What exactly is a " Bush Loyalist "?

[stateofgrace]

I have seen this term used on not only this forum but a few forums I visit. So could somebody explain , exactly what this term means?

I personally couldn't give a hoot about Bush, it is totally irrelevant to what actually happened on Sept 11th.

To me it is none term, a total irrelevance to the actual events of sept 11th.

Does the fact that Bush was in power when these attacks took place have any bearing whatsoever on the attacks themselves or are they simply a political get out card played by those who subscribe alternative theories?

I would really like to know,is the truth movement driven entirely by political agenda or a genuine search for the the truth ?

I am non American and would appreciate an honest answer.

[dbalsdon]

My understanding is, its supposed to be someone who (rightfully) doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job? Hence, we're loyal to Bush.

[Unsecured Coins]

i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light

[twinstead]

Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'.

We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job.

The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is.

[D'rok]

i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light

I suspect that's not all you saw.

[Unsecured Coins]

I suspect that's not all you saw.

I also saw the top of the mountains. and they were good

[twinstead]

I also saw the top of the mountains. and they were good

We're not talking about GW Bush anymore, are we? :blush:

[1337m4n]

i used to be a bush loyalist. then she shaved, and I saw the light

Delicious Caek.

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'.

We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job.

The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is.

That hit the nail on the head...I remember one truther (I just call them 9/11 Deniers now) I debated who just kept going on about how Bush was my favorite president. :rolleyes:

[Dr Adequate]

"Bush loyalist" (see also "neo-con"): term used by Truthers to describe anyone who believes:

(a) that Bush's "election" in 2000 was a coup;
(b) that the Iraq war was illegal;
(c) that Bush should be impeached;
(d) that Bush should be tried as a war criminal;
(e) that Truthers aren't right about everything.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I have seen this term used on not only this forum but a few forums I visit. So could somebody explain , exactly what this term means?


It's a little box that they can throw you in. They then use the fact that you're in that box as justification to ignore everything you say...

[Walter Ego]

Yes. It's a woo woo circuit breaker. Kind of like a racist who calls anybody who disagrees with his spew a '***** lover'.

We all must be mindless drones unquestionably doing the bidding of the Bush Administration if we dare disagree with 911 being an inside job.

The truthers have NO idea just how idiotic that is.


Hmmm... I voted against Bush in 2000 and 2004, I was against the Iraq invasion and attended an antiwar protest before the Iraq invasion but I’m a Bush Loyalist because I think 9-11 denial is woo?


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[twinstead]

Hmmm... I voted against Bush in 2000 and 2004, I was against the Iraq invasion and attended an antiwar protest before the Iraq invasion but I’m a Bush Loyalist because I think 9-11 denial is woo?


Excellent. Now you've got it. The answer is a resounding YES!

[firecoins]

"Bush loyalist" (see also "neo-con"): term used by Truthers to describe anyone who believes:

(a) that Bush's "election" in 2000 was a coup;
(b) that the Iraq war was illegal;
(c) that Bush should be impeached;
(d) that Bush should be tried as a war criminal;
(e) that Truthers aren't right about everything.
You are a neo conservative loyalist!!!Aren't you? :crowded:

[cisco]

My understanding is, its supposed to be someone who (rightfully) doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job? Hence, we're loyal to Bush.
This is why I want Michael Moore to make a film about the trooth. He'd be immune from any "Bush-lover" arguments to any rational mind.

[Jonnyclueless]

I was going to say the answer was 'lesbian'. But now I am thinking we're talking about something else.

[parky76]

a bush loyalist is anyone who disagrees with the Insidejober theories.

[twinstead]

I was going to say the answer was 'lesbian'. But now I am thinking we're talking about something else.

Dude. Lesbian was my first guess too, but I came up with a plan B when I posted to the thread.

Now I don't feel so bad.

[jaydeehess]

I too have been referred to as a Bush or Government Loyalist. It is a close cousin to being told that one is a neo-con or Bush defender, or a person who condones the mass murder done on 9/11/01 simply because you cannot abide the stupidity of the "Truth Movers"

[ElMondoHummus]

Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report?

