Romney is out!

[ravdin]

Romney is expected to announce today he's dropping out of the race. Stay tuned....

[Nogbad]

Romney is expected to announce today he's dropping out of the race. Stay tuned....

What happens to his delegates?

[Wildy]

Why would he drop out? He's coming second right?

[Vorticity]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/07/romney.campaign/index.html

[Vorticity]

Why would he drop out? He's coming second right?

Way second.

He's not officially "dropping out", he's "suspending his campaign", which means that he keeps his delegates and can throw them to whoever he wants to endorse.

I smell veep.

[Wildy]

That's what Edwards did right?

[dudalb]

That's what Edwards did right?

Nope.Edwards closed his campaign. Romney just suspended his,and that leaves open his starting it up again.
But I have no doubt both have an idea of being Warwick The Kingmaker at their parties conventions.

[UserGoogol]

Edwards used the term "suspend" (http://www.13wmaz.com/news/national_story.aspx?storyid=48348) also.

Also, this is what the CNN article Vorticity just linked says about the matter:

On the Republican side, decisions on how to allocate delegates is left to the state parties.

On the Democratic side, a candidate who "suspends" is technically still a candidate so he or she keeps both district and statewide delegates won through primaries and caucuses. Superdelegates are always free to support any candidate at any time, whether the candidate drops out, suspends or stays in.

[Wildy]

So Romney, if he wants, could give all his delegates to Ron Paul for no real reason? Or Huckabee?

[Tsukasa Buddha]

The two pretty boys are out! Noooo! I wanted a good looking president!

But these politicians are such cowards. "Oh, I'm out, but I'm keeping my delegates."

I'm taking my ball and going home :mad: .

[steverino]

Looks like he's out. OOPS>I just noticed other thread.How about those Cubs?

[Lisa Simpson]

I merged two identical threads.

[steverino]

I merged two identical threads.

Thanks Lisa.:blush:

[mortimer]

Looks like clear sailing for Ron Paul now!

[ZenFountain]

Does this mean Ron Paul is back in? :covereyes

J/K

[timhau]

He's not officially "dropping out", he's "suspending his campaign", which means that he keeps his delegates and can throw them to whoever he wants to endorse.


Not according to CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/07/romney.campaign/index.html):

Suspending a campaign has a different meaning depending on the party.

On the Republican side, decisions on how to allocate delegates is left to the state parties.

On the Democratic side, a candidate who "suspends" is technically still a candidate, so he or she keeps both district and statewide delegates won through primaries and caucuses. Superdelegates are always free to support any candidate at any time, whether the candidate drops out, suspends or stays in.

Given that Edwards has all of 26 delegates, it's going to have to be really close for them to matter.

[ravdin]

I smell veep.

I'd rather see Romney a heartbeat from the presidency than that imbecile Huckabee.

It seemed to me at first that Romney can very well see the writing on the wall. He won't win, and all he will accomplish by staying in the race is flushing his personal fortune down the toilet and tearing his party apart. But I agree that he might also see a possible VP nod as a consolation prize if he throws in the towel now.

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I don't think he'll be VP. I think he's just trying to save face for 2012.

[timhau]

Does this mean Ron Paul is back in? :covereyes


Once McCain, Huckabee, and Uncommitted all drop out, yup, he's in.

[Undesired Walrus]

The two pretty boys are out! Noooo! I wanted a good looking president!

But these politicians are such cowards. "Oh, I'm out, but I'm keeping my delegates."

I'm taking my ball and going home :mad: .

Romney is good looking??????

[Tsukasa Buddha]

Romney is good looking??????

He's plastic!

[dudalb]

I just want to clarify that I think Romney is done,but I was wondering why he used the term suspend .
I wonder if this is a spite move in hopes of throwing the election to Huckabee,considering the bad blood between Romney and McCain.
I don't know if this will work,a lot of fiscal conservatives who could stomach Romney as an alternative will not be able to stomach Huckabee and will end up voting for McCain,methinks.

