. But hey, at least it was not an Error 404 page.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So from a possibility you jumped to the affirmation that the message was specifically targeted at jews while ignoring the fact that no other people have reported receiving the message ...


Rule of Woo #284: If it's possible, it's probably true.

[Dave Rogers]

Rule of Woo #284: If it's possible, it's probably Jews.

Fixed that for you.

Dave

[Jonnyclueless]

That also is not correct, but I do know the history of the Jews.

And we know the history of nutjobs.

[Elizabeth I]

How many dominicans died in the attacks? There's a large population of dominican (or blood related) people living in New York ... I believe Hipolito Mejia's government had something to do with the attacks so he could use them to divert attention from the bank frauds that came two years later.

Oh, or what about Puerto Ricans? Or Irish people? Or Italians?

Lies, MaGZ. Odigo was an Israel-based instant messaging service. The warning message was received by two employees in Israel. The message didn't identify the target, or any other details of the attack. These "individuals who had interests in Jewish topics" are your own personal fantasy, and a meaningless one at that. As for an instant messaging service that can target specific groups omitting others, isn't that rather the point of being an instant messaging service? If it didn't have that it'd be the BBC World Service.

Dave

I sometimes have an "interest in Jewish topics," and I didn't get a single message.

You are a liar.
I have never said the missile that struck WTC 7 was the fault of the Jews or had anything to do with Jews.

You are a liar.
I have never claimed Jews were driving around NYC with explosives on 9/11.

But...but...but...I thought EVERYTHING was the fault of the Jews!

Then how do you know it was covered up by "the Jews"?

Because EVERYTHING is covered up by the Jews.

[Totovader]

The FBI is in no position to tell what they know concerning the truth of 9/11 or the anthrax attacks. Maybe there were no Jews at the head of the Justice Department making this decision, however the results are the same: silence and protection of Israel.

You continue to dodge the question.

You seem to be indicating here that you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support your earlier claims.

In that case, why should I believe you? Just because you hate with a passion is no reason for me to buy the crap you're selling... in fact, it's a good reason for me to be skeptical of what you're saying- don't you think?

Maybe you're too strongly influenced by your hate to make any sort of objective observations?

Have you considered this possibility- especially in light of the fact that you're entirely incapable of supporting your position with the smallest shred of evidence?

[mrbaracuda]

I'm missing my post in here? Hm. Strange. I bet zee Joos are in on it!

Oh nevermind me. Too many Joo-threads in here at the moment! :o

[mrbaracuda]

Game show host Adolf Hankler: For $200, Ze cause of ze sinking of ze Titanic?

Contestant #1: What is an iceberg?

AH: No, I'm sorry. Ze correct response is "vat ver ze Jews!"

A zmall grroop ov peeple zat contrrol all zee worrld's munney? :D

If you've never seen it, watch all three parts because Hank interacting with Wu-Tang Clan is mind-blowingly funny. :D

Wil do that then I guess. ;)

[westprog]

Some Jews were notified via the Odigo warning: but not all Jews.

The "no Jews went to work that day" is almost the origin of the WTC conspiracy theories. It's been more thoroughly debunked than almost anything else. The names of the Jews killed in the WTC have been extensively documented - conversely, not a single Jew who failed to turn up that day has been identified. (Which shows the laziness of conspiracy theorists - surely somebody would have been off sick or off site for some reason?)

When this was mooted on another site, I suggested that all the Jews must have been notified on JewNet, the secret communication system known only to Jews. I thought it was ridiculous enough to be self-debunking. Now I realise that there's no such thing. Nothing is self-evidently nonsensical in the conspiracy world.

[gtc]

It did not make it into the 9/11 Report. Jew Zelikow would not allow it.

I like the way that anti-semites use the word 'Jew' as an insult.

