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~enigma~
12th February 2008, 02:43 PM
Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it :)

Unsecured Coins
12th February 2008, 02:45 PM
I do not accept your results because they were not in the form of a loaded question Zogby poll. You fail. Here's a copy of the home game, security, escort this man off the lot.


*taser*

SpitfireIX
12th February 2008, 02:52 PM
Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it :)



Wow. You only interviewed 56 people, and somehow you managed to get MaGZ in your sample. Talk about your one-in-a-million shots.

~enigma~
12th February 2008, 02:55 PM
Wow. You only interviewed 56 people, and somehow you managed to get MaGZ in your sample. Talk about your one-in-a-million shots.If MaGZ is in Baytown I'm moving...

beachnut
12th February 2008, 03:00 PM
Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it :)
12 out of 56! ouch

The fact the people can answer questions puts them above the normal range of CTers. But beware, you may not want to know who is into woo. I would never ask a bunch of people, I want to believe they are smarter than I.

I would stop fighting over polls, and figure out why 12 people are not able to understand JFK.

I want the number to be lower, but I am glad it is high enough for me to make the cutoff to be an Air Force pilot. I suspect some of the woo believers are not great competition for the jobs I want. Outstanding.

~enigma~
12th February 2008, 03:07 PM
Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?

beachnut
12th February 2008, 03:21 PM
Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?
If you had only come up with 2 people or 1, I would feel good saying Cisco's poll could be wrong; but 12~! ouch again.

I would buy Cisco a beer and forget polls; Cisco you can have a beer on me if you agree to think for yourself! deal?

CurtC, you want a beer too?

Stop asking people, it may scare you. lllooolllll

you are luck you asked enough! what if you only asked the woo guys! Do you believe in JFK woo stuff? I mean you could have had 90 plus percent woo!

OldTigerCub
12th February 2008, 03:28 PM
Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it :)
(bolding mine)

Did you give that lady an invite to JREF...? (or.... maybe she's already here! Only the "Shadowy" Warren Commission knows....muahhahahahaha!!!!:p )

Tweeter
12th February 2008, 03:31 PM
I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.

Unsecured Coins
12th February 2008, 03:33 PM
Like you've ever been there

cisco
12th February 2008, 03:46 PM
I would buy Cisco a beer and forget polls; Cisco you can have a beer on me if you agree to think for yourself! deal?

Thanks; I'd be honored.

Jonnyclueless
12th February 2008, 03:48 PM
I think people thinking JFK was a conspiracy though is a little more understandable than 9/11. Back done investigations were done by credible people who simply lacked the technology at the time. So it wasn't so much just crazies implying a conspiracy, it was legitimate people as well. And now that modern science has pretty much patched up every hole, it is no longer in the spot light. So I think it's understandable for many people to still only be familiar with information from long ago and not the current stuff.

I'm willing to bet there are more people in the general public that are familiar with the scientific audio research that determined there was a 4th shot than there are that know that research was found to be wrong.

Redtail
12th February 2008, 03:55 PM
I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.

I bet if you got 56 truthers in a room to discuss what to do next 52 would leave after they found out there wasn't any punch and pie.

Unsecured Coins
12th February 2008, 03:58 PM
I bet if you got 56 truthers in a room to discuss what to do next 52 would leave after they found out there wasn't any punch and pie.

you mean there isn't?


*door slam*

A W Smith
12th February 2008, 06:08 PM
I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.


There is no Dallas or Texas school book depository in Iran

Magenta
12th February 2008, 06:18 PM
I would stop fighting over polls, and figure out why 12 people are not able to understand JFK.


I never saw it, but didn’t Oliver Stone's film not exactly rule out a conspiracy?

Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?


Why jealousy? I don't know what prompted the argument over how many Americans believe the JFK conspiracy but there are people everywhere who believe stupid things. Maybe American woo is just more visible. With a population of over 300 million in the US, even a minority adds up to a lot of people with a sizeable presence on the internet and in popular culture.

~enigma~
12th February 2008, 06:23 PM
Why jealousy?
Please note the question mark.

BTW, I loved you in The Rocky Horror Picture Show :D

Magenta
12th February 2008, 06:47 PM
BTW, I loved you in The Rocky Horror Picture Show :D


Why, thank you! :p

stilicho
12th February 2008, 07:28 PM
Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition. The question I asked was do you believe JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald the way we were told or do you believe there is some type of government conspiracy. One guy (young guy - around 25) said No, the Jews did it (guess there is always an idiot in the bunch). 11 others said that they were not sure what really happened but they wouldn't write off a conspiracy. One older man said he didn't habe any opinion on the matter. The remaining 43 people were split where 20 said we were told what happened and the remaining 23 said they have no reason to believe any type of conspiracy. Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

BTW, one lady asked me why after 44 1/2 years I couldn't figure out Oswald did it :)
I'd be interested to see a full poll of which your question was included along with the following:

-- How many books did you read last month?

-- From what media do you get most of your news?

A well-structured poll, including other innocuous questions, could produce better results.

My hypothesis is that you would find a strong correlation between those who believe Oswald shot JFK and that he acted alone, that read more books, and who receive their news from newspapers and periodicals. The flipside is the hypothesis that those who believe in a conspiracy or are "unsure" read fewer books and receive most of their news from television or the internet.