[timhau]

Is McCain unpopular enough in his own party for this to hurt him? Does this concentrate the previously split anyone-but-McCain votes to Huckabee, or did Romney just make McCain the de facto GOP candidate?

[dudalb]

The question is how many of the conservative voters supported Romney over Huckabee because they thought Romney was electable in November but Huckabee was not.
I suspect quite a few,and they will,however reluctantly,move over to McCain on the grounds that he stands a decent chance of winning in November,but Huckabee does not.

[Kerberos]

Way second.

He's not officially "dropping out", he's "suspending his campaign", which means that he keeps his delegates and can throw them to whoever he wants to endorse.

I smell veep.

Really? McCain looks like a shoo-in and given their relationship it seems unlikely he'd pick Romney.

Is McCain unpopular enough in his own party for this to hurt him? Does this concentrate the previously split anyone-but-McCain votes to Huckabee, or did Romney just make McCain the de facto GOP candidate?

Assuming that every single Romney voter switches to Huckabee, McCain still has a 1,1% lead in national polls using RCP averages, and a lead in existing delegates. I'd say that that Romey didn't so much make McCain the de facto candidate, he just aknowledged the fact.

[DavidJames]

Once McCain is the only guy left, how soon until the conservative talking heads line up behind him and focus on the evil commie, murdering, tax and spend, harlot, anti-feminist and inexperience liberals?

[NotJesus]

"In this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign be a part of aiding a surrender to terror."

Who's writing his speeches now? Rudy Giuliani?

[Gnu World Order]

Once McCain is the only guy left, how soon until the conservative talking heads line up behind him and focus on the evil commie, murdering, tax and spend, harlot, anti-feminist and inexperience liberals?

a heartbeat.

[Spindrift]

The delusion continues:

We're Back In Business --- Romney Drops Out!!! (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/35061)

[UserGoogol]

Does this mean Ron Paul is back in? :covereyes

J/K

Realistically, Ron Paul's already infinitesimal chances of winning are probably diminished by this because it means he can't try to pull some sort of hax at a brokered convention (since now a brokered election is practically impossible) but it might mean that as McCain becomes more and more inevitable Ron Paul might get more votes purely because people feel "it doesn't matter who I vote for, so why not Ron Paul?" And even though he still wouldn't be able to win he might be able to b.s. that by claiming that it's showing how his support is growing even faster, which would be a "win" of sorts.

[OneShotKi11]

My question is where will Romneys supporters now go?

I definitely do not think they will endorse McCain. Especially with the way inwhich he sneakily tried to destroy Romenys chance before Florida by smearing him on Tv spots with false allegations and blatant lies.
Will Romneys supporters be that forgetful?
Or are they like most and just want to support a frontrunner?


Also why is Huckabee now being called a loon as well?

I have questions and need answers!

[mortimer]

The delusion continues:

We're Back In Business --- Romney Drops Out!!! (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/35061)

:dl:

Oh, RP supporters, you make me laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

[Donal]

My question is where will Romneys supporters now go?

Well, they are active Republicans, so I'm guessing they will jump on the McCain Train.

I definitely do not think they will endorse McCain. Especially with the way inwhich he sneakily tried to destroy Romenys chance before Florida by smearing him on Tv spots with false allegations and blatant lies.

He wasn't sneaky about it. And he was playing the game. Shows he can dig in against whoever the Democrats put up.

Will Romneys supporters be that forgetful?
Or are they like most and just want to support a frontrunner?

They'll want to support the guy thats not a Democrat.


Also why is Huckabee now being called a loon as well?

I have questions and need answers!

Be honest. the only answer you want to hear is "Ron Paul will be president."

Too bad, because I'm no liar.

[ZenFountain]

The delusion continues:

We're Back In Business --- Romney Drops Out!!! (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/35061)

The phrase at the moment I'm hearing from Paul supporters on the web is brokered convention, as though before and even more so after this turn of events Paul's delegates are the last hope they have of injecting their views into the 2008 Republican platform. Pardon the analogy but at this point in time, their strategy is as sound and plausible as Hitler's plan to win the war in April 1945.