I'm asking because it just continually and repetatively blows my mind that people accuse him and his cohorts of slanting it when chances are he's never even seen it. Since when do they send investigative reports like that all the way to the top? It probably went no further than the Secretary of Commerce, if that (for those non-Americans here: NIST is an agency within the US Department of Commerce, so that's why I'm invoking that "Cabinet Secretary". The Sec. of Commerce would sort of be NIST's "CEO", in a way </oversimplification>).

Anyway, my point is that I'm not even sure Bush got a briefing on it, beyond it being mentioned as a product of 9/11 investigations in general. Anyone know?

[jaydeehess]

Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report?

I'm asking because it just continually and repetatively blows my mind that people accuse him and his cohorts of slanting it when chances are he's never even seen it. Since when do they send investigative reports like that all the way to the top? It probably went no further than the Secretary of Commerce, if that (for those non-Americans here: NIST is an agency within the US Department of Commerce, so that's why I'm invoking that "Cabinet Secretary". The Sec. of Commerce would sort of be NIST's "CEO", in a way </oversimplification>).

Anyway, my point is that I'm not even sure Bush got a briefing on it, beyond it being mentioned as a product of 9/11 investigations in general. Anyone know?

Of course Bush has never seen it(let alone been able to follow it).
Instead he simply told NIST top people to create a docuement that concludes that the buildings fell due to planes that crashed into WTC 1&2. From that point on the "Bush Loyalists" in NIST ensured that such was produced. There is a secret section of NIST that goes around to the various study groups or labs and cajoles, threatens or buys off the techy minions in order to keep everything on track with little or minor dissent. Anyone who actually looks like they may spill the whole sordid story suffers an accident as a message to all.

[Jonnyclueless]

Question: Is there any evidence that Bush has ever read the NIST report?


What makes you think he can read? It's these kind of assumptions that lead to all these conspiracy theories to begin with. We have seen no evidence to suggest that Bush knows how to read.

[Hokulele]

What makes you think he can read? It's these kind of assumptions that lead to all these conspiracy theories to begin with. We have seen no evidence to suggest that Bush knows how to read.


Three words for you, My Pet Goat.

Urk, now I will be labeled a "Bush Loyalist". :boggled:

[jhunter1163]

It's possible a Secret Service man with another copy of My Pet Goat was whispering the words into his earpiece... "OK, now turn the page... the goat was a very bad goat..."

[ElMondoHummus]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... I wasn't making any snarks about Bush's intelligence. I was making an argument about hierarchy. My point was that conspiracy fantasists make it sound like the Administration - as defined by the White House, it's staff, and I suppose groups like the Cabinet, the various regulatory agencies, etc. - is a lot more monolithic and directly controlling of activities than it really is. The thought that the President and/or his staff would directly dictate, or even influence a report of a subagency of a department just strikes me as ridiculous, and more to the point, proves to me that conspiracy fantasists have no idea how large organizations work in the real world. When I asked if Bush ever even saw the report, I was making the point that too many fantasists have no clue what purpose the NIST reports actually served. So that's what my post meant, jaydeehess, Jonnyclueless, jhunter1163, et. al.: That the sloppily reasoned truther idea that Bush & Company dictated or slanted the report was weak logic, and absolutely ignorant of large, real-world organizations, or the raison d'etre of the very thing they attack (thus indicating that they're less questioning a "report" and more attacking a target through said report).

And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar?

[Rika]

A corn dog.

[Hokulele]

And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar?


It is a boudin, and the history is in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2682681#post2682681).


Although, it does look a bit like a corn dog . . .

[Jonnyclueless]

Three words for you, My Pet Goat.

Urk, now I will be labeled a "Bush Loyalist". :boggled:

No no, he had an ear piece. They were telling him the words through the ear piece. That's why he didn't get up and leave after the message. Someone was reading it over the earpiece to him.

[ElMondoHummus]

It is a boudin, and the history is in this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2682681#post2682681).


Although, it does look a bit like a corn dog . . .


Ahh. Creole/Cajun sausage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudin). I am thus informed.