[JimBenArm]

I like the way that anti-semites use the word 'Jew' as an insult.
Hey, let's all change our names to that. I can be Jew Jim, you can be Jew gtc, there can be Jew LashL, etc.
Bet that would make him happy. Knowing we're all one of THEM!
Also, we would have to change his name to AryanMaGZ, so we can be reminded of the background he comes from. You know, the superior race that loses to all the inferior ones...

[Foolmewunz]

I have done this in past threads. What specifically do you want?

Your medical records, particularly the meds they have you on at the out-patient clinic.

[gtc]

Hey, let's all change our names to that. I can be Jew Jim, you can be Jew gtc, there can be Jew LashL, etc.
Bet that would make him happy. Knowing we're all one of THEM!
Also, we would have to change his name to AryanMaGZ, so we can be reminded of the background he comes from. You know, the superior race that loses to all the inferior ones...

I like the ring of Jew Jim but I think that MaGZ probably already assumes that we are Jews.

[twinstead]

I like the ring of Jew Jim but I think that MaGZ probably already assumes that we are Jews.

Of course teh jooooos!

What else could we be?

[Billdave2]

Hey, let's all change our names to that. I can be Jew Jim, you can be Jew gtc, there can be Jew LashL, etc.
Bet that would make him happy. Knowing we're all one of THEM!
Also, we would have to change his name to AryanMaGZ, so we can be reminded of the background he comes from. You know, the superior race that loses to all the inferior ones...

What about those of us who are not jews, but aren't raging anti-semites (or even non raging anti-semites)? Do we get a name too? How about Jew-lover Billdave2?

[JimBenArm]

What about those of us who are not jews, but aren't raging anti-semites (or even non raging anti-semites)? Do we get a name too? How about Jew-lover Billdave2?
Hey, I'm not Jewish, either, but I'm willing to "suffer" with being called one. That way, he can just lump us all together in one convenient package in his mind, and be done with it. It's not like he doesn't already think this. So let's make it official. I'm Jew Jim. Glad to meet you!

[HawksFan]

I see a Mel Brooks blockbuster coming out of this.

Latke anyone?

Jew HawksFan

[Myriad]

You could call me Possible Suspected Jew Because My Paternal Family Name Is One Of A Limited Number That Forcibly Converted Jews In Germany Were Allowed To Adopt In The Mid Nineteenth Century And Also My Wife's Maternal Grandmother Might Have Been Born Jewish (The Sole Evidence Being A Single Star Of David On A Family Heirloom Birthing Cup) Myriad.

But that might be a bit cumbersome.

Respectfully,
Possible Suspected Jew Because My Paternal Family Name Is One Of A Limited Number That Forcibly Converted Jews In Germany Were Allowed To Adopt In The Mid Nineteenth Century And Also My Wife's Maternal Grandmother Might Have Been Born Jewish (The Sole Evidence Being A Single Star Of David On A Family Heirloom Birthing Cup) Myriad

[Dave Rogers]

I think that makes me Person Whose Mother's Maiden Name Sounds A Bit Jewish But Is Actually A Small Village In Northumberland Dave.

PWMMNSABJBIAASVIN Dave

[Jonnyclueless]

It was a JewHOP!

[twinstead]

And I shall henceforth be referred to as Person Who Has Absolutely No Jewish Blood OR Jewish Heritage Yet Disagrees With MaGZ So Must Be A Jew And Not Know IT.

PWHANJBOJHYDWMSMBAJANKI Twinstead

[jhunter1163]

Mazel Tov!

J (for Jew)Hunter1163

ETA: I actually am also a PWHANJBOJHYDWMSIMBAJANKI.

[Jonnyclueless]

And I shall henceforth be referred to as Person Who Has Absolutely No Jewish Blood OR Jewish Heritage Yet Disagrees With MaGZ So Must Be A Jew And Not Know IT.

PWHANJBOJHYDWMSMBAJANKI Twinstead


You are Jewish by disagreement. It happens. But use it to your advantage when it comes to work holidays.

[ElMondoHummus]

I still can't believe he managed to glom onto the story of the van yet somehow not talk about the supposed explosives, like all the other truthers do.