[Spindrift]

The phrase at the moment I'm hearing from Paul supporters on the web is brokered convention, as though before and even more so after this turn of events Paul's delegates are the last hope they have of injecting their views into the 2008 Republican platform.

There are so pitifully ignorant, it's sad. Romney dropping out all but assures that there won't be a brokered convention, yet these poor slobs can't see that. Reducing the field at this means the convention will be the John McCain Show. The Republicans are not going to allow a fringe element like Ron Paul upset the show. And as much as Romney supporters may not like McCain, I don't think many are going to suddenly get gold fever and sign up for Ron Paul.

[Cello Man]

The delusion continues:

We're Back In Business --- Romney Drops Out!!! (http://www.dailypaul.com/node/35061)

Every politics forum online always seems to have one random schmuck who, in lieu of having a real argument, will simply resort to shouting "RON PAUL!!!" and leave it at that.

It's like that ubiquitous moron in the audience that feels the urge between songs to shout "FREEBIRD!", as if completely unaware that he's actually at a U2 concert.

[dudalb]

I really have to repeat my comparasion of the Ron Paul Campaign Director and the Iraqi Information Minister during the Battle of Baghdad.

[dudalb]

The phrase at the moment I'm hearing from Paul supporters on the web is brokered convention, as though before and even more so after this turn of events Paul's delegates are the last hope they have of injecting their views into the 2008 Republican platform.
1.Ain't gonna happen for the GOP convention. Now the Democrats is another story......
2.Even if it were to happen, the brokering would be done by Romney between Huckabee and McCain. Paul does not have nearly enough capital in the form of delegates to be a player.
3.But the antics of the Ronulans during the GOP conventions promises to have enormous entertainment value,in the much the way that an Ed Wood Movie does.

[dudalb]

Every politics forum online always seems to have one random schmuck who, in lieu of having a real argument, will simply resort to shouting "RON PAUL!!!" and leave it at that.

Hey,that has pretty much been the whole Ron Paul campaign. I guess all those banners on overpasses with "Ron Paul" on them just did'nt do the trick.......

[Cello Man]

I really have to repeat my comparasion of the Ron Paul Campaign Director and the Iraqi Information Minister during the Battle of Baghdad.

Ha! Ok, you've got me beat.

Back on subject though, I'm glad Romney is out. It just leaves speculation as to him running for VP. As much as I dislike Romney, the idea of Huckabee being VP scares me a lot more.

I still think Obama has this cinched, though. Hillary is divisive even among her own party, and Obama is getting the young voters mobilized like wildfire. Put that up against McCain, which a lot of conservatives don't seem too crazy about, and it really seems like Obama will come out on top.

[Upchurch]

What happens to his delegates?
Cage match between McCain, Huckabee, and Paul. Three men enter, one man leaves.

[Supercharts]

Romney was gov of my State and I really liked him. I voted Tuesday for him in the primary. Now I have to vote for McCain. Should I start learning Spanish now?

[dudalb]

Ha! Ok, you've got me beat.

Back on subject though, I'm glad Romney is out. It just leaves speculation as to him running for VP. As much as I dislike Romney, the idea of Huckabee being VP scares me a lot more.

I still think Obama has this cinched, though. Hillary is divisive even among her own party, and Obama is getting the young voters mobilized like wildfire. Put that up against McCain, which a lot of conservatives don't seem too crazy about, and it really seems like Obama will come out on top.

I think it is way too soon to call the Democratic race yet.
And a lot can happen between now and November.
If something happens to make National Securtiy and terrorism a huge issue,that could play against Obama.

[Cello Man]

Supercharts, don't be silly. If McCain wins, his plan to nationalize some illegal immigrants already here won't change much of anything. Especially so if you're in Massachusetts. I live in Texas, for FSM's sake, so if anyone would have noticed Mexicans pouring over the border en masse like Fox News makes it out to be, I would've noticed.

[Cello Man]

...If something happens to make National Securtiy and terrorism a huge issue,that could play against Obama.

