The Harlot Is Out of Cash?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Yes, it appears that fighting special interests by taking money from lobbyists and PACs can't keep Hillary afloat.

Time's Mark Halperin reports that senior Clinton campaign advisers have "voluntarily chosen to work without pay this month" as part of a "Clinton cash crunch" against the Obama campaign. This includes Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle.

In related news, Obama aides say the expect to raise another $30 million in February alone, nearly matching their record cash haul in January.

Much more from AP:

WASHINGTON -- Super Tuesday's mixed outcome has set up at least four weeks of frenzied delegate hunting for Democrats Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, pitting his well-financed all-terrain campaign against her big state strategy.

In a sign of Obama's growing financial advantage, Clinton acknowledged Wednesday that she loaned her campaign $5 million late last month as Obama was outraising and outspending her heading into Feb. 5 Super Tuesday contests.

Linky (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/06/obama-bullish-clinton-lo_n_85333.html)

This is reminicient of certain Republican candidates...

So will she pull a McCain and be the comeback kid? Will she flop like Giuliani waiting for a March primary that she has a chance of winning? Or will she be like Huckabee/Romney and just not die?

[BPSCG]

Harlot?

I've heard HRC accused of being a lot of undesirable things, but harlot isn't one of them.

[senorpogo]

Ouch.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Harlot?

I've heard HRC accused of being a lot of undesirable things, but harlot isn't one of them.

I just did :p .

Actually, I called her that in another thread where they showed which candidates took money from lobbyists and she easily topped the list. I decided to tease about it again because she has been making speeches about how she would make the government work for the "people" and not "special interests".

[NobbyNobbs]

She loaned her campaign the money? Does she expect them to pay her back?

[Elind]

Yes, it appears that fighting special interests by taking money from lobbyists and PACs can't keep Hillary afloat.



Linky (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/06/obama-bullish-clinton-lo_n_85333.html)

This is reminicient of certain Republican candidates...

So will she pull a McCain and be the comeback kid? Will she flop like Giuliani waiting for a March primary that she has a chance of winning? Or will she be like Huckabee/Romney and just not die?

Your choice of thread title labels you yet again, but you are prone to that aren't you?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Your choice of thread title labels you yet again, but you are prone to that aren't you?

Ummm... Kay?

[ConspiRaider]

Speaking of Republicans, young person:

Is this the kind of Karl Rove tactic that your "hero", Barack Obama, approves of? I thought he - according to his followers and supporters - was above this sort of hate spewing? This is what you've been reduced to? Referring to Hillary Clinton as a harlot?

Degrade, humiliate and taunt have now become action words for you. Oh, the Republicans would LOVE you as a young devotee of unprincipled behavior. Means they can mold and hone you into a win-at-all-costs, lockstepping mercenary.

Imagine a reverse-hypothetical on your thread title, directed at Obama. What word should be swapped in for "harlot", to convey the same sense of degradation and humiliation? Any ideas on that from you?

[Elind]

Ummm... Kay?

If I called you a harlot, which I'm perfectly inclined to do in the sense of what you do to logic here and elsewhere, would I gain your respect, or just another ....kay?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Speaking of Republicans, young person:

Is this the kind of Karl Rove tactic that your "hero", Barack Obama, approves of? I thought he - according to his followers and supporters - was above this sort of hate spewing? This is what you've been reduced to? Referring to Hillary Clinton as a harlot?

Degrade, humiliate and taunt have now become action words for you. Oh, the Republicans would LOVE you as a young devotee of unprincipled behavior. Means they can mold and hone you into a win-at-all-costs, lockstepping mercenary.

Imagine a reverse-hypothetical on your thread title, directed at Obama. What word should be swapped in for "harlot", to convey the same sense of degradation and humiliation? Any ideas on that from you?

Another post about me.

Anything I've posted incorrect? No?

Maybe I should be nicer, but some people just deserve getting called on their BS.