Then again, it usually takes a well studied, well educated eye for a person to distinguish between, say, German National Socialism, and the Giovanni Gentile Corporativismo style Fascism. So if someone's able to navigate the channel between merely implying that Jews were involved in the attacks (thus making them terrorists) and saying that they merely knew about the attacks ahead of time (thus making them masterminds rather than participants), then I have to give credit where credit is due and say that MaGZ has really, really spent a lot of time thinking this fantasy through.

Doesn't make it any less fictional, but it does mean it's a well-developed fantasy.

Sincerely,
A shill, not a Jew

[Par]

They claimed on Israeli televison they were there to document the event. Apparently they knew the attacks were coming.


Is there supposed to be a “therefore” in there?:

“They claimed on Israeli televison they were there to document the event. Therefore, they knew the attacks were coming.”

If so, what reason do we have to think that their decision to “document the event” came before the attack on the first tower?

[Father Dagon]

It did not make it into the 9/11 Report. Jew Zelikow would not allow it.How convenient.

[SnuggleSmacks]

The "no Jews went to work that day" is almost the origin of the WTC conspiracy theories. It's been more thoroughly debunked than almost anything else. The names of the Jews killed in the WTC have been extensively documented - conversely, not a single Jew who failed to turn up that day has been identified. (Which shows the laziness of conspiracy theorists - surely somebody would have been off sick or off site for some reason?)

When this was mooted on another site, I suggested that all the Jews must have been notified on JewNet, the secret communication system known only to Jews. I thought it was ridiculous enough to be self-debunking. Now I realise that there's no such thing. Nothing is self-evidently nonsensical in the conspiracy world.


AAAaaaaah! So it's all YOUR fault!! At last, we have discovered the origins of this particular theory ;)

I did a search on Odigo and came up with the following from Muckraker (http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id246.html):

So what should the reader make of the Odigo story? There’s no need to read into it. It does not mean more than what is clear – a warning was transmitted into the World Trade Center Complex from an Israeli software company that provided instant messaging services, mostly to Israeli Ashkenazi Jews around the world, that an attack on the Twin Towers was imminent. Those receiving the warnings got out of the buildings before they were struck. The collapses of the Twin Towers propelled the War on Terror, which resulted in U.S. troops invading Afghanistan and Iraq – the Middle East. Israel wants to be the dominant nation in the Middle East not just for its own security – but also for expansion. Israel could not and cannot accomplish this objective without unwavering economic support and military protection from the United States

(emphasis mine)

But yeah....no need to read into it. *snicker*

[Father Dagon]

It did not make it into the 9/11 Report. Jew Zelikow would not allow it.How convenient.

[aggle-rithm]

The point is Israel was willing to sacrifice 3,000 American that day (some of them were Jews) in order to assure the US would eventually go to war with Israel’s enemies.

And we all know how well that worked out for Israel....

First the Silverstein "insurance fraud", and now this. If the Jews are really as stupid as you seem to think they are, then how do they manage to control everything?

[1337m4n]

So a Sidewinder took down WTC7 now?

http://www.militaryfactory.com/munitions/imgs/aim9.jpg

I had no idea those things were big enough to bring down 40-story skyscrapers.

[Redtail]

So a Sidewinder took down WTC7 now?

http://www.militaryfactory.com/munitions/imgs/aim9.jpg

I had no idea those things were big enough to bring down 40-story skyscrapers.

My intro to the 9/11 Cts was students claiming that the Pentagon was hit by a sidewinder.

[twinstead]

So a Sidewinder took down WTC7 now?

http://www.militaryfactory.com/munitions/imgs/aim9.jpg

I had no idea those things were big enough to bring down 40-story skyscrapers.

[truther photo analysis]
Are you kidding? That thing is HUGE! Look at how big it is compared to that windsock beneath it?
[/truther photo analysis]

[dudalb]

What about those of us who are not jews, but aren't raging anti-semites (or even non raging anti-semites)? Do we get a name too? How about Jew-lover Billdave2?