Most people are concerned with economy at the moment. But yes, on the subject of national security and terrorism, Obama has the advantage of being consistent.

Obama strongly argued against the unilateral execution of the Iraq war and predicted its outcome. Hillary gave Bush a rubber stamp on the whole thing and now says it was a mistake. You know, the whole "I was for it before I was against it" that sunk Kerry in '04 (among other things).

[OneShotKi11]

Well, they are active Republicans, so I'm guessing they will jump on the McCain Train.

Ok, i guess that is the only logical answer even though i personally disagree with following/voting for someone just because you are a REPUBLICAN.

He wasn't sneaky about it. And he was playing the game. Shows he can dig in against whoever the Democrats put up.

I look at it as showing his personal character. Distasteful and disgusting.
Also i felt being called out on such actions and being proven wrong on national TV (CNN Debate) was something that had to be embarrassing and actually made him look absolutely foolish. Yet even while Romeny was continuously proving him wrong on the argument and also stated over and over his stance so that is was perfectly clear to him. McCain continued to just shake his head in disagreement.
Even after the CNN host took it apon himself to step into the argument, and pull up exact quotes and basically said McCain give up your wrong, he still stuck to his stupidity. May i say a little Bush-esk if you ask me.
Shows to me the man has no judgmental skills and lacks some severe logic. He cant admit to being wrong and from what i seen doesnt even know when he is wrong. It showed he is very simple minded and wont be able to survive without background men constantly making him look better then he is.

It doesnt show he can dig into anyone. It actually shows the opposite. It shows that in a real debate he will lack the ability to dig into a DEM with real facts or claims based on there political views. He will be forced to use another false allegation or segmented sentence and hope he doesnt get called out on it in time for people to realize he is an idiot.

Also vs one of the Democrats if he pulled that stupid of a trick he would be intellectually destroyed and way out debated infront of the entire nation, but we love the smile he gives after being made a fool of so we vote for him anyway.

They'll want to support the guy thats not a Democrat.

To me thats basically saying they are stupid. They will back anyone who is popular as long as he in the end of every sentence says "And remember im Republican".
Guess thats just my personal belief coming into play, srry for the bias.

Be honest. the only answer you want to hear is "Ron Paul will be president."

Too bad, because I'm no liar.

To be honest thats a dumb thing to say. In a topic where i havent mention the man. I know Ron Paul will never win so basically that throws what you said out the door. It also makes you look very childish as well as unintelligent and reminds me a little of the way McCain might attack an individual.


P.S. Just because your not a lier doesnt mean your honest.

On a side note what does the Fifth Amendment actually mean?

[Cello Man]

On a side note what does the Fifth Amendment actually mean?

The Fifth Amendment grants citizens the right to refuse to incriminate themselves.

[Mister Agenda]

Realistically, Ron Paul's already infinitesimal chances of winning are probably diminished by this because it means he can't try to pull some sort of hax at a brokered convention (since now a brokered election is practically impossible) but it might mean that as McCain becomes more and more inevitable Ron Paul might get more votes purely because people feel "it doesn't matter who I vote for, so why not Ron Paul?" And even though he still wouldn't be able to win he might be able to b.s. that by claiming that it's showing how his support is growing even faster, which would be a "win" of sorts.

I agree. The only thing made it at all plausible that he could win was a field of over half-a-dozen neocons during an unpopular war. The other candidates dropping out so quickly sinks Paul. The only point in him continuing to run is to bring attention to his issues, or possibly to increase his spoiler power if he goes Third Party. I think Texas has a 'sore loser' law that would affect his congressional race if he continues to run after losing his party's nomination, though.

Maybe a Goldwater-type situation where he winds up setting the stage for a more viable future candidate, the way Goldwater is said to have done for Reagan?

[Spindrift]

Ha! Ok, you've got me beat.

Back on subject though, I'm glad Romney is out. It just leaves speculation as to him running for VP. As much as I dislike Romney, the idea of Huckabee being VP scares me a lot more.