[Puppycow]

Tuskasa: Dude, I suggest you not use that sort of language. It doesn't reflect well on you.
Namecalling says more about the namecaller than the namecallee. And now this thread is going to be about you and your attitudes about women, not the subject you wanted to discuss. Carry on.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Tuskasa: Dude, I suggest you not use that sort of language. It doesn't reflect well on you.
Namecalling says more about the namecaller than the namecallee. And now this thread is going to be about you and your attitudes about women, not the subject you wanted to discuss. Carry on.

Prude :p .

[Tsukasa Buddha]

If I called you a harlot, which I'm perfectly inclined to do in the sense of what you do to logic here and elsewhere, would I gain your respect, or just another ....kay?

It's so weird that I've irked you so much eslewhere and I don't recall ever having bumped into you before.

[Elind]

It's so weird that I've irked you so much eslewhere and I don't recall ever having bumped into you before.

I understand. It's a common thing about those who listen only to themselves. But I'll do my best to get your attention when warranted in the future; as for now, you have been told by others how your mindset is considered and we'll see if you notice.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Okay... Anyone who doesn't have a bizzare grudge against me want to talk about the topic?

[The Atheist]

Anything I've posted incorrect? No?

Yes, actually.

"Harlot" is an old-fashioned word with only one meaning: prostitute.

There are lots of completely accurate nouns you could use for Billary; try one of the following instead:

hag; n an ugly, evil-looking old woman
harridan; n a bad-tempered woman, esp. an old one
Gorgon; n any very ugly, repulsive, or horrifying woman

or even, stretching a point:
slag; n UK VERY INFORMAL DISAPPROVING
a woman whose appearance and behaviour, especially sexual, are considered unacceptable

...but not "harlot".

I'd personally go with "Gorgon".

[Elind]

Okay... Anyone who doesn't have a bizzare grudge against me want to talk about the topic?

No. It's mostly an ad hominem thing, which isn't allowed here. you should know that.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Yes, actually.

"Harlot" is an old-fashioned word with only one meaning: prostitute.

There are lots of completely accurate nouns you could use for Billary; try one of the following instead:

hag; n an ugly, evil-looking old woman
harridan; n a bad-tempered woman, esp. an old one
Gorgon; n any very ugly, repulsive, or horrifying woman

or even, stretching a point:
slag; n UK VERY INFORMAL DISAPPROVING
a woman whose appearance and behaviour, especially sexual, are considered unacceptable

...but not "harlot".

I'd personally go with "Gorgon".

I was talking about her political funding policy of selling herself, not her physical appearance.

(Never heard of slag before, good to know I suppose)

[Tsukasa Buddha]

No. It's mostly an ad hominem thing, which isn't allowed here. you should know that.

Let's look at this thread and see who is making the stupid personal attacks on people.

You could accuse me of using emotionally charged words, which I would be perfectly fine with. But I don't recall my title being part of a formal argument...

[Elind]

Let's look at this thread and see who is making the stupid personal attacks on people.

You could accuse me of using emotionally charged words, which I would be perfectly fine with. But I don't recall my title being part of a formal argument...

Your title, or the harlot title? Could you try, just a little bit, to stay relevant?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Your title, or the harlot title? Could you try, just a little bit, to stay relevant?

The title of this thread obviously. How am I going off topic?

[Elind]

The title of this thread obviously. How am I going off topic?

Clearly you are fully on topic and I am wasting valuable time that could be be spent on smarter woos.

[KoihimeNakamura]

Tsukasa is using Harlot in the sense of her prostuting herself out for cash. Seriously, this is a tempest in a teapot debate.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Clearly you are fully on topic and I am wasting valuable time that could be be spent on smarter woos.

I thought ad hominems weren't allowed here?

This is getting silly. If all you want to do is post random insults about me the least you could do is start a new thread where you can list your long held grudges and express all your accusations :rolleyes: .

[Giz]

Tsukasa is using Harlot in the sense of her prostuting herself out for cash.