I believe the current Anti Semite term for Gentiles who are friendly/sympathetic with the Jews is "Shabbes Goy".

[Jonnyclueless]

AAAaaaaah! So it's all YOUR fault!! At last, we have discovered the origins of this particular theory ;)

I did a search on Odigo and came up with the following from Muckraker (http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id246.html):



(emphasis mine)

But yeah....no need to read into it. *snicker*

yeah, no need to read into an anti-jewish propaganda site that provide no evidence and simply makes s*** up like most of the Woo sites.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Obviously the Jews did it, as we all know here we Jews are a collective hive mind and have been that way since we Poisoned Wells in the 1300's, performed blood rituals with Muslim women and ate Aryan babies.

You won't find any evidence of numerous Jews being warned via Odingo because the real Odingo is a small microchip implanted behind our left eyes at birth (to simulate our ultra-liberal leanings). The real warning was sent via L.E. Odingo and a handful of Jews volunteered to go die in the towers so no one would suspect us. Then it was just a matter of getting the FBI to investigate us without releasing any information and, in turn, leak that FBI investigation to a handful of anti-Semites so everyone would think "it's just Nazis being Nazis" if anyone decided to blame us.

But of course we knew Muslim extremists, a group who absolutely despises us, were planning to attack the US! The real question is how could we NOT know? And why should we tell the greatest ally/supporter of our neo-apartheid wonderland who happens to back us financially and militarily if the need would arise and whom we have worked with on several military projects? Our evil Jewness loves war and violence, anything to bring the gentile down! Also we needed the US to invade and provide a universal healthcare system for Afghanistan and Iraq paid for by US taxpayers to bolster our own Jew gold which we hide around our necks (and is protected by the second fake Jew gold).[/sarcastic anti-Semitic conspiracy rant]

[SnuggleSmacks]

Well, I think that those two guys who got the Odigo message in the WTC should have thier Jewboy badges ripped off thier kippas for failing to warn thier bretheren!! And the two in the van...I would TOTALLY smash thier dreidels for merely standing there "surveillance-ing" and then not even posting the video on YouTube!!

[SpitfireIX]

Hey, I'm not Jewish, either, but I'm willing to "suffer" with being called one. That way, he can just lump us all together in one convenient package in his mind, and be done with it. It's not like he doesn't already think this. So let's make it official. I'm Jew Jim. Glad to meet you!


Count me in. From now on, I'm Jew SpitfireIX.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1706047ab7bdcb76fd.jpg

[westprog]

AAAaaaaah! So it's all YOUR fault!! At last, we have discovered the origins of this particular theory ;)


Maybe all the conspiracy theories originate in debunkers being sarcastic.

[SnuggleSmacks]

Well, I think that those two guys who got the Odigo message in the WTC should have thier Jewboy badges ripped off thier kippas for failing to warn thier bretheren!! And the two in the van...I would TOTALLY smash thier dreidels for merely standing there "surveillance-ing" and then not even posting the video on YouTube!!

[Redtail]

Count me in. From now on, I'm Jew SpitfireIX.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1706047ab7bdcb76fd.jpg

I have the perfect pic for "Jew Redtail" but I'd get banned.:boxedin:

[TriskettheKid]

Being Jewish, and not being privy to some of what my fellow Jews are privy to (according to MaGZ), I must say I'm fairly peeved. I shall be registering a complaint with my local Rabbi.

And the JJL.

Maybe I should change my name to TriskettheJew?

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Maybe I should change my name to TriskettheJew?

Why not? I've already considered Jewthulhut Fhtagn and have a pretty good picture to go along with it but just can't use it yet until I get over 15 posts. Not the first time the internet has prevented me from using Lovecraftian racial humor. :(

[Gravy]

If It's Matzah Balls with Gravy, It Must Be Seder Time Down South (http://www.interfaithfamily.com/holidays/passover_and_easter/If_Its_Matzah_Balls_with_Gravy_It_Must_Be_Seder_Ti me_Down_South.shtml?rd=1)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

J3wh4224rd? Hmm...