I still think Obama has this cinched, though. Hillary is divisive even among her own party, and Obama is getting the young voters mobilized like wildfire. Put that up against McCain, which a lot of conservatives don't seem too crazy about, and it really seems like Obama will come out on top.

I don't worry about Huckabee being VP. It is usually the end of one's political career being VP unless the Prez dies in office. The VP usually has very little to do. Cheney is a special case. Bush didn't pick Cheney to be VP, Cheney picked Cheney. And I don't think John McCain would stand for a VP with anywhere near the influence that Cheney has.

[Donal]

Ok, i guess that is the only logical answer even though i personally disagree with following/voting for someone just because you are a REPUBLICAN.

Well, look at it this way: They joined the Republican party because of what they valued. While Romney may have been the closest thing for them, McCain is still going to be way closer than Clinton or Obama



I look at it as showing his personal character. Distasteful and disgusting.

Some of us call that politics.

Also i felt being called out on such actions and being proven wrong on national TV (CNN Debate) was something that had to be embarrassing and actually made him look absolutely foolish. Yet even while Romeny was continuously proving him wrong on the argument and also stated over and over his stance so that is was perfectly clear to him. McCain continued to just shake his head in disagreement.
Even after the CNN host took it apon himself to step into the argument, and pull up exact quotes and basically said McCain give up your wrong, he still stuck to his stupidity. May i say a little Bush-esk if you ask me.
Shows to me the man has no judgmental skills and lacks some severe logic. He cant admit to being wrong and from what i seen doesnt even know when he is wrong. It showed he is very simple minded and wont be able to survive without background men constantly making him look better then he is.

He should get a job as a Ron Paul campaigner.

It doesnt show he can dig into anyone. It actually shows the opposite. It shows that in a real debate he will lack the ability to dig into a DEM with real facts or claims based on there political views. He will be forced to use another false allegation or segmented sentence and hope he doesnt get called out on it in time for people to realize he is an idiot.

Ya because politicians don't rely on sound bites and repetition.

Also vs one of the Democrats if he pulled that stupid of a trick he would be intellectually destroyed and way out debated infront of the entire nation, but we love the smile he gives after being made a fool of so we vote for him anyway.

Intellectually destroyed? Doubt it. Its something both Democratic front runners have done themselves.



To me thats basically saying they are stupid. They will back anyone who is popular as long as he in the end of every sentence says "And remember im Republican".
Guess thats just my personal belief coming into play, srry for the bias.

Meh. Like I said before, people join a political party for a reason.



To be honest

That would be new for a Paulite.

thats a dumb thing to say.

Unless someone were familiar with the average Paulite fanaticism.

In a topic where i havent mention the man.

But you were working to it.

I know Ron Paul will never win so basically that throws what you said out the door.

Nice of you to admit that. But I bet you'll still cry over it.

It also makes you look very childish as well as unintelligent and reminds me a little of the way McCain might attack an individual.

Oh, boo hoo. You got called out, deal with it.


P.S. Just because your not a lier doesnt mean your honest.

True

On a side note what does the Fifth Amendment actually mean?

I thought you people were all in love with the Constitution.

[Cello Man]

Yeah, but as old as McCain is, Huckabee is just a heart attack away from the presidency. The same Huckabee that wants to change the Constitution to "Bring it in line with God's law". He's a brainwashed backwater hayseed and he's out of his friggin' mind. I want that man nowhere near the White House.

[ZenFountain]

Cage match between McCain, Huckabee, and Paul. Three men enter, one man leaves.

First thoughts:

Burr-Hamilton
Preston Brooks

Ah, the good old days of statesmen chivalry.

[Ryan O'Dine]

So does the ascendance of McCain represent a nail in the coffin of Political Evangelicalism (to coin a phrase?), or just a chink in the Evangelical armor?

[Cello Man]

So does the ascendance of McCain represent a nail in the coffin of Political Evangelicalism (to coin a phrase?), or just a chink in the Evangelical armor?

Simply put...no. Do not underestimate the power of the Dark Side. The woo is still very strong.