Yep. Why are people in the politics forum suddenly developing such thin skins?
Is dropping the h-bomb (harlot, not hillary) a rule 8 offense?

[ConspiRaider]

Yep. Why are people in the politics forum suddenly developing such thin skins?
Is dropping the h-bomb (harlot, not hillary) a rule 8 offense?
No. This is a matter of principle.

He avoided my question. Now it's your turn.

Reverse-hypothetical: Although I'm a U.S. Democrat, I am so adamant about U.S. Democrat Hillary Clinton getting the nomination that I have no compunctions whatsoever about humiliating and degrading her opponent, U.S. Democrat Barack Obama, with a message board post.

This thread title is: The Harlot is Out of Cash?

My thread title would be: The ?????? is Out of Cash?

You fill in the word. "Harlot" - a woman who sells her body for cash - is definitely a word most women - if not all - find very degrading, something only a true misogynist (hater of women) would ever use. What word that would have a similar effect upon Barack Obama do you suggest I use, in this hypothetical, to degrade him?

[TriskettheKid]

No. This is a matter of principle.

He avoided my question. Now it's your turn.

Reverse-hypothetical: Although I'm a U.S. Democrat, I am so adamant about U.S. Democrat Hillary Clinton getting the nomination that I have no compunctions whatsoever about humiliating and degrading her opponent, U.S. Democrat Barack Obama, with a message board post.

This thread title is: The Harlot is Out of Cash?

My thread title would be: The ?????? is Out of Cash?

You fill in the word. "Harlot" - a woman who sells her body for cash - is definitely a word most women - if not all - find very degrading, something only a true misogynist (hater of women) would ever use. What word that would have a similar effect upon Barack Obama do you suggest I use, in this hypothetical, to degrade him?



Republican.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

No. This is a matter of principle.

He avoided my question. Now it's your turn.

Reverse-hypothetical: Although I'm a U.S. Democrat, I am so adamant about U.S. Democrat Hillary Clinton getting the nomination that I have no compunctions whatsoever about humiliating and degrading her opponent, U.S. Democrat Barack Obama, with a message board post.

This thread title is: The Harlot is Out of Cash?

My thread title would be: The ?????? is Out of Cash?

You fill in the word. "Harlot" - a woman who sells her body for cash - is definitely a word most women - if not all - find very degrading, something only a true misogynist (hater of women) would ever use. What word that would have a similar effect upon Barack Obama do you suggest I use, in this hypothetical, to degrade him?

:dl:

I'm a true misogynist :yahoo .

I didn't answer your question because your entire post was just silly personal attacks.

[David Wong]

Can you see that you doomed your own thread?

That you're surprised by the reaction you got speaks volumes about your personality.

[mrbaracuda]

I don't mind "the H-word" at all, given the circumstances of her contributers. :p

[SezMe]

I didn't answer your question because your entire post was just silly personal attacks.
I'm so disappointed. I had hoped that you did respond because the post was not directed at you.

[CFLarsen]

I was talking about her political funding policy of selling herself

Isn't that what all politicians do?

[ZenFountain]

How about we drop the Harlot issue :catfight:

What we know:

-The Clintons recently injected $5 million of their own cash into the campaign
-Obama just raised something on the order of $6.5 million tonight

Q4 Fundraising:

http://i27.tinypic.com/2qtzwjk.jpg

-75% of Clinton's cash came from $1000+ donations, 50% gave the maximum
-54% of Obama's cash came from $1000+ donations, 33% gave the maximum

Given the personal cash infusion the Clintons recently poured into the campaign and Obama's ability to tap new donors and repeat donors that are not maxed out, I don't see how this could be construed as anything but bad news for the Clintons on the fundraising front. I believe Clinton is going to be pulverized in Louisiana and Nebraska on Saturday, if she doesn't hold the line in Maine on Sunday, then Virginia and Maryland on Tuesday fundraising will become very difficult. I'm not one for gloating over the vanquished but it's not difficult to see the dominoes being lined up towards the end of Clinton's campaign. Although, if events do play out as such I will take a small indulgence if Bill goes nuts.