[Walter Ego]

If It's Matzah Balls with Gravy, It Must Be Seder Time Down South (http://www.interfaithfamily.com/holidays/passover_and_easter/If_Its_Matzah_Balls_with_Gravy_It_Must_Be_Seder_Ti me_Down_South.shtml?rd=1)

Y'all coming to temple Saturday? :) The Savannah Jewish community has a pedigree comparable to the Mayflower pilgrims of Massachusetts.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Savannah.html

The Irish Catholics came later and predominated over the first English settlers for a while. (Savannah has the third largest St. Patrick’s Day parade in the U.S.)

What ever happened to those Catholic conspiracies the KKK used to push back in the 1920’s, btw? Papist plots were whispered about back then by the hooded ones but now it’s Mossad and ‘da Jews’ under every bed and behind every door.

[Drudgewire]

I can't really be "Jewwire" because some might think I'm making the penny joke. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/redface.gif

[Mr. Skinny]

I'm changing my forum name to SkinnyJew.

My custom title shall be mohel in search of a bris.

[Hokulele]

I would go with HoJewLele, but it doesn't flow as well, and it could be interpreted in a rather, um, unflattering manner.

[twinstead]

I'm changing my forum name to SkinnyJew.

My custom title shall be mohel in search of a bris.

Oh, I LOVE bris. Like it room temperature, spread on some warm French bread or a nice cracker...

Oh crap. Wait. That's brie. Never mind.

[SnuggleSmacks]

Hmmm.....SnuggleJew or JewSmacks....it's just not working for me :(

[Elizabeth I]

Hey, I'm not Jewish, either, but I'm willing to "suffer" with being called one. That way, he can just lump us all together in one convenient package in his mind, and be done with it. It's not like he doesn't already think this. So let's make it official. I'm Jew Jim. Glad to meet you!

What do you mean you're not Jewish? Look at that middle name!

I believe the current Anti Semite term for Gentiles who are friendly/sympathetic with the Jews is "Shabbes Goy".

It doesn't have the vituperative, epithetical, race-baiting ring of "Jew-lover."

[JimBenArm]

What do you mean you're not Jewish? Look at that middle name!

Oy, but Benjamin it's not! It's Benton!
What to do with a name like that? I ask you!

[Elizabeth I]

Oy, but Benjamin it's not! It's Benton!
What to do with a name like that? I ask you!

No, I was thinking more like David Ben Gurion and Ben Hur.

[JimBenArm]

No, I was thinking more like David Ben Gurion and Ben Hur.
Ah, much better! I like!

[Slayhamlet]

No, I was thinking more like David Ben Gurion and Ben Hur.

Should we call him Jew Ben Ton from now on?

[mrbaracuda]

- - -

It's very hard to read with the capitalisation of every frikkin word :(

- mrJuda. :cool:

[Brainache]

Jewache? Brainjew? I dunno...

Maybe we should just call this place "JewREF"

[mrbaracuda]

Jewache? Brainjew? I dunno...

Jewache to MagZ, Brainjew to the JewREFers! :)

Maybe we should just call this place "JewREF"

Jewlly good idea old chap! :p

[Jonnyclueless]

I keep thinking of Space Balls. "She's a druish princess!"

[jhunter1163]

And you should never underestimate the power of the Schwartz.

[Spins]

Indeed, may the Schwartz be with you!

[JimBenArm]

I keep thinking of Space Balls. "She's a druish princess!"
Funny, she doesn't look Druish.

[Foolmewunz]

MaGZ would love the choices with my name:

FoolMeJew
JewMeWunz

But my all time favorite, 'cuz MaGZ hisself gave it to me..... "Jewboy".