[UserGoogol]

2.Even if it were to happen, the brokering would be done by Romney between Huckabee and McCain. Paul does not have nearly enough capital in the form of delegates to be a player.

For the record, one theory (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1194535&postcount=6) I saw proposed when I googled "Ron paul brokered election" is that a presidential candidate who was in the lead going into a brokered election would immediately be viewed as "weak, not to mention careless, because HE DIDN'T SEE IT COMING." And that as a result, delegates would abandon him like flies, thus clearing the field for Ron Paul to rise up.

It seems like a bafflingly weird strategy which goes against all good sense (to quote Stephen Colbert on Giuliani's strategy, "Fools! They think they can win by winning!"), but I can definitely see the internal logic there.

[dudalb]

First thoughts:

Burr-Hamilton
Preston Brooks

Ah, the good old days of statesmen chivalry.

Not to mention all the people that Andy Jackson killed in duels.

Thomas Fleming wrote a very entertaining book called "Duel" about the events leading up to the Burr/Hamilton duel and the aftermath. Great read.

[mrbaracuda]

A sad day for mein Amerika.

Cage match between McCain, Huckabee, and Paul. Three men enter, one man leaves.

Paul will slip upon entry to the cage and break in half. The old dinosaur he is.

[Gnu World Order]

Also vs one of the Democrats if he pulled that stupid of a trick he would be intellectually destroyed and way out debated infront of the entire nation, but we love the smile he gives after being made a fool of so we vote for him anyway.


...the 2004 debates/election in a nutshell.

[Bill Thompson]

Romney is expected to announce today he's dropping out of the race. Stay tuned....

:relieved:
It is OK. He still gets his own planet to populate in the next life for going through this test.
:rolleyes:

Seriously, shouldn't we make 02/07 a national holiday now?

[Regnad Kcin]

Freebird!

[Achán hiNidráne]

Did anyone catch Romney's concession speech (http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-romneys-speech-withdrawing-from-the-race/)? Here's a real groaner:

Tolerance for pornography—even celebration of it—and sexual promiscuity, combined with the twisted incentives of government welfare programs have led to today’s grim realities: 68% of African American children are born out-of-wedlock, 45% of Hispanic children, and 25% of White children. How much harder it is for these children to succeed in school—and in life. A nation built on the principles of the founding fathers cannot long stand when its children are raised without fathers in the home.So... sexual repression and racism. Nice.:rolleyes:

Oh, FYI, Mitt. Alexander Hamilton was a bastard... literally. Washington was alleged to have slept around and, after seeing pictures of Martha, I wouldn't blame him. Thomas Jefferson sired illegitimate children with his slaves. Benjamin Franklin also had kids with women other than his wire AND he wrote what would have been considered pornography at the time (see, "The Speech Of Miss Polly Baker," and "Advice On The Choice Of A Mistress.") However, I've come to expect this sort of right-wing historical revisionism by recasting America's Founders as pious Christian sages from morons like Mitt.
(http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=74960)

[JEROME DA GNOME]

The Fifth Amendment grants citizens the right to refuse to incriminate themselves.

The US Constitution does not GRANT rights.

:jaw-dropp

[JEROME DA GNOME]

I agree. The only thing made it at all plausible that he could win was a field of over half-a-dozen neocons during an unpopular war. The other candidates dropping out so quickly sinks Paul. The only point in him continuing to run is to bring attention to his issues, or possibly to increase his spoiler power if he goes Third Party. I think Texas has a 'sore loser' law that would affect his congressional race if he continues to run after losing his party's nomination, though.

The fewer candidates in the race decreases the chances of candidates in the race. :rolleyes:

Maybe a Goldwater-type situation where he winds up setting the stage for a more viable future candidate, the way Goldwater is said to have done for Reagan?

Atta' boy! :)

[JEROME DA GNOME]

So... sexual repression and racism. Nice.:rolleyes:

How was any of that racist?

[Wildy]

The US Constitution does not GRANT rights.

:jaw-dropp

Still claiming that society only grants privileges?