[BPSCG]

Given the personal cash infusion the Clintons recently poured into the campaign and Obama's ability to tap new donors and repeat donors that are not maxed out, I don't see how this could be construed as anything but bad news for the Clintons on the fundraising front. At last, a substantive post on this thread. Thank you.

Heard a couple of things on Fox News this am (I had to say Fox News because I know it just frosts some people off royally):

Her campaign has already repaid her the five mill as a result of this news; she got five million in web donations last night after the news hit.
There's speculation that her campaign is not out of money at all; note neither she nor anyone in her campaign said so. The loan was simply a little gamesmanship designed to make people think she needed the money and go online to donate.
Obama also raised about three million last night over the web.I'm so glad campaign finance reform has removed the evil, corrupting influence of money from politics.

Although, if events do play out as such I will take a small indulgence if Bill goes nuts.I'd donate money to Josef Stalin's campaign to see that.

[ZenFountain]

Heard a couple of things on Fox News this am (I had to say Fox News because I know it just frosts some people off royally):
[LIST=1]
Her campaign has already repaid her the five mill as a result of this news; she got five million in web donations last night after the news hit.
There's speculation that her campaign is not out of money at all; note neither she nor anyone in her campaign said so. The loan was simply a little gamesmanship designed to make people think she needed the money and go online to donate.

While trying to find a second source to confirm that, this image was the fist to come up.

http://i28.tinypic.com/mry9s9.jpg

Only giving more credence to my thoughts after Iowa...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21048852@N06/2166178381/

Will be interesting to see how this loan story plays out, I'm sure something is bound to pop up on a liberal blog.

*Edit

Sure enough, here it is:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/7/73856/41854/820/451747

Looks like Clinton challenged her supporters to raise $3 million last night and an unverified email was floated saying that she had met the goal. One commenter also raised the idea that Bill will inject his $20 million severance bonus from Ron Burkle into Hillary's campaign. Additionally, reading other diaries on DailyKos has reminded me how painful liberal blogs are scour through.

[dudalb]

Speaking of Republicans, young person:

Is this the kind of Karl Rove tactic that your "hero", Barack Obama, approves of? I thought he - according to his followers and supporters - was above this sort of hate spewing? This is what you've been reduced to? Referring to Hillary Clinton as a harlot?

Degrade, humiliate and taunt have now become action words for you. Oh, the Republicans would LOVE you as a young devotee of unprincipled behavior. Means they can mold and hone you into a win-at-all-costs, lockstepping mercenary.

Imagine a reverse-hypothetical on your thread title, directed at Obama. What word should be swapped in for "harlot", to convey the same sense of degradation and humiliation? Any ideas on that from you?


You don't seem to have much of a sense of humor when it comes to this election.
Well,if Hilary is a harlot then Obama is a gigalo; both have taken a LOT of Special interest money.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I'm so disappointed. I had hoped that you did respond because the post was not directed at you.

WTF?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

At last, a substantive post on this thread. Thank you.

Heard a couple of things on Fox News this am (I had to say Fox News because I know it just frosts some people off royally):

Her campaign has already repaid her the five mill as a result of this news; she got five million in web donations last night after the news hit.
There's speculation that her campaign is not out of money at all; note neither she nor anyone in her campaign said so. The loan was simply a little gamesmanship designed to make people think she needed the money and go online to donate.
Obama also raised about three million last night over the web.I'm so glad campaign finance reform has removed the evil, corrupting influence of money from politics.

I'd donate money to Josef Stalin's campaign to see that.

Interesting info (But you used Faux "News" Propaganda!!!)!

I wonder if it is also to put pressure on Obama to win every primary this month, otherwise she will be able to claim to have won against all odds.

But even if she did get the money back, she has to raise a lot more. Because it wasn't exactly good press for her campaign, and it distracted the news from reporting more on her victories in Mass., New Jersey, and California.