[Myriad]

It's very hard to read with the capitalisation of every frikkin word :(


True. "Jewriad" will do instead. It doesn't exactly trip off the tongue, but it does suggest some sort of massive movement of organized Jews, advancing, expanding, relentless, unstoppable, taking over the world.

Respectfully,
Jewriad
Coming soon, to a lonely struggling ragtag fugitive Christian enclave near you!

[firecoins]

I am a Jew from New York in EMS who took a couple of pilot lessons and who had been in the WTC several times in 2001. Why was I not notified?

My flight instructor in 2001 for 2 flight lessons was a Muslim.

[firecoins]

You know what? It must have been me! I was behind 9/11. I gained acces to the WTC because I was an EMT. I planted small nuclear devices I received from Israel.

Than by remote control I took over 4 jets, landed that at top secret airports disguised as major airport hubs and replaced them with missles that looked like holigrams of jets. The US military did what I said because I have secrets. Bush was an unwitting involved. He is an idiot. Did you think I would give him soemthing improtant to do?

[SnuggleSmacks]

Nope, I did it. With my amazing mind control powers.

[Jonnyclueless]

Nope, I did it. With my amazing mind control powers.

You must have gotten tired of tying damsel's to railroad tracks.

[HawksFan]

Funny, I never tire of that. :)

[Gravy]

Agreed. Damsel bondage is absolutely the best part of being a NJWO operative.

[twinstead]

ummmmmm. Damsel bondage...good times.

[Drudgewire]

Railroad tracks are so passe. It's all about sybians now. :)

[Hokulele]

Guys, either put down that coil of rope or stop eyeing me that way or else someone will need stitches.

[jhunter1163]

Oh, come on now, Hokulele, be a sport. I haven't placed a damsel in bondage in ages.

(Note to Mrs. JHunter1163: I'm kidding! Really I am! All harmless fun!)

[MaGZ]

I still can't believe he managed to glom onto the story of the van yet somehow not talk about the supposed explosives, like all the other truthers do.

Then again, it usually takes a well studied, well educated eye for a person to distinguish between, say, German National Socialism, and the Giovanni Gentile Corporativismo style Fascism. So if someone's able to navigate the channel between merely implying that Jews were involved in the attacks (thus making them terrorists) and saying that they merely knew about the attacks ahead of time (thus making them masterminds rather than participants), then I have to give credit where credit is due and say that MaGZ has really, really spent a lot of time thinking this fantasy through.

Doesn't make it any less fictional, but it does mean it's a well-developed fantasy.

Sincerely,
A shill, not a Jew

I have never claimed the Jews were the masterminds in the 9/11 attacks or participants. I have always claimed AQ was responsible. You continue to misrepresent what I have stated. The Mossad discovered the AQ plot when they were spying on the hijackers. The CIA and FBI asked them to monitor the Hamburg cell when they came to America. The Israelis betrayed the US and LIHOP.

[MaGZ]

So a Sidewinder took down WTC7 now?

http://www.militaryfactory.com/munitions/imgs/aim9.jpg

I had no idea those things were big enough to bring down 40-story skyscrapers.

I have never claimed the missile took down WTC 7, only that the missile started the fires. I have posted photos showing the lowers floors of WTC 7 on fire BEFORE the collapse of the Twin Towers.

[Jonnyclueless]

I can see how that goes down.

FBI : Uh hey Mossad. We can't be bothered to do our own investigations, so can you come ehre to our country, do some spying for us and tell us what's going on?

Mossad: Of course, anything you want guy. (then thinking "bwahahaha, now we can play the old not let them know everything so the bad guys fly planes into the WTC gag again. Now where do we keep the missiles?")

[Drudgewire]

Guys, either put down that coil of rope or stop eyeing me that way or else someone will need stitches.
Rope is also passe. In this kinder, gentler age fluffy cuffs and fake rubber duct tape is how all true player heels roll. :cool:

[littlehulkster]

Jews? Please.

Everyone knows Shredder did 9/11.