Yes, at one time, I tried to turn myself into an expert on sausages via consumption (no rude jokes, please, my stomach suffered enough!). I never got around to boudin, and got especially frustrated with longanisa (http://elmomonster.blogspot.com/2005/07/on-cooking-longanisa.html) (tastes great, but click the link for a treatise on how it assaults your cookware), which is a particular irritation since I'm Filipino by birth. Plus, it was starting to get expensive, so I gave up after a while.

Anyway, boudin: How be it?

[Hokulele]

Ahh. Creole/Cajun sausage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boudin). I am thus informed.

Yes, at one time, I tried to turn myself into an expert on sausages via consumption (no rude jokes, please, my stomach suffered enough!). I never got around to boudin, and got especially frustrated with longanisa (http://elmomonster.blogspot.com/2005/07/on-cooking-longanisa.html) (tastes great, but click the link for a treatise on how it assaults your cookware), which is a particular irritation since I'm Filipino by birth. Plus, it was starting to get expensive, so I gave up after a while.

Anyway, boudin: How be it?


Boudin is very tasty, although it was a bit milder than I expected.

We can get some excellent longanisa and linguisa (Portuguese sausage) at a local store. You should try my adobo some time. ;)

[jaydeehess]

Whoa, whoa, whoa... I wasn't making any snarks about Bush's intelligence. I was making an argument about hierarchy. My point was that conspiracy fantasists make it sound like the Administration - as defined by the White House, it's staff, and I suppose groups like the Cabinet, the various regulatory agencies, etc. - is a lot more monolithic and directly controlling of activities than it really is. The thought that the President and/or his staff would directly dictate, or even influence a report of a subagency of a department just strikes me as ridiculous, and more to the point, proves to me that conspiracy fantasists have no idea how large organizations work in the real world. When I asked if Bush ever even saw the report, I was making the point that too many fantasists have no clue what purpose the NIST reports actually served. So that's what my post meant, jaydeehess, Jonnyclueless, jhunter1163, et. al.: That the sloppily reasoned truther idea that Bush & Company dictated or slanted the report was weak logic, and absolutely ignorant of large, real-world organizations, or the raison d'etre of the very thing they attack (thus indicating that they're less questioning a "report" and more attacking a target through said report).

I was only half kidding. The way I get it on some truthers postings is pretty much exactly as I stated. In more conspiracy circles than we care to contemplate this is exactly how they see the world. As run, micro-managed even, by an all powerful oligarchy. Bush himself would only be a middle manager in such a heirarchy according to some.

And by the way, Hokulele, what in God's name IS that thing you're eating in your avatar?



ahhh, sausage. I remember sausages fondly. I'm told they are poison to me now though. Anyone know of a saltless sausage?

[ElMondoHummus]

The way I get it on some truthers postings is pretty much exactly as I stated. In more conspiracy circles than we care to contemplate this is exactly how they see the world. As run, micro-managed even, by an all powerful oligarchy. Bush himself would only be a middle manager in such a heirarchy according to some.



Oh, yes, you're completely correct. Bush, Cheney, the govenment... all of us here :D... anyone who's even just done consulting work with the government... or hell, even just "apologized" for them :eye-poppi... we're all just cogs in the NWO, and the real leadership is some faceless cabal only ever referred to as "Them", and occasionally "The Jews"... gotta remember that...


ahhh, sausage. I remember sausages fondly. I'm told they are poison to me now though. Anyone know of a saltless sausage?

Is such a thing physically or culinarily possible? I mean, I have this fear that if I tried to make such a thing, somewhere in the world some poor German or Italian chef's head would explode...

:eek::D

[Unsecured Coins]

this thread has gone entirely too long without any sexual innuendo.

Cajun sausage dicussion notwithstanding

[ElMondoHummus]

this thread has gone entirely too long without any sexual innuendo.

Cajun sausage dicussion notwithstanding

What? You're not turned on by the corndog reference?

[Unsecured Coins]

What? You're not turned on by the corndog reference?
i will not confirm nor deny this

[beachnut]

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