[Darth Rotor]

Supercharts, don't be silly. If McCain wins, his plan to nationalize some illegal immigrants already here won't change much of anything. Especially so if you're in Massachusetts. I live in Texas, for FSM's sake, so if anyone would have noticed Mexicans pouring over the border en masse like Fox News makes it out to be, I would've noticed.
I live in Texas. I've noticed. So has my brother in law in Virginia. He's noticed too. So has my brother in Chicago.

DR

[ZenFountain]

Here we go:

Ron Paul Forces Mitt Romney Out of the GOP Race

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115869

[Spindrift]

Here we go:

Ron Paul Forces Mitt Romney Out of the GOP Race

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115869

Amazing!

What is really good about this article is that the sarcasm is not only called for but actually helps explain much of Ron Paul's success.

Success? If Ron Paul's campaign so far has been successful, I'd hate to see what they call a failure.

[firecoins]

I thought this thread was about Mick Romney being gay. That he was coming out of the closet. I hate to be disappointed.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Here we go:

Ron Paul Forces Mitt Romney Out of the GOP Race

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115869


Why did you not link to the Los Angeles Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/ron-paul-forces.html) article from which the head-line comes?

Were you intentionally misrepresenting what you were presenting or was it a oversight?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Still claiming that society only grants privileges?

Not exactly, using the US Constitution makes it an easy task for this particular circumstance. :)

[mortimer]

Why did you not link to the Los Angeles Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/ron-paul-forces.html) article from which the head-line comes?

Were you intentionally misrepresenting what you were presenting or was it a oversight?
Well, it was a blog, not an article, but the distinction between the two at the LA Times seems to be blurred... so ok.

The link to the Times blog was right at the top of the forum post linked...

[ZenFountain]

Why did you not link to the Los Angeles Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/ron-paul-forces.html) article from which the head-line comes?

Were you intentionally misrepresenting what you were presenting or was it a oversight?

Presumptive dichotomy there.

I linked to the ronpaulforums thread for entertainment value in the replies, the thread is clearly cited as an LAT blog entry.

[Achán hiNidráne]

How was any of that racist?

Why did Romney bring up the racial demographics at all? If he was trying to make a point of "out of wedlock" births, why not just cite the percentage of Americans in total? You don't mention something if you didn't want it to paid attention to, and from the breakdown of his statistics it implies that African and Latino Americans are somehow more prone to "immoral" sexual activity (an old racist chestnut) than whites.

I also want to know where Romney got his "statistics" from, what he bases his claim that erotica-leads-to-bastard-children upon, and why "illegitimacy" was a "bad" thing. (It worked for Alexander Hamilton.)

[mortimer]

I also want to know where Romney got his "statistics" from, what he bases his claim that erotica-leads-to-bastard-children upon

One would think the opposite is true. Spending time looking at porn gives one less time (and ability) to procreate. Or so I hear. :D

[Achán hiNidráne]

One would think the opposite is true. Spending time looking at porn gives one less time (and ability) to procreate. Or so I hear. :D

True, unless you're lucky enough to have a SO who enjoys watching with you, the resultant sexual activity from watching porn is pretty solitary.

[timhau]

Why did you not link to the Los Angeles Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/02/ron-paul-forces.html) article from which the head-line comes?


I was reading that piece and getting more and more perplexed until I hit this, which is a dead giveaway:

Paul has given the Democrats until early August to choose between Clinton and Barack Obama, who's so young he can't remember life without color TV.

According to an authoritative Ron Paul campaign news release, with all of his accumulated fifth, fourth, third and second places, Paul claims to have 42 delegates to the Republican National Convention in St. Paul come September.

That puts him only about 660 delegates behind McCain and barely 1,149 shy of the number necessary to seize the party nomination in the name of the Ron Paul Revolution.

I thought that was pretty funny. And naturally, not even that was obvious enough for some Ronulans.