I even have INTERNET PROOF! http://shredder911.ytmnd.com/

[firecoins]

ummmmmm. Damsel bondage...good times.
I thought I was the only one!

[Wowbagger]

It must have been the Jews!!! We all know how much they hate New York City!

:rolleyes:

[JimBenArm]

Yes we do. That's why we secretly moved to KC.
Don't tell anyone.

[Elizabeth I]

Jewache? Brainjew? I dunno...

Maybe we should just call this place "JewREF"

:D


...and I'm insulted. How come Hokulele gets to be the only damsel threatened? :dqueen

[JimBenArm]

:D


...and I'm insulted. How come Hokulele gets to be the only damsel threatened? :dqueen
We're just sneaking up on you. Don't look behind you now...

[twinstead]

All damsels will be...uh...bondaged...in due time...

[1337m4n]

Pick a name for me:

--Jewman
--J00m4n
--1337Jew
--j000000

[1337m4n]

I have posted photos showing the lowers floors of WTC 7 on fire BEFORE the collapse of the Twin Towers.

You're not referring to those tiny, barely discernible red specks shown from a couple miles away, are you?

If so, pray tell how you know they are fires.

[SnuggleSmacks]

I have never claimed the missile took down WTC 7, only that the missile started the fires. I have posted photos showing the lowers floors of WTC 7 on fire BEFORE the collapse of the Twin Towers.

Yeah, burning jet fuel has that effect.

[SnuggleSmacks]

All damsels will be...uh...bondaged...in due time...

Thanks, but I've had my BDSM for the night...can it wait til tomorrow?

[slingblade]

:D


...and I'm insulted. How come Hokulele gets to be the only damsel threatened? :dqueen


Yeah! I know I'm a dam....something....
:boxedin:

[Hokulele]

Yeah! I know I'm a dam....something....
:boxedin:


You can borrow one of my fluffy hand-cuffs.

Sorry for the derail, but damsel bondage is more interesting than either a re-re-hash of MaGZ's Jewishness or his missile theories. Regardless of which side of the tracks you are on, so to speak.

[SnuggleSmacks]

I'm going to Purgatory tomorrow night. There will be plenty of damsel bondage there. Anyone wanna join?

[jhunter1163]

OK, so we now know that Hokulele is a damsel and has more than one pair of fluffy handcuffs. My kind of woman for sure....

*sounds of Mrs. JHunter1163 administering a beating*

[mrbaracuda]

Pick a name for me:

--Jewman
--J00m4n
--1337Jew
--j000000

The last one for great jewstice!

[SDC]

At last, I've found true fulfillment. I was out for a few days, then came back to read, in one sitting, a thread which morphs from anti-Semitic ravings into the joys of bondage.

Does the internet get any better than this? I think not.

By the way, I have it on conclusive speculation that the warning received by Odige staff about a disaster striking lower Manhattan actually referred to a traffic tie-up near the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel. It was misinterpreted.

[SDC]

The "no Jews went to work that day" is almost the origin of the WTC conspiracy theories. It's been more thoroughly debunked than almost anything else. The names of the Jews killed in the WTC have been extensively documented - conversely, not a single Jew who failed to turn up that day has been identified. (Which shows the laziness of conspiracy theorists - surely somebody would have been off sick or off site for some reason?)

When this was mooted on another site, I suggested that all the Jews must have been notified on JewNet, the secret communication system known only to Jews. I thought it was ridiculous enough to be self-debunking. Now I realise that there's no such thing. Nothing is self-evidently nonsensical in the conspiracy world.

Let me think now... The two people I know who were killed were not Jewish. A third whose funeral my wife attended was Jewish, I think on a business trip from Detroit. (She knew the family, I did not.) I know a woman, not Jewish but married to a Jew, who stayed home that day for personal reasons -- she worked at Marsh Mclennan where some of her office mates were killed. I don't know whether she had heard from "MarriedToAJewNet." I could go on, I knew a few others who worked there or the immediate vicinity and survived, some with physical or emotional injuries, but why bother?