Just a hypothesis but can be tested.

~enigma~
12th February 2008, 08:06 PM
I'd be interested to see a full poll of which your question was included along with the following:

-- How many books did you read last month?

-- From what media do you get most of your news?

A well-structured poll, including other innocuous questions, could produce better results.

My hypothesis is that you would find a strong correlation between those who believe Oswald shot JFK and that he acted alone, that read more books, and who receive their news from newspapers and periodicals. The flipside is the hypothesis that those who believe in a conspiracy or are "unsure" read fewer books and receive most of their news from television or the internet.

Just a hypothesis but can be tested.
I can tell you i saw some quite interesting tendencies during this short and impromptu poll. The answers were definitely linked to age and although apperances do not necessarily mean much they also seemd to fall along a nice neat "economic" line. Which by itself shows me that woo tends to gravitate toward youth and less wealth (and seemingly education).

Hyperviolet
12th February 2008, 08:26 PM
I've been looking into JFK CTs quite a bit lately. It's fascinating just how intricate some believe the plot to me.
One common claim, in particular, strikes me as pretty silly, yet, it's constantly used.

"Back and to the Left."
Suggesting that JFK was shot from the front (grassy knoll), causing his head to go *backwards and to the left.*

Now, I've seen many things refuting this (Penn and Teller explaining the jet effect, et cetera), however, surely the most obvious is this:

http://www.forteantimes.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_1/fortean_times_895_7.jpg

There isn't a bullet wound on his face.
As the (shot from the front) Back And To The Left theory implies.


Am I missing something?
It just seems a little too obvious....

CurtC
12th February 2008, 09:23 PM
CurtC, you want a beer too?
As I read these words, I had just taken a sip of beer (Red Hook ESB) and was in the process of swallowing it.

Dave Rogers
13th February 2008, 12:49 AM
Let's see...that mean's out of the impromptu poll of mine 12 out of 56 believed in JFK woo. Last time i checked that was 21%.

I'm glad to hear it. Have you ever done any analysis of the polls that gave a majority conspiracist opinion to see if the questions were biased towards that result?

Dave

Par
13th February 2008, 02:54 AM
I bet these same people couldnt pick Iran off a world map.


Perhaps you should find out by conducting a survey of your own. After all, “the truth is out there”, as you’re so fond of saying!

Par
13th February 2008, 03:07 AM
Well I was a bit generous with my saying 100 people and i actually only spoke to 56 this afternoon. This to me was more than enough to show me that the idea that the majority of Americans believe in JFK woo is a rediculous proposition...
Isn't majority over 51%? And why is it besides Cisco and CurtC that the insistence that the majority of American's are into woo (or stupid if you prefer) coming from outside the USA? A little jealousy perhaps?


So, standing outside one’s house and talking to fifty passers-by makes a survey which is both conclusive and – as a corollary – trumps all the other surveys adduced so far. Further, if you don’t agree, then you’re just jealous and probably foreign.

In short, we’re to prefer extremely poor data to (marginally) better data, to consider the appeal to motives fallacy a valid form or argument, and to manifest a faintly unpleasant and dogmatic nationalism.

(Disclaimer: I put faith in neither any of the surveys adduced nor necessarily believe that most Americans believe JFK conspiracy theories.)

chillzero
13th February 2008, 03:25 AM
I've been looking into JFK CTs quite a bit lately. It's fascinating just how intricate some believe the plot to me.
One common claim, in particular, strikes me as pretty silly, yet, it's constantly used.

"Back and to the Left."
Suggesting that JFK was shot from the front (grassy knoll), causing his head to go *backwards and to the left.*

Now, I've seen many things refuting this (Penn and Teller explaining the jet effect, et cetera), however, surely the most obvious is this:

http://www.forteantimes.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_1/fortean_times_895_7.jpg

There isn't a bullet wound on his face.
As the (shot from the front) Back And To The Left theory implies.


Am I missing something?
It just seems a little too obvious....


umm... maybe you could use an undisputed and confirmed image, if you want it to be used as any kind of evidence?

http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/conspiracycorner/341/jfk_and_the_autopsy_photos.html

The collection of autopsy pictures at www.jfklancer.com/aphotos.html (http://www.jfklancer.com/aphotos.html) shows JFK both with and without the forehead wound. Given that neither autopsy nor doctors reported it, the forehead wound pictures must be the fakes; and thus, so is the Zapruder fi lm, which shows the forehead wound occurring. But are the non-forehead wound pictures genuine? We can’t be sure. The technicians who photographed the autopsy say they are faked.

Hyperviolet
13th February 2008, 05:37 AM
umm... maybe you could use an undisputed and confirmed image, if you want it to be used as any kind of evidence?

http://www.forteantimes.com/strangedays/conspiracycorner/341/jfk_and_the_autopsy_photos.html

:dl:

Incredible woo.

Drudgewire
13th February 2008, 05:54 AM
Oh man, Fort Times. There's a blast from the past. :)

sackett
13th February 2008, 07:10 AM
As I read these words, I had just taken a sip of beer (Red Hook ESB) and was in the process of swallowing it.

And the JREFfers will call that just a great big coincidence!

I shot JFK.