[Corsair 115]

Did anyone catch Romney's concession speech (http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-romneys-speech-withdrawing-from-the-race/)? I saw some of it live. Here's a part that I saw that struck me:

Our prosperity and security also depend on finally acting to become energy secure. Oil producing states like Russia and Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran are siphoning over $400 billion per year from our economy—that’s almost what we spend annually for defense. It is past time for us to invest in energy technology, nuclear power, clean coal, liquid coal, renewable sources and energy efficiency. America must never be held hostage by the likes of Putin, Chavez, and Ahmendinejad. I can only surmise Mr. Romney is not fully familiar with which nations actually supply the U.S. with oil. Data for the first eleven months of 2007:

Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Saudi Arabia - 14.27%
Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Venezuela - 11.37%
Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Russia - 1.2%
Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Iran - 0.0%

So while Mr. Romney may have some merit in naming Saudi Arabia and Venezuela as siphoning money from the U.S. economy (what does that mean anyway?), he has little legitimacy in naming Iran and Russia.

Moreover, his point about which leaders are holding the U.S hostage in terms of energy, he is more incorrect. Romney names the leaders of Venezuela, Iran, and Russia, but only Venezeula accounts for a sizeable portion of U.S. crude oil imports. Russia accounts for very little and Iran for none at all. In which case, how can they be holding the U.S. hostage in terms of energy supplies?

Perhaps Mr. Romney should take note of two other nations which supply crude oil to the United States, and consider the amount imported from them through the first eleven months of 2007:

Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Canada - 18.65%
Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Mexico - 14.21%

Canada, incidentally, is in the #1 position — the U.S. imports more oil from Canada than it does any other single nation. And yet long-time friends and allies Canada and Mexico apparently escape Mr. Romney's notice. One wonders if in his thinking the oil imported from those two nations is to be suspect as well. Why wouldn't Mr. Romney be willing to suggest the U.S. invest in Canada and Mexico to boost their oil production so that they can continue selling crude oil to their neighbour? Does he no longer trust these long-standing economic partners of the United States?

[dudalb]

Here we go:

Ron Paul Forces Mitt Romney Out of the GOP Race

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115869

I don't know what the Paul supporters are smoking but it is some really strong ****

The Sarcasm of the LA Times article went right over their heads.

Just when the Ronulans cannot get any dumber,they surprise you.

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Why did Romney bring up the racial demographics at all? If he was trying to make a point of "out of wedlock" births, why not just cite the percentage of Americans in total? You don't mention something if you didn't want it to paid attention to, and from the breakdown of his statistics it implies that African and Latino Americans are somehow more prone to "immoral" sexual activity (an old racist chestnut) than whites.

I also want to know where Romney got his "statistics" from, what he bases his claim that erotica-leads-to-bastard-children upon, and why "illegitimacy" was a "bad" thing. (It worked for Alexander Hamilton.)


So, anytime race is talked about one is racist.

Gotcha' yaa!


You are arguing that "illegitimacy" is a good thing?

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Canada - 18.65%
Percentage of total U.S. crude oil imports from Mexico - 14.21%

Canada, incidentally, is in the #1 position — the U.S. imports more oil from Canada than it does any other single nation. And yet long-time friends and allies Canada and Mexico apparently escape Mr. Romney's notice. One wonders if in his thinking the oil imported from those two nations is to be suspect as well. Why wouldn't Mr. Romney be willing to suggest the U.S. invest in Canada and Mexico to boost their oil production so that they can continue selling crude oil to their neighbour? Does he no longer trust these long-standing economic partners of the United States?


America could install a dictator and when that failed, invade.

Then in 40 years we would have Canadian terrorists attacking America instead of middle-eastern terrorists.

[ZenFountain]

You are arguing that "illegitimacy" is a good thing?

Arguing that something is not bad is not arguing the opposite (that it is good and desirable).

[JEROME DA GNOME]

Arguing that something is not bad is not arguing the opposite (that it is good and desirable).

Well done.


Now, does referencing race denote one as a racist?

[OneShotKi11]

I live in Texas. I've noticed. So has my brother in law in Virginia. He's noticed too. So has my brother in Chicago.

DR

I live in NY and trust me i have noticed! They all managed to take over my apartment building in full force!

I often wonder how they got all the way up here!