[Elizabeth I]

Yeah! I know I'm a dam....something....
:boxedin:

I thought Penn already told you what you were a dam one of?

(boy, that sentence is a mess...)

[Tippit]

I have to give this Truther credit for coming out and admitting "Jews" were behind it, rather than using the dodgy term "Zionist":



The term "Zionist" isn't "dodgy", Zionism is a political movement for which criticism is deflected by association with jews, and historical jewish persecution. In the minds of some, criticism of Zionism or the policies of the state of Israel in particular is implicitly racist or bigoted. While there is no doubt that some critics of Zionism in general are anti-semitic or anti-jewish, the fact remains that it is a political entity, and it is and should be subject to legitimate criticism. To assume that it shouldn't because jews have been historically persecuted is dangerous.

Furthermore, all jews are not zionists, in fact, some are vehemently anti-Zionist, especially some orthodox jews who reject the modern day state of Israel.

To be jewish at least in the ethnic sense is immutable, there is no choice in the matter. To be a Zionist is to have made a clear political choice, and everyone's politics should be subject to criticism, regardless of how closely it may be associated to ethnicities or religions.

[Jonnyclueless]

Zionism is simply a belief that the Jews have a right to live in their homeland Israel. And I love how the anti-semites bring up the non-zionist jews whom make up maybe .000001% of the jewish population thus justifying that their claims certainly aren't about Jews.

I'm not saying humand are bad, just the ones with arms and legs.

[1337m4n]

The term "Zionist" isn't "dodgy", Zionism is a political movement for which criticism is deflected by association with jews, and historical jewish persecution. In the minds of some, criticism of Zionism or the policies of the state of Israel in particular is implicitly racist or bigoted. While there is no doubt that some critics of Zionism in general are anti-semitic or anti-jewish, the fact remains that it is a political entity, and it is and should be subject to legitimate criticism. To assume that it shouldn't because jews have been historically persecuted is dangerous.

Furthermore, all jews are not zionists, in fact, some are vehemently anti-Zionist, especially some orthodox jews who reject the modern day state of Israel.

To be jewish at least in the ethnic sense is immutable, there is no choice in the matter. To be a Zionist is to have made a clear political choice, and everyone's politics should be subject to criticism, regardless of how closely it may be associated to ethnicities or religions.

Yes, yes, I understand that Zionism is not the same as Judaism. But the TERM is used by known anti-semites to conceal the fact that they are, in fact, anti-semites. They'll say "Oh I don't hate Jews, just Zionists", meanwhile they bring up "evidence" such as the "fact" that 4000 JEWS (not Zionists) didn't show up for work on 9/11, thus proving their real motives.

So let me set the record straight on behalf of all my fellow debunkers: If you say "Zionist", and you ACTUALLY MEAN "Zionist", then you're not an anti-Semite. All we're saying is that we don't think people like Alex Jones ACTUALLY MEAN "Zionist".


ETA: Also, what Johnnyclueless said: Zionists aren't "bad", and you're not going to find very many non-Zionist Jews.

[Foolmewunz]

<snip>

ETA: Also, what Johnnyclueless said: Zionists aren't "bad", and you're not going to find very many non-Zionist Jews.

Sorry, but if you amend that to say Non-Zionist Israelis, it'd be closer to being accurate, but even there you'll find numerous Israelis who are not necessarily Zionists. If you take it to the Jewish communities around the world, you will find many Jews who are actively anti-Zionist. They support the state of Israel, but only because it already exists, and they'd do nothing to harm fellow Jews. But to say that almost all Jews are Zionists is not correct.

And the counterpoint (which you do not mention) is that there are more and more Christian Zionists. Mostly fundies of the Book of Revelations / Rapture ilk. They support Zionism for their own sick reasons, e.g. that every bit of conflict or alarm in the ME is just another sign that the Second Coming is upon us.