If it was all about raising money I don't think this was the smartest way.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Can you see that you doomed your own thread?

That you're surprised by the reaction you got speaks volumes about your personality.

Yes, yes, I am a misogynist Republican Rove apprentice :rolleyes: .

[Invidious]

Yes, yes, I am a misogynist Republican Rove apprentice :rolleyes: .
Sounds like a great new reality tv program!

[Giz]

No. This is a matter of principle.

He avoided my question. Now it's your turn.

Reverse-hypothetical: Although I'm a U.S. Democrat, I am so adamant about U.S. Democrat Hillary Clinton getting the nomination that I have no compunctions whatsoever about humiliating and degrading her opponent, U.S. Democrat Barack Obama, with a message board post.

This thread title is: The Harlot is Out of Cash?

My thread title would be: The ?????? is Out of Cash?

You fill in the word. "Harlot" - a woman who sells her body for cash - is definitely a word most women - if not all - find very degrading, something only a true misogynist (hater of women) would ever use. What word that would have a similar effect upon Barack Obama do you suggest I use, in this hypothetical, to degrade him?


As I read it; the OP postulated that, despite Hillary prostituting herself to special interest groups while claiming to stand for the average joe, she was running out of cash.

ergo:
hypocritically prostituting oneself to special interest groups = harlot.

(Note: not my choice of words, and I make no stand on whether Hillary has in fact been "prostituting" herself to special interest groups. I do think that this seems to be in line with other politics forum depictions of politicians and am at a loss to account for the suddenly thin skins on display here.)

[Thorn]

Man, people, it's not like the term was used literally. We all know calling her husband a whore in satirical terms would be all good and fine, and to be honest, she was in the lead in regards to campaign controbutions when TB started calling her harlot:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=103562

This thread.

I doubt he meant any offense. So chill out.


...Shillery...


*makes a run for the door*

[senorpogo]

I doubt he meant any offense. So chill out.

Q: What's the total opposite of chilling out?
A: The politics forum at JREF

[Charlie Monoxide]

Hillary a harlot? I can understand how her campaign is hurting for money ....

Charlie (rummaging for change) Monoxide

[Invidious]

This thread is being acted out as we speak over at MSNBC. Apparently an anchor described how Chelsea was being "pimped out" by her mother's campaign to make calls to superdelegates, and now Clinton is threatening to pull out of all future debates on that network.

[Oliver]

Last thing I heard was that she raised unbelievable 4 million
Bucks on one single day or so. So she's still in the game and
wouldn't have any problems to find big sponsors anyway,
thanks to her commitment to we the lobbies. :)

Clinton raises $10 million since Super Tuesday (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/09/clinton-raises-10-million-since-super-tuesday/)

[Darth Rotor]

I'd personally go with "Gorgon".
Two votes for Gorgon, now.

Something about seeing her face and something not turning to stone . . . man, the gag isn't coming to me.

Off day, sorry, will try again after a few pints.

DR

[Darth Rotor]

Hillary a harlot? I can understand how her campaign is hurting for money ....

Charlie (rummaging for change) Monoxide
That was a sly one, Charlie.

I tip my cap to you. :)
You extend the the "two bit harlot" slur, you and your change rummaging.

The more usual is fifties and hundreds. (Maybe not. Price might have gone up due to dollar devaluation of late. Who has been to Nevada brother lately who can tell us the going market price?)

In case the muddled mind that began this thread complains: I am returning to OT for the OP by discussing harlots. :p

DR

[KoihimeNakamura]

This thread is being acted out as we speak over at MSNBC. Apparently an anchor described how Chelsea was being "pimped out" by her mother's campaign to make calls to superdelegates, and now Clinton is threatening to pull out of all future debates on that network.

Ahaha... aha..

Well, I can understand tht, but if the shoe fits..

[Richard Masters]

Okay... Anyone who doesn't have a bizzare grudge against me want to talk about the topic?

Sure. I think Hillary is the equivalent of Giuliani, but almost not